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i don't have much hate in my heart, i don't hate t.o. i wish him and his families the best

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I've been a fan of him since he disgraced the Dallas Star, even in a Philly uniform.

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Playing in the Super Bowl with a broken leg gained respect too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;919134][B]I'm sure no one here really cares[/B]...but knowing what I've heard about TO "from the inside" and some of this is kind of public knowledge as well, TO is a fragile, fragile dude and I'm not sure he can really handle life without football. I'm not trying to make the Junior Seau leap...but it's kind of what I fear could happen[/quote]

no i dont. his relationship with his own children after his bad experience with his own father? got no sympathy for him for the way he handled himself on and off the field.

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On a side note away from the T.O. talk, did anyone see this?

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Brian-Banks-exonerated-on-rape-conviction-to-work-out-with-NFL-teams-053012]Brian Banks exonerated on rape conviction to work out with NFL teams - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

[QUOTE]Banks, 26, told ESPN columnist Rick Reilly he is scheduled to work out for the Seattle Seahawks June 7, and has received similar interest from the Redskins, Chiefs and Dolphins.
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Really sad story and I think this dude really deserves a shot somewhere. Be nice if the Skins can pick him up.

[QUOTE]The 6ft 2in, 245-pounder boasts he can dead-lift 545 pounds and run a 4.6-second 40-yard dash. Gavin Macmillan, who trains NFL players and volunteered to work with Banks for free, believes there is a chance Banks can make an NFL squad, saying "you can see why USC wanted him."
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[quote=SBXVII;919159]On a side note away from the T.O. talk, did anyone see this?

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Brian-Banks-exonerated-on-rape-conviction-to-work-out-with-NFL-teams-053012]Brian Banks exonerated on rape conviction to work out with NFL teams - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]



Really sad story and I think this dude really deserves a shot somewhere. Be nice if the Skins can pick him up.[/quote]

there is a thread about this

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Listening to Garcon (on CSN) it sounds like RGII will have some really great feedback out there.

This season can't come soon enough.

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June 1st cuts, any big names or has everyone been cut that matters?

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[quote=mredskins;919168]June 1st cuts, any big names or has everyone been cut that matters?[/quote]

they changed the rule. a post june 1 cut can actually be made in like, april now from what i understand... so no real 2nd phase free agency.

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[quote=NC_Skins;919105]Ugghh... I don't even want to think about that idiot in the HOF. Sure his numbers deserve it, but the guy was simply a douche bag and should be denied on that alone. It would be one thing if he was a douche bag in private[B](like Darryl Green)[/B] but this guy went out of his way to shit on his teammates, coaches, and anybody else he could to make himself look better.

I love the fact this clown never got a Super Bowl ring. Makes me feel giddy knowing this. :)[/quote]


Not sure why you are dishing on DG. From everything I know about him, he is one of the classiest human beings off the football field.

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i don't know who the hell that is

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[quote=jsnyder03;919170]Not sure why you are dishing on DG. From everything I know about him, he is one of the classiest human beings off the football field.[/quote]
Guess you have never meet him in person. I have had a few run in's with him and every time he has been rude at best.

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[quote=jsnyder03;919170]Not sure why you are dishing on DG. From everything I know about him, he is one of the classiest human beings off the football field.[/quote]

I can't vouch for this myself seeing as how I've never met the man, but there are plenty of people around who wouldn't vouch for how "classy" DG is.

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tootsie rolls

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[quote=mredskins;919172]Guess you have never meet him in person. I have had a few run in's with him and every time he has been rude at best.[/quote]

Maybe your personality is causing these "run-ins".


:D

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Me and my sister went to lunch with him and Ken Harvey's family after church about 5 years ago. Darryl Green could not stop talking about himself if he tried. Harvey was nice though, but DG was kinda fake............not impressed in the least.

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[B]DARRELL[/B] green

if i'm a famous athlete and some complete strangers want to go to lunch w me, i'm thinking they want me to talk about myself. that's just me

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[quote=los panda;919184][B]DARRELL[/B] green

if i'm a famous athlete and some complete strangers want to go to lunch w me, i'm thinking they want me to talk about myself. that's just me[/quote]

London Fletcher is a famous athlete and yet, I'd imagine if you had lunch with him, he'd want to do more besides talk about himself.

I do agree with your first point though. You'd think fans would be able to correctly spell the name of one of the most recognizable HOFers in Redskins history, and yet apparently that's not the case.

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Love Darrell Green, anything less is blasphemy.

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[quote=mooby;919190]London Fletcher is a famous athlete and yet, I'd imagine if you had lunch with him, he'd want to do more besides talk about himself.

I do agree with your first point though. You'd think fans would be able to correctly spell the name of one of the most recognizable HOFers in Redskins history, and yet apparently that's not the case.[/quote]right, i imagine the famous athlete would want to do more than talk about himself, but i imagine the fan may have different wants

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[quote=jsnyder03;919170]Not sure why you are dishing on DG. From everything I know about him, he is one of the classiest human beings off the football field.[/quote]

I love my Redskins.....but D.G. is a D-bag away from the cameras. My old roomate saw him a while back at a sporting event....cant remember which one.......while wearing Greens jersey....asked for an autograph and was greeted with a rude comment and a turned back.

