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[quote=scowan;935494]Smoot, explain to me again Jamaal Brown's situation? He is not on IR, but PUP or something?[/quote]

Yeah's he on PUP. Can be activated any time after the 6th game

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[quote=SmootSmack;935505]Yeah's he on PUP. Can be activated any time after the 6th game[/quote]

Won't be holding my breath.

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So is there a strong case that can be made that we keep all 4 RBs? And if so, wouldn't you think one of them would be deactivated on Game days? The Redskin's backfield is a wonderful mess, but a mess just the same. I feel like if we cut one of these guys (Hightower, Helu, Royster, or Morris) they will get immediately picked up.

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Quarterbacks (3): Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins

Halfbacks/Fullbacks (5): Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Roy Helu, Jr., Alfred Morris, Darrel Young

Wide Receivers (7): Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Joshua Morgan, Dezmon Briscoe, Anthony Armstrong, Brandon Banks

Tight End (3): Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen

Defensive Linemen (6): Adam Carriker, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Baker, Kedric Golston

Outside Linebackers (4): Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orakpo, Rob Jackson, Chris Wilson

Inside Linebackers (5): London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Bryan Kehl

Cornerbacks (5): DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Richard Crawford, Brandyn Thompson

Safeties (5): Tanard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Madieu Williams, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes

Special Teams (3): Billy Cundiff, Sav Rocca, Nick Sundberg

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;935468]I was going to try to do the whole 53, then I realized I haven't got a clue.

My main shock cut would be Grossman, and they decide to use that surprise spot to keep the 4th RB without any loss at WR or DB's.

I doubt it would happen, but honestly Cousins impressed the heck outta me, and seems like he could hold his own if it came down to it.[/quote]

Zero chance Rex gets cut. He's, at least for the first halfish of the season, the rock solid #2.

#2 meaning if RGIII gets hurt Rex comes into the game. If RGIII is hurt for an extended period of time I would bet Cousins gets the starts though. Rex is the guy they don't have to spend the whole preparing him to play. He's just plug and play.

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[quote=KingRaloIV;935530]Quarterbacks (3): Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins

Halfbacks/Fullbacks (5): Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Roy Helu, Jr., Alfred Morris, Darrel Young

Wide Receivers (7): Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Joshua Morgan, Dezmon Briscoe, Anthony Armstrong, Brandon Banks

Tight End (3): Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen

Defensive Linemen (6): Adam Carriker, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Baker, Kedric Golston

Outside Linebackers (4): Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orakpo, Rob Jackson, Chris Wilson

Inside Linebackers (5): London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Bryan Kehl

Cornerbacks (5): DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Richard Crawford, Brandyn Thompson

Safeties (5): Tanard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Madieu Williams, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes

Special Teams (3): Billy Cundiff, Sav Rocca, Nick Sundberg[/quote]offensive lineman were overrated, anyways

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[quote=KingRaloIV;935530]Quarterbacks (3): Robert Griffin III, Rex Grossman, Kirk Cousins

Halfbacks/Fullbacks (5): Tim Hightower, Evan Royster, Roy Helu, Jr., Alfred Morris, Darrel Young

Wide Receivers (7): Pierre Garcon, Santana Moss, Leonard Hankerson, Joshua Morgan, Dezmon Briscoe, Anthony Armstrong, Brandon Banks

Tight End (3): Fred Davis, Niles Paul, Logan Paulsen

Defensive Linemen (6): Adam Carriker, Barry Cofield, Stephen Bowen, Jarvis Jenkins, Chris Baker, Kedric Golston

Outside Linebackers (4): Ryan Kerrigan, Brian Orakpo, Rob Jackson, Chris Wilson

Inside Linebackers (5): London Fletcher, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Keenan Robinson, Bryan Kehl

Cornerbacks (5): DeAngelo Hall, Josh Wilson, Cedric Griffin, Richard Crawford, Brandyn Thompson

Safeties (5): Tanard Jackson, Brandon Meriweather, Madieu Williams, Reed Doughty, DeJon Gomes

Special Teams (3): Billy Cundiff, Sav Rocca, Nick Sundberg[/quote]

Ballsy going with no Oline...go back and edit

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[quote=IrMitchell;935489]There's no way Hightower makes this team over one of Helu/Morris/Royser right?

