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i'm a bit eh on VJ at 10mill a year or colston to big money without injury assurance.

I would have loved wallace, DJ, or bowe, but teams got stingy with letting their guys walk.

this may be a situation where no move is the best move, or more value guys (like gaffney). let hankerson play, take a flyer on r moss or plex for goal line scoring and short routes and GET A QB THAT CAN ACTUALLY PLAY!!

sorry.

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[quote=Ruhskins;892613]The only thing I'd be concern with Jackson is that we would be 1-strike away from having our #1 WR, #1 TE, and our starting LT out for a whole season. I wonder if whatever team that signs him will include some type of discipline clause.[/quote]

Yup. That's why I favor signing Garcon or Colston.

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I'm in favor of Colston as our first choice.

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[quote=Mattyk;892605]Jackson alone would turn things into a circus?[/quote]

Yep. A regular ol' Barnum and Bailey. Can you imagine it? V-Jax, FD, and TW rolling doobies in one corner of the locker room, the defensive players in another corner plotting bounties on their own offensive teammates (because the circus has twisted their sense of morality and right/wrong all upside down), all of the coaches tied up while FD teaches RG3 how to "speak bluntly."

In the meantime Dan Snyder sits up in his office laughing maniacally about how he's going to sign every big name free agent now that Mike S. is out of the way, and Bruce Allen hides under his desk wishing he were back in Tampa. The madhouse will prevail!

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[quote=mooby;892633]Yep. A regular ol' Barnum and Bailey. Can you imagine it? V-Jax, FD, and TW rolling doobies in one corner of the locker room, the defensive players in another corner plotting bounties on their own offensive teammates (because the circus has twisted their sense of morality and right/wrong all upside down), all of the coaches tied up while FD teaches RG3 how to set[I][B] his alarm clock[/B][/I].

In the meantime Dan Snyder sits up in his office laughing maniacally about how he's going to sign every big name free agent now that Mike S. is out of the way, and Bruce Allen hides under his desk wishing he were back in Tampa. The madhouse will prevail![/quote]


Fixed.

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i don't mind if we do not add any wr in fa

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[quote=los panda;892641]i don't mind if we do not add any wr in fa[/quote]

I do, this team needs a number 1 and if we aren't drafting Blackmon or Floyd in the 1st then I wan't a WR in FA

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[quote=Mattyk;892605]Jackson alone would turn things into a circus?[/quote]

No, but in my opinion, we're already a circus. The Haynesworth and McNabb stuff is still fresh in mind. We dont have a single offensive leader on this team and our two best offensive players are coming of drug suspensions. This doesnt mean they are circus clowns in the same category as someone like T.O., but it shows their lack of professionism, discipline, and dedication.

I feel our team is in a very precarious position. If we add another player who has demonstrated the same lack of professionalism, discipline, and dedication, without countering that with a solid PROVEN LEADER who demands instant respect, then i think theres a strong liklihood that bad things would happen.

It my opinion that we currently dont have enough professional, disciplined, and dedicated players on our roster. If we want to add another one to the mix, we need to compensate something we havent had in decades - a strong, talented, and proven leader at the QB position.

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IMO if we sign VJ that means we sign PM or a veteran FA starting QB.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;892680]IMO if we sign VJ that means we sign PM or a veteran FA starting QB.[/quote]

Peyton won't be here. He wants another ring for sure and doesn't have much time left to do it. He is/should go to Cheifs, Houston, or 49ers.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;892643]I do, this team needs a number 1 and if we aren't drafting Blackmon or Floyd in the 1st then I wan't a WR in FA[/quote]

Lots of receivers in this years draft look talented. I doubt we will give our second rounder away because I think they will use it on a WR. Trying to do what the Bengals did last year draft your starting QB and no 1 WR in the first two rounds.

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When was the last time VJ got into trouble for his drug use? And if he's a concern cause he might get caught again and be sidelined then we might as well get rid of TW and Davis too since they are on their last leg also. No sense in taking risks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;892490]I was not aware that dollar figures were already being discussed[/quote]

That's what I was told last night. Seemed like 50-55 was what they were going to offer.

