Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=Mechanix544;955707]Heres the thing. It will be the fourth year. And if we finish comparable to our current record, a 4th straight season of being below .500.

Like I've said before, I root for our coaches. I think Mike has done well with AM and the Oline. But the real reason we are clicking on offense is because of RG3. I believe that RG3 is having some of his success in spite of the playcalling, making something out of nothing. Im sure some successes can be directly attributed to the brilliant mind that is Kyle Shanahan. If I had to take one or the other, Id wager that RG3 would be doing just fine without Kyle Shanahan, and that Kyle Shanahan would still be stinking it up without the all universe QB they now have to lean on.[/quote]

Maybe the most insightful post of the thread...good work 544.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;955752]One thing missing from the boards is that Logan Paulsen had a monster game yesterday...

* All 4 catches were huge, clutch, 1st down makers
* He did not drop a single pass.... and two were very difficult catches (he has very good hands... who knew!?)
* His key block down field sprung Moss for the first TD

I think this guy is actually going to do WORK for us the rest of the way... He can block AND catch... I was thoroughly impressed with his work yesterday[/quote]

Lunch pail Logan!! He's a keeper for sure.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=Hail to the Redskins;955752]One thing missing from the boards is that Logan Paulsen had a monster game yesterday...

* All 4 catches were huge, clutch, 1st down makers
* He did not drop a single pass.... and two were very difficult catches (he has very good hands... who knew!?)
* His key block down field sprung Moss for the first TD

I think this guy is actually going to do WORK for us the rest of the way... He can block AND catch... I was thoroughly impressed with his work yesterday[/quote]


This. I think at this stage, I value Paulsen more than I do Cooley. I still think Cooley will be 3rd string.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=NC_Skins;955758]This. I think at this stage, I value Paulsen more than I do Cooley. I still think Cooley will be 3rd string.[/quote]

He'll be behind Paul?! I could understand 2nd stringing behind Paulsen but Paul?

/sigh

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=The Goat;955753]Play-calling had everything to do with two of the turnovers, RG3's INT and fumble, and nearly caused a third turnover when the defense recognized another option read and blew up the play in the backfield.[/quote]

Don't know whether to :laughing- or to :doh:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;955759]He'll be behind Paul?! I could understand 2nd stringing behind Paulsen but Paul?

/sigh[/quote]

Cooley doesn't play special teams. So yeah, he'll be behind Paul.


edit: Not that I'm impressed with Niles Paul's transition to TE so far. Lot to develop on.

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[quote=The Goat;955753]Play-calling had everything to do with two of the turnovers, RG3's INT and fumble, and nearly caused a third turnover when the defense recognized another option read and blew up the play in the backfield.[/quote]

RG3 made a bad decision on the INT and couldn't keep a handle on the ball on his fumble. Can't just blame Kyle for everything. The players still have to execute. Why not just blame Kyle for the Morris fumble while we're at it?

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[quote=NC_Skins;955760]Don't know whether to :laughing- or to :doh:[/quote]

How about both.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=Mattyk;955762]RG3 made a bad decision on the INT and couldn't keep a handle on the ball on his fumble. Can't just blame Kyle for everything. The players still have to execute. [B]Why not just blame Kyle for the Morris fumble while we're at it[/B]?[/quote]

Because that would be unreasonable. The Morris and Tana fumbles had nothing to do with play-calling. The INT and RG3 fumble had everything to do with play-calling. The defense read both plays before the ball was snapped.

No OC calls the perfect play every down, but when you see myriad blown plays every game because the defense knows what's up before Kyle does we're not going to consistently score points and win games.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

Are you talking about the INT where Paulsen and RG3 had a miscommunication? The play where 10 out of 10 times it would be Fred Davis on that play?

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

Back on topic...I'm seriously psyched to see Cooley back on the field. One of my favorite Skins of the last decade, and I reckon he'll play with a big chip on his shoulder. Not sure who said he wasn't in shape, but that would kinda contradict what he's been doing right? Staying close to Redskins Park, waiting for the opportunity to play again....I would think he's in stellar shape and will just have to ease into the game speed. He should be full go after the bye at least :)

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=The Goat;955764]Because that would be unreasonable. The Morris and Tana fumbles had nothing to do with play-calling. The INT and RG3 fumble had everything to do with play-calling. The defense read both plays before the ball was snapped.

No OC calls the perfect play every down, but when you see myriad blown plays every game because the defense knows what's up before Kyle does we're not going to consistently score points and win games.[/quote]

We've run that play to Davis plenty of times this year. Doesn't matter if the defense reads it if you execute it. RG3 forced the throw.

In the end this is a pointless discussion. The offense isn't the problem this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;955765]Are you talking about the INT where Paulsen and RG3 had a miscommunication? The play where 10 out of 10 times it would be Fred Davis on that play?[/quote]

Yep. Kyle had called it 3 or 4 times earlier in the game and the defense was ready for it. Looked very clearly like the defender was sitting back and jumped the route for the INT. Another frustration is how easy Kyle makes it for the defense to jump routes because his formations/routes don't stretch the field.

