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Ok gotcha

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[quote=GoSkins!;901881]I understand your arguments. However, it looks to me like the NFL owners probably have consulted their lawyers and realize they are on shaky ground. .[/quote]


???,how do you come up with this?There has been no mention anywhere of anything of this nature ,none.

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[quote=mbedner3420;902717]Why would any one of the 28 teams not penalized go along with this? Owners: 'OK Bruce, you can have the money back, we'll forfeit the $2million you essentially just gave us and the higher cap ceiling we enjoyed as a result of your penalty.'

I don't see that happening...[/quote]


Agreed, the NFL will get something .You want the cap space back...sure ,you lose your first pick of this years draft........,take your time and think about it.

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[quote=Giantone;902761]Agreed, the NFL will get something .You want the cap space back...sure ,you lose your first pick of this years draft........,take your time and think about it.[/quote]

:confused:

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What happens next year if when the money is divided up between the owners and players and the salary cap is still below what it currently is. This year if Goodell didn't give the NFLPA a cap bribe the cap would have been around $116M . Now it is $120.6M, is it going to go up another $1.6M for other teams next year. or is there a chance of it going down because the NFL no longer needs to make the NFLPA drop more charges.If the 4 teams that got shafted this year get shafted next year that would suck.

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I think this thing is going to start getting interesting pretty soon....

Oh by the way Giantone... no collusion? apparently the players see it as collusion also.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_nfl_collusion_union_redskins_cowboys_032212]Sources: NFL players' union strong-armed into 'collusion', led to penalties for Cowboys, Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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I call bogus. Huge Redskin fan, big names all in attendance and he's watching womens basketball? Tis a lie!
[QUOTE][B]So I mind my own business sitting at the bar watching the Baylor women playing on the TV.[/B] I overhear some of his conversation. I believe he was talking to DeMaurice Smith of the NFLPA. He was complaining about the league's salary cap penalties. I wish I could give out more specific details but I couldn't follow enough.[/QUOTE]

If Bruce Allen wasn't doing football he'd be at some Fortune 500 company as the CMO.
[QUOTE]Eventually he hangs up and he instantly engages me... He said "what are you doing wearing that hat?" I mention it is because of my love for the Redskins at which point he stands up and shakes my hand. He asked me how long I have been a Redskins fan and where I was from. I told him I was too young when his dad coached the team and that I became a fan during Gibbs 1 era.. Some of the highlights.....I asked him about the salary cap fiasco and he told me in no uncertain terms they are going to fight it and so are the Cowboys.
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Dirtbag, thanks to booze, I've seen more soccer on TV at bars than I care to admit. Was he there for the basketball or the booze and just HAPPENED to see a sport on TV?

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[QUOTE]As the NFLPA’s annual meeting of player representatives takes place this week in Marco Island, Fla., followed by the NFL owners meetings in Palm Beach, Fla., next week, one issue both sides must address is what appears to be an obvious case of collusion on the part of the league.
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[QUOTE]In essence, the NFLPA had to weigh the option of keeping the salary cap high for now against the idea of accepting collusion.


NFL spokesman Greg Aiello and NFLPA spokesman George Atallah both declined to discuss the matter. However, sources on both sides say the union agreed to the penalties because it had little choice.
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[QUOTE]“What the league is doing is collusion, plain and simple.”
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[QUOTE]This goes against everything that we negotiated for in [the past]” a player said, referring to the previous CBA and subsequent extensions. “The owners were supposed to live with the realities of the uncapped season. That was supposed to make them afraid to go uncapped. Now, they’re telling the big spenders, ‘You were really bad boys, we’re going to punish you.’ What the [expletive]? What kind of fear are they going to have in the future?”


The best analogy: If you were trying to sell something at auction and were told just before the sale that the top two spenders in the room had been barred from bidding, you might be pretty upset.
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[QUOTE]Furthermore, sources questioned why teams that didn’t spend weren’t penalized by the league.

Couldn’t you argue that teams that saved all this money by not spending are helping themselves out artificially by saving room to spend later?” the agent said. “The only teams being punished are the big spenders and that’s because the league wants to hold down salaries.”

