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[quote=T.O.Killa;897874]Eric Wright and although no one has mentioned it, I think they are dealing with Reggie Nelson. Also, [B]our CB Barnes will be moving to saftey.[/B][/quote]

where did you hear the bolded part??

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[quote=skinsfan69;897873]Can someone explain to me this teams obsession with WR's? I assume that they don't care to try and see what the guys they drafted can do. Hope this works out but I'm very skeptical. Garcon is kind of an average wr, maybe a little above average. I have no idea what they see in Royal or Morgan.[/quote]

Guess you forgot about last year already.

Outside of Gaffney who is mostly a possession guy, we had nobody that could stretch the field or make plays after the catch.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;897880]where did you hear the bolded part??[/quote]
Its just a guess

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all the old faces in our wr group will be gone only hank will stay

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897841]Did some quick calculations on the recent signings. Here are the cap hits I've come up with so far given the info out there (000s):

Carriker
2012: $2,750
2013: $4,750
2014: $5,750
2015: $6,750
TOTAL: $20,000

Garcon
2012: $7,300
2013: $7,300
2014: $8,300
2015: $9,300
2016: $10,300
TOTAL: $42,500

Morgan
2012: $2,200
2013: $2,300
2014: $2,500
2015: $2,500
2016: $2,500
TOTAL: $12,000[/quote]

But, but, but, free agency was taken from us! This can't be!

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If Moss gets cut after June 1 doesn't that save the Skins over $3 million? I thought his deadcap number significantly drops after June 1.

I think DHall saves us over $6 million when cut after June 1.

I would let those two guys go and use their projected savings towards Fletcher.

I also heard something about the Skins being interested in John Carlson? If true, that might not bode well for Cooley. Although perhaps Cooley could be moved to backup FB in the spot just vacated by the Mike Sellers release...

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[quote=Mattyk;897886]But, but, but, free agency was taken from us! This can't be![/quote]

Lol... I love how this $36M cap charge has been the talk of the town, yet the Skins come out firing on all cylinders.

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[quote=NYCSkin;897887]If Moss gets cut after June 1 doesn't that save the Skins over $3 million? I thought his deadcap number significantly drops after June 1.

I think DHall saves us over $6 million when cut after June 1.

I would let those two guys go and use their projected savings towards Fletcher.

I also heard something about the Skins being interested in John Carlson? If true, that might not bode well for Cooley. Although perhaps Cooley could be moved to backup FB in the spot just vacated by the Mike Sellers release...[/quote]

Why we already have a very good fullback on the roster

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I wonder what's going on with talks with London Fletcher.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897890]Lol... I love how this $36M cap charge has been the talk of the town, yet the Skins come out firing on all cylinders.[/quote]

There's only one thing left to do: troll the league by storm by having a season in which we make it to least the divisional round, and preferably the championship round.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897890]Lol... I love how this $36M cap charge has been the talk of the town, yet the Skins come out firing on all cylinders.[/quote]

It'd be nice to get an idea of what the hell is going on. The NFL has only alluded to it.

Still it'll be fun to see the commish announce the Skins and Cowboy picks come April 26. Redskin and Cowboy fans booing together. Should be quite a sight.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;897897]It'd be nice to get an idea of what the hell is going on. The NFL has only alluded to it.

Still it'll be fun to see the commish announce the Skins and Cowboy picks come April 26. Redskin and Cowboy fans booing together. Should be quite a sight.[/quote]

Might be the only time you see Skins fans and Cowboys fans come together on anything NFL related.

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[quote=NYCSkin;897887]If Moss gets cut after June 1 doesn't that save the Skins over $3 million? I thought his deadcap number significantly drops after June 1.

I think DHall saves us over $6 million when cut after June 1.[/quote]

- Moss' deadcap hits would be $4M in 2012, or after June 1st $2M in 2012 and $2M in 2013.

- DHall saves us $6M no matter when we cut him. His deadcap hits are negligible.

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You da man Canuck.

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[quote=skinsfan69;897873]Can someone explain to me this teams obsession with WR's? I assume that they don't care to try and see what the guys they drafted can do. Hope this works out but I'm very skeptical. Garcon is kind of an average wr, maybe a little above average. I have no idea what they see in Royal or Morgan.[/quote]



Can you be any more pessimistic? Every time i read one of your post you are bitching about something..

