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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/kyle-shanahan-chases-officiating-crew-down-stadium-tunnel-163940264--nfl.html]Kyle Shanahan chases officiating crew down stadium tunnel, throws F-bombs their way | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=Mechanix544;945204][IMG]http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/9/17/15/anigif_enhanced-buzz-26520-1347910428-6.gif[/IMG]

This didn't get a flag either............out of control.[/quote]

Im good with this one, no flag imo. I think the ref actually should have pulled a Smokey, stood over him and said "You got knocked the f*ck out!"

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[quote=Mechanix544;945204][IMG]http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal05/2012/9/17/15/anigif_enhanced-buzz-26520-1347910428-6.gif[/IMG]

This didn't get a flag either............out of control.[/quote]

Shoulder pad hit the number, nothing wrong here. The defender is trying to tackle the runner. This is a good no call.

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[quote=Chico23231;945207]Im good with this one, no flag imo. I think the ref actually should have pulled a [B]Smokey, stood over him and said "You got knocked the f*ck out!"[/quote][/B]

:lol:

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[quote=skinsfan69;945208]Shoulder pad hit the number, nothing wrong here. The defender is trying to tackle the runner. This is a good no call.[/quote]

Not sure if serious. He's clearly leading with his helmet and coming up under his chin. Flag and fine.

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You have to be kidding me, he leads with the helmet, makes no attempt to get low, and thrusts his helmet upwards under his chin, that is one of the most dangerous hits you can make in football, talk about defenseless. Running with a full head of steam, and having someone do that to you. just look at how his left arm reacts to the hit.

BTW, he got fined 35k for the hit I believe. So much for the clean hit theory. I do understand its a cowboy on the receiving end, lol, but that doesnt make it right.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-needs-to-clean-up-officiating-mess--hellip-and-issue-a-public-apology.html]Roger Goodell needs to immediately clean up NFL officiating mess … and issue a public apology - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Is it overboard to start hoping for Goodell's resignation?

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[quote=The Goat;945220][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-needs-to-clean-up-officiating-mess--hellip-and-issue-a-public-apology.html]Roger Goodell needs to immediately clean up NFL officiating mess … and issue a public apology - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Is it overboard to start hoping for Goodell's resignation?[/quote]

No sir it is not imho.

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[quote=The Goat;945220][url=http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-needs-to-clean-up-officiating-mess--hellip-and-issue-a-public-apology.html]Roger Goodell needs to immediately clean up NFL officiating mess … and issue a public apology - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Is it overboard to start hoping for Goodell's resignation?[/quote]

yes

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i just saw the play from last night, what are these ref's smoking?

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[quote=ArtMonkDrillz;944952]Exactly. And this hit isn't "allowing them to play" it's dangerous and dirty and exactly the kind of potentially life altering shot the the NFL claims it's trying to eliminate. To not even throw a flag here is completely inexcusable. [/quote]

Right before the hit to Hey-Bey, some other Raiders receiver got slammed with a helmet-to-helmet hit. I am sure this is a situation where a thrown flag would have in some way prevented any other helmet-to-helmet hits, like the one to Hey-Bey.

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I haven't confirmed myself but that famous former-Lingerie League ref was working last night.

Source: Radio report claiming the Lingerie League themselves were stating this.


Crazy...one ref was signally no TD and the other signaled TD, standing right beside each other!


If this doesn't move things forward FAST, we'll know the NFL doesn't care.

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[quote=Ruhskins;945229]Right before the hit to Hey-Bey, some other Raiders receiver got slammed with a helmet-to-helmet hit. I am sure this is a situation where a thrown flag would have in some way prevented any other helmet-to-helmet hits, like the one to Hey-Bey.[/quote]

Streater...he was down for a while too.

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[quote=Mechanix544;945219]You have to be kidding me, he leads with the helmet, makes no attempt to get low, and thrusts his helmet upwards under his chin, that is one of the most dangerous hits you can make in football, talk about defenseless. Running with a full head of steam, and having someone do that to you. just look at how his left arm reacts to the hit.

BTW, he got fined 35k for the hit I believe. So much for the clean hit theory. I do understand its a cowboy on the receiving end, lol, but that doesnt make it right.[/quote]

Actually from that animation you posted, it appeared the helmet didn't hit the chin but right between the numbers. However, it's the angle I'm looking at it from. I'm sure if I saw the hit from the side, I could tell if it hit the chin.

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Good read on the real issues behind the NFLRA Lockout.

Brandt, who I like alot, tries to be fair, but to me it sounds like he puts it on the owners.

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[quote=Monkeydad;945230]I haven't confirmed myself but that famous former-Lingerie League ref was working last night.

Source: Radio report claiming the Lingerie League themselves were stating this.


Crazy...one ref was signally no TD and the other signaled TD, standing right beside each other!


If this doesn't move things forward FAST, we'll know the NFL doesn't care.[/quote]

I'm gonna be honest, I think we already know the NFL doesn't care. Until the public outcry becomes so massive that fans don't show up to games or spend money on the product, I think the scab refs will continue to be employed. If they don't anything now after the refs cost the Packers a win, it clearly means they don't give a shit. It's all about the revenue stream.

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The crazy thing is there are actually people who still believe the refs aren't doing any worse of a job than the regulars, and also believe last night's call was correct...LOL! I find that mind-boggling.

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[B][SIZE="3"]@AlbertBreer: NFL:The NFL officiating department reviewed the video today and supports the the decision not to overturn [/SIZE][/B]




Nope. They don't give a shit.

