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[quote=SmootSmack;950321]Many of his passes, even the completions, didn't look accurate. He was throwing low, throwing behind receivers. If I were to lay the smack down...RG3, Kyle Shanahan, Cundiff, and Madieu Williams would get it[/quote]

That stood out to me as well. Receivers seemed to be spinning and turning on even short passes and screens. The play before RG3 got hurt would have been a TD if the pass wasn't thrown behind Garçon. Also, it seems like every pass is to the middle of the field 10-20 yards past the line of scrimmage. I feel like teams are going to take that part of the field away and force more throws to the sidelines and over the top.

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/falcons-24-redskins-17-ten-observations/article/2510067#.UHLCLbT1CWg]Falcons 24, Redskins 17: Ten Observations | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/rg3-report-falcons-24-redskins-17/article/2510064#.UHLJpbT1CWg]RG3 Report: Falcons 24, Redskins 17 | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;950323]I don't know how you come to your conclusions. Not a serious football team, goofy kiddo. I really don't get it. But whatever, it's your opinion.[/quote]

You're just not intelligent enough to get it.

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[quote=The Goat;950335]Wait, don't I get credit for questioning it when he was signed!! lol

To kind of bring things full circle on Mike's (umpteenth) FA mistake, I know some folks asked if anyone (probably me especially though) would still prefer Gaffney or some other average, veteran WR. I don't see how anyone would prefer otherwise.

Gaffney or another WR would have commanded $1 million/year guaranteed money, at the most. We're paying Garcon $5 million + per year in guaranteed money. Is Garcon five times more valuable than an average, veteran WR? Will he be five times for valuable that the avg, bet WR in any year of his career? LOL, he's not even twice as valuable. He's maybe the 3rd best WR on the roster. Will he be targeted a lot yet this season? Sure. Will he have the most TDs of the WR corp? Probably, given how much the offense is willing to sacrifice to get him the ball already. Will that prove he's better than Moss, worthy of the contract, or deserves to start? (Right now my starters would be Moss and Hankerson, with Garcon and Morgan and Robinson battling to be the the "3rd option")[/quote]

I soon as saw the "sign Gaffney" - I stopped reading. We get it Goat. We are all idiots for thinking Garcon was a good signing. Fire the coach and front office today.

Now what's your plan?

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[quote=Mattyk;950386][url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/rg3-report-falcons-24-redskins-17/article/2510064#.UHLJpbT1CWg]RG3 Report: Falcons 24, Redskins 17 | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url][/quote]

[I]4.This is his second concussion in less than a year. Griffin suffered a concussion last November while at Baylor trying to get away from a pass rush. He went to slide, took a forearm to the head and his head bounced on the turf. [/I]

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My thoughts on this game, after having a night to sleep on it, are as follows:

I think it's so ironic that a game in which the Shanahans were trying to protect RGIII the most is when he gets knocked out of the game with a concussion. However, that was all on RGIII. If he had just thrown the ball away, lived to played another series, the 'skins probably would have had a great chance to have beaten the Falcons. I mean, who knows? I have so much confidence in RGIII, that I never think the 'skins are out of a ballgame until the time reads 00:00.

I appreciate the fact the Mike & Kyle were calling an offense to protect their QB more. I just hate the fact that Griffin's receivers weren't helping him a lot with dropped passes and so forth, but there's only so much one man can do! But, besides that, it seems to me that the more you call a "safe" game in terms of protecting RGIII, the less potent the offense seems, and it also seems to take away a dimension of RGIII's game. But nevertheless, you do have to protect your investment.

In the near future, RGIII will learn how to protect himself better, while being a danger with his legs. Hopefully that will come sooner than the next hit that could be a season ender. Anyways, there HAS to be a happy medium, because we're going to need the offense to utilize every skill RGIII has if this season's version of the Redskins are going to end at or above .500.

The defense played very well, Haslett had them ready. They did pretty much everything they needed to do to help this team beat the Falcons. Unfortunately, the offense took a bad time to have a scoring drought, but you do kind of expect a harder time scoring against a well polished team like the Atlanta Falcons. Still, if the offense was scoring like they did in previous games, the Redskins could have very easily beat the Falcons, because the 'skins defense was playing pretty solid.

