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All these Hall cry babies are making me sick. Get the f*ck over it, you can cut Hall fifty times over this season and the team will still have a million problems.

Furthermore, I hate when people cry about people like Carlos Rogers, who played like sh*t for the team and left on his own accord or Laron Landry who also sucked when he played here. You know what? F*CK Rogers and F*CK Landry, they don't play for my team anymore.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944201]Some people are in denial, tell me what has Hall done? He is a below average shit talker who can't backup anything. Wilson is a better CB than Hall and that isn't saying much.[/quote]

Tell me what he HASN'T done this year. I haven't paid a lot of attention to your posts, but damn, someone has a vendetta. Again, I'm not a huge Hall fan, but this year, he hasn't been the problem.

Provide examples, and we will provide, "Dude, you're SO right!" :)

Do not provide those and this carousel will just go round and round and round and round...

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;944180]Good news is that was a lot like GB and Indy when they got their franchise QBs. I hope we can fix it next year or at least adjust this year.[/quote]

We need some secondary help in the off-season. We need that bad.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;944203]Tell me what he HASN'T done this year. I haven't paid a lot of attention to your posts, but damn, someone has a vendetta. Again, I'm not a huge Hall fan, but this year, he hasn't been the problem.

Provide examples, and we will provide, "Dude, you're SO right!" :)

Do not provide those and this carousel will just go round and round and round and round...[/quote]

First play of the game, Hall was supposed to cover Green.

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[quote=Ruhskins;944202]All these Hall cry babies are making me sick. Get the f*ck over it, you can cut Hall fifty times over this season and the team will still have a million problems.

Furthermore, I hate when people cry about people like Carlos Rogers, who played like sh*t for the team and left on his own accord or Laron Landry who also sucked when he played here. You know what? F*CK Rogers and F*CK Landry, they don't play for my team anymore.[/quote]

This is the last thing I'll say about players not on this team anymore, but Rogers was actually a GREAT DB. He was outstanding in run support and played the pass well. He couldn't hold onto INTS and alas, that is his legacy.

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I think Jordan Black's reaction to today's events....."What did you say this game is called"?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944205]First play of the game, Hall was supposed to cover Green.[/quote]

Gomes was covering Green, Fletcher called the entire secondary down for a run. Really, this is your best example? I hate Hall's gaffe just like the next guy, but you need to get over your hate for Hall.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944205]First play of the game, Hall was supposed to cover Green.[/quote]

What about Green beating Wilson? Hawkins beating Crawford?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;944206]This is the last thing I'll say about players not on this team anymore, but Rogers was actually a GREAT DB. He was outstanding in run support and played the pass well. He couldn't hold onto INTS and alas, that is his legacy.[/quote]

Fair point. Unfortunately Rogers wanted to get paid like he held on to those INTs.

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[quote=Evilgrin;944193]Lol, it's not scheme it's poor tackling, bad angles, just all around bad play. We struggle on passing downs, teams victimize whatever LB we have on a WR.[/quote]

True.. seeing 4 LBs out there vs 3+ receiver sets is making me cringe at times.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;944205]First play of the game, Hall was supposed to cover Green.[/QUOTE]

Hall was covering Andy Dalton on the play, Green was one on one with Gomes.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944205]First play of the game, Hall was supposed to cover Green.[/quote]

That was Gomes. Hall was on Dalton.

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[quote=Ruhskins;944208]Gomes was covering Green, Fletcher called the entire secondary down for a run. Really, this is your best example? I hate Hall's gaffe just like the next guy, but you need to get over your hate for Hall.[/quote]

Who was covering Green all day? How did it turn out? How long is Hall been in the league and how long has Green been in the league?

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;944206]This is the last thing I'll say about players not on this team anymore, but Rogers was actually a GREAT DB. He was outstanding in run support and played the pass well. He couldn't hold onto INTS and alas, that is his legacy.[/QUOTE]

This. Also yeah, it's starting to get annoying to hear all the bitching about players not here anymore. Let's focus on players who are here alright?

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;944118]I somewhat agree with this. Wonder if they should have gone after Carr in the off-season as compared to Garcon or Morgan? I realize our WRs were shitty, but so are our DBs.


In a way, I think they are in a no-win situation. If they go out in FA and address pricey DBs acquisitions , then the WR and OL suffers. If they address pricey OL acquisitions, then the WR and DBs suffer. If they address pricey WR acquisitions, the DBs and OL suffer.

