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[quote=30gut;928310]Yup that makes sense and that's who they lost (Peters).
We could have really hurt their OL if we had enough cash to outbid them for D.Bell.

Although I have a lot of respect for Vick, i think their receiving corp is limited.
Here's how I see them:
With Riley Cooper breaking his leg they don't (at present) show enough depth to 4-5 wide.
If they're in base or 3 WR personnel:
DeSean only runs routes outside the numbers and you can always double him.
If you need to you can double Maclin but imo he's not a dyanmic WR and I think Wilson or D.Hall (if he's in the mood to play honest press man) can shut him down.
Avant you can play man-to-man.
Celek you can play man to man.

[B]The X-factors are Shady McCoy and whether or not Andy Reid feels like running the ball.[/B][/quote]

IMHO - Couldn't agree more. In fact, I think McCoy, more so than Vick, is the key to their offense. Due to his versatility, he really presents problems for the defense which, in turn, creates openings for Maclin and Jackson. Both are good WR's who can make great plays (as opposed to say a C. Johnson who is a great WR who can make phenomenal plays). I think this is true even if Reid stays with his pass heavy offense.

As you say, both Maclin and Johnson can be taken away - most of the time - in the passing game by doubling and pressing and the rest of the WR are nothing special. McCoy, however, creates all sorts of match-up up problems in the passing game and frees Maclin and Johnson on the play action. Even if Reid doesn't run much, McCoy is the type of runner for whom you have to respect the run any time he is in because he can break for big gains [I]anytime[/I] he touches the ball.

Vick, well, he's Vick. He extends plays and makes some on his own. While he is individually dynamic, McCoy is both individually dynamic (to a lesser degree than Vick) [I]and[/I] makes the team more dynamic schematically. By that I mean, defenses have to respect Vick b/c if they don't, Vick will make big plays that move the team and create scoring and, because you can't count on one guy to take Vick away either as a QB or runner, he creates opportunities for others.

On the other hand, and in addition to his talent as RB and receiver, McCoy creates a different kind of uncertainty for the defenses. Just like Vick you have to account for him as an individual and so he creates openings for others in style (but not the degree) that Vick does. Because of McCoy's versatility as a runner and receiver, defenses don't know exactly how he will be used on any particular play creating a schematic confusion (is he a runner or receiver - is it pass, play-action, draw, off-tackle, etc?).

McCoy & Vick [I]together[/I] are extremely dangerous for the problems they present. IMHO, however, take away McCoyand their offense becomes much, much less dynamic

I expect their defense will be improved from last year - not really all that hard to do. They have a lot to prove and may be playing with a chip on their shoulder. The addition of Ryans and the subtraction of Samuel (again, IMHO) will provide giant step forward. Still not sold on the Wide 9 or Castillo, but I expect a much better performance from their D this year.

And, yes, I wish we had been able to grab Bell. I would much rather have had him than Morgan. Not sure if he was available when the call to go for Morgan was made, but, if so, I think Morgan over Bell was a mistake.

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I agree with you guys about McCoy. The dropoff from him to Dion Lewis is very large. If I were a Philly fan I would feel worse about seeing McCoy hurt than I would about any other player on their team.

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Uh, PHI wasn't that great of a team last year. But, yes they have some individual stars.

They ought to be much better this year. A year for their talent to mesh. Either way, our division will be better this year. 10 and 6 might not cut it.

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Good read here from Travelle Gaines, who runs a program that over 32 NFL players use in the offseason to stay in shape, and it basically sums up why he thinks conditioning tests are overrated.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/performance-gaines-conditioning-tests-really-tell-173556675--nfl.html]Performance Gaines: What do conditioning tests really tell you? | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

I don't think it's as cut and dry as whether or not teams should run conditioning tests, as I think it depends on what kind of team you have, but for me the interesting parts of the article are where he describes the kind of tests they do.

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[quote=hooskins;928411]They ought to be much better this year. A year for their talent to mesh. Either way, our division will be better this year. 10 and 6 might not cut it.[/quote]

A 9-7 record won the NFC East last year. That 9-7 team won the Super Bowl but lost twice last season to the team that finished at the bottom of the division. We never know how things will turn out year after year. With the NFC East playing the AFC North, the division winner in the NFC East could very well end up 10-6. But the last time the NFC East played the AFC North, the division winner did end up with a 12-4 record. I doubt if that happens by the end of the 2012 season.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;928456]A 9-7 record won the NFC East last year. That 9-7 team won the Super Bowl but lost twice last season to the team that finished at the bottom of the division. We never know how things will turn out year after year. With the NFC East playing the AFC North, the division winner in the NFC East could very well end up 10-6. But the last time the NFC East played the AFC North, the division winner did end up with a 12-4 record. I doubt if that happens by the end of the 2012 season.[/QUOTE]

I was thinking its going to be 10 or 11 this year.