Seems hard to justify in my opinion.[/quote]

More complete player with less upside than than Morris or Helu. Balky knee is the only thing that makes him not a 100% lock.

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[quote=FRPLG;935531]Zero chance Rex gets cut. He's, at least for the first halfish of the season, the rock solid #2.

#2 meaning if RGIII gets hurt Rex comes into the game. If RGIII is hurt for an extended period of time I would bet Cousins gets the starts though. Rex is the guy they don't have to spend the whole preparing him to play. He's just plug and play.[/quote]

But at some point, he's just a blank spot. If he is on this year, it's a high probability he won't contribute one bit, and if he does, history shows he gives us about a 50% win rate. Cousins won't contribute at all if he stays, but he's got to be on the roster, not going to PS because another team will pick him up, so why have two deadspots at backup qb. Doesn't seem worth it, especially considering the battles going on at other spots. If we keep all 4 RBs and 2 FBs, it's pretty much a guarantee all 6 will contribute during the season. I know Rex is a comfort zone keep, but I think Cousins showed enough that Rex' spot ought to be at least within the discussion of the cuts.

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[quote=Chico23231;935533]Ballsy going with no Oline...go back and edit[/quote]

Griffin is so fast he'll hike the ball to himself, hand off then cut block whichever side of the defense the run is toward. On passes, well clearly the ball will be as if transported to the receiver's hands.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;935537]But at some point, he's just a blank spot. If he is on this year, it's a high probability he won't contribute one bit, and if he does, history shows he gives us about a 50% win rate. Cousins won't contribute at all if he stays, but he's got to be on the roster, not going to PS because another team will pick him up, so why have two deadspots at backup qb. Doesn't seem worth it, especially considering the battles going on at other spots. If we keep all 4 RBs and 2 FBs, it's pretty much a guarantee all 6 will contribute during the season. I know Rex is a comfort zone keep, but I think Cousins showed enough that Rex' spot ought to be at least within the discussion of the cuts.[/quote]

I am no great Wrecks fan, as you know. But what if Gryphon (heaven forbid) is lost for the season in game 6? Do we really want Cousins starting 10 games? I don't. I'd prefer the 50% win rate of Wrecks in this scenario. Gotta keep Wrecks...for now.

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There has to be a way the Skins can take advantage of the new IR activation rule. Who might be a candidate? Hightower?

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quarterbacks (3): griffin iii, grossman, cousins

running backs (5): hightower, royster, helu, morris, young (fb)

wide receivers (7): garcon, moss, hankerson, morgan, briscoe, armstrong, banks (kr/pr)

tight end (3): davis, paul, paulsen

offensive lineman (9): williams, lichtensteiger, montgomery, chester, brown, polumbus, hurt, smith, leribeus

defensive linemen (6): carriker, cofield, bowen, jenkins, baker, golston

outside linebackers (4): kerrigan, orakpo, jackson, wilson

inside linebackers (4): fletcher, riley, alexander, robinson

cornerbacks (5): hall, wilson, griffin, crawford, thompson

safeties (4): jackson, meriweather, williams, doughty

special Teams (3): cundiff, rocca, sundberg

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[quote=Lotus;935542]I am no great Wrecks fan, as you know. But what if Gryphon (heaven forbid) is lost for the season in game 6? Do we really want Cousins starting 10 games? I don't. I'd prefer the 50% win rate of Wrecks in this scenario. Gotta keep Wrecks...for now.[/quote]
I know it could have a doomsday case like this, but what is Green Bay doing? What if ARodgers gets hurts who fills in?

Drew Brees has Chase but is he going to do it for you?
Heck Eli has who?

If your second guy comes in for 10 games, we aren't doing much any way.
Look at Houston - Shaub's place was taken by what's his name.

If they keep Rex I understand, but we could look at an extra OL, RB, DB who might actually play even if no major injury occurs, and at spots where major injury may be more likely. Griffin may be injury prone, but so far, he has looked like he understands that part of his job is protecting himself. (he is the oline after all!)