You only have but so many resources (picks and cap room), but STILL with a ton of holes left on this team. Injuries are simply killing this team right now though. That and stupidity. (aka..smoking weed and failing drug tests)[/QUOTE]

Hall by himself is taking up six million in cap. Then when you consider how much it took to get RG3...I'm thinking resources aren't the problem. Landry is making less this year than Meriweather. This is strictly a talent evaluation issue.

What we've learned from Garçon being injured is that our receivers are in good shape even without Morgan and garçon. Moss played maybe the third or fourth most snaps of anyone today at we because Banks is more useful in an option package and Robinson/hanker son are just better players. They've drafted well at receiver because they placed a high value on the position. Garçon is a nice piece to have on your team but I disagree that this is a resource issue. The front office simply failed to see the issues at offensive tackle and db, evidenced by jammal brown and d hall making the roster despite high cap numbers.

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Willie Smith...he played terrible this summer and played his way off the team. Did Black beat him out? Tough to say, but just because he's starting in Oakland doesn't mean it was a mistake to release him from here

D. Hall...doesn't seem to be much grey area when it comes to fans' opinions of him. I think because of his talking his actual play probably doesn't often get the respect it deserves.

Carlos Rogers...He and the Redskins were very close to agreeing to a long term deal back in 2010. But then, realizing he had pissed away his earnings and was flat out broke he asked for the moon. Redskins said no. Then Rogers went shopping his talents around the league and everyone laughed at his request and said no (lockout, of course, didn't help). Finally he had to settle for a one year deal. Could we have gotten back in the mix on a one year deal? Possibly. But what do you do? Take a chance on a one year deal with Carlos and then see him walk or just lock in Wilson long term?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944214]Who was covering Green all day? How did it turn out? How long is Hall been in the league and how long has Green been in the league?[/quote]

Green is a better player than Hall period. But that's no reason to pin the whole game on Hall or pretend like he was the only one that f*cked up. I'm sorry dude, but your little vendetta against Hall is almost laughable at times and tiring at others.

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[quote=Ruhskins;944218]Green is a better player than Hall period. But that's no reason to pin the whole game on Hall or pretend like he was the only one that f*cked up. I'm sorry dude, but your little vendetta against Hall is almost laughable at times and tiring at others.[/quote]

I always just ignore those posts.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944205]First play of the game, Hall was supposed to cover Green.[/quote]

Pretty much sums up your lack of understanding of what's going on and just zeroing in on Hall because of something you read on twitter.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;944209]What about Green beating Wilson? Hawkins beating Crawford?[/quote]

I haven't watched the replays yet but I wonder where the hell was the safety help over top on these long TDs?????? I am wondering if any of these were a result of Haslett's cover 0 (remember last year 3rd and forever against Dallas).

With every long TD pass there should be atleast 2 people on defense getting beat deep IMO- the corner AND the safety. Not just the corner in man IMO. What happens if he is in man coverage slips (like wilson did)? Throw cover 0 out of the playbook.

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[quote=Ruhskins;944218]Green is a better player than Hall period. But that's no reason to pin the whole game on Hall or pretend like he was the only one that f*cked up. I'm sorry dude, but your little vendetta against Hall is almost laughable at times and tiring at others.[/quote]

Sure, let's see his pro bowl performances in future games. I'll eat crow if that happens.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944222]Sure, let's see his pro bowl performances in future games. I'll eat crow if that happens.[/quote]

You were b*tching about Hall when he had a 4-pick game against the Bears.

And I am by no means defending Hall, as a matter of fact I think he is on his way out b/c he's declining as a player. But I don't go on irrational rants just because I don't like him.

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Good: RG3 and the Offense. While there are some inconsistencies and RGIII is putting his body at risk, Kyle has this offense going well without their number one, which is what is amazing. When Garcon comes back, I think that will add another awesome dimension.

Bad: How can a defense, with very few pieces changing, be so much worse? Is it because people had such a lead on us that many teams would just run the ball?

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Geesh. Hall is the least of the defenses problem.

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Yeah it seems like the reason the defense may have looked better in previous years is that opposing offenses didn't have to look so good.

I've been quite disappointed with Jenkins so far.

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[quote=mooby;944215]This. Also yeah, it's starting to get annoying to hear all the bitching about players not here anymore. Let's focus on players who are here alright?[/quote]It's legit to complain about poor personnel decisions when good players are allowed to leave. Paying D. Hall huge dollars was a mistake. That money would have been better spent to keep Rogers, a far superior pass and run defender. He even started catching the ball at SF.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;944228]Geesh. Hall is the least of the defenses problem.[/quote]

This.

There is something fundamentally wrong with the secondary. Hall, Wilson, Gomes and Crawford were getting beat out there today.

