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[quote=mredskins;947728]Yup, let me be clear I love this board. I think you and Matty both do a bang up job and if not for this board I probably have given up on the Skins awhile ago.

With that said I think you are putting lipstick on a pig.

Even you said a few days back you got tired of the Wizards and their management and basically gave up on them. Some of us on here today kind of feel the same about the Skins right now (though I am not giving up; I am more or less saying I am disappointed in the product).

I have made very valid points so be it and you have a right to your opinion so be that but when the day is done I bet 99% of this board is not happy at where the Skins are right now in year 3 of MS and company. I think if this ship was on course we should be 4-o or 3-1 at this point considering our schedule thus far.[/quote]

I don't do anything for this board but post.

I don't see the pig you do. But some would say this means I must not be as big a fan.

Yeah I think we should be 3-1, but we're 2-2. And I think there are plenty of positives to take away from the 1st quarter of this season

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We are 2-2, miggets beat tampa hay! and people call tampa hay a young up & coming team we beat tampa and all we hear is there not that good. People have to remember what they said the week before self included.

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[quote=mredskins;947737]Also moving forward please don't say my ideas are ****ing idiotic. I never have or never would disrespect your opinions that way and would appreciated if you extended me the same respect.[/quote]

Fair enough

Before this all gets out of hand and ugly lets all remember one thing. I am not being overly pessimistic or optimistic here. Almost (minus the ravens with dilfer) every championship team is built around a qb We have one - just got him actually. He looks like he is ready to challenge to be one of the best of all time! I will agree whole heartedly with ss on something too - when we drafted him did u think it had nothing to do with his ability to run? He is smart. He takes hits but i did see him smartly run out of bounds yesterday and ive seen him throw the ball away when necessary this year. Every qb in the league takes hits but for When ur qb is a rookie and a great one at that they are going to be magnified. Especially when your franchise hasnt had a qb in twenty years! Rg3 will put this team on his back and will them to greater and greater things as his career progresses so regardless of ur thoughts on his coaches - take solace in that. Now where ever you are put down what you have in your hands or pull over and point ur fingers to the heavens and chant with me .....RG3 RG3 RG3!!!!!

[QUOTE=Mattyk;947743]Really?

He's only on pace for 4,000 yards passing and 1,000 rushing.[/QUOTE]

I meant when they take their feet off the gas during the games Matty. For instance - two minutes left in the first half and we are running the ball instead of doing whAt we did during the two min drive at the end of the game. We have rg3. They should hAve gone for the throat at the end of the half.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;947479]Good:

[B]RGIII he won the game, he's on pace for a season with over 4000 passing yards and 1000 rushing yards. The trade was worth every pick.[/B]
Morris
Trent Williams
Kerrigan
Bowen
Morgan
Davis

Bad:

Cundiff
Secondary
Garçon dumb penalty
Looking at Haslett on the sidelines[/quote]

I was one of the few that was against it. It was a lot to give up and not having two number 1's is going to really hurt. But I'm starting to believe that perhaps it was worth it. It still needs to play itself out though. RG3 does things that simply don't show up it the stat sheet, and the stuff that does show up in the stat sheet is impressive.

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[quote=punch it in;947749]I meant when they take their feet off the gas during the games Matty. For instance - two minutes left in the first half and we are running the ball instead of doing whAt we did during the two min drive at the end of the game. We have rg3. They should hAve gone for the throat at the end of the half.[/quote]

I agree. I still think Kyle has the hand cuffs on a little bit.

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[quote=SmootSmack;947747]Fair enough[/quote]

No worries we all get caught up in the moment from time to time.


In the end like you said we are 2-2; really this whole conversation should be tabled until the end of the season; when we have a full 3 year sample of MS and company.

At this point really I just be over whelmed with excitement if they can Jim H. and replace him with Miss Piggy (pig with lipstick). Certainly she could do a better job then him.

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I don't think there are any handcuffs on RG3. I have seen more different types of plays by this Redskins team than I have in 20 years. Spread Option, Triple Option, Spread runs, Play Action, Bootlegs, QB sneaks, someone tell me where the handcuffs are and what we are not seeing that they are holding back on. Heck, even the pitch, latteral, deep ball happened yesterday.

[QUOTE=scowan;947755]I don't think there are any handcuffs on RG3. I have seen more different types of plays by this Redskins team than I have in 20 years. Spread Option, Triple Option, Spread runs, Play Action, Bootlegs, QB sneaks, someone tell me where the handcuffs are and what we are not seeing that they are holding back on. Heck, even the pitch, latteral, deep ball happened yesterday.[/QUOTE]

I gave you an example. Up 21 -6 with two minutes left at the end of the first half - we put the handcuffs on. We have to remember that our d is not on par with our o and go for the throat there.