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[quote=Mechanix544;945219]You have to be kidding me, he leads with the helmet, makes no attempt to get low, and thrusts his helmet upwards under his chin, that is one of the most dangerous hits you can make in football, talk about defenseless. Running with a full head of steam, and having someone do that to you. just look at how his left arm reacts to the hit.

BTW, he got fined 35k for the hit I believe. So much for the clean hit theory. I do understand its a cowboy on the receiving end, lol, but that doesnt make it right.[/quote]

I just don't have a problem with that type of hit but that's just me.

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[quote=los panda;945225]i just saw the play from last night, what are these ref's smoking?[/quote]

It was the same crew from the Was STL game. What did they expect puttng that group on a national stage?

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^ thats a joke.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;945241]It was the same crew from the Was STL game. What did they expect puttng that group on a national stage?[/QUOTE]

You know they select the "best of the best" to do the primetime games. Lol. Wash stlouis was headline game on fox too. Unreal.

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lol. If they are the best then we are all screwed. This season will be a joke, when you have teams that are so close in paridity or when you have a team like ours that is on the edge talent wise the refs can alter the outcomes of games even if the calls arent as blantant as what we saw last night. The flow of a game is a big determing factor in who wins as is the rules, when you have a situation like this no one wins. It is a shame that we are going to have to sit through this while they firgure it out and wonder what might have been.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;945324]lol. If they are the best then we are all screwed. This season will be a joke, when you have teams that are so close in paridity or when you have a team like ours that is on the edge talent wise the refs can alter the outcomes of games even if the calls arent as blantant as what we saw last night. The flow of a game is a big determing factor in who wins as is the rules, when you have a situation like this no one wins. It is a shame that we are going to have to sit through this while they firgure it out and wonder what might have been.[/QUOTE]

I cant take this season seriously no matter what the skins do at this point. Its already tainted. Real shame.

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These replacement refs are not just as joke. But they are really ruining the game of NFL. Players, coaches, teams, fans are really getting ticked off.

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Huge asterisk in the stat books for this season please.

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the stat book should be shaped like an asterisk

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Is there any news on resolving Ref-Gate today? Hopefully this weekend, and especially last night, motivated folks in positions of power to action.

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did hear a report just a few minutes ago on a local station that they are 5.8 mil a year apart in negotiations.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;945357]did hear a report just a few minutes ago on a local station that they are 5.8 mil a year apart in negotiations.[/quote]
$181,250 a team? Seriously...just split the difference and fix the game.

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Alvin, you always have the right meme for the mood.

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[quote=Monkeydad;945359]$181,250 a team? Seriously...just split the difference and fix the game.[/quote]

The issue is that the part time refs want a full time employees pension plan. The plan they want some full time NFL employees do not receive so how can the give the part time REFs a better pension?

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the commish gets $20mill for turning the league into a sideshow? doesn't seem like he's up to the task either.

it reminds me of this PA strip:
[url=http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/07/04]Penny Arcade - A Unique Predicament[/url]

[quote]I don't think you understand how hard it is to drive a brand into the ground, and erode the popular support that has flourished for over thirty years. I get up early. And I don't go to bed until I've made some very poor decisions[/quote]

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[quote=firstdown;945447]The issue is that the part time refs want a full time employees pension plan. The plan they want some full time NFL employees do not receive so how can the give the part time REFs a better pension?[/quote]

Its pretty easy actually. You just give it to them. Its not even giving it to them, its actually just not taking away something they have been giving them for 30 years or so.

The fact is the harder the job, the more it is supposed to get paid. If its a specialty job, stop comparing it to the cashier at the local wal-mart. If the cashier at wal-mart could ref NFL games efficiently at 7 dollars an hour, this thread doesnt exist. Since the NFL is making 9 billion per year, and the replacement refs are making them look like a joke, the normal NFL refs are sure looking like they earn that money and pension. If they have earned it, then let them have it.

This entire argument that some cashiers and secretaries are full time and dont receive a pension are not legitimate arguments over whether an NFL ref deserves one or not.

[QUOTE=Skinzman;945490]Its pretty easy actually. You just give it to them. Its not even giving it to them, its actually just not taking away something they have been giving them for 30 years or so.

The fact is the harder the job, the more it is supposed to get paid. If its a specialty job, stop comparing it to the cashier at the local wal-mart. If the cashier at wal-mart could ref NFL games efficiently at 7 dollars an hour, this thread doesnt exist. Since the NFL is making 9 billion per year, and the replacement refs are making them look like a joke, the normal NFL refs are sure looking like they earn that money and pension. If they have earned it, then let them have it.

This entire argument that some cashiers and secretaries are full time and dont receive a pension are not legitimate arguments over whether an NFL ref deserves one or not.[/QUOTE]

Well said. We are seeing how important their job is - something tells me if the secretaries went on strike it would not be so obvious to us.

I do see owners part of the argument as well though, I mean these guys work what 20 games a year counting playoffs and they make damn good money, but it's just gotten to a point that the league needs to get this done ASAP. It's beyond ridiculous

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;945494]I do see owners part of the argument as well though, I mean these guys work what 20 games a year counting playoffs and they make damn good money, but it's just gotten to a point that the league needs to get this done ASAP. It's beyond ridiculous[/QUOTE]

Again though its about how important their job is. Brain surgeons arent doing multiple brain surgeries every day but when one needs to be done are you going to pay him or some kid in med school?

[QUOTE=punch it in;945499]Again though its about how important their job is. Brain surgeons arent doing multiple brain surgeries every day but when one needs to be done are you going to pay him or some kid in med school?[/QUOTE]

No doubt I agree with what your saying, it's just I kinda do see both sides here