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[QUOTE]The Redskins did nothing wrong. All they did was spend money,” the union source said.
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[QUOTE]“But nobody is really getting an explanation on this stuff. You have collusion going on over here and they’re manipulating the salary cap over there. There’s a bunch of stuff going on and you don’t know if it’s good negotiating or if people trying to cover their butts. All I know is, the precedent really bothers me.”
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I hope the NFLPA decides to do something after all. Might atleast make Smith look bad and put the League on notice.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;902813]Dirtbag, thanks to booze, I've seen more soccer on TV at bars than I care to admit. Was he there for the basketball or the booze and just HAPPENED to see a sport on TV?[/quote]

Nah, I was just messing around with the bogus declaration. Though I am highly suspect of a lifelong Redskin fan paying attention to a womens basketball game when the Owner, Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, GM, and franchise QB are just a couple feet away. Thats like going to a strip club to watch the local news. :D

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[quote=Dirtbag59;902817]Thats like going to a strip club to watch the local news. :D[/quote]

you mean that's not normal?


oh dear...

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[quote=Dirtbag59;902817]Nah, I was just messing around with the bogus declaration. Though I am highly suspect of a lifelong Redskin fan paying attention to a womens basketball game when the Owner, Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, GM, and franchise QB are just a couple feet away. Thats like going to a strip club to watch the local news. :D[/quote]

Hey Brittney Griner could post up most men! Wait, forget I just said that...

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[quote=Giantone;902761]Agreed, the NFL will get something .You want the cap space back...sure ,you lose your first pick of this years draft........,take your time and think about it.[/quote]

Clearly wants to get a reaction out of us.. Let's just ignore him in hopes he will leave.

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[quote=Giantone;902761]Agreed, the NFL will get something .You want the cap space back...sure ,you lose your first pick of this years draft........,take your time and think about it.[/quote]

If Goodell tried to take away our 1st rounder this year, he wouldn't have to worry about Danny coming after him, he'd have Redskins nation after his ass. Knowing how stupid some fans are, wouldn't be surprised if he got shot.

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[quote=Giantone;902761]Agreed, the NFL will get something .You want the cap space back...sure ,you lose your first pick of this years draft........,take your time and think about it.[/quote]

Sure, after your team agrees to forfeit the Super Bowl win for cheating all season:



[IMG]http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/GiantsFlop.gif[/IMG]


Without that win, no playoffs, no Super Bowl.

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You have no proof!

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My favorite part was when #57 Williams saw his teammate faking at the same time, so he just got up like nothing happened.

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[quote=Monkeydad;902940]Sure, after your team agrees to forfeit the Super Bowl win for cheating all season:



[IMG]http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/GiantsFlop.gif[/IMG]


Without that win, no playoffs, no Super Bowl.[/quote]

91 and 59 just walk over their teamates. lol. They should have been penalized for delay of game. If nothing else for #57 since he got back up. Both should have had to sit out one play as well.

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Geesh could you imagine if the Skins would have got caught doing that, Godell would have ordered castration.

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[quote=Mattyk;902941]You have no proof!

:Smoker:[/quote]


maybe ......and maybe not

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[quote=Monkeydad;902940]Sure, after your team agrees to forfeit the Super Bowl win for cheating all season:



[IMG]http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/GiantsFlop.gif[/IMG]


Without that win, no playoffs, no Super Bowl.[/quote]



LOL.....let it go Jr,want some cheese with your whine?

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Giantone I dont post all that much but I used to enjoy reading your posts here and get the perspective of a giants fan, however recently your posts have become trollish.

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cheaters

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Probably posted already, but I don't feel like going through all the posts.

Sort of feels 'dirty' to me that I am ok with being on the same side as the 'boys on this one, but in this case we must.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/18003061/jerry-jones-says-cowboys-plan-to-fight-nfls-salarycap-sanctions]Jerry Jones says Cowboys plan to fight NFL's salary-cap sanctions - CBSSports[/url]

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I just don't see why any fan of another team would post on here???? I mean I like talking to other people about the skins, but I don't get on cowboys messaging boards. I have more of a life than that, honestly dude you need a gf, even if you make solid contributions I find it very weird, do you have accounts on all the NFC east boards?