HOWEVER, the defense couldn't pressure Matt Ryan enough, and eventually the defense couldn't hold up for all four quarters. Couple that with RGIII getting knocked out of the game, and I figured the team was done for at that point.

So, moving forward, I think Mike & Kyle will continue to keep RGIII safe, but that might be at an expense of a few games. After five games, I'm thinking this roster is young and definitely talented in a few areas, but still just not quite good enough. We have great players in RGIII and Alfred Morris on offense, and guys like London Fletcher, Ryan Kerrigan, and Perry Riley on defense. But, I don't think it's going to be quite enough. Still, plenty of games ahead of us, but I now see how huge it was to lose Brian Orakpo, and even Adam Carriker. If the defensive line isn't getting to the QB early and often, then the 'skins only option is to win in shoot out games - and you can't do that if RGIII is on the sidelines.

I just hope for the Shanahan's sake that they can get this thing figured out in two more seasons, because everybody's (including my) evaluation starts this season, and this team HAS to start figuring it out on the field.

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[quote=skinsguy;950393]My thoughts on this game, after having a night to sleep on it, are as follows:

I think it's so ironic that a game in which the Shanahans were trying to protect RGIII the most is when he gets knocked out of the game with a concussion. However, that was all on RGIII. If he had just thrown the ball away, lived to played another series, the 'skins probably would have had a great chance to have beaten the Falcons. I mean, who knows? I have so much confidence in RGIII, that I never think the 'skins are out of a ballgame until the time reads 00:00.

I appreciate the fact the Mike & Kyle were calling an offense to protect their QB more. I just hate the fact that Griffin's receivers weren't helping him a lot with dropped passes and so forth, but there's only so much one man can do! But, besides that, it seems to me that the more you call a "safe" game in terms of protecting RGIII, the less potent the offense seems, and it also seems to take away a dimension of RGIII's game. But nevertheless, you do have to protect your investment.

In the near future, RGIII will learn how to protect himself better, while being a danger with his legs. Hopefully that will come sooner than the next hit that could be a season ender. Anyways, there HAS to be a happy medium, because we're going to need the offense to utilize every skill RGIII has if this season's version of the Redskins are going to end at or above .500.

The defense played very well, Haslett had them ready. They did pretty much everything they needed to do to help this team beat the Falcons. Unfortunately, the offense took a bad time to have a scoring drought, but you do kind of expect a harder time scoring against a well polished team like the Atlanta Falcons. Still, if the offense was scoring like they did in previous games, the Redskins could have very easily beat the Falcons, because the 'skins defense was playing pretty solid.

[B]HOWEVER, the defense couldn't pressure Matt Ryan enough, and eventually the defense couldn't hold up for all four quarters.[/B] Couple that with RGIII getting knocked out of the game, and I figured the team was done for at that point.

So, moving forward, I think Mike & Kyle will continue to keep RGIII safe, but that might be at an expense of a few games. After five games, I'm thinking this roster is young and definitely talented in a few areas, but still just not quite good enough. We have great players in RGIII and Alfred Morris on offense, and guys like London Fletcher, Ryan Kerrigan, and Perry Riley on defense. But, I don't think it's going to be quite enough. Still, plenty of games ahead of us, but I now see how huge it was to lose Brian Orakpo, and even Adam Carriker. If the defensive line isn't getting to the QB early and often, then the 'skins only option is to win in shoot out games - and you can't do that if RGIII is on the sidelines.

I just hope for the Shanahan's sake that they can get this thing figured out in two more seasons, because everybody's (including my) evaluation starts this season, and this team HAS to start figuring it out on the field.[/quote]

The pass rush was so bad I got up to get a beer at the begining of a Falcons play and Matt was still in the pocket when I got back with my beer.

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[quote=SmootSmack;950338]So you sign Gaffney for one year and then what? Sign him again for another one year deal?[/quote]

Why not? It seems a whole lot more fiscally responsible considering we are already behind 36mil over the next two years, and our defense is worst in the league, the secondary is a disaster, and o-line is shaky at best.