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[quote=HITman21;919196]I love my Redskins.....but D.G. is a D-bag away from the cameras. My old roomate saw him a while back at a sporting event....cant remember which one.......while wearing Greens jersey....asked for an autograph and was greeted with a rude comment and a turned back.[/quote]

man i hate to hear things like that...thats pretty bad

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[quote=jsnyder03;919170]Not sure why you are dishing on DG. From everything I know about him, he is one of the classiest human beings off the football field.[/quote]

Why? Because he does a charity and gives and raises money for said charity? Dan Snyder gives money to charity and we know what kind of douche bag he is. I have heard nothing but bad things about DG from the people that have met him in public. Not a single story that didn't end up with him being a douche in some form or fashion.


Also, apparently you missed the Smootsmack DG stories, but I enjoy when he gives stories about how some Redskins acted during their careers. I especially liked his gem about Albert Connell...lol

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/46298-the-keenan-mccardell-curse-2.html#post877293[/url]

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[quote=HITman21;919196]I love my Redskins.....but D.G. is a D-bag away from the cameras. My old roomate saw him a while back at a sporting event....cant remember which one.......while wearing Greens jersey....asked for an autograph and was greeted with a rude comment and a turned back.[/quote]

Sucks to hear. I hate it when I hear stuff like this from fans that have envisioned this icon growing up as this super awesome guy, who played his heart out and gave back to the community, only to meet him and find out he's a huge douche bag and his entire career was for his self glory. It has to be heart breaking almost.

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I've heard nothing but bad things about Darrell Green in terms of his dealings with the fans. Its never fun to hear that your childhood favorites (or just generally favorite, if you're not as young as me) are a-holes to their fans.

But speaking of childhood, does anyone know if Green was any better with his younger fans or is it just the adults he treats like garbage?

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i believe someone asked him for an autograph for his 9 year old when he did something at CSN and he said "what's in it for me?"

so yay on that.

don't meet your idols, you're be disappointed.

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Back in the early 90s when I was around 11-12, my cousin & I recognized him at Busch Gardens in Williamsburg.

We went to say,"hi" & he completely ignored us. His wife came over to us and kind of guided us away from him.

She talked to us about him being with his family and that they didn't want to draw any attention to him.

We asked if she could just get him to sign our maps... she went over and came back with autographs.

Could have been A LOT more friendly but I could understand on that day why they would not want to be constantly hounded for pics & autographs... but... he the way he ignored us always has stuck in my memory.

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[quote=That Guy;919205]i believe someone asked him for an autograph for his 9 year old when he did something at CSN and he said "what's in it for me?"

so yay on that.

don't meet your idols, you're be disappointed.[/quote]

Not exactly the story, but close enough

Most of you know my thoughts on it all

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brunell was a dick to me at the ravens scrimmage in 2005

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[quote=los panda;919219]brunell was a dick to me at the ravens scrimmage in 2005[/quote]

that's a bit surprising, a thought he was supposed to be pretty nice/friendly and all that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;919218]Most of you know my thoughts on it all[/quote]


What Smoot is trying to say is that if he could be stuck on a island with 3 people, it would be Darrell Green, Albert Connell, and Kurt Busch. :cheeky-sm :laughing-

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[quote=jsnyder03;919170]Not sure why you are dishing on DG. From everything I know about him, he is one of the classiest human beings off the football field.[/quote]

I think the problem is people take a blanket statement and will run with it for years. They fail to look at the circumstances at the time the player played and the why's and what for's.

Remember folks back in the 80's and some of the 90's the players did not get very much money and did not get very much for their jersey sales. The way they made extra money was to do show up at events, commercials, and signing autographs. When DG was first brought on board I think he was decent and was signing everything and shortly after something happened. I've heard a rumor that he found out people were asking him to sign items then they would sell them to the public for $$$ which he was not reaping any benifits from. Because of this he stopped signing autographs and would only do it for kids.

The other thing is why sign a ton of autographs and at your next signing session no one shows up? Thats when he was supposed to be making money.

Then there is his foundation. All he asked was when doing interviews if he could announce his foundation on the air to make people aware. I think it got to a point some news feeds said no and he wouldn't do interviews with them. I think he felt if he was doing them a favor with the interview they could do him a favor and allow him to announce his foundation. Seems fair to me.

The thing to keep in mind with him is he's passionate about his foundation, he was a loyal Redskin, he didn't cause any problems in the locker room, he did his job, he didn't hold out, he didn't commit any crimes, he didn't change teams mulitple times, he didn't do pushups in his driveway and he didn't cry on tv taling about his QB.

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[quote=Hail to the Redskins;919207]Back in the early 90s when I was around 11-12, my cousin & I recognized him at Busch Gardens in Williamsburg.

We went to say,"hi" & he completely ignored us. His wife came over to us and kind of guided us away from him.

She talked to us about him being with his family and that they didn't want to draw any attention to him.

We asked if she could just get him to sign our maps... she went over and came back with autographs.

