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it is

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He's the former ruler of Iran.

He's the man who invented liquid breakfest pastries.

He's a famous female impersonator.

He's Vinny Cerrato's love child.

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and he helped doug brown reach his maximum height of 6'10"

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[quote=The Goat;906878]Feeling lazy...so who dat?[/quote]He filled in for Trent Williams when he got suspended. He was an undrafted rookie but wound up doing a decent job against some very tough pass rushers.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;906860]The fact of the matter is the Redskins gave the Saints a 3rd rounder for Brown. He has not stayed healthy for a full season since joining the Redskins. If Brown can't stay healthy, then we have to plug in someone else. Polumbus and Willie Smith have impressed. If the Redskins do draft a RT, and I believe we will, then that's more youth in the line-up. Brown is 31 years old and has been proven to not be able to stay healthy. Hell, we should have kept that 3rd round pick from 2010.[/quote]I read this week that Brown is trying something new to help his hip - yoga. [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/mar/29/jammal-brown-taking-yoga-classes-help-left-hip/]Jammal Brown taking yoga classes to help left hip - Washington Times[/url]

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[quote=Counter-Tre;906896]He filled in for Trent Williams when he got suspended. He was an undrafted rookie but wound up doing a decent job against some very tough pass rushers.[/quote]shar pourdanesh

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[quote=Counter-Tre;906897]I read this week that Brown is trying something new to help his hip - yoga. [url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/mar/29/jammal-brown-taking-yoga-classes-help-left-hip/]Jammal Brown taking yoga classes to help left hip - Washington Times[/url][/quote]

I read that article. I'm all for a healthy Jamaal Brown playing an entire season. But the question is, can he? That hip is probably never going to be fully healed for as long as he's playing football, but he's trying hard to overcome that injury. Yoga and Tai Chi would stabilize the injury and get it to the point where it's not easily aggravated. But if he's loses time in 2012 for this same hip injury, then what?

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Man, Shar even did an exclusive Q & A for the Warpath, and he still gets no love

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[quote=SmootSmack;906910]Man, Shar even did an exclusive Q & A for the Warpath, and he still gets no love[/quote]

Actually, I would not have known anything about him if it wasn't for that Q & A.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/37843/skins-draft-could-focus-on-offensive-line]Skins' draft could focus on offensive line - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;906959][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/37843/skins-draft-could-focus-on-offensive-line]Skins' draft could focus on offensive line - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

its like Granziano has been reading whats Chico's been writing.

I like how he sums it up in the 3rd paragraph: "The offensive line in front of Griffin or Luck will have to be even better than it was in 2011."

bingo

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[quote=Chico23231;906966]its like Granziano has been reading whats Chico's been writing.

I like how he sums it up in the 3rd paragraph: "The offensive line in front of Griffin or Luck will have to be even better than it was in 2011."

bingo[/quote]

That's a good way to put it yes sir.

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Redskins still want OL upgrade?
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Wednesday morning we explored what some of the OT-needy teams remaining in the NFL would do following the signing of Demetress Bell by the Philadelphia Eagles. One team mentioned was the Washington Redskins, who have a solid starter at LT in Trent Williams, but who could use upgrades at other spots (including RT, where Bell likely would've slotted in).

It's possible that Washington will explore some other veteran FA options, but they may make some OL additions in the draft as well. ESPN NFC East blogger Dan Graziano explored that topic on Thursday morning, and here's a snippet of his thoughts:

- Tim Kavanagh


Dan Graziano
After Griffin or Luck, OL could be next pick
"The offensive line in front of Griffin or Luck will have to be better than it was in 2011. The Redskins know this, and it's why they were looking at upgrades over Kory Lichtensteiger and Jammal Brown. They wouldn't mind finding a new center, moving Will Montgomery out to guard and deepening their personnel across the whole line -- maybe even giving Lichtensteiger and Brown a little more time to get whole. Best available offensive lineman, regardless of position, looks like the way for Washington to go in the third round, and maybe even with one of their fourth-round picks as well. The only other area I think they'll specifically target is the secondary, but they actually had some success there in free agency, so it's less of a priority than the line."

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Thanks for posting Dirtbag. I definitely appreciate it.

And I love Dan Graziano's work, but what is he talking about success in the secondary? Cedric Griffin might not even make the roster coming out of preseason. I'm not opposed to them bringing in one or two o-linemen with their mid round picks, but I would love to get some secondary help as well.