Edit: Thanks Google internet search - PFT did an analysis of [URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1299505-nfl-power-rankings-backup-quarterback-edition"]backup qbs[/URL] 2 weeks ago, and like I said I just don't see backup qb as the worst need on ours.

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;935543]There has to be a way the Skins can take advantage of the new IR activation rule. Who might be a candidate? Hightower?[/quote]

You mean Helu? Hightower is back. He looked good in the Colts game.

I'd put Brown on it. If he's not going to come back to Week 6 minimum, stash him on IR until Week 8 to give him 2 extra weeks to get back to healthy for the playoff run.

Playoffs? Yes, I said playoffs.

Helu couldn't run a week ago, looked really bad, so maybe him. He's definitely in worse shape than Hightower.

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[quote=Monkeydad;935553]You mean Helu? Hightower is back. He looked good in the Colts game.

I'd put Brown on it. If he's not going to come back to Week 6 minimum, stash him on IR until Week 8 to give him 2 extra weeks to get back to healthy for the playoff run.

Playoffs? Yes, I said playoffs.

Helu couldn't run a week ago, looked really bad, so maybe him. He's definitely in worse shape than Hightower.[/quote]

Hightower was still too sore after the Colts game to see even a small amount of action last night. Obviously stashing anyone besides Brown would involve some gamesmanship.

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I don't believe Brown would be eligible. Besides, the difference between time missed for reserve PUP and IR is negligible

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[quote=Monkeydad;935553]You mean Helu? Hightower is back. He looked good in the Colts game.

I'd put Brown on it. If he's not going to come back to Week 6 minimum, stash him on IR until Week 8 to give him 2 extra weeks to get back to healthy for the playoff run.

Playoffs? Yes, I said playoffs.

[B]Helu couldn't run a week ago, looked really bad, so maybe him. He's definitely in worse shape than Hightower[/B].[/quote]

Did you see Helu last night?

Hightower is still less than a year post knee surgery, I think we need to temper any expectations of him at least early on in the season.

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Lol at Helu being in worse shape than Hightower.

Not only is Hightower coming off an ACL tear, he was outperformed by Helu and Royster last year. He's the weakest link.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;935553]You mean Helu? Hightower is back. He looked good in the Colts game.

I'd put Brown on it. If he's not going to come back to Week 6 minimum, stash him on IR until Week 8 to give him 2 extra weeks to get back to healthy for the playoff run.

Playoffs? Yes, I said playoffs.

Helu couldn't run a week ago, looked really bad, so maybe him. He's definitely in worse shape than Hightower.[/QUOTE]

Helu was a beast last nite- granted i was surprised to see him out there but im thinking you didnt see the game. Also Hightower had really one good run against the Colts. I actually had two good runs against the colts and my grandmother actually had two carries for 11 yards against the colts.
They need to keep all of these guys on the roster.

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;935543]There has to be a way the Skins can take advantage of the new IR activation rule. Who might be a candidate? Hightower?[/quote]minnifield?!? :confused-

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[quote=los panda;935603]minnifield?!? :confused-[/quote]

It doesn't matter, the new "stash a player on IR and bring him back halfway through the season" rule (or something along those lines) was shut down by the NFLPA, so we still have the old rules of IR = done for year anyways.

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[quote=mooby;935620]It doesn't matter, the new "stash a player on IR and bring him back halfway through the season" rule (or something along those lines) was shut down by the NFLPA, so we still have the old rules of IR = done for year anyways.[/quote]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/48771-2012-53-man-roster-predictions-2.html#post935486[/url]

And Minnifield isn't eligible

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[quote=mooby;935620]It doesn't matter, the new "stash a player on IR and bring him back halfway through the season" rule (or something along those lines) was shut down by the NFLPA, so we still have the old rules of IR = done for year anyways.[/quote]i didn't even read the article, i just assumed it was the ir stash rule that had been approved.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/30/nfl-announces-new-trade-deadline-ir-rules/]NFL announces new trade deadline, IR rules | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I'd keep an eye on Larry Asante if the Bucs actually do release him

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[quote=Lotus;935542]I am no great Wrecks fan, as you know. But what if Gryphon (heaven forbid) is lost for the season in game 6? Do we really want Cousins starting 10 games? I don't. I'd prefer the 50% win rate of Wrecks in this scenario. Gotta keep Wrecks...for now.[/quote]

I'd rather Cousins get the starts but Rex get the mop-up duty in the game in which RG got hurt. Early on for a rookie like Cousins you'd like not to drop him into a game with no decent prep. Chances are it'd be disastrous.