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[quote=mooby;928298]Fixed.[/quote]I'd love it if another team's owner was a Skins fan, and gave us sweetheart deals on draft picks and their best players. Like pick up Haynesworth from us in '11 for their first round pick, lol. At least until we were good again.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;928456]A 9-7 record won the NFC East last year. That 9-7 team won the Super Bowl but lost twice last season to the team that finished at the bottom of the division. We never know how things will turn out year after year. With the NFC East playing the AFC North, the division winner in the NFC East could very well end up 10-6. But the last time the NFC East played the AFC North, the division winner did end up with a 12-4 record. I doubt if that happens by the end of the 2012 season.[/quote]

Now that's a great perspective.

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[quote=hooskins;928457]I was thinking its going to be 10 or 11 this year.[/quote]

I just don't believe none of the four teams in the NFC East division are good enough to win that many games.

The afc north isn't a better division than the nfce. Idk why ppl think that.

Giants won the sb and are better than anyone in the north, the eagles are loaded on offense( ravens and Steelers are not) and honestly Dallas and wsh could both be better than the Bengals.

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[quote=hooskins;928457]I was thinking its going to be 10 or 11 this year.[/quote]

I agree. It's 10 or 11 to win the NFCE almost every year. Last year's 9-7 was an historical aberration.

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I didn't know where to put this but what does this mean to you?
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/blog/rob-rang/19646205/lb-mike-orakpo-transferring-to-baylor]LB Mike Orakpo transfering to Baylor - CBSSports[/url]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;928476]I just don't believe none of the four teams in the NFC East division are good enough to win that many games.[/quote]



....and I think 3 teams are coming out of the East.

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So Robert Gallery announced his retirement today. 2nd pick overall back in 2004, I think. So I can't decide if he was a bust or just had a decent yet not great career

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And the Broncos signed Jim Leonhard apparently

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[quote=HailGreen28;928459]I'd love it if another team's owner was a Skins fan, and gave us sweetheart deals on draft picks and their best players. Like pick up Haynesworth from us in '11 for their first round pick, lol. At least until we were good again.[/quote]

Lol yeah I think we'd all love that. I'll file that one next to the Cooley-for-Wallace trade in the "probably never gonna happen" folder though.

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[quote=SmootSmack;928542]So Robert Gallery announced his retirement today. 2nd pick overall back in 2004, I think. So I can't decide if he was a bust or just had a decent yet not great career[/quote]

Once they stopped playing him at tackle and put him at guard I thought he was decent. Not 2nd overall pick worthy, but a decent starter. If he had stayed at tackle he would've been called a bust though.

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Hopefully Andy Reid is ok. Hadn't made it to camp this morning. I wish the news reporters would break the stories with as much information as they can instead of leading folks to speculate the worse.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000046288/article/andy-reids-son-garrett-found-dead-at-eagles-camp]Andy Reid's son, Garrett, found dead at Eagles camp - NFL.com[/url]

Oh dear. My thoughts go out to Andy Reid on this one, parents are never supposed to outlive their children. He's going to have some tough days ahead.

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^ pft just announced his son died

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Holy smokes that is awful.

Sad news for Reid that's horrible

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Cannot imagine what the Reid family is going through or what any parent goes through when they lose a child. Thoughts and prayers with the Reid family and Eagle organization.

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The son supposedly had drug problems in the past, perhaps this came into play into his sudden death.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;928632]The son supposedly had drug problems in the past, perhaps this came into play into his sudden death.[/quote]

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/eagles"][COLOR=#0066cc][IMG]http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/2.0/sect/football/nfl/teampages/story_promo/eagles.gif[/IMG][/COLOR][/URL]

BETHLEHEM, Pa. (AP) -- Garrett Reid, the oldest son of [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/eagles"][COLOR=#0066cc]Philadelphia Eagles[/COLOR][/URL] coach Andy Reid, was found dead Sunday morning in his room at the club's training camp at Lehigh University. He was 29.
The police chief at Lehigh, Edward Shupp, said a 911 call was made at 7:20 a.m., and that Garrett Reid was deceased upon a policeman's arrival at the campus dormitory.
"There were no suspicious activities," said Shupp, who said a cause of death had not been determined



Read more: [URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/08/05/reid-son-dead.ap/index.html#ixzz22gbKRw00"]Eagles coach Andy Reid's oldest son found dead - NFL - SI.com[/URL]

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[quote=SmootSmack;928542]So Robert Gallery announced his retirement today. 2nd pick overall back in 2004, I think. So I can't decide if he was a bust or just had a decent yet not great career[/quote]

Well, if he was drafted to be a guard, then I'd say his career was decent. However, he was drafted to be a franchise LT and in that aspect, he was a huge bust.