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[quote=SkinItup;892690]Lots of receivers in this years draft look talented. I doubt we will give our second rounder away because I think they will use it on a WR. Trying to do what the Bengals did last year draft your starting QB and no 1 WR in the first two rounds.[/quote]

The Redskins have plenty of young WR's...what they don't have is a legitimate #1WR. They are not going to find a player they can safely project as a #1 WR in the 2nd round of the draft.

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[quote=DC Tailgate;892698]That's what I was told last night. Seemed like 50-55 was what they were going to offer.[/quote]

Yeah, I mean that's sort of the general expected dollar amount that's been around for him. Just didn't know the Redskins specifically had anything attached to him

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I think we'll sign Melvin Bullet..

I'm happy with Gomes but Bullet has started as SS for the past couple of years for Indy

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I would like to see Byron Westbrook at strong safety more. He's not a good cover corner, but he's good enough to barely not get beat. He could make an exceptional strong safety.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;892620]Part of the reason the Snyderatto strategy rarely worked is because they kept going after skill players without a QB. As long as the Redsins plan to get a quality QB then a big time receiver like VJax has a chance to work here in DC, otherwise it will be Brandon Lloyd all over again.[/quote]

Gaffney had over 900 yards with Bex at the helm. Vjax couldn't do any better than that? He only had 1100 yards with Rivers. Hell, Moss had 1500 yards with Brunell. Depends on what you mean by "work out". Rex to VJax probably wouldn't amount to many more wins, if any at all, but I don't think VJax would have any problems posting the same numbers. Rex can sling it around just fine. He just throws too many INTs. Lloyd is a bad example. He couldn't even get on the field.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;892783]I would like to see Byron Westbrook at strong safety more. He's not a good cover corner, but he's good enough to barely not get beat. He could make an exceptional strong safety.[/quote]

not sure how you can say he would be a good strong safety, especially in our D where the strong safety is required to make alot of tackles and be involved in run support. i havent seen anything in westbrook to think he is capable of that, i think we are going to regret letting laron go if we cant find a good replacement.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;892702]I think we'll sign Melvin Bullet..

I'm happy with Gomes but Bullet has started as SS for the past couple of years for Indy[/quote]

And done what? Bullett is average at best.

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[quote=SBXVII;892697]When was the last time VJ got into trouble for his drug use? And if he's a concern cause he might get caught again and be sidelined then we might as well get rid of TW and Davis too since they are on their last leg also. No sense in taking risks.[/quote]

His problem was DUIs not drugs if I remember correctly, and the last time he got into trouble was before the 2009 season's playoffs. DUS (driving under suspended license) that he received on his way to the Chargers last home playoff game.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;892869]not sure how you can say he would be a good strong safety, especially in our D where the strong safety is required to make alot of tackles and be involved in run support. i havent seen anything in westbrook to think he is capable of that, i think we are going to regret letting laron go if we cant find a good replacement.[/quote]

Westbrook is one of those defenders who is a decent tackler. If he's capable of lining up against a solid wideout, then he can play safety. As a matter of fact, safety is easier to play than corner back. If Rod Woodson can do it, then so can any other corner. I just feel Westbrook would make a better safety than he a corner.

I don't think the Redskins will miss Landry much. It's like the defense hasn't been without him much. The defense has been without Landry more than with him so the defense has survived. Reed Doughty, despite not being an Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Roy Williams, or even a Brian Dawkins, is good enough to play SS. But the Redskins do need to have Doughty play a more reserve role and if not sign someone, stick with Gomes or give Westbrook a shot at it.

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I went back a couple of pages to read what DC tailgate and Smoot were talking about.

That is a big deal for an aging WR. PM to VJ all day?

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Trading for an offensive tackle wouldn't be such a bad idea. Maurice Hurt should be given an opportunity to start at right tackle. I'd be really surprised if the Redskins retain Jamaal Brown.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;893127]Trading for an offensive tackle wouldn't be such a bad idea. Maurice Hurt should be given an opportunity to start at right tackle. I'd be really surprised if the Redskins retain Jamaal Brown.[/quote]

I rather have Willie Smith shift to RT, he proved last year he could play, he faced some of the best pass rushers and held his own.

