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[quote=skinsfan69;891727]You honestly think Williams is going to be banned? If he is that's utterly ridiculous. 4 game suspension seems to be fair. I wouldn't expect anything to happen to us or Buffalo.[/quote]
I doubt you will see him in the NFL again. He'll get fired and disappear. Imagine the boos the Saints will get if hes on the sidelines on opening day. |
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[quote=Alvin Walton;891732]I doubt you will see him in the NFL again.
He'll get fired and disappear. Imagine the boos the Saints will get if hes on the sidelines on opening day.[/quote] He's the Defensive cordinater for the Rams( for now) |
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[quote=GMScud;891729]I think a 1 year ban is in order. With everything the NFL preaches these days about player safety, anything less than dropping the hammer on GW/Saints would be so hypocritical.[/quote]
Agreed, 1 year at the least. I think the NFL will look to make an example of him. Doesn't help that he straight up lied to the league either. |
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[quote=GMScud;891729]I think a 1 year ban is in order. With everything the NFL preaches these days about player safety, anything less than dropping the hammer on GW/Saints would be so hypocritical.[/quote]
Not to mention it would set the precedent for future cases and potential lawsuits if a player received a career ending or worse injury from one of these bounty actions. |
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This story has gone past informative and inspiring positive change to protect players in the NFL to: a BS sensationalistic story.
YES, Gregg Williams went over the line in trying to inspire his troops, waaaay over the line. Pay $ for taking out opposing players should never ever be tolerated. Trying to intentionally take out another player with an illegal dirty play is already not allowed. Fine him and suspend Williams and send a strong message going forward to everyone this will be dealt with severely. Done. However now we have these articles with Dungy and others floating theories on why Manning, Farve and other star players got hurt. We can not start investigations going back years 3, 5, 10 years. Let's nip this in the bud and move forward. Lay off the sensationalistic stories and quotes of possible disgruntled players or coaches running their mouth. Everyone has learned the lesson. Move on. A 8 to 16 game suspension and a big is fine. Let's not go over board with this, Williams was not the only person to ever do this. Let's not demonize him. |
Given that this is mostly GW's doing I would expect him to bear the brunt of the punishment. The Saints should only get punished if as an organization knew about it, which sounds like they did. It seems a bit pointless for the Skins and Bills to get punished, or at least get as harsh of a punishment as the Saints are likely to get.
Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G. |
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[quote=Giantone;891733]He's the Defensive cordinater for the Rams( for now)[/quote]
errrr...yea...I knew that. |
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The biggest problem I have with this whole story?
ESPN's choice of headline.... "Report: NFL to probe Redskins" ... ouch. Wait... Haven't they been doing that for years? |
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[quote=Defensewins;891742]This story has gone past informative and inspiring positive change to protect players in the NFL to: a BS sensationalistic story.
YES, Gregg Williams went over the line in trying to inspire his troops, waaaay over the line. Pay $ for taking out opposing players should never ever be tolerated. Trying to intentionally take out another player with an illegal dirty play is already not allowed. Fine him and suspend Williams and send a strong message going forward to everyone this will be dealt with severely. Done. However now we have these articles with Dungy and others floating theories on why Manning, Farve and other star players got hurt. We can not start investigations going back years 3, 5, 10 years. Let's nip this in the bud and move forward. Lay off the sensationalistic stories and quotes of possible disgruntled players or coaches running their mouth. Everyone has learned the lesson. Move on. A 8 to 16 game suspension and a big is fine. Let's not go over board with this, Williams was not the only person to ever do this. Let's not demonize him.[/quote] 100% agree. the cover up and refusal to quit is really the main issue, but like you state Williams is not the first. a variant of this behavior has been around since football began. But I agree with others, its time for it to stop. |
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Would think Sean Peyton and Loomis get some sort of suspension too. You can't deny it, then admit it but do nothing about it and not expect to get reprimanded
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[quote=skinsfan69;891727]You honestly think Williams is going to be banned? If he is that's utterly ridiculous. 4 game suspension seems to be fair. I wouldn't expect anything to happen to us or Buffalo.[/quote]
He's the sacrificial lamb. Was he the only one doing it? Highly doubtful. Will he be made an example of because he continued after he was told to stop? Yes. I think Scud is right, a minimum 1 year ban sounds about right. They are going to make an example out of him as a warning to any other coaches doing it. It doesn't matter whether you think it's right or wrong, what matters is he intentionally kept breaking a rule thinking there would be no consequences. |
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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;891739]Not to mention it would set the precedent for future cases and potential lawsuits if a player received a career ending or worse injury from one of these bounty actions.[/quote]
i think this will be the biggest factor in determining his punishment. with all the current law suits against the nfl and the many to come, i feel they have to make a stand and show they don't condone this in any way what so ever. |
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[quote=SmootSmack;891753]Would think Sean Peyton and Loomis get some sort of suspension too. You can't deny it, then admit it but do nothing about it and not expect to get reprimanded[/quote]
Agreed. But the future is what is really important. Making sure all coaches, staff, FO and [B][U]all players[/U][/B] are 100% clear on the rules and consequences related to this type behavior is more important than investigating acts that go back 3 to 50 years ago. We'll probably soon have ESPN or CNNSI quote a former team janitor say Vince Lombardi used to have a bounty system. Fix it and stop the finger pointing. I guess GWillims is the sacrificial example of what will happen. |
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[quote=Defensewins;891763]Agreed. But the future is [B]what is really important. Making sure all coaches, staff, FO and [U]all players[/U] are 100% clear on the rules[/B] and consequences related to this type behavior is more important than investigating acts that go back 3 to 50 years ago. We'll probably soon have ESPN or CNNSI quote a former team janitor say Vince Lombardi used to have a bounty system.