[quote=mooby;928613][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000046288/article/andy-reids-son-garrett-found-dead-at-eagles-camp]Andy Reid's son, Garrett, found dead at Eagles camp - NFL.com[/url]

Oh dear. My thoughts go out to Andy Reid on this one, parents are never supposed to outlive their children. He's going to have some tough days ahead.[/quote]

Is this the same son that had all those drug problems? Shame it's ended this way. I feel for Andy and his family. :(

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[url]https://twitter.com/IamDevinThomas[/url]


[B][SIZE="4"]Devin Thomas ‏@IamDevinThomas

I have decided to retire from the NFL. [/SIZE][/B]



:laughing-

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[quote=NC_Skins;928637][url]https://twitter.com/IamDevinThomas[/url]


[B][SIZE="4"]Devin Thomas ‏@IamDevinThomas

I have decided to retire from the NFL. [/SIZE][/B]



:laughing-[/quote]

One of the greatest competitors the game has ever seen. Of course it's only natural he retire, having competed and played the game at its' highest level while also receiving a Super Bowl ring in the span of 4 seasons. There's nothing left for him to accomplish now, and without a doubt we'll be hearing about him in 5 years when his name comes up for a certain distinction, which will be him being broke and penniless after his modeling career goes south. Godspeed Devin Thomas.

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This sounds pretty brutal.

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/story/_/id/8236282/minnesota-vikings-wr-greg-childs-tears-tendons-knees]Minnesota Vikings WR Greg Childs tears tendons in both knees - ESPN[/url]

He faces a long road to recovery, but it'll be a great story if he can come back from this.

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[quote=NC_Skins;928637][url]https://twitter.com/IamDevinThomas[/url]
[B][SIZE="4"]Devin Thomas ‏@IamDevinThomas
I have decided to retire from the NFL. [/SIZE][/B]
[/quote]


Three 2nd round picks. To think who we could have drafted with those picks with the Shanny regime. Should have been three starters for us, instead we're left with a question mark made out of weed. F. Davis seems like he'll stick around if he doesn't become Ricky Williams.

Both players are out of the NFL now lmao.. although I can't laugh much because I actually thought they were decent draft picks. Kelly had a ton of potential as did dt.. sometimes u just get snakebit

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In all seriousness, best of luck to DT on his next venture mentoring kids and giving back to his community.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;928648]In all seriousness, best of luck to DT on his next venture mentoring kids and giving back to his community.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's a good deed

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[quote=SmootSmack;928648]In all seriousness, best of luck to DT on his next venture mentoring kids and giving back to his community.[/quote]

Is he really doing that? Because if he is, I certainly can't hate on that.

Edit:

Devin Thomas ‏@IamDevinThomas
God has blessed me w achieving a childhood dream. I want to give back to my hometown and coach/mentor kids so they can reach their own. 1LUV

Good for him.

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[quote=NC_Skins;928637][url]https://twitter.com/IamDevinThomas[/url]


[B][SIZE="4"]Devin Thomas ‏@IamDevinThomas

I have decided to retire from the NFL. [/SIZE][/B]



:laughing-[/quote]

Devin Thomas the most wasted 2nd round draft choice in Redskins history retires on top. He even gets to have a ring before he calls it quits. Man, I think less and less of Vinny Cerrato every time I hear about news like this.

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[quote=NC_Skins;928637][url]https://twitter.com/IamDevinThomas[/url]


[B][SIZE="4"]Devin Thomas ‏@IamDevinThomas

I have decided to retire from the NFL. [/SIZE][/B]



:laughing-[/quote]

Translation; I wouldn't have made it on the bears, I'm going out on top and not like Malcolm Kelly.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;928720]Translation; I wouldn't have made it on the bears, I'm going out on top and not like Malcolm Kelly.[/QUOTE]

The bears have The best return man in the league and dt isn't a wr so....

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[quote=mooby;928639]One of the greatest competitors the game has ever seen. Of course it's only natural he retire, having competed and played the game at its' highest level while also receiving a Super Bowl ring in the span of 4 seasons. There's nothing left for him to accomplish now, and without a doubt we'll be hearing about him in 5 years when his name comes up for a certain distinction, which will be him being broke and penniless after his modeling career goes south. Godspeed Devin Thomas.[/quote]

Truly so. Let the cOuntdown begin- 4 years till Canton. Drafted in the 2nd round by respected and adored former GM VCerrato (known for his playful chuckling (and never cackling) laugh and amazing eye for talent). Idk what else to say just great guys doing great stuff.

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Oh I forgot 2 things:
VCerrato the reason of the 49ers success and even the reason they won super bowls before he even worked for team.
DThomas, able to carry his team thru the season and into the super bowl all on his back.