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[quote=mooby;907012]Thanks for posting Dirtbag. I definitely appreciate it.

And I love Dan Graziano's work, but what is he talking about success in the secondary? Cedric Griffin might not even make the roster coming out of preseason. I'm not opposed to them bringing in one or two o-linemen with their mid round picks, but I would love to get some secondary help as well.[/quote]

Who was the guy before Graziano that we all hated?

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[quote=Dirtbag59;907014]Who was the guy before Graziano that we all hated?[/quote]

Matt Mosley

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[quote=mooby;907012]Thanks for posting Dirtbag. I definitely appreciate it.

And I love Dan Graziano's work, but what is he talking about success in the secondary? Cedric Griffin might not even make the roster coming out of preseason. I'm not opposed to them bringing in one or two o-linemen with their mid round picks, but I would love to get some secondary help as well.[/quote]

Well, I think he means signings = success.

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[quote=SmootSmack;907015]Matt Mosley[/quote]

Ah Matt 'How bout them Cowboys' Mosley.

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[quote=SmootSmack;907015]Matt Mosley[/quote]

I was about to say Matt Millen lolol. Yeah it was Matt Mosley. I was actually suprised when I think it was you who told me Mosley was a Redskins fan.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;907018]Ah Matt 'How bout them Cowboys' Mosley.[/quote]

I remember when he left the ESPN NFC East column and the section was deserted for like several weeks. Dan = The MAN!

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[quote=mooby;907021]I was about to say Matt Millen lolol. Yeah it was Matt Mosley. I was actually suprised when I think it was you who told me Mosley was a Redskins fan.[/quote]

He said he grew up one. Don't know if he stayed one. He seemed pretty happy to leave though from what I had heard. Guess things weren't going quite the way he had hoped. He's doing well for Fox though

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[quote=SmootSmack;907025]He said he grew up one. Don't know if he stayed one. He seemed pretty happy to leave though from what I had heard. Guess things weren't going quite the way he had hoped. He's doing well for Fox though[/quote]

Good for him, I'm glad he's found something better. I wasn't a big fan of his on the NFCE blog over there, I too felt like he gave preferential coverage to the Cowboys more often than not, and the stuff he wrote about the Redskins was mostly negative. I think Graziano is doing a better job providing fair coverage to all four teams and I think he (to steal a phrase from Zorny) "stays medium" in regards to what he writes.

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[quote=mooby;907026]Good for him, I'm glad he's found something better. I wasn't a big fan of his on the NFCE blog over there, I too felt like he gave preferential coverage to the Cowboys more often than not, and the stuff he wrote about the Redskins was mostly negative. I think Graziano is doing a better job providing fair coverage to all four teams and I think he (to steal a phrase from Zorny) "stays medium" in regards to what he writes.[/quote]

I find it amazing to see the largest contingent of fans on ESPN NCF East is always the Redskins. Someone made a comment on Graziano's Tuesday chat forum about that and he confirmed that the Redskins fan base (whether we win or not) is always the most rabid. Kinda cool.

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Skins looking at CB. Thought I'd post for those interested in who the Skins are looking at.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/Redskins-work-out-WVU-CB-Keith-Tandy?blockID=683690&feedID=6355]Redskins work out WVU CB Keith Tandy[/url]

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Are they converting him to OL?

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Anyone still interested in Claiborne?

[URL="http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/redskins-talk/lsus-claiborne-amazing-wonderlic-score-a?blockID=682260&feedID=6355"]LSU's Claiborne amazing Wonderlic score (and not in the good way)[/URL]

Sorry for those who can't read it....

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Seemingly every year during the lead up to the NFL Draft, a train wreck of a story pops up about a notable prospect posting a train wreck of a Wonderlic test score. This year is no exception.
[URL="javascript:void(window.open('http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/03/claiborne-gives-birth-to-a-four-on-the-wonderlic/'));"][COLOR=#0000ff]Pro Football Talk[/COLOR][/URL] posted some details about the carnage resulting from the test taken by LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, a likely top 10 pick and at one point in the mix for the Redskins at six before the trade with the Rams...[INDENT]"The NFL has kept the Wonderlic results under tighter wraps than usual this year. Or maybe the media has had enough other things to keep itself occupied.
"Regardless, the first eye-opening score has leaked from the 2012 edition of the 50-question Wonderlic test. Per multiple league sources, LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne scored a four.
"Yes. A four. Out of 50."
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He scored a 4. Yes apparently he scored a four.