And Davis was the target 4 out of 5 times. Not sure why the defense wouldn't have read the play regardless of who was targeted, except that if Davis was there for the 5th time you'd think EVERYBODY would expect it.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=The Goat;955764]Because that would be unreasonable. The Morris and Tana fumbles had nothing to do with play-calling. The INT and RG3 fumble had everything to do with play-calling. The defense read both plays before the ball was snapped.

No OC calls the perfect play every down, but when you see myriad blown plays every game because the defense knows what's up before Kyle does we're not going to consistently score points and win games.[/quote]


480 yards says your wrong...

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=Monkeydad;955727]Yes. Jon Gruden is coming in and we're trading for Jay Cutler AND Brandon Marshall.

Welcome to The Warpath.[/quote]

I sense a hint of sarcasm, monkeydad lol.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=skinsfan69;954958]People around here need to let go of CC. He can't run anymore.[/quote]

You were sayin...

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

I don't understand why people can't separate these two concepts: "the offense not having the best game against the Giants" and the "overall state of the offense". In the game against the Giants, the offense did not perform as good as they previously have, but just because of this bad game happened doesn't mean that the offense is in the dumps and Kyle should be fired. Whoever thinks this needs to get their head checked.

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[quote=Mattyk;955767]We've run that play to Davis plenty of times this year. Doesn't matter if the defense reads it if you execute it. RG3 forced the throw.

In the end this is a pointless discussion. The offense isn't the problem this year.[/quote]

Did it seem like Paulson ran the wrong route? Rg3 threw with purpose and it just seemed like Paulson didn't cut deep enough.

Edit ss already said it.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=Mattyk;955762]RG3 made a bad decision on the INT and couldn't keep a handle on the ball on his fumble. Can't just blame Kyle for everything. The players still have to execute. Why not just blame Kyle for the Morris fumble while we're at it?[/quote]

Did you know Kyle was responsible for:
- Global warming,
- negative adds in politics,
- the repression of Arab rebels in Syria, and
- the failure to use "whom" when appropriate.

The only reason he even exists is b/c of his Dad. Why if Mike Shanahan had never existed, no one would have even heard of Kyle.

<sigh> I hate Mondays on the Warpath after a loss.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;955778]Did you know Kyle was responsible for:
- Global warming,
- negative adds in politics,
- the repression of Arab rebels in Syria, and
- the failure to use "whom" when appropriate.

The only reason he even exists is b/c of his Dad. Why if Mike Shanahan had never existed, no one would have even heard of Kyle.

<sigh> I hate Mondays on the Warpath after a loss.[/quote]

D. Hall and Reed Doughty take offense to this post, everyone knows they are the cause of all the problems.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=The Goat;955766]Back on topic...I'm seriously psyched to see Cooley back on the field. One of my favorite Skins of the last decade, and I reckon he'll play with a big chip on his shoulder. Not sure who said he wasn't in shape, but that would kinda contradict what he's been doing right? Staying close to Redskins Park, waiting for the opportunity to play again....I would think he's in stellar shape and will just have to ease into the game speed. He should be full go after the bye at least :)[/quote]

Yes, you're right. Chris Cooley is a Redskin 4 life. I'm thrilled to see him back on the team as well. Since he already knows the offense I hope he's atop the depth chart and ready to start for us.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;955778]Did you know Kyle was responsible for:
- Global warming,
- negative adds in politics,
- the repression of Arab rebels in Syria, and
- [B]the failure to use "whom" when appropriate[/B].

The only reason he even exists is b/c of his Dad. Why if Mike Shanahan had never existed, no one would have even heard of Kyle.

<sigh> I hate Mondays on the Warpath after a loss.[/quote]

lol guilty 99% of the time.

your right about mondays....really bazaar today.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=REDSKINS4ever;955792]Yes, you're right. Chris Cooley is a Redskin 4 life. I'm thrilled to see him back on the team as well. Since he already knows the offense I hope he's atop the depth chart and ready to start for us.[/quote]

I dont think he will be ahead of Pauleson who was great Sunday, but good lord Niles Paul looks like a lost cause everywhere cept special teams.

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[quote=The Goat;955768]Yep. Kyle had called it 3 or 4 times earlier in the game and the defense was ready for it. Looked very clearly like the defender was sitting back and jumped the route for the INT. Another frustration is how easy Kyle makes it for the defense to jump routes because his formations/routes don't stretch the field.

And Davis was the target 4 out of 5 times. Not sure why the defense wouldn't have read the play regardless of who was targeted, except that if Davis was there for the 5th time you'd think EVERYBODY would expect it.[/quote]

Jumped the route? Did you watch the play? Jumping a route is either undercutting it or making the cut better than the receiver. The guy who intercepted was the safety behind the play. No body jumped the route on the int. RG3 double pumped it and never should have released it. That ball was complete if Paulsen doesnt stop his route. It was a mis-communication between a TE and QB who dont normally play a lot together. As far as the defender sitting back, what you mean is he was playing safety. And last I checked, every safety in the league plays safety, except M. Williams apparently.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

Cooley never could run.
What he does is catch.