I know that hind sight is 20 20. But Id wager that alot of people on this site questioned the AMOUNT we gave garcon, especially with our holes, and the positions that went unfilled because of his huge signing, not the fact that we signed him. Noone questioned the upgrade. I think he is our best reciever, and I think he will be here a while and perform. But gaffney or some other WR, with proven hands and a decent route runner might have been a better option considering our cap situation, thats all.

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Still way too early to close the book on Garcon. He's still working his way back from injury. He needs to start stepping it up though, no doubt. Although if Griffin hits him in stride on that slant and he walks in for a TD, people might be singing a slightly different tune today. Just sayin'.

We needed to add playmakers for Griffin, and Gaffney clearly did not fit that description. Let's move on.

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[quote=NC_Skins;950079]Garcon was targeted 7 times, but only caught 3. He was a big reason as to why he didn't perform well. This was my issue with him in Indy. Was inconsistent with his play.

RGIII wasn't all that accurate either as he should have been.[/quote]

Two years ago, he was very inconsistent and had the dropsies. I followed him b/c he was on one of my fantasy teams. Last year, however, he had his best year and did it as a No. 1 WR with a lousy QB.

He has to show more than he did yesterday to be worth the money given. At the same time, it was game 2 of his Redskins career, playing on a bad foot. I, for one, am not ready to write him off just yet.

Gaffney? Stallworth? Please. Do we need to go through the YAC analysis, and its importance, AGAIN?

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[quote=Bucket;950363]I can't see the future, but I would put my money on yes. He said 5 years, and we are already winning. 2-3 is not 1-4, or 0-5.. This is the NFL, and there is not one team that is perfect. I didn't see the the Falcons board screaming to fire their offensive cordinator because they had two plays that threw passes to a backup center.

Shanahan came in and said it would take 5 years. I'm willing to give him that. He's done a lot of good for this franchise and we are currently 1 game out of the division lead.

I have a strong feeling if we win next week, and go in to NY the following with the division lead at stake. The vibrations of failure could change around here.

Everyone is so easy to scream failure. I understand everyone has different opinions, but this day and age NFL isn't perfect.. People and teams will get better or worse. I believe we are getting better.

Packers got beat by the Colts yesterday, and they are now 2-3.. The worse team in the NFL last year just beat the team that was in the Superbowl. I believe we were an injury away from perhaps winning against a team that is now 5-0 this year.

We are not as far off as people think in my opinion.[/quote]

I thought the Giants won the superbowl last year, and represented the NFC.............I may be wrong on that?

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Can we stop with this baloney about RG3 being handcuffed or held back? Look at the numbers he's putting up along with the entire offense. No, it's not perfect and we have plenty of room for improvement, but this notion that he's being handcuffed just sounds absurd.

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In addition to every team in the NFL being beatable (with the exception of the 49ers, DAMN!) at least with the Skins we can enjoy the "Any Given Sunday" mantra. We're competitive in every game and we're continuing to get better.

I think what's frustrating a lot of people is we haven't put together a complete game yet. If offense and defense do their jobs, special teams doesn't. Just stuff like that. If RG3 comes back, we'll have another tough test on our hands, but we match up pretty well with the Vikings.

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Love the team, but we need to get Santana back in the mix more.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;950402]In addition to every team in the NFL being beatable (with the exception of the 49ers, DAMN!) at least with the Skins we can enjoy the "Any Given Sunday" mantra. We're competitive in every game and we're continuing to get better.

I think what's frustrating a lot of people is we haven't put together a complete game yet. If offense and defense do their jobs, special teams doesn't. Just stuff like that. If RG3 comes back, we'll have another tough test on our hands, but we match up pretty well with the Vikings.[/QUOTE]

Even sf lost to Minnesota. Any team is beatable.

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Exactly, I just think SF, Chicago and even Seattle are about the toughest teams right now.