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Onto the poll, I honestly don't know how to choose between the 3 selections.

RGIII stands alone(on the Skins) in his ability to sprint for touchdowns, read the defense and get the job done at the closing bell. Does anyone else have the feeling that the lack of chaos (read replacement refs) at the end of the games would have made a huge difference in our last few games? How you don't choose him for MVP of the week I just don't know. BUT

Alfred Morris put up 100+ against a defense that had limited DeMarco Murray, the Giants and Cam Newton/Panthers combined to less than 100. He had a Riggo type run to the endzone from the 39 yd line, and d*** if every time he is pushing that pile you don't think he's gonna get one ... more ..... yard. SO I guess he ought to get it, EXCEPT,

RK really is making the other offenses account for him, and our d needs that.


Who am i kidding LOL

RG3

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;947757]Onto the poll, I honestly don't know how to choose between the 3 selections.

RGIII stands alone(on the Skins) in his ability to sprint for touchdowns, read the defense and get the job done at the closing bell. Does anyone else have the feeling that the lack of chaos (read replacement refs) at the end of the games would have made a huge difference in our last few games? How you don't choose him for MVP of the week I just don't know. BUT

Alfred Morris put up 100+ against a defense that had limited DeMarco Murray, the Giants and Cam Newton/Panthers combined to less than 100. He had a Riggo type run to the endzone from the 39 yd line, and d*** if every time he is pushing that pile you don't think he's gonna get one ... more ..... yard. SO I guess he ought to get it, EXCEPT,

RK really is making the other offenses account for him, and our d needs that.


Who am i kidding LOL

RG3[/QUOTE]

What about Cundiff kicking the game winner! Who cares if he misses 37 of them - he was obviously keeping it close so he could win the game and win the poll.
Of course RG3.

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[quote=punch it in;947756]I gave you an example. Up 21 -6 with two minutes left at the end of the first half - we put the handcuffs on. We have to remember that our d is not on par with our o and go for the throat there.[/quote]

What plays would you have had them run?

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[quote=punch it in;947749]I meant when they take their feet off the gas during the games Matty. For instance - two minutes left in the first half and we are running the ball instead of doing whAt we did during the two min drive at the end of the game. We have rg3. They should hAve gone for the throat at the end of the half.[/quote]

Well you do have to balance the fact that he is a rookie and in that spot up 21-6 the last thing you want is a huge swing in momentum with a pick 6 or something. Overall they've done a great job with him.

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Remember the blocked put in the aint's game, that swung momentum.

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[quote=Mattyk;947762]Well you do have to balance the fact that he is a rookie and in that spot up 21-6 the last thing you want is a huge swing in momentum with a pick 6 or something. Overall they've done a great job with him.[/quote]

Right now I think I trust him more than any other player or unit on the team. Going forward I think I'd like to see them shift towards letting him control the situations rather than simply controlling the situations for him. By my eyes he's ready.

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[quote=SmootSmack;947761]What plays would you have had them run?[/quote]

Well in Madden they go for it on 4th down on our own 20 and throw deep balls to Garcon on 3 consecutive plays .

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[quote=Mattyk;947762]Well you do have to balance the fact that he is a rookie and in that spot up 21-6 the last thing you want is a huge swing in momentum with a pick 6 or something. Overall they've done a great job with him.[/quote]
and we knew we get the ball coming out of halftime.

[QUOTE=Bucket;947769]Well in Madden they go for it on 4th down on our own 20 and throw deep balls to Garcon on 3 consecutive plays .[/QUOTE]

It wasnt fourth and twenty. It was first and ten with two minutes left in the half so not sure where you are coming from? SS they have certainly showed the ability to move the ball down field in a number of ways so take your pick. My point was that they were content to go into the half up 21 -6.
Saints game was another example yes. Moving the ball at will but during the two min drill at half instead of going for the throat. We clammed up and it cost us a td on the blocked punt. Jeez guys you know its ok to second guess some things the skins do - im not going to call you a bad fan. Really.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;947762]Well you do have to balance the fact that he is a rookie and in that spot up 21-6 the last thing you want is a huge swing in momentum with a pick 6 or something. Overall they've done a great job with him.[/QUOTE]

He isnt playing like a rookie. In the saints game our apprehensiveness cost us 7 the other wAy. I have seen nothing from rg3 that tells me he will fold under pressure and throw a pick six. If he does he does. Im never ever going to say " oh my god - they should have sat on that lead and not let rg3 throw because he was moving the ball at will! ". Ever.
Also matty dont get me wrong. I think they are doing a great job with rg3. Im just saying dont stop doing it when you get a lead. Lol