Fix it and stop the finger pointing. I guess GWillims is the sacrificial example of what will happen.[/quote] I think it's really more than just a case of not....really understanding that it isn't "Hoyle" to pony up cash bounties to inflict injury and possibly career ending cheap shots on the competition? That sort of "Really, when did that start" mentality is very......tired. If you're not bright enough to cease and desist after already being caught and warned, you deserve your ass Nailed to the Cross. You will see the rest of the league educate themselves real quick as to what the rules are and are not. From a tender age do football coaches teach "Go out and Kill someone"! Do they mean it, in fact? .....No |
Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
[quote=Defensewins;891742]This story has gone past informative and inspiring positive change to protect players in the NFL to: a BS sensationalistic story.
YES, Gregg Williams went over the line in trying to inspire his troops, waaaay over the line. Pay $ for taking out opposing players should never ever be tolerated. Trying to intentionally take out another player with an illegal dirty play is already not allowed. Fine him and suspend Williams and send a strong message going forward to everyone this will be dealt with severely. Done. However now we have these articles with Dungy and others floating theories on why Manning, Farve and other star players got hurt. We can not start investigations going back years 3, 5, 10 years. Let's nip this in the bud and move forward. Lay off the sensationalistic stories and quotes of possible disgruntled players or coaches running their mouth. Everyone has learned the lesson. Move on. A 8 to 16 game suspension and a big is fine. Let's not go over board with this, Williams was not the only person to ever do this. Let's not demonize him.[/quote] Well said. I'm in agreement. |
Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
[quote=Defensewins;891763]Agreed. But the future is what is really important. Making sure all coaches, staff, FO and [B][U]all players[/U][/B] are 100% clear on the rules and consequences related to this type behavior is more important than investigating acts that go back 3 to 50 years ago. We'll probably soon have ESPN or CNNSI quote a former team janitor say Vince Lombardi used to have a bounty system.
Fix it and stop the finger pointing. I guess GWillims is the sacrificial example of what will happen.[/quote] True, I think the investigation into the Redskins and other teams is more of a dog and pony show than anything else. The hammer will fall heavily on the Saints and Williams. Imagine though if Goodell suspends Sean Peyton for a year? Who takes over the Saints? |
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[quote=SmootSmack;891778]True, I think the investigation into the Redskins and other teams is more of a dog and pony show than anything else. The hammer will fall heavily on the Saints and Williams. Imagine though if Goodell suspends Sean Peyton for a year? Who takes over the Saints?[/quote]
I kinda expected an investigation to happen with the Redskins and any other team where Williams coached. It is a bit silly to think that the Redskins or the Bills would be held accountable for anything, unless there is some smoking gun that the ownership/FO knew about what was going on. Even still, as you said, the Saints and Williams will bear the brunt of any punishment. |
Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
[quote=SmootSmack;891778]True, I think the investigation into the Redskins and other teams is more of a dog and pony show than anything else. The hammer will fall heavily on the Saints and Williams. [B]Imagine though if Goodell suspends Sean Peyton for a year? Who takes over the Saints?[/B][/quote]
It will hurt no question, but the Saints are a veteran team and they will survive a short suspension. A long suspension of Sean Peyton will kill their season. The Saint players can put a bounty on Goodell when he is on the sideline. :silly: I wonder if Sean Peyton's knee injury on the sidelines last year was a bounty? Doh! Payback is a bitch. |
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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/04/greg-blache-disliked-and-discontinued-gregg-williams-bounty-program/]Greg Blache disliked and discontinued Gregg Williams’ bounty program | ProFootballTalk[/url]
It looks as if, and this is coming from Blache, Gibbs as well as a few ex players in Washington at the time, Williams was definitely the one spearheading the bounties, and that noone in this organization knowingly approved the acts. This has to be a good thing for the current organization if we are to get investigated, I doubt any serious penalties would be levied against us. |
Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
[quote=GMScud;891728]Did you bother to read my links about malicious intent? They were flat out trying to hurt guys. So you can disagree with the facts, that's fine.[/quote]
The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong. Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy. But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it. |
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[quote=alvin walton;891750]errrr...yea...i knew that.[/quote]
#201 |
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[quote=skinsfan69;891808]The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong.
Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. [B]Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy.[/B] But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it.[/quote] I am sure that there are some players out there that have the "intimidation" mentality. However, these bounties pretty much give incentives to players to hurt them to the point where it may jeopardize their career period. |
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[url=http://news.yahoo.com/bounty-scandal-could-end-u-courts-223629970--nfl.html]Analysis: "Pay for pain" scandal could end up in courts - Yahoo! News[/url]
Good story on some things that could end up happening. With the NFL trying to keep players healthy, and trying to reduce catastrophic injuries, look for them to take a very firm stance on this one guys. This one could very well end up in courts. In Short - Gregg Williams is toast. |
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[quote=Giantone;891819]#201[/quote]zing
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[quote=Ruhskins;891821]I am sure that there are some players out there that have the "intimidation" mentality. However, these bounties pretty much give incentives to players to hurt them to the point where it may jeopardize their career period.[/quote]
So do you think when Sean Taylor laid the wood on people was he trying to "jeopardize" a career? He was obviously part of this bounty program. You can go on You Tube now and look at all the hits Taylor laid out. What's your opinion on his hitting style? |
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But wasn't Sean Taylor like that in college too? so investigate the U then?
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I have an insider at Godells office and she said he told her only the Saints will recieve punishment. He said because anyone associated with the Redskins or Bills the last two decades have been punished enough.
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[quote=CrustyRedskin;891836]I have an insider at Godells office and she said he told her only the Saints will recieve punishment. He said because anyone associated with the Redskins or Bills the last two decades have been punished enough.[/quote]
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Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters
[quote=skinsfan69;891832]So do you think when Sean Taylor laid the wood on people was he trying to "jeopardize" a career? He was obviously part of this bounty program. You can go on You Tube now and look at all the hits Taylor laid out. What's your opinion on his hitting style?[/quote]
Look I can see there is no convincing you so I'm going to stop. I have my opinion, you have your own. It doesn't mean sh*t what we think, in the end this is in the hands of the NFL, the teams, the owners, and the players. Bottom line what happened is wrong, the NFL is changing, and we as fans have to deal with that. There are things from the "good ol' days" that are good and some are bad (like many things in life). In the end, this is "wrong enough" that Williams, the Saints, and players are going to lose money over it and have their careers affected by it. |
I think investigation with the redskins is to build a stronger case against williams. But who knows how much they can dig up, we could possibly face some fines.
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[quote=skinsfan69;891832]So do you think when Sean Taylor [B]laid the wood[/B] on people was he trying to "jeopardize" a career? He was obviously part of this bounty program. You can go on You Tube now and look at all the hits Taylor laid out. What's your opinion on his hitting style?[/quote]
Speaking of laying the wood, has anybody seen that Kate Upton Carls Jr commercial? whats the bounty on that? sweet baby jesus she's amazing |
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[quote=Chico23231;891844]Speaking of laying the wood, has anybody seen that Kate Upton Carls Jr commercial? whats the bounty on that? sweet baby jesus she's amazing[/quote]
And the "Dirty Sanchez" is drawing a mustache on her. |
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I wonder if the Rams were aware of all this when they hired Williams, because if not they have a legitimate axe to grind.
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[quote=skinsfan69;891808]The link I read quoted ONE guy who took out James Stewart on a LEGAL it. What's the big deal there? Stewart got hurt on a legal hit!!!! It happens every week in the NFL. It sucks that he got hurt but Wire did nothing wrong.
Let me ask you this. What in the world do you think Sean Taylor was trying to do on all those "kill" shots that he delivered in his career??? He wasn't just trying to bring the guy down. He's trying to hurt the opponent. Not hurt him where is career is in jepordy. But hurt him where he's trying to intimidate and inflict pain. That's football!!!!!!!! [B] What GW did was wrong. I just don't have a problem with it, nor do a lot of the players that I've heard comment on it[/B].[/quote] You're still just totally missing it. Yeah, Sean Taylor was a headhunter. It was his style long before he ever met GW. And I loved Sean. But he wasn't crushing guys just because GW told him to. He would have been out there doing that regardless of the coach, and the league would just be throwing flags and docking paychecks. Coaching up and managing hotheaded players is a basic job duty of NFL coaches. Telling players you're gonna give them extra cash to purposely look to get a guy carted off the field is on a totally different level, and contradicts so much of what's good about the game of football. As to your point in bold, GW is in the wrong, and you're cool with coaches breaking the rules. Gotcha. |
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[quote=Chico23231;891844]Speaking of laying the wood, has anybody seen that Kate Upton Carls Jr commercial? whats the bounty on that? sweet baby jesus she's amazing[/quote]they have carls jr in va?
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now they're whispering that carter/daniels did manning for a bounty. cool
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Wow! The only thing needed now, is for the Saints and B&G to make a huge Draft day trade!
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[quote=SmootSmack;891904]I wonder if the Rams were aware of all this when they hired Williams, because if not they have a legitimate axe to grind.[/quote]
I agree 100%. I also wonder if there's any chance the NFL would take away draft picks from the Skins and if so would it happen before the 2012 draft. |
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Skins are going to get at worst a fine.
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[quote=los panda;891915]they have carls jr in va?[/quote]
they're called Hardees |
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