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One big thing I'm noticing is becoming a pattern (I'm sure the weather didn't help) is we are not a very good tackling team. WAAAAY too many yards after contact. Saw a few nice tackles yesterday, but way too many arm tackles.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;950355]Likes and Dislikes

Likes:

- How competitive we were today
- Not allowing Julio and Roddy to huge numbers
- Kerrigan
- Cofield getting a sack and knocking down the ball when he didn't get there; Hands up!
- Alfred Morris
- Santana's New Role
- Fred Davis doing good
- Our OL play
- Our punting game
- Getting to see Kirk Cousins

Dislikes:

- Getting to see Kirk Cousins
- Not getting to Matt Ryan/Giving him lots of time to pass/allowing him to step up
- Our pass defense in the second half (particularly the 4th quarter)
-[B] Josh Wilson; Before the game John Lynch interviewed Matt Ryan and the WRs and said do you all know where you want to attack the Skins today? They all replied 'Wherever Josh Wilson is, where going to that guy whose on him'. Translation= He sucks.[/B] Then I went back and remembered reading on this board that Josh Wilson was playing at one of the highest levels in the league according to ProFootballFocus.com. If teams are specifically going after a guy, that means he isn't good. And if that player who isn't good is considered the best player in our secondary and has a reliable stat sight saying that he's good, then that right there really shows that our secondary is awful. At least thats how I see it (and Josh was tested the whole game and ultimately did poorly, allowing guys to get first downs on him and stiff arm him constantly)
- Billy Cundiff; like I said earlier today, when a kicker has no confidence, he's got to go. His body language said it all to me today. He had to make both kicks today; he missed the easy one, 31 yards, so he's got to go. Josh Brown, Neil Rackers, Kris Brown, Gano come and try out.
- The DL got zero push or pressure today. 1 sack the whole game. All we did was edge rush and when you edge rush and get 0 pressure up the middle, all the QB has to do is step up in the pocket, like I mentioned above.
- Pierre Garcon. We are undefeated in games which he scores a TD. I think he's a great player. I Want to think he's going to be a great signing and worth the money. But today's performance of dropping passes was head pounding.
- RG3 getting hurt.
- The tackling on the defense
- The fact that Orakpo may not be on this team next year, according to SS. I think its a dumb move if we really do trade him; especially if it isn't a first.[/quote]

I found that interesting that they'd go after Wilson before Hall. But letting Ryan sit back there with no pressure didn't help the situation. And it's not like Atlanta has the 1991 Redskin o-line either.

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I think they went after Wilson mainly for the height advantage.

Not because he "sucks".

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[quote=Mattyk;950401]Can we stop with this baloney about RG3 being handcuffed or held back? Look at the numbers he's putting up along with the entire offense. No, it's not perfect and we have plenty of room for improvement, but this notion that he's being handcuffed just sounds absurd.[/quote]

I think he is. Let the kid throw it down field a little more. Why did we bring in Garcon and Morgan? To let them catch slants and wr screens? Too much of the offense is 10 yards and in and it's not going to work against the better teams. Cousins comes in and he hits Moss over the top of the defense and he's wide open.

Also why don't they run the hurry up offense? This is what RG3 did in college. He's comfortable with it as he marched the team down the field against Tampa.

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[quote=skinsfan69;950412]I think he is. Let the kid throw it down field a little more. Why did we bring in Garcon and Morgan? To let them catch slants and wr screens? Too much of the offense is 10 yards and in and it's not going to work against the better teams. Cousins comes in and he hits Moss over the top of the defense and he's wide open.

Also why don't they run the hurry up offense? This is what RG3 did in college. He's comfortable with it as he marched the team down the field against Tampa.[/quote]

I don't think he is handcuffed because of his inexperience, He is handcuffed because the line sucks and they need to get rid of the ball in 3 seconds or less.
They don't want RG3 to sit back in the pocket and get destroyed. All plays are quick plays.

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I don't think hancuffed=not throwing deep

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You can't push a magic pass rush button.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;950403]Love the team, but we need to get Santana back in the mix more.[/quote]

I think your right about Santana.

I dont think our WRs are 'winning' there matchups. Im specifically talking about Robinson and Hankerson...and Morgan to an extent. They need to beat their guy coming off the line and run a good route. If its zone, then they need to find the soft spot. I think it comes with time, but these guys are getting alot of playing time and its a passing league...I think Hank and Robinson have improved, but all about production vs playing time.