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897900]- Moss' deadcap hits would be $4M in 2012, or after June 1st $2M in 2012 and $2M in 2013.

- DHall saves us $6M no matter when we cut him. His deadcap hits are negligible.[/quote]

Thank you Canuck...

Gotta cut Hall now then. No way is he worth $6M. Never could tackle ("That's why my brother cut your ass"-R.Ryan) and could barely cover last year (certainly not Dez Bryant).

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[quote=SkinzWin;897877]Aren't you always skeptical? At least you're consistent. Maybe shanny thinks these guys skill sets mesh well with our offensive scheme and RG3. Eddie Royal has a connection with Shanny in Denver. Morgan and Garcon both young and fast. Be happy we aren't settling for the status quo. Or don't, your choice... ;)[/quote]

I'd be 100% on board if this way worked, but it never does. I don't see any of the winning organizations doing this every year. I understand Royal has the connection but he really is just another ho hum wr. I'd just rather see if Paul & Hank can progress since we drafed them and they have a year under the offense. It's the constant falling in love w/ other teams players.

As for Garcon... Doesn't Luck need wr's just as much as RG3? So why'd Indy just let him walk? Yeah...that makes me skeptical.

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hall could make a good ball hawking free safety i believe. he has great ball skills and hands, his man to man coverage is what stinks. lavar and dukes tossed the idea around. we definitely need help at safety, and we could bring in corner help in FA

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[QUOTE]When free agency begins, big-name players will fly off the market, but you should also expect some lesser-known guys to go quickly -- and become very wealthy in their own right. For example, wide receiver Josh Morgan is a hot name right now. He is hot because he will cost less than some of the more recognizable wideouts, like Vincent Jackson and Marques Colston, yet might play as well. Morgan has the potential to become a star if he goes to the right team and can stay healthy. He only started five games last year for the San Francisco 49ers before a broken leg put him on injured reserve for the rest of the season. Yet his talent is undeniable and teams will pay well for his services. He will be off the market before Sunday.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82789abc/article/understanding-ebb-and-flow-of-frenzied-freeagent-period]NFL.com news: Understanding ebb and flow of frenzied free-agent period[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;897908]I'd be 100% on board if this way worked, but it never does. I don't see any of the winning organizations doing this every year. I understand Royal has the connection but he really is just another ho hum wr. [B]I'd just rather see if Paul & Hank[/B] can progress since we drafed them and they have a year under the offense. It's the constant falling in love w/ other teams players.

As for Garcon... Doesn't Luck need wr's just as much as RG3? [B]So why'd Indy just let him walk? Yeah...that makes me skeptical.[/B][/quote]

1) Hank will still be around and maybe Paul.

2) Indy offered Garcon $7 mil a year and he turned them down. They hardly "just let him walk."

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yea i think safety and RT are our main needs now, for safety i like reggie nelson or dwight lowrey

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[quote=skinsfan69;897908]I'd be 100% on board if this way worked, but it never does. I don't see any of the winning organizations doing this every year. I understand Royal has the connection but he really is just another ho hum wr. I'd just rather see if Paul & Hank can progress since we drafed them and they have a year under the offense. It's the constant falling in love w/ other teams players.

As for Garcon... Doesn't Luck need wr's just as much as RG3?[B] So why'd Indy just let him walk?[/B] Yeah...that makes me skeptical.[/quote]

Indy didn't let him walk, they offered him a contract 5yr 35mil don't know how much was guaranted and he said NO. PG knows there rebuilding and probably wanted out IMO.

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[quote=Lotus;897914]1) Hank will still be around and maybe Paul.

2) [B]Indy offered Garcon $7 mil a year and he turned them down. They hardly "just let him walk."[/quote][/B]

OK...wasn't aware of that.

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a point someone made earlier is still sticking with me.

Marques Colston signed a smaller deal to stay in New Orleans, and was considered the best or second best WR on the market. Pierre was the third best and got a bigger offer. Thats either bad negotiating by us or Marques knows he's not that good without brees. somethings off here..

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897900]- Moss' deadcap hits would be $4M in 2012, or after June 1st $2M in 2012 and $2M in 2013.

- DHall saves us $6M no matter when we cut him. His deadcap hits are negligible.[/quote]

In the past teams could cut one player right now and designate him as June 1 cut but get the savings you mentioned right now? Is that correct?