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[quote=punch it in;947772]It wasnt fourth and twenty. It was first and ten with two minutes left in the half so not sure where you are coming from? SS they have certainly showed the ability to move the ball down field in a number of ways so take your pick. My point was that they were content to go into the half up 21 -6.
Saints game was another example yes. Moving the ball at will but during the two min drill at half instead of going for the throat. We clammed up and it cost us a td on the blocked punt. Jeez guys you know its ok to second guess some things the skins do - im not going to call you a bad fan. Really.[/quote]

I don't think they were content at all. Are you saying they should have gone deep or something?

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[quote=mredskins;947737]Also moving forward please don't say my ideas are ****ing idiotic. I never have or never would disrespect your opinions that way and would appreciated if you extended me the same respect.[/quote]

Good for you bro. I've been pretty disappointed in the name-calling as of late, which almost uniformly seems to come from Shanny apologists.

Name-calling from mods though is extra lame...kinda reminiscent of ES if you ask me.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/10/1/3436220/recapping-redskins-win-over-buccaneers-in-saved-by-the-bell-animated]Recapping Redskins Win over Buccaneers in Saved By the Bell Animated Gifs - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=The Goat;947776]Good for you bro. I've been pretty disappointed in the name-calling as of late, which almost uniformly seems to come from Shanny apologists.

Name-calling from mods though is extra lame...kinda reminiscent of ES if you ask me.[/quote]

Agitated posting begets agitated posting. And some posts ARE just totally ***ing idiotic. Not saying I agree in this particular case (or not) but in general I think when bad ideas are brought up they should be pointed out.

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Play-calling was most definitely an issue in the 2nd half, and in combo with the secondary it allowed the Bucs back in the game. I don't remember a single deep pass in the 2nd half. Not that we're connecting on a lot, but the threat of it is worth the risk, and even if it's picked the field position on a deep pick isn't scary like a turnover near the LOS.

Bottom line is if we're going to have any chance of winning a few more games (looking at the schedule) this offense, and I'm referring to coaching/play-calling here, needs to put 4 quarters of football together. Since week 1 I think we've seen about two good quarters from the offense in each game.

Obviously the same goes for defense, but I don't wanna seem greedy :)

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;947774]I don't think they were content at all. Are you saying they should have gone deep or something?[/QUOTE]
They ran the ball twice i believe. They certainly looked content to me. I dont think deep was imperative. We had almost two minutes. Im sayin metriculate the ball down the field. There was an obvious difference between the two min drive at the half and the one at the end of the game rite?? There was urgency at the end and pressure beyond belief and rg3 went down and got points. If we had urgency at the end of half maybe the game would have been in the bag. Credskin you said we knew we were gettin the ball in the second half. So what though? Is it a crime to pour it on. Lol. We also knew our d was probably going to come back down to earth in the second half.

[QUOTE=FRPLG;947778]Agitated posting begets agitated posting. And some posts ARE just totally ***ing idiotic. Not saying I agree in this particular case (or not) but in general I think when bad ideas are brought up they should be pointed out.[/QUOTE]

Its all opinion for the most part bro. So i dont think anything is an "idiotic idea". I mean if you are going to say grossman is better than rg3 than thats one thing. What we have on this board are people who believe the skins are on the rite track and people who think they may not be. However we all Hope they are and if it wasnt for some minor differences in opinion or thought this would be a terribly boring place to visit. So instead of people wAnting to twist words around and go to extremes maybe we can just listen - digest - and agree or disagree. I mean Bucket just because People want to see the skins try and get points everytime they have the ball with two mins left does not mean we play madden and want to throw three bombs. Lol

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Okay. Slowly emerging from the debbie downers to enjoy the victory. While I long for a game ending "Victory Formation". I don't think we will be seeing one of those for a bit and shouldn't have expected it.

We lost our best D player and someone who the D was intended to be built around. If he was still playing, I think we are 3-1 and this game was nearly as close. Who knows.

On offense, sorry. Anyone calling for MS or KS heads right now, are you seeing the point production I am? Sure, the D's we've been playing have not been the best in the league, but they aren't exactly pansies either. TBay was the number 1 rush defense (admittedly in part b/c their back end is as bad as ours) - we handled them. The offense is working and working well. We have had four games of 24 points or more. Let me say that again - FOUR GAMES OF 24 POINTS OR MORE. I cannot remember that happening. The number of hits on Griff was substantially reduced this week. The line, still a weak point, is (seemingly) playing better as the season goes on. The coaches are putting RGIII in a position produce points and possibly win the game, and he is doing more than we could have expected a rookie to do. Not as much as we maybe hoped, but more than we had a right to expect. He's both physically and mentally tougher than [I]anyone[/I] gave him credit for at the beginning of the year. All those stories we drooled over about his character barely scratched the surface.

