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[quote=Monkeydad;932167]Sometimes we feel the same way about your posts.


[B][U]Back to the game that we should have won[/U][/B]...that was the ugliest 57-yard FG ever but I give Gould credit. I don't think I've seen a line drive FG made from that far. I wish one of our two kickers had that leg.

The RT position is really showing itself to be a problem. Polumbus got abused by Israel Idonje. I'm not worried about Griffin's fumble, he slipped on the field and it was very close to being an incomplete pass because his arm was a split second away from going forward.

Banks...doing it again. Another preseason TD that might convince coaches to keep him. One more good return game and I think he'll make it, even though I've been saying all along he wouldn't.

Bears D looked VERY good. I was impressed. I also think Cutler to Marshall is going to be very dangerous this season...they could be pushing Green Bay for the division.[/quote]

:rofl: Did you watch the game? If both starting groups would have stayed Skins would have got beat by 50!!:rofl::vomit::lol:

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For those wondering, Shanahan says Griffin will play the first half and one series in the 3rd quarter. That will be it for him this preseason

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[quote=NC_Skins;932127]That pass was clearly on RGIII.[/quote]

Paul still could have caught that pass. If every pass has to be perfect in order for the receiver to catch it, then that receiver doesn't need to play in the NFL.

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It's obviously time to start Crompton since he has yet to make even one mistake in a preseason game for us.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;932198]For those wondering, Shanahan says Griffin will play the first half and one series in the 3rd quarter. That will be it for him this preseason[/QUOTE]

Pretty much the same thing as last week, huh? I guess that's enough.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;932197]:rofl: Did you watch the game? If both starting groups would have stayed Skins would have got beat by 50!!:rofl::vomit::lol:[/quote]

Pretty sure he was just saying they were lucky to win with that FG... granted who cares about winning or losing these games.

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[quote=Lotus;932201]It's obviously time to start Crompton since he has yet to make even one mistake in a preseason game for us.[/quote]

hehe

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[quote=Lotus;932201]It's obviously time to start Crompton since he has yet to make even one mistake in a preseason game for us.[/quote]

One could equally assert that he has done nothing right. Plus, I heard he grabbed the wrong clipboard while standing on the sideline, accidentally sat in the DL's spot on the bench and talked to the guy in the urinal next to him while taking a piss. What kind of leadership can you expect from a guy like that.

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My notes on the offense:

Too early and way too small sample size to say much about RGIII and/or the offense overall but there are a few things we know.
A rookie QB will miss things and RGIII is no different. In one of his later series, on a 3rd down, he threw high downfield to a WR. It would have been a tough completion no matter what but RGIII was way off. The bigger thing on the play though is we had a TE, I think Davis, open enough across the flat for a 1st down. RGIII will see this on video and learn from it.
The offensive line is very weak at this point, even adjusting for a stout front 7 Chicago boasts. The line doesn't execute most plays well and struggles in both run blocking and pass blocking.
Garcon has neither the speed nor the strength of a true #1 WR. I went back and rewatched all the snaps where we had a view on Garcon and he really doesn't outrun anybody. The play most notable was the downfield bomb that was (incorrectly) called for pass interference. The DB had no trouble keeping up w/ Garcon, but more importantly he had no troube (easily) forcing Garcon out of bounce, which is why the pass interference call would never fly with real refs. I kind of see Garcon as a poor man's, albeit younger, Anquan Boldin. My fear is both the Shanahan's, out of ego, and RGIII, out of inexperience, will force too many shots Garcon's way and the offense suffers for it. Moss is still our best WR and Davis is the best overall downfield target, both coach and QB would be wise to play to this reality.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;932197]:rofl: Did you watch the game? If both starting groups would have stayed Skins would have got beat by 50!!:rofl::vomit::lol:[/quote]

You've exceeded your quota for smiley faces today.

Matty was correct. Did YOU watch that kick? It was ugly. I was shocked it went through. Gould is the man.


Oh and that dropped pass by Niles...it hit him right on both of his hands. That was not on Griffin in any way.

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Tied Gould's own Bears franchise record of 57 yards, by the way.

Thing barely had the height of the crossbar the whole 57 yards.

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Notes on defense:

The secondary is a huge liability, no doubt about it. Wilson is the only decent cover corner. Hall's risk/reward ratio is only positive if he creats at least one turnover every game.
My bigger concern is the front seven. Apart from Kerrigan this group looked weak yesterday. London's absence was unmistakable. Zoe isn't ready to play ILB during the regular season and Riley isn't consistent (yet).
But most importantly it's just not clear what the defense is trying to do. Is it a pressure based defense, or a stout front 7 that punishes the running game?
Someone said Haslett should be sacked. I would say if the FO doesn't see him as part of the picture beyond the Shanahan regime then there's no reason to keep Haslett.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;932217]One could equally assert that he has done nothing right. Plus, I heard he grabbed the wrong clipboard while standing on the sideline, accidentally sat in the DL's spot on the bench and talked to the guy in the urinal next to him while taking a piss. What kind of leadership can you expect from a guy like that.[/quote]

maybe he had a bluetooth in and wasnt actually talking to the guy next to him>? If thats the case I say start him!