And get chicks.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

I think re-signing Cooley was a good move at this point. I don't really expect much from him, but he should be able to help move the chains and provide some added leadership.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

He might not contribute a ton, but it would warm my heart to see him have a helluva last season healthy.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

Sad for Fred....
HAPPY for CC. Always regretted that he played in some pretty rough Redskin years and....Would Not have a chance to play with Robert.
How Stoked is he at the thought of playing on a high powered Offense???
Excellent!

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

Injuries happen in the NFL every week. That's why NFL contracts aren't fully guaranteed. I just hope Fred Davis can rehabilitate his injury and be ready for next season. Chris Cooley on the other hand is a welcome addition. I'm so glad that he waited on the Redskins and not sign with another team when he could have. He's certainly worth more than the veteran minimum.


Does Cooley still wear #47 or another number?

[QUOTE=MonkFan4Life;955739]And we're trading our 2, 3, and 4th picks for a host of 6th and 7th rounders. You need to stockpile picks plus thats where all the gems are.[/QUOTE]

Lol


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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;955778]Did you know Kyle was responsible for:
- Global warming,
- negative adds in politics,
- the repression of Arab rebels in Syria, and
- the failure to use "whom" when appropriate.

The only reason he even exists is b/c of his Dad. Why if Mike Shanahan had never existed, no one would have even heard of Kyle.

<sigh> I hate Mondays on the Warpath after a loss.[/QUOTE]

He was a graduate assistant for one year at UCLA before Gruden gave him a job in the NFL. It had absolutely everything to do with his father. Hey good for him. Wish my father was an NFL coach. Dont kid yourself though his NFL existence has EVERYTHING to do with his father. It happens all the time - not just in coaching but in Hollywood and the music industry , etc etc. Big deal. I would give my kid a job like that if i had the power to do so also.


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Oh - back on topic. I see like three good "coooooooley" yells this year and not much else. He just seemed soooo not himself twards the end and to think he is going to be anything more than what he was seems impossible to me. I have been really happy with Paulsen especially this past game. Very serviceable.


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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;955761]Cooley doesn't play special teams. So yeah, he'll be behind Paul.


edit: Not that I'm impressed with Niles Paul's transition to TE so far. Lot to develop on.[/QUOTE]

Im glad he will be behind Paul. Now when the ball goes through his hands someone will be there to catch it!


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[quote=punch it in;955858]Im glad he will be behind Paul. Now when the ball goes through his hands someone will be there to catch it!


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:rofl:

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I like Cooley but he seemed totally shot last season. He claims he is healthy, and i know every soon to be ex-player always does, but if Cooley's play is servicable this year, any chance at all he stays on the team past this season? Cooley is only 30 and I'd really like to see him get in a few more years before having to retire. I think he would make a great backup..

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[quote=mbedner3420;955770]I sense a hint of sarcasm, monkeydad lol.[/quote]


Actually, those are real quotes from WP members!

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Umm, couldn't we have looked for a younger faster tight end somewhere? How about calling up Kellen Winslow? Cooley's done. Yeah, it's good for those nostalgic fans here who don't want to move on and tickle their jollies by yelling "Cooooooley" on a 5 yard catch, but from a football move he does nothing for our offense but slow it down as he can't stretch the field.

Alfred Morris don't get hurt, we just might be calling up "Southeast Jerome".

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[quote=milellie111;955894]Umm, couldn't we have looked for a younger faster tight end somewhere? How about calling up Kellen Winslow? Cooley's done. Yeah, it's good for those nostalgic fans here who don't want to move on and tickle their jollies by yelling "Cooooooley" on a 5 yard catch, but from a football move he does nothing for our offense but slow it down as he can't stretch the field.

Alfred Morris don't get hurt, we just might be calling up "Southeast Jerome".[/quote]

He knows the offense and I think that's the main reason. But I agree, he's so slow now and seems to run with a limp.

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Cooley was never very fast he just seemed to find a void in the D and then make people miss all in slow motion.

Re: Fred Davis Done for Season. Welcome Back Cooley
 

[quote=milellie111;955894]Umm, couldn't we have looked for a younger faster tight end somewhere? How about calling up Kellen Winslow? Cooley's done. Yeah, it's good for those nostalgic fans here who don't want to move on and tickle their jollies by yelling "Cooooooley" on a 5 yard catch, but from a football move he does nothing for our offense but slow it down as he can't stretch the field.

Alfred Morris don't get hurt, we just might be calling up "Southeast Jerome".[/quote]

Why Kellen Winslow? Why someone with a bad knee who's been on three teams in less than two years and, despite being only 29 years old doesn't have teams knocking down his door?