The D needs to tighten up. If it can, we can win more games than we lose. I don't know if it can, b/c I don't know if it has the personnel to play the type of pressure D MS/JH want it to do and I don't know if MS/JH know how to adjust for the loss of Orakpo and Carriker.

As others have said, we simply aren't good enough to blow teams out. Maybe by the back-end of the season, our O starts being the scary good it can be. Maybe, by the back end of the season, some of the young O-line can step up. I got nothing on D except prayers that JH has a come-to-Jesus moment and gets it turned around.

From this point on, except for the Cleveland game, I don't see us favored to beat anyone on the schedule (maybe the Panthers at home). I think we stealing a few that we should lose and maybe, just maybe, break .500 mark. All the NFC East teams are flawed and I don't think anyone in the Division is unbeatable.

It's early, we have a tough schedule and our D needs to get it's sh** together. We have a long ways to go, hopefully, it is exciting football all the way to the final Dallas game.

HTTR

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As for those calling for Cooley - I'm just not seeing it, Paul makes a clutch catch, makes some good kick off returns and is, otherwise, a beast on ST. I haven't seen large portions of a couple of the games, has he had the dropsies? It seems to me he hasn't been targeted but that Keim and a couple other beat writers have said his blocking is more than adequate. Not sure what Cooley adds as a recieving threat or blocker that isn't better spent on Paul getting a full season under his belt at a new position.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;947785]As for those calling for Cooley - I'm just not seeing it, Paul makes a clutch catch, makes some good kick off returns and is, otherwise, a beast on ST. I haven't seen large portions of a couple of the games, has he had the dropsies? It seems to me he hasn't been targeted but that Keim and a couple other beat writers have said his blocking is more than adequate. Not sure what Cooley adds as a recieving threat or blocker that isn't better spent on Paul getting a full season under his belt at a new position.[/quote]

yes on the dropsies - and i believe he had a really dumb penalty at a somewhat crucial moment yesterday - i forget rite now.

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Looks like DeAngelo Hall didn't make the trip with the team and stayed in Tampa to evaluate some injury he suffered. Hope it's nothing serious.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;947784]Okay. Slowly emerging from the debbie downers to enjoy the victory. While I long for a game ending "Victory Formation". I don't think we will be seeing one of those for a bit and shouldn't have expected it.

We lost our best D player and someone who the D was intended to be built around. If he was still playing, I think we are 3-1 and this game was nearly as close. Who knows.

On offense, sorry. Anyone calling for MS or KS heads right now, are you seeing the point production I am? Sure, the D's we've been playing have not been the best in the league, but they aren't exactly pansies either. TBay was the number 1 rush defense (admittedly in part b/c their back end is as bad as ours) - we handled them. The offense is working and working well. We have had four games of 24 points or more. Let me say that again - FOUR GAMES OF 24 POINTS OR MORE. I cannot remember that happening. The number of hits on Griff was substantially reduced this week. The line, still a weak point, is (seemingly) playing better as the season goes on. The coaches are putting RGIII in a position produce points and possibly win the game, and he is doing more than we could have expected a rookie to do. Not as much as we maybe hoped, but more than we had a right to expect. He's both physically and mentally tougher than [I]anyone[/I] gave him credit for at the beginning of the year. All those stories we drooled over about his character barely scratched the surface.

The D needs to tighten up. If it can, we can win more games than we lose. I don't know if it can, b/c I don't know if it has the personnel to play the type of pressure D MS/JH want it to do and I don't know if MS/JH know how to adjust for the loss of Orakpo and Carriker.

As others have said, we simply aren't good enough to blow teams out. Maybe by the back-end of the season, our O starts being the scary good it can be. Maybe, by the back end of the season, some of the young O-line can step up. I got nothing on D except prayers that JH has a come-to-Jesus moment and gets it turned around.

From this point on, except for the Cleveland game, I don't see us favored to beat anyone on the schedule (maybe the Panthers at home). I think we stealing a few that we should lose and maybe, just maybe, break .500 mark. All the NFC East teams are flawed and I don't think anyone in the Division is unbeatable.

It's early, we have a tough schedule and our D needs to get it's sh** together. We have a long ways to go, hopefully, it is exciting football all the way to the final Dallas game.