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[quote=Monkeydad;932219]You've exceeded your quota for smiley faces today.

Matty was correct. Did YOU watch that kick? It was ugly. I was shocked it went through. Gould is the man.


Oh and that dropped pass by Niles...it hit him right on both of his hands. That was not on Griffin in any way.[/quote]

Correct. At the pro level if the ball hits a receiver in both hands he needs to make the catch. Paul's dropped a ton anyway there's no real defending his hands at this point, but hopefully he improves.

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[quote=The Goat;932218]A rookie QB will miss things and RGIII is no different. In one of his later series, on a 3rd down, he threw high downfield to a WR. It would have been a tough completion no matter what but RGIII was way off. The bigger thing on the play though is we had a TE, I think Davis, open enough across the flat for a 1st down. RGIII will see this on video and learn from it.
[/quote]Really good post, agree on this point 100%, and it was Davis....WIDE OPEN. Just patience and trust in the play development, it will come. RG3 is a very bright guy, he'll get it.

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As you boys point out, Robert is bright....very bright. THAT and his motivation are undoubtedly his best attributes. Of the Rook mistakes he makes....He won't do it long. He'll improve....fast

[QUOTE=iamsrk;932025]It'll be interesting if shanahan decides to start cousins in the next preseason game. After all its preseason, so there's no harm in preparing your second string qbs to take over in the event of rg3 getting injured midseason.[/QUOTE]

Shannahan isn't stupid. If he starts Cousins he opens the door for the BS hype for a qb controversy.

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[quote=The Goat;932224]Notes on defense:

The secondary is a huge liability, no doubt about it. Wilson is the only decent cover corner. Hall's risk/reward ratio is only positive if he creats at least one turnover every game.
My bigger concern is the front seven. Apart from Kerrigan this group looked weak yesterday. London's absence was unmistakable. Zoe isn't ready to play ILB during the regular season and Riley isn't consistent (yet).
But most importantly it's just not clear what the defense is trying to do. Is it a pressure based defense, or a stout front 7 that punishes the running game?
Someone said Haslett should be sacked. I would say if the FO doesn't see him as part of the picture beyond the Shanahan regime then there's no reason to keep Haslett.[/quote]

I hope the Redskin defense isn't slacking off but I understand what you mean. I keep telling myself that it's just preseason and once the games count, the Redskins will get better defensively. The main problem is the secondary just like last season. Kerrigan, Fletcher, Riley, and Orakpo can certainly make plays as long as Carriker, Bowens, Cofield, and whoever else is on the D line find ways to constrict the opposing offensive line much like they did last season. If Cedric Griffin and Brandon Meriweather are not the answers in the defensive backfield, I would expect Jim Haslet and Raheem Morris to make changes. I'm looking forward to seeing Tanard Jackson play safety next Saturday vs. the Colts and lets hope that the rookie CB Crawford continues to shine. Crawford could be in line for the nickel back job if he continues to impress.

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OFFENSIVE LINE NOTEs:

Most of the mistakes and missed assignments came from the 3 TEs set.
The playing calling didn't account for the youth on the OL.
Adam Gettis showed well in the 1st preseason game but it doesn't make sense to have him out there without help.
And it showed he was getting pushed back in the running game and beat in the passing game.
While preseason is an evaluation its also time to prepare a rookie QB and putting him behind an OL that is struggling and not opening up holes doesn't teach him a lot. (except maybe to expect poor pass pro).
Imho they may as well start gameplanning for the players that are on the field right now because they're very likely gonna be the players we go into the season with.
A nit pick I have in the running game is appears that either the OL are in too much of hurry to get to the second level or their being taught that way.
But the end result is often an OL getting to the second level (not always making the block) but his neighbor losing at the point of attack on the LOS.
And if the POA is lost on the LOS it doesn't matter if the other lineman makes it to the second level while the play is being blown up in the backfield.
I don't mean to single out Gettis here, there were plent of OL screwing up (to include Trent Williams).
But, if Gettis is gonna be out there with the 1st unit he's gonna need some help through scheme/playaclling/blocking assignments.