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[quote=SmootSmack;907090]Are they converting him to OL?[/quote]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, your funny. Whooooo. Oh my god, my stomach is killing me.

No not converting to OL. Maybe they think he might be around late in the draft in order for them to pick him up. AAAAAHHHHH didn't think of that did you. Glad I could point that out for you. :tongue

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Is this for real?

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;907091]Anyone still interested in Claiborne?



LSU's Claiborne amazing Wonderlic score (and not in the good way)



Sorry for those who can't read it....







He scored a 4. Yes apparently he scored a four.[/QUOTE]



Yes, because the wonderlic doesn't mean shit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;907093]Is this for real?[/quote]

:laughing2

laugh to keep from crying

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;907095]Yes, because the wonderlic doesn't mean shit.[/quote]

Yup, I remember Vince Young scored a 6 and retook it and got a 16 and STILL got taken what 3rd overrall?

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[quote=gangstalicious;907098]Yup, I remember Vince Young scored a 6 and retook it and got a 16 and STILL got taken what 3rd overrall?[/quote]

and it's worked out sooo well for him. marino scored a 16 and ended up in the HoF while alex smith got a 49 i think and still kinda sucks, so as far as proving football merits, i'd say it's tangential at best.

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So anyway back to the OL, the 3rd round is definitely a nice spot to be looking for a RT to develop.

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[quote=Mattyk;907136]So anyway back to the OL, the 3rd round is definitely a nice spot to be looking for a RT to develop.[/quote]Knowing we don't have the second round pick makes me think we could really use about 6 different players at that third round pick.

Maybe the NFL will just let us have them all?

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So many vet linemen released that we could find a couple good fits if we really wanted to go the FA route for O line needs. I am not totally down on our line per say, but I don't think that it is all that solid. Trent gets nicked up a lot, and is going to get worse as time goes on. It is simple aging that will hurt him, like Tre Johnson, etc. Linemen really don't last all that long anymore since they are so enormous and their bodies really aren't geared for that or that type of abuse.

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[quote=GTripp0012;907139]Knowing we don't have the second round pick makes me think we could really use about 6 different players at that third round pick.

Maybe the NFL will just let us have them all?[/quote]

That lost second round pick means simply our efforts at rebuilding with the draft apart from RG III is going to be limited.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;907140]So many vet linemen released that we could find a couple good fits if we really wanted to go the FA route for O line needs. I am not totally down on our line per say, but I don't think that it is all that solid. Trent gets nicked up a lot, and is going to get worse as time goes on. It is simple aging that will hurt him, like Tre Johnson, etc. Linemen really don't last all that long anymore since they are so enormous and their bodies really aren't geared for that or that type of abuse.[/quote]

you do realize TW is 23 right

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;907141]That lost second round pick means simply our efforts at rebuilding with the draft apart from RG III is going to be limited.[/QUOTE]



Now that is just stupid. One 2nd round pick isn't gonna make or break anything.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;907145]Now that is just stupid. One 2nd round pick isn't gonna make or break anything.[/quote]It means a lot for the 2012 season. I mean, whose the worst player we've taken in the second round in recent times? Jacobs? Thomas? Trading the pick is like adding that guy to the current mix because you know you can't get anything on it.

In the grand scheme of things, when we're talking about RG3 in 2016 or 2017 and how good he'll be, I don't think it matters very much. But for the Shanahan era its a big deal.

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2nd Round Picks:
1999: Jon Jansen
2001: Fred Smoot
2002: Ladell Betts
2003: Taylor Jacobs
2006: Rocky McIntosh
2008: Fred Davis, Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas
2011: Jarvis Jenkins

I would trade that entire list for an elite QB. On that list, who was a major contributor in years one and two? Davis? Jansen? Smoot?

Yes, the loss of the 2nd rounder hinders us. Okay. It's the old, you don't make an omellete without breaking some eggs.

In the same vein as the NFL letting us pick 6 guys with our 3rd rounder - Maybe we should have just asked them to give us a franchise QB of our choosing at no cost and then we would still have the 2nd round pick.

You take the good with the bad. If RGIII turns out to be a phenom, missing on getting a Jansen or a Davis will be forgotten. If he struggles as a rookie, the 2nd round player probably wasn't going to equate to more wins anyway. And, God forbid, RGIII is a bust - well, we are just up the sh**iest creek in the world without a paddle or a canoe.