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[quote=los panda;935603]minnifield?!? :confused-[/quote]

Chase tore an ACL...he won't be ready 6 weeks. 6 months either.

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[quote=FRPLG;935653]Chase tore an ACL...he won't be ready 6 weeks. 6 months either.[/quote]he tore his acl in practice? i thought he had just aggravated his existing condition/recovery.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;935648]I'd keep an eye on Larry Asante if the Bucs actually do release him[/QUOTE]

Apparently, according to Wikipedia (the most reliable of all sources) he has been released.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;935655]Apparently, according to Wikipedia (the most reliable of all sources) he has been released.[/quote]jokes aside, player pages on wikipedia get updated [B]extremely[/B] quickly. almost immediately

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What about the final cuts at WR? If Robinson doesn't make the team, they can always place him on the practice squad. But another team may claim him. Banks should be in. If Kyle Shanahan can find ways to use Banks on offense, then he can be just as explosive as he is a return man. I would say that Banks made the team. Dezmon Briscoe has been a pleasant surprise. All the dude does is score TDs. He showed during the preseason that he can get open. Anthony Armstrong came on too late in my opinion. He did have that 46 yard grab last night but I don't see how that is enough to measure against the other wide outs competing for a roster spot.

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I would not want to be Shanahan right now... With Banks' speed and return talent, it seems like a hard cut to make for a team that was 6-10 and then 5-11. He's a threat every time he returns the ball. It's the body of work from the other games and training camp that's a concern and he is small and he's got things to learn at the wide out position. He actually played some running back in college so the wildcat option is real for the Redskins should they decide to pull a play like that.

I bet Shanahan keeps more receivers than the general public thinks he will keep.




Hail.

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[quote=dilovestheskins;935667]I would not want to be Shanahan right now... With Banks' speed and return talent, it seems like a hard cut to make for a team that was 6-10 and then 5-11. He's a threat every time he returns the ball. It's the body of work from the other games and training camp that's a concern and he is small and he's got things to learn at the wide out position. He actually played some running back in college so the wildcat option is real for the Redskins should they decide to pull a play like that.

I bet Shanahan keeps more receivers than the general public thinks he will keep.




Hail.[/quote]

Welcome to the board. You do good work for SportsJourney

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[quote=los panda;935654]he tore his acl in practice? i thought he had just aggravated his existing condition/recovery.[/quote]

Nood torn ACL. They were super quiet about it. Josh Wilson didn't know until her got back for training camp.

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[url=http://www.sportingparagon.com/]Sporting Paragon - Offering Washington Redskins and Other Uncut DC Sports Analyses[/url]

Thought this was a good read.

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[url=http://twitpic.com/aqtny7]Here's the Redskins' (meaningless) Week 1 depth cha... on Twitpic[/url]

I not qualified enough to say how much one can read into this but, It seems like Morgan has outplayed Hankerson and Moss will be the primary slot WR. LT depth is hanging by thread. Royster will have to show and prove he can be thee featured back.

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How in the world is Tyler Polumbus starting on an NFL team?

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[quote=GTripp0012;936557]How in the world is Tyler Polumbus starting on an NFL team?[/quote]

Two words: Jammal Brown.

More words: He is always injured, and Willie Smith didn't do enough to take the job, leaving Polumbus as our only option. Hopefully I never have to type those last 5 words again.

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[quote=GTripp0012;936557]How in the world is Tyler Polumbus starting on an NFL team?[/quote]How is Jordan Black our swing OT?

You think you can out question me?

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[quote=los panda;935624]i didn't even read the article, i just assumed it was the ir stash rule that had been approved.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/30/nfl-announces-new-trade-deadline-ir-rules/]NFL announces new trade deadline, IR rules | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

I'm glad both rules finally got approved, I thought when they got shot down for the first time by the NFLPA that it meant they were dead and were likely to never happen. Both are good ideas that will be helpful to almost every team in the league.