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I don't think RGIII is being handcuffed in terms of passing. He's thrown the deep ball quite a bit, but he also looks to complete the higher percentage pass more often than not. If RGIII is handcuffed at all, it's just to protect him; aka calling less option sprints or QB keepers. As I pointed out in my first post, I DO think game planning running plays with RGIII opens the offense up to its fullest potential, but right now, it's probably best to limit that since he's gotten a concussion. In the long run, to have RGIII further develop his pocket passing. Once he starts to become feared as a pocket passer, it's going to make his scrambling deadlier to opposing defenses.

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Hank really hasn't impressed at all since drafting him, Morgan is solid and PG just isn't 100%. Moss is old but he still could give us some good play as he did yesterday. My favorite out of the bunch is Robinson personally, I feel he's going to be a very good slot WR

[QUOTE=Bucket;950363]I can't see the future, but I would put my money on yes. He said 5 years, and we are already winning. 2-3 is not 1-4, or 0-5.. This is the NFL, and there is not one team that is perfect. I didn't see the the Falcons board screaming to fire their offensive cordinator because they had two plays that threw passes to a backup center.

Shanahan came in and said it would take 5 years. I'm willing to give him that. He's done a lot of good for this franchise and we are currently 1 game out of the division lead.

I have a strong feeling if we win next week, and go in to NY the following with the division lead at stake. The vibrations of failure could change around here.

Everyone is so easy to scream failure. I understand everyone has different opinions, but this day and age NFL isn't perfect.. People and teams will get better or worse. I believe we are getting better.

Packers got beat by the Colts yesterday, and they are now 2-3.. The worse team in the NFL last year just beat the team that was in the Superbowl. I believe we were an injury away from perhaps winning against a team that is now 5-0 this year.

We are not as far off as people think in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough except the comment about not one team that is perfect. Actually 5-0 is perfect and of course the falcons board isnt screaming- they won? There is a big difference between the skins being in the beginning of their third losing season in a row and last place in the division again and the falcons throwing two passes to their back up center. There is nit-picking and there is being sick of losing. I think anybody that follows the nfl would agree that redskins fans should be a tad bit more upset with the current situation in washington than the falcons fans in atlanta. We are still a team with a lot of question marks and the falcons are a team that is considered a super bowl contender.
That being said - i will leave shanny out of this because like it or not he is here. My positive thought is there is a ton of parody in the nfl and we are not buried in the nfc east by any means. I hope rg3 is back sunday and we win against minn. we have all of our nfc east games in hand and maybe just maybe we turn this around.


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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/10/8/3473096/recapping-redskins-loss-to-falcons-with-breaking-bad-animated-gifs]Recapping Redskins Loss to Falcons with "Breaking Bad" Animated Gifs - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;950034]But the pick wasn't for us to use him long-term, it was for us to trade him 2 or 3 years down the road and potentially get a high 1st or 2nd round pick. I can't argue with that logic.[/quote]

I presume your talking about Cousins and am wondering what Redskin official and when did they say our plan was to pick him and trade him 2-3 yrs later? I've never heard that. Does it make sense? yeah but that doesn't mean thats the plan. The other idea is that Grossman sucks so bad they wanted a viable back up and the coaching staff liked what they saw in Cousins during the senior bowl.

I really wonder if the thought process wasn't more the fact Cousins came from a pro style college offense and RG3 didn't. In case RG3 struggled they could hopefully insert Cousins and get production until RG3 was up to speed. As it turned out RG3 was better then advertised.

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I also wondered why Grossman wasn't the 2nd string. Isn't that why we have him? To come in and get us out of a jam? A little unfair to have a rookie QB try and come in cold off the bench and try and win the game.

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[quote=Mechanix544;950400]I thought the Giants won the superbowl last year, and represented the NFC.............I may be wrong on that?[/quote]

In Superbowl, and WIN Superbowl is two different things my friend.