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[quote=imaskin4life;944221]I haven't watched the replays yet but I wonder where the hell was the safety help over top on these long TDs?????? I am wondering if any of these were a result of Haslett's cover 0 (remember last year 3rd and forever against Dallas).

With every long TD pass there should be atleast 2 people on defense getting beat deep IMO- the corner AND the safety. Not just the corner in man IMO. What happens if he is in man coverage slips (like wilson did)? Throw cover 0 out of the playbook.[/quote]

Yeah we aren't good enough for the cover 0 look for the most part.

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;944210]Fair point. Unfortunately Rogers wanted to get paid like he held on to those INTs.[/QUOTE]

The problem started when the Redskins decided to take their principled stand against their best defensive players like Rogers and Fletcher (even though that deal got done) and then went out and spent $12 mil in cap this year on Meriweather, ced griffin, and hall. There are still bad contracts here, but fewer good players.

It's one thing to let Rogers walk in 2011 so the can get Brandon Carr in 2012. It's another thing to let him walk and then spend on Cedric griffin.

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And offensively I think it's wrong not to trust RG3 on 4th downs. That's cost us two weeks in a row

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944222]Sure, let's see his pro bowl performances in future games. I'll eat crow if that happens.[/quote]

Even if he doesn't make the pro bowl he is still better than our #3 corner on this team - that makes him a starter here.

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[quote=SouperMeister;944232]It's legit to complain about poor personnel decisions when good players are allowed to leave. Paying D. Hall huge dollars was a mistake. That money would have been better spent to keep Rogers, a far superior pass and run defender. He even started catching the ball at SF.[/quote]

Letting good people go/signing horrible players have been happening since the Casserly days. Why this is still surprising and upsetting to people now is mind-boggling to me.

There's something wrong when you're longing for players of the past and not thinking the players you have are even worth the effort to try and support.

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[quote=SouperMeister;944232]It's legit to complain about poor personnel decisions when good players are allowed to leave. Paying D. Hall huge dollars was a mistake. That money would have been better spent to keep Rogers, a far superior pass and run defender. He even started catching the ball at SF.[/quote]

But he wasn't catching the ball here. And again, it wasn't an either/or situation. They were prepared to keep both.

But it seems like the players are always the good guys. Like guys like Rogers and even Fletcher can never be greedy

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[quote=SmootSmack;944236]And offensively I think it's wrong not to trust RG3 on 4th downs. That's cost us two weeks in a row[/quote]

Or Morris...the dude is always moving forward with the ball.

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[quote=SmootSmack;944236]And offensively I think it's wrong not to trust RG3 on 4th downs. That's cost us two weeks in a row[/quote]

Yup, no matter what, we haven't LOST yardage on any designed runs this year (that I can remember). If it's fourth and one, why not line up in shotgun, let him run, and if the defense gives it to him, throw a quick pass.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;944240]But he wasn't catching the ball here. And again, it wasn't an either/or situation. They were prepared to keep both.

But it seems like the players are always the good guys. Like guys like Rogers and even Fletcher can never be greedy[/QUOTE]

Rogers wanted out right?? I mean what did they want the skins to do? Offer an avg CB. 80 million dollars?

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[quote=GTripp0012;944235]The problem started when the Redskins decided to take their principled stand against their best defensive players like Rogers and Fletcher (even though that deal got done) and then went out and spent $12 mil in cap this year on Meriweather, ced griffin, and hall. There are still bad contracts here, but fewer good players.

It's one thing to let Rogers walk in 2011 so the can get Brandon Carr in 2012. It's another thing to let him walk and then spend on Cedric griffin.[/quote]

How about letting Landry, the 6th overall pick walk away and get nothing for him and Rogers the 9th overall. Not even a 7th round pick for either.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;944214]Who was covering Green all day? How did it turn out? How long is Hall been in the league and how long has Green been in the league?[/quote]


I'm the original D-Hall hater up in this joint,(I think), but there were catches that Green made today that were of no fault to D-Hall. I mean this one in particular D-Hall was all over him and dude still made this incredible catch. You can't ask your DB to do more than that. The TD by Green? I can't finger that on D-Hall unless I know the type of defense they were in, but it probably was Gomes fault if I had to guess. Need to see it again. Now granted, D-Hall did get burnt a few times today, but that's not slouch that he was going against. In a couple years, he'll be this league's best WR.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;944245]Rogers wanted out right?? I mean what did they want the skins to do? Offer an avg CB. 80 million dollars?[/quote]

Never forget... Haynesworth. :woot:

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Several declining players on defense, fletcher is having big issues with pass coverage. Kinda funny watching Ray Lewis play right now, and he is nowhere close to the player he was a few years ago.