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[quote=SBXVII;892697]When was the last time VJ got into trouble for his drug use? And if he's a concern cause he might get caught again and be sidelined then we might as well get rid of TW and Davis too since they are on their last leg also. No sense in taking risks.[/quote]

VJ had a suspension for 2 DUIs, not anything drug related.

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I'm not a fan of Jackson's history of disciplinary issues and holdouts.

I'd rather get Colston for sure, of IF we bring in Manning, Wayne also.

We'd have Wayne, Moss and Hankerson all from The U.

Honestly, we could use a solid #1 for whatever QB we roll with, but Moss, Hankerson, Armstrong, Gaffney, Banks, Paul, Austin and Aldrick Robinson are a great young FAST group of WRs with a couple of solid vets mixed in.

A good QB will make last year's WR group look solid.

However, adding a legit #1 to that group will make it very potent.

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[quote=NC_Skins;893141]VJ had a suspension for 2 DUIs, not anything drug related.[/quote]

Not sure that makes a difference when it comes to being on the cusp of a one year suspension

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driving drunk is much worse than driving high on the natural

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If Manning comes here, I wouldn't mind getting either Colston or Garcon. Preferably Garcon...although I wonder if we could get both Garcon and Wayne (the Coltskins baby!)

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[quote=Ruhskins;893243]If Manning comes here, I wouldn't mind getting either Colston or Garcon. Preferably Garcon...although I wonder if we could get both Garcon and Wayne (the Coltskins baby!)[/quote]

Yes we could get both

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[quote=SmootSmack;893204]Not sure that makes a difference when it comes to being on the cusp of a one year suspension[/quote]

Oh, I know. I was just correcting his assertion that drugs were the cause. No doubt it's a gamble.

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[quote=NC_Skins;893333]Oh, I know. I was just correcting his assertion that drugs were the cause. No doubt it's a gamble.[/quote]

Thank You. I knew it was either drugs or something I forgot it was DUI's.

In any event how long ago were they? and how long has he been a good little boy? If it's only been one season then yes there is some risk but if it was a few then one would think he has learned to atleast tow the line.

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Playoffs in 2010 (followed the 2009 regular season) was the last time he was in trouble. He got a DUS (driving under suspension) on his way to the Chargers last home playoff game. He was suspended for the first 8 games of 2010 regular season.

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Has there been any news or rumors regarding are own Free Agent's??

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Again another MUST READ skin fans (Peyton-wanters)

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17627956/history-shows-free-agency-to-be-more-of-a-crapshoot-than-a-cureall]History shows free agency to be more of a crapshoot than a cure-all - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;893425]Again another MUST READ skin fans (Peyton-wanters)

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17627956/history-shows-free-agency-to-be-more-of-a-crapshoot-than-a-cureall]History shows free agency to be more of a crapshoot than a cure-all - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice[/url][/quote]

This is a stupid article. People act as though Vinny Cerrato still runs the show and is going to sign Haynesworth again. The Iggles problems had more to do with misplaced resources (completely disregarded the o-line) than just bad FAs. The two options that the team seems to have carry big risks but could yield big rewards. I rather have these two options than having none at all (like last offseason).

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Haynesworth and Manning are polar opposites in just about every possible way.

I don't see any merit behind comparing the two.

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Weak article

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[quote=Ruhskins;893427]This is a stupid article. People act as though Vinny Cerrato still runs the show and is going to sign Haynesworth again. The Iggles problems had more to do with misplaced resources (completely disregarded the o-line) than just bad FAs. The two options that the team seems to have carry big risks but could yield big rewards. I rather have these two options than having none at all (like last offseason).[/quote]

And the thing is, until the Redskins truly show a consistent improvement - making the playoffs on a regular basis - the media and the sports world itself is going to continue stuck in the mindset that the Redskins are always the team to overspend on over the hill players. So, it's up to this coaching regime and the current players (and current players to be) to show everybody that the culture in Washington has truly changed.