HTTR[/quote]


Yes sir. If we get the pass defense to play at an above average level this team could make the playoffs and then who knows what might happen. Not saying we can't do it this year but one more year of draft and shuffling FA we should be playoff bound and anything less unacceptable.

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I think at the end of the first half it was more about lack of execution than anything else. I also think the Tampa D at the end of the game was giving up a lot more underneath because they didn't fear a long Cundiff attempt.

And I know, I know I'm a Kyle apologist, a kool aid drinker, etc...but I'm not sure I'll ever understand why fans spent so long saying Mike and Kyle are too stubborn, too unwilling to play to their player's talents. That the offense does nothing. But when the offense does something and we do play to our player's talents they get grief for that too. I mean what do you want exactly?

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[quote=punch it in;947781]They ran the ball twice i believe. They certainly looked content to me. I dont think deep was imperative. We had almost two minutes. Im sayin metriculate the ball down the field. There was an obvious difference between the two min drive at the half and the one at the end of the game rite?? There was urgency at the end and pressure beyond belief and rg3 went down and got points. If we had urgency at the end of half maybe the game would have been in the bag. Credskin you said we knew we were gettin the ball in the second half. So what though? Is it a crime to pour it on. Lol. We also knew our d was probably going to come back down to earth in the second half.[/quote]

I like that kind of aggression, especially when the other team seems to be playing in a "prevent" defense but sometimes conservative play calling has its place. I was personally dissappointed to see us go conservative at the end of the half but I understood that they were probably concerned about the possibility of stopping the clock and giving TB just enough time to score 3 or 6 on our weak defense just before the end of the half.

I agree that with RG3 we should certainly stay more aggressive than usual but to ALWAYS stay aggressive is going overboard. It is the inverse of being too conservative.

If there was any lack of confidence from MS/KS in RG3's ability to run the 2 minute drill before this game I would be willing to bet that they are CERTAINLY more confident now, after the two-minute drill at the end when the headset failed. I don't think there is enough evidence to have reason for concern there.

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Geesh. From the pregame collision:

Meriweather - MRI but minor
Aldrick Robinson - concussion, was knocked out for a minute!

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/09/30/brandon-meriweather-to-undergo-mri-on-knee/"]Brandon Meriweather to undergo MRI on knee[/URL]

When the score became 21-19...my wife asked me if the Skins are cursed in some way. Freak incidents like this make me wonder...

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I for one am ecstatic about the play of our offense. I would like to see alittle more of the "urge to kill" factor. I believe this team is capable of winning on any given sunday. partly because for years now we are in almost every game, and also the parody of the league this year i think allows for it. I will be disappointed as a Redskins fan if we dont make the playoffs this year because - well - im a Redskins fan. If we dont make the playoffs again next year I will be in a deep depression because I think that will mean it is almost time start over again. uggh.

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[quote=imaskin4life;947792]

I agree that with RG3 we should certainly stay more aggressive than usual but to ALWAYS stay aggressive is going overboard. It is the inverse of being too conservative.

[/quote]

Yes - when we have a lead of two touchdowns and there is under 5 minutes to play it is ok to take your foot off the pedal and milk the clock. Or of course if your backed up on your own one and its a close game you may want to go conservative and live to fight another day - agreed conservative has its place
yeah how great was that two min drive man? holy cannolis

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[quote=punch it in;947796]I for one am ecstatic about the play of our offense. I would like to see alittle more of the "urge to kill" factor. I believe this team is capable of winning on any given sunday. partly because for years now we are in almost every game, and also the parody of the league this year i think allows for it. I will be disappointed as a Redskins fan if we dont make the playoffs this year because - well - im a Redskins fan. If we dont make the playoffs again next year I will be in a deep depression because I think that will mean it is almost time start over again. uggh.[/quote]

After every game we lose I wake up from a trance two hours later while I am doing something illegal.

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[quote=punch it in;947799]Yes - when we have a lead of two touchdowns and there is under 5 minutes to play it is ok to take your foot off the pedal and milk the clock. Or of course if your backed up on your own one and its a close game you may want to go conservative and live to fight another day - agreed conservative has its place
[B]yeah how great was that two min drive man? holy cannolis[/B][/quote]

It's been great every time he does it - rams, bengals, and bucs. every time

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this is the most confusing Post Game Reaction thread of all time.

We won; people still pissed or wondering why. We won; people hate Shanny. We are 2-2 after the first 4; we are the worst team in football. RG3 is exceeding all expections along with the offense; why hasnt Shanny turned this team around? We won; people are mad at the kool aid.

I must be confused about the expectations of this team.