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Is this referring to the year we gave Haynesworth and Mcnabb the giant contracts? No matter the year, you can blame the front office. We all know Snyder's coworkers probably don't fall too far from the tree.

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[quote=jwmann2;903288]Is this referring to the year we gave Haynesworth and Mcnabb the giant contracts? No matter the year, you can blame the front office. We all know Snyder's coworkers probably don't fall too far from the tree.[/quote]


No, you're way behind my friend. Has nothing to do with McNabb at all. It has to do with the Cowboys and Redskins spending a lot of money during the uncapped year and getting punished for it.

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[quote=jwmann2;903288]Is this referring to the year we gave Haynesworth and Mcnabb the giant contracts? No matter the year, you can blame the front office. We all know Snyder's coworkers probably don't fall too far from the tree.[/quote]

It's from when we restructured Haynesworth and re-signed Hall to frontloaded contracts.

Re: Redskins, Cowboys could go “nuclear” over cap mess
 

[quote=jwmann2;903288]Is this referring to the year we gave Haynesworth and Mcnabb the giant contracts? No matter the year, you can blame the front office. [B]We all know Snyder's coworkers probably don't fall too far from the tree.[/B][/quote]

Vinny is that you?

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[quote=Giantone;903226]maybe ......and maybe not[/quote]

.., ! not sure about that .. , !!!! but maybe ?,

:oink:

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[quote=Lotus;903329]It's from when we restructured Haynesworth and re-signed Hall to frontloaded contracts.[/quote]

Exactly, Its amazing you listen on the radio and it seems no one knows whats the reason for it.

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[quote=Pigskins;903287]I just don't see why any fan of another team would post on here???? I mean I like talking to other people about the skins, but I don't get on cowboys messaging boards. I have more of a life than that, honestly dude you need a gf, even if you make solid contributions I find it very weird, do you have accounts on all the NFC east boards?[/quote]

Has been asked and answerd before.

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I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the NFL owners meeting when this subject comes up for discussion. They should put it on Pay per View.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/25/redskins-cowboys-file-grievance-against-nfl-nflpa/]Redskins, Cowboys file grievance against NFL, NFLPA | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/25/cap-penalties-reportedly-getting-in-way-of-london-fletcher-deal/]Cap penalties reportedly getting in way of London Fletcher deal | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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Nice, I was wondering if it was just going to be lip service. NOW it's going to get interesting...

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[quote=Mattyk;903529][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/25/redskins-cowboys-file-grievance-against-nfl-nflpa/"]Redskins, Cowboys file grievance against NFL, NFLPA | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

Good. Even if it amounts to nothing, I'm hoping we can at least draw it out and expose and publicize the collusion. If nothing else, I'd like it to give Roger Goodell a black eye, so to speak.

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[quote=Mattyk;903530][URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/25/cap-penalties-reportedly-getting-in-way-of-london-fletcher-deal/"]Cap penalties reportedly getting in way of London Fletcher deal | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

Question and I have ask this before, why sign some of the other free agents before Fletcher?Not getting into the whole penilty thing again but to me he should have been your #1 defensive priority,once you started to look at the defense he should have been first.I said it before I would love to see Fletcher with the Giants I think the guy is great.

[QUOTE=Giantone;903543]Question and I have ask this before, why sign some of the other free agents before Fletcher?Not getting into the whole penilty thing again but to me he should have been your #1 defensive priority,once you started to look at the defense he should have been first.I said it before I would love to see Fletcher with the Giants I think the guy is great.[/QUOTE]

It's called priorities. A 25 or 26 year old trumps a 37 year old.

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[quote=Giantone;903543]Question and I have ask this before, why sign some of the other free agents before Fletcher?Not getting into the whole penilty thing again but to me he should have been your #1 defensive priority,once you started to look at the defense he should have been first.I said it before I would love to see Fletcher with the Giants I think the guy is great.[/quote]

,hamstringing your organization over someone who may or may not take your offer is not good business.. , lol, FA typically hits hot , n, heavy and if you dont make moves, you miss out... , !!!11
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