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Once Lichtensteiger and Chester return the offensive line will be back to normal. Against a heavy strong defensive front like the Chicago Bears have, I would expect rookie linemen to struggle. Maurice Hurt played a decent game but right tackle is a concern. Mike Shanahan said in the offseason that Jammal Brown was going to have to prove that he could stay healthy in order to make the team. Well, he has proven once again that he can't stay healthy and the Redskins front office erred greatly in not pursuing a quality veteran right tackle in free agency.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;932239]Really good post, agree on this point 100%, and it was Davis....WIDE OPEN. Just patience and trust in the play development, it will come. RG3 is a very bright guy, he'll get it.[/quote]I'm not saying Griffin didn't make mistakes, he did.
But, I don't agree that Davis was 'wide open'.
I don't have the all 22 and from watching regular TV feed you can't see what Griffin saw before he threw the ball.
You only see how the defenses looks after the ball is halfway to Moss, by which time the defenders are gonna stop covering their previous assignments and follow the ball in flight.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;932247]Once Lichtensteiger and Chester return the offensive line will be back to normal. Against a heavy strong defensive front like the Chicago Bears have, I would expect rookie linemen to struggle. Maurice Hurt played a decent game but right tackle is a concern.[/quote]I don't have that same expectation.
Imo Chester isn't that good to begin with.
And I have to wonder whether two guys coming off injury (one old guy) are going to be better then the guys that have been practicing and playing in games together.

Imo Kory and Chris Chester have to play and look good against the Colts and get a little run against the Bucs to start against the Saints.

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[quote=30gut;932248]I'm not saying Griffin didn't make mistakes, he did.
But, I don't agree that Davis was 'wide open'.
I don't have the all 22 and from watching regular TV feed you can't see what Griffin saw before he threw the ball.
You only see how the defenses looks after the ball is halfway to Moss, by which time the defenders are gonna stop covering their previous assignments and follow the ball in flight.[/quote]I don't have all 22 either...yet. :)
You're 100% right, you can't see coverage downfield on that one and I couldn't see enough to even make an educated guess....but I sure saw a bunch of bodies there.
Possible he and the WR miscommunicated, he may have saw something in coverage that the WR missed or vice versa. But the TE progression was there, he just needed to be 1/2 sec more patient and trust his TE & OL.

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Kory Lichtensteiger isn't expected to play until the season opener in New Orleans. You are probably right in your assessment of Chester. I thought he amounted to something simply because he was a free agent that Shanahan pursued that started a lot of games for us last season. Hopefully, all Gettis and LeRibeus needs is more and more practice time.

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Chester might not be all that, but I'd a lot feel better with him out there over Gettis at this point.

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[quote=hooskins;931883]I'm happy rg3 struggled. Lets see how he reacts. Fumble wasn't all his fault, RB didn't block the blitzer.

Cousins played against backups lolll.[/quote]

And Fred Davis got trucked, which caused RGIII to step into the guy the RB missed. Not always on the O-line. The RBs seem to be having trouble picking up the blitz.

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[quote=Monkeydad;932223]Tied Gould's own Bears franchise record of 57 yards, by the way.

Thing barely had the height of the crossbar the whole 57 yards.

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Undrafted in 2005.

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[quote=30gut;932248]I'm not saying Griffin didn't make mistakes, he did.
But, I don't agree that Davis was 'wide open'.
I don't have the all 22 and from watching regular TV feed you can't see what Griffin saw before he threw the ball.
You only see how the defenses looks after the ball is halfway to Moss, by which time the defenders are gonna stop covering their previous assignments and follow the ball in flight.[/quote]

Actually the broadcast angle shows Davis wide open the whole time, and looking back again he had lots of space to run. It definitely would have been the first down and possibly gone for another 10 yards.

RGIII will learn from this one when he sees the video, but I think you could make the case he was already rattled at this point based on the poor protection.

Toward that point, anyone paying attention saw the Bills defense went vanilla. The Bears played at full speed and absolutely destroyed our line. The right side specifically is just garbage. Polumbus cannot pass protect, period, and Montgomery is struggling badly to run block or pass protect.
Short of a Festivus Miracle the line is going to be a huge liability this season, and I think that should appropriately raise a lot of questions. In it's third year the regime has regressed the oline and its best downfield weapons are the same ones it inherited, Davis and Moss.

Also the more video I watch the slower Garcon looks.

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Good discussion here pertaining to the oLine. 30 I liens reading your break downs as well. You and I had a discussion after the bills game pertaining to the use of the 4th rounder on non oline.

We need some help in that area. I am still holding out some hope that after the cuts coming in the next few weeks we will be able to add a guy here or there with some quality.

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Vick down. Not good for eagles. Who is their 3rd string? I know Kafka's dinged too......