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[quote=skinsfan69;950435]I also wondered why Grossman wasn't the 2nd string. Isn't that why we have him? To come in and get us out of a jam? A little unfair to have a rookie QB try and come in cold off the bench and try and win the game.[/quote]

Yeah I thought that was a poor decision

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[quote=punch it in;950429]Fair enough except the comment about not one team that is perfect. Actually 5-0 is perfect and of course the falcons board isnt screaming- they won? There is a big difference between the skins being in the beginning of their third losing season in a row and last place in the division again and the falcons throwing two passes to their back up center. There is nit-picking and there is being sick of losing. I think anybody that follows the nfl would agree that redskins fans should be a tad bit more upset with the current situation in washington than the falcons fans in atlanta. We are still a team with a lot of question marks and the falcons are a team that is considered a super bowl contender.
That being said - i will leave shanny out of this because like it or not he is here. My positive thought is there is a ton of parody in the nfl and we are not buried in the nfc east by any means. I hope rg3 is back sunday and we win against minn. we have all of our nfc east games in hand and maybe just maybe we turn this around.


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Fair enough, but there is also a big difference between 5-0, and 16-0. We can have the perfect discussion later down the road in the season. 2-3 is not is not 6-10 or even 2-14.

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. The problem with the defense came on third down as they allowed nine of 17 to be converted. That’s how you let a team run 81 plays – 33 more than the Redskins. [COLOR="Red"]It didn’t help at all that the Redskins were only one of nine on third down, making them three of 20 in the last two games combined. This has been a season-long issue and if they don’t improve here, it’ll be tough to sustain consistent success. As Robert Griffin III matures, it’ll help the conversion rate. This was not his best game, injury notwithstanding. Back to the third-down chatter: The offense needed to help out the D more. If the idea is to keep an explosive offense off the field, they failed miserably. You can’t give the Falcons 81 plays and expect to hold them down. They have too much talent.[/COLOR]
Pretty much sums it up.

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[quote=SmootSmack;950432][url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/10/8/3473096/recapping-redskins-loss-to-falcons-with-breaking-bad-animated-gifs]Recapping Redskins Loss to Falcons with "Breaking Bad" Animated Gifs - Hogs Haven[/url][/quote]

It's scary how accurate that is LOL!

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[quote=Chico23231;950419]I think your right about Santana.

I dont think our WRs are 'winning' there matchups. Im specifically talking about Robinson and Hankerson...and Morgan to an extent. They need to beat their guy coming off the line and run a good route. If its zone, then they need to find the soft spot. I think it comes with time, but these guys are getting alot of playing time and its a passing league...I think Hank and Robinson have improved, but all about production vs playing time.[/quote]

Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.

[QUOTE=Bucket;950436]In Superbowl, and WIN Superbowl is two different things my friend.[/QUOTE]

You refrenced green bay as the team in the superbowl. He was pointing out that the giants were that team because they won it. Anywho......


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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;950435]I also wondered why Grossman wasn't the 2nd string. Isn't that why we have him? To come in and get us out of a jam? A little unfair to have a rookie QB try and come in cold off the bench and try and win the game.[/QUOTE]

I said this yesterday and somebody (forget who) lol'd me. Lol'd me can ya believe it? Lol
Edit: bucket you lol'd me in the gameday thread. I said i thought grossman was better than cousins (obviously meaning rite now as a backup - i did say cousins was a wasted pick - i stand by that - rex would be a better back up for the short future and still think the pick could have been used for secondary / line? And we will have time to replace our backup )


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[quote=The Goat;950442]Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.[/quote]

Moss is perfectly suited for what he is now, the #3 slot receiver who can be that reliable underneath receiver who can turn on the burners for a big gain

Morgan's contract is not as much of a handcuff as people seem to believe.

And we have plenty of draft picks, 2nd rounders, 3rd rounders. Yeah we don't have 1sts but let's not act like we're going into the next several years without key draft picks.

The future is not now. That's why you don't hold onto Gaffney when young talent like Garcon is available. Or spend money on Plax when you can develop Hankerson and Dez as red zone targets. Or add Chad Johnson when a younger receiver in Josh Morgan can grow as the Z receiver. All as RG3 develops too.

Of course I want to win, but I mean we're 2-3. How far off is that from where we all thought our record would be right now? Would you rather be 3-2 with Grossman and Gaffney or 2-3 with RG3 and Garcon?