Could have been A LOT more friendly but I could understand on that day why they would not want to be constantly hounded for pics & autographs... but... he the way he ignored us always has stuck in my memory.[/quote]

Totally understand you position but I think you have already recognized his... not wanting to be hounded every where he went. The only other way around that would be to either rent the park out so no one else was there and your kids not get the park experience or go way out of town maybe to Dallas country and go to the park. lol.

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NC...hilarious!

SBXVII...it's a bit more complicated than that

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[quote=SmootSmack;919287]NC...hilarious!

SBXVII...it's a bit more complicated than that[/quote]

gotcha.

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[quote=los panda;919219]brunell was a dick to me at the ravens scrimmage in 2005[/quote]

Maybe you resembled a collection agent he had a run-in with.

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[quote=SBXVII;919281]I think the problem is people take a blanket statement and will run with it for years. They fail to look at the circumstances at the time the player played and the why's and what for's.

Remember folks back in the 80's and some of the 90's the players did not get very much money and did not get very much for their jersey sales. The way they made extra money was to do show up at events, commercials, and signing autographs. When DG was first brought on board I think he was decent and was signing everything and shortly after something happened. I've heard a rumor that he found out people were asking him to sign items then they would sell them to the public for $$$ which he was not reaping any benifits from. Because of this he stopped signing autographs and would only do it for kids.

The other thing is why sign a ton of autographs and at your next signing session no one shows up? Thats when he was supposed to be making money.

Then there is his foundation. All he asked was when doing interviews if he could announce his foundation on the air to make people aware. I think it got to a point some news feeds said no and he wouldn't do interviews with them. I think he felt if he was doing them a favor with the interview they could do him a favor and allow him to announce his foundation. Seems fair to me.

The thing to keep in mind with him is he's passionate about his foundation, he was a loyal Redskin, he didn't cause any problems in the locker room, he did his job, he didn't hold out, he didn't commit any crimes, he didn't change teams mulitple times, he didn't do pushups in his driveway and he didn't cry on tv taling about his QB.[/quote]


Good post.


He was a leader on the field for longer than most NFL players could dream of playing. That's all we can ask of a football player. Off the field, they are no different than the general public and there's going to be some we can get along with and some we won't. We shouldn't hold any of them up as better than us or have great expectations of them personally. We should only be fans of football players for what they do on the field, or we'll be disappointed.

It's great to commend and appreciate those who use their talents, name recognition and money for good charitable causes, but it should nor be automatically expected or be used as a measuring stick of how good of a person they are or aren't.

Football was their job. We should understand that. They're not idols or better/different than any of us outside of their career choice. There's going to be good ones and bad ones just like the people at our own workplaces.

I thank Green for the memories he provided in the Redskins uniform and beyond that, I don't expect anything else from him. I'm a big fan of #28 the player. I don't watch football to make friends or find men to admire.

Sure, some like Art Monk, London Fletcher and I'm going to say it, Tim Tebow, I am a fan of who they are personally and how they live their lives, but that's just an added bonus on top of the football entertainment.

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[quote=SmootSmack;919134]I'm sure no one here really cares...but knowing what I've heard about TO "from the inside" and some of this is kind of public knowledge as well, TO is a fragile, fragile dude and I'm not sure he can really handle life without football. I'm not trying to make the Junior Seau leap...but it's kind of what I fear could happen[/quote]

I can believe that, but I have to say that I probably wouldn't be sympathetic in the least as far as he was concerned. Granted, I would feel compassion for the people who did care for him and for his children, but it seems like to me he doesn't interact with his kids or support them. I know this makes me seem like a asshole or some heartless bastard, but it's hard to feel sympathy for a man who's had it all and has blown it with choice after choice after choice. On more than one occasion, he's had the opportunity to do the right thing he always chooses to do the wrong thing.


On that note. According to this, his severance package was a mere $50 check...lol Took his ride away too..lol

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/terrell-owens-gets-50-severance-allen-wranglers-threatens-150431179.html]Terrell Owens gets $50 severance from Allen Wranglers, threatens lawsuit | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Just a thought:

Stop idolizing athletes above their contribution to the sport. If they contribute to charities, great, enjoy the tax write-off. Then get back on the field. Fans will cheer you when you rock the B&G then forget you when you start to fade or demand you be cut (ex: Clinton Portis, Doug Williams, etc.)

I'm a grown man. No need for heroes....or autographs.

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[quote=los panda;919219]brunell was a dick to me at the ravens scrimmage in 2005[/quote]

Were you his accountant or personal banker or something?

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[quote=NC_Skins;919199]Why? Because he does a charity and gives and raises money for said charity? Dan Snyder gives money to charity and we know what kind of douche bag he is. I have heard nothing but bad things about DG from the people that have met him in public. Not a single story that didn't end up with him being a douche in some form or fashion.


Also, apparently you missed the Smootsmack DG stories, but I enjoy when he gives stories about how some Redskins acted during their careers. I especially liked his gem about Albert Connell...lol

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/46298-the-keenan-mccardell-curse-2.html#post877293[/url][/quote]

I've known people who worked for his foundation that basically said if he's around... don't look at him or say anything to him... he's apparently a douche to the people that work for him too.