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Durrrrrr...Foles. I knew that.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;932281]Vick down. Not good for eagles. Who is their 3rd string? I know Kafka's dinged too......[/quote]

Arent you in the wrong thread? lol p.s. wasn't Vick hurt earlier?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;932284]Arent you in the wrong thread? lol p.s. wasn't Vick hurt earlier?[/quote]

No no no, you got it all wrong. I only CREATE the useless threads, I try to post in the useful ones......sometimes. lol

Yeah Vick being hurt is nothing new but another few shots to the ribs like he just took and he's not gonna make it 8 games, much less 16.

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O yeah, nevermind, coulda swore this was preseason thread.

Owned myself.

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[quote=The Goat;932271]Actually the broadcast angle shows Davis wide open the whole time, and looking back again he had lots of space to run. It definitely would have been the first down and possibly gone for another 10 yards.

RGIII will learn from this one when he sees the video, but I think you could make the case he was already rattled at this point based on the poor protection.[/quote]I don't think Griffin was rattled in the slightest, possibly annoyed at the protection breakdowns and the playcalling but not rattled.

Maybe I'm misremembering that play but I've watched the game twice already and don't recall Davis being wide open on that play that we could see without seeing it from a different vantage point where you could see the defense and see Griffin prior to releasing the ball to Moss.
What I saw was Griff throwing the pass to Moss then the camera showing Davis as the ball was in flight and yes at that point Davis looked open, but everyone who's not getting the ball looks open once the ball is in the air and the defenders follow the ball in flight.

We can just agree to disagree on this one.

[quote]Toward that point, anyone paying attention saw the Bills defense went vanilla. The Bears played at full speed and absolutely destroyed our line. The right side specifically is just garbage. Polumbus cannot pass protect, period, and Montgomery is struggling badly to run block or pass protect.[/quote]I'm not prone to hyperbole but I agree the right side struggled against the Bears.

I question why they didn't do it last night, but in a regular season game they're gonna gameplan/scheme around the inadequacies as best they can.
Gettis showed promise and with help and time could be equal to Chester.

Polumbus is gonna need help all season, through playcalling/scheme but that really isn't that much different from Jammal Brown.
Personally I think Willie Smith is the better OT between the 2 players, and to my eye he showed it against the Bears.
But I've only seen games (where Smith has held his own) and not practices where supposedly he's struggled.

Monty does get pushed back but Cook is no better and LeRib nor any other OL has taken meaningful reps at center in the games.
If it was up to me I would bump Gettis or LeRib to center, but its kinda late in the game to switch up now.
Monty has the contunuity w/ Griffin and has been the one constant on an ever shuffling OL.


I certainly agree that the FO should have addressed the OT during the offseason but that is moot now.
The brightside is that even with Jammal Brown (one of the league worst OTs) the OL as a unit wasn't terrible and Polumbus is no worse then Brown.
And with good playcalling and a smart RB with good vision this scheme allows for the OL as a unit to better then the sum of its parts.
Hopefully the individual parts step up between now and the Saints game.
I'm banking on Willie Smith and Gettis/LeRib.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;931940]Positive Redskins-related thought: I thought LaRon Landry played a pretty good game.[/QUOTE]

Well he was on the field about as much as he has been the last couple years thats for sure.

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Skip Bayless is a douchebag who should just shut the F...Up!! and hang'em up.

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/08/bayless-says-its-human-nature-to-root-for-white-guy/1#.UDL6A0TgIhg]Bayless: White fans will root for white QB[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;932346]Skip Bayless is a douchebag who should just shut the F...Up!! and hang'em up.

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/08/bayless-says-its-human-nature-to-root-for-white-guy/1#.UDL6A0TgIhg]Bayless: White fans will root for white QB[/url][/quote]

Does anyone really listen to what Bayless says? Isn't he a well known crackpot?

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;932346]Skip Bayless is a douchebag who should just shut the F...Up!! and hang'em up.

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/08/bayless-says-its-human-nature-to-root-for-white-guy/1#.UDL6A0TgIhg]Bayless: White fans will root for white QB[/url][/QUOTE]

Yeah i saw that. He is so dumb its amazing he is even employed. I am one white fan who is not only rooting but possibly in love with a black qb. I could care less if he is green as long as he wins. The only reason i even watch him on tv is because i enjoy the looks he gets from the other guys on the panel. What a d-bag.

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[quote=punch it in;932348]Yeah i saw that. He is so dumb its amazing he is even employed. I am one white fan who is not only rooting but possibly in love with a black qb. I could care less if he is green as long as he wins. The only reason i even watch him on tv is because i enjoy the looks he gets from the other guys on the panel. What a d-bag.[/quote]

I heard on sports radio here in the SF Bay area that he called Redskins fans racist. Why is he even on the air.