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897841]Did some quick calculations on the recent signings. Here are the cap hits I've come up with so far given the info out there (000s):

Carriker
2012: $2,750
2013: $4,750
2014: $5,750
2015: $6,750
TOTAL: $20,000

Garcon
2012: $7,300
2013: $7,300
2014: $8,300
2015: $9,300
2016: $10,300
TOTAL: $42,500

Morgan
2012: $2,200
2013: $2,300
2014: $2,500
2015: $2,500
2016: $2,500
TOTAL: $12,000[/quote]

Garcon's getting 13.5 in year one, 7.25 in year two, and 7.25 in year 3...unconfirmed

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;897915]yea i think safety and RT are our main needs now, for safety i like reggie nelson or dwight lowrey[/quote]

Dwights the real deal. Don't think we have interest in him..

I heard we have interest in Jim Leonard.

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i dont minde cutting hall but if we do who in gods name is our starting corner along with wilson? i would love carr but i dont think we have enough money

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[quote=SmootSmack;897920]Garcon's getting 13.5 in year one, 7.25 in year two, and 7.25 in year 3...unconfirmed[/quote]

How is that possible with our cap reduction? Are we just saying '**** it, we'll do what we want' to Goodell?

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;897922]i dont minde cutting hall but if we do who in gods name is our starting corner along with wilson? i would love carr but i dont think we have enough money[/quote]

Talking to CB Eric Wright

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[quote=CultBrennan59;897918]a point someone made earlier is still sticking with me.

Marques Colston signed a smaller deal to stay in New Orleans, and was considered the best or second best WR on the market. Pierre was the third best and got a bigger offer. Thats either bad negotiating by us or Marques knows he's not that good without brees. somethings off here..[/quote]

a) not everyone considered Garcon as third best
b) Colston took the "home-town" discount. Garcon preferred market competition and uprooting his family
c) although Garcon got more, the two deals are pretty similar

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I'm also someone puzzled with the signing of these 3 receivers. None are that special and just more of what they usually get at WR... small receivers who can't break away from the defensive backs covering them. At least all 3 of these guys are young. But where is the 6-3, 220 WR that can be the go-to person when you need a first down... maybe Hankerson if he stops dropping passes.

I sure hope to hear of some great OL and DL FA picks here pretty soon... fingers crossed.

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[quote=Lotus;897925]a) not everyone considered Garcon as third best
b) Colston took the "home-town" discount. Garcon preferred market competition and uprooting his family
c) although Garcon got more, the two deals are pretty similar[/quote]

Also skins had to beat Indys offer. Colston had no other offer to beat.

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[quote=mbedner3420;897923]How is that possible with our cap reduction? [B]Are we just saying '**** it, we'll do what we want' to Goodell?[/B][/quote]

Yes I believe we are, although it's directed more towards owners than it is Goodell. And I personally support this strategy.

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So is Eddie Royal done?

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;897865]Ya seems like overkill. Doesn't bode well for my boy Santana.

My guess is they cut Gaffney soon, Moss after June 1st, or both.[/quote]Man, I hope not.
Seems like they got quantity more then quality.
There are only a finite number of targets.
But, we have far more WRs then possible targets or catch opportunities.

The funny thing (or not so funny if they cut Gaffney and/or Moss) is that using advanced metrics from Football Outsiders Gaffney was ranked higher in DYAR/DVOA then Garcon whose DYAR/DVOA were equal to Tana playing through a broken hand.

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Who are we looking at for the DEFENSE?

Right now I see our draft looking like Defense, a RB, an OL player, and of course Mr. RGIII.

Now I am excited about the RGIII deal!

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[quote=30gut;897930]Man, I hope not.
Seems like they got quantity more then quality.
There are only a finite number of targets.
But, we have far more WRs then possible targets or catch opportunities.

[B]The funny thing (or not so funny if they cut Gaffney and/or Moss) is that using advanced metrics from Football Outsiders Gaffney was ranked higher in DYAR/DVOA then Garcon whose DYAR/DVOA were equal to Tana playing through a broken hand.[/B][/quote]

One could argue that Gaffney and Moss have their best football behind them while Garcon likely has his best yet to come.

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Anyone notice that we gave Garcon more than Colston got? Or that Josh Morgan is getting 6 mil a year? Any news on how much Royal is getting? Shit I wish we got Winston instead of Morgan...

Has the draft pick trade with the Rams been approved yet.


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