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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000122639/article/robert-griffin-iiis-knee-worries-dr-james-andrews]Robert Griffin III's knee worries Dr. James Andrews - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=44ever;984068][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000122639/article/robert-griffin-iiis-knee-worries-dr-james-andrews]Robert Griffin III's knee worries Dr. James Andrews - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

I'll say this, Snyder should be staying out of the football part of the redskins...but if there is anything someone above might need to step in on it's the health of RG3. They have to be smarter than that.

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[quote=scowan;982862]You guys need to notice the field in Green Bay this weekend. I guarantee it will look better than Fed-X field and its freezing up there.[/quote]

Their field looked worse the FedEx. Not sure I get the need to have a pretty field after all it is football,

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiAzkv_78us]Minnesota Vikings vs Green Bay Packers - Wild Card Highlights 2012/2013 - YouTube[/ame]

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;982855]PFfft. JJ didn't even have all his seats in. Skins won't get a SB till weather is disregarded. The field isn't the issue.[/QUOTE]

Of course. But our field is still crap.

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[quote=hooskins;984081]Of course. But our field is still crap.[/quote]

It may be crap, but it's [B][U]our[/U][/B] crap damm it!!!

(and Morris seems to like it :))

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[quote=44ever;984068][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000122639/article/robert-griffin-iiis-knee-worries-dr-james-andrews]Robert Griffin III's knee worries Dr. James Andrews - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

"He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do"...

I basically stopped right there.

The rest is just Andrews not wanting his name tied to this if god forbid he got hurt again. Shanahan probably shouldn't have brought his name into it from the start by saying he cleared him, but what else was he gonna say, that RG3 said he was ok and wanted to go back in so we let him? That would have been a bigger mess.

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i didn't know he was on of our game day physicians

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/06/dr-andrews-says-rg3-was-never-cleared-to-re-enter-game/]Dr. Andrews says RG3 was never cleared to re-enter game | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=44ever;984068][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000122639/article/robert-griffin-iiis-knee-worries-dr-james-andrews]Robert Griffin III's knee worries Dr. James Andrews - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

IMO and I'll say it again IMO sounds like a Dr. that just wants some Air time (famous/popular/recognition).

[QUOTE=Mattyk;984083]"He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do"...

I basically stopped right there.

The rest is just Andrews not wanting his name tied to this if god forbid he got hurt again. Shanahan probably shouldn't have brought his name into it from the start by saying he cleared him, but what else was he gonna say, that RG3 said he was ok and wanted to go back in so we let him? That would have been a bigger mess.[/QUOTE]

Yeah its a non story to me. I wouldnt take him being concerned as a sign that rg3 is in bad shape. He is suppose to worry for the worst...thats his job. And rg3 probably shouldn't have come back in but that was weeks ago. He's almost 100 percent now and that's what matters

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We see players all the time get hurt go to the sidelines for a play or two and go back out to play without a Dr's note. Not sure what they expect a coach to do in the last few minutes of a game your needing to win when your main player is standing there ready to go back into the game.

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It wasn't a injury to the head or spine.

Move along....

[QUOTE=GoSkins!;984103]It wasn't a injury to the head or spine.

Move along....[/QUOTE]

We win today & the NFL decides we broke a rule & penalizes us in some dramatic way.

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yeah, non story. we already know players hide injuries to stay in games all the time. this is just another example. no one forced him, and he was upset they sat him the next week... so, who cares?

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[quote=That Guy;984105]yeah, non story. we already know players hide injuries to stay in games all the time. this is just another example. no one forced him, and he was upset they sat him the next week... so, who cares?[/quote]

I think the big deal is that shanahan said Andrew cleared RG3 to return which apparently wasn't true. Either way, I think you're right, I don't think it's a major issue.

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When I first heard the story this morning, it seemed like a big deal. I guess, Shanny looks like a douche but whatever. Your team's on the clock and you have to make a decision before getting penalized. It was a tough call to make with limited time and basically zero medical opinion. Not to mention said injured player pressing you to go back in the game.

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it's not a big deal at all.

we see it all the time, a guy gets hurt just enough to delay the game for a moment, he has to come out for the next play, and he goes right back in

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[quote=mbedner3420;984107]I think the big deal is that shanahan said Andrew cleared RG3 to return which apparently wasn't true. Either way, I think you're right, I don't think it's a major issue.[/quote]

Michael Irving on the NFL network set said it best. Shanahan probably told Griffin go see the doctor, Griffin wanting to get back in circled around and then said I'm good to go. No big deal on this, but of course the NFL may think it is.

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Level 1 (minor) sprain heals at 4 weeks for a (inactive) pro athlete receiving pro therapy. It also usually heals in that time weeks for everyone else as well.

If the Doctor is worried its because the injury is either reported as something less than what it really is and/or because RG3 was back on the field so soon.

Obviously RG3 was able to return for a few plays the day of the injury. I don't think the fact that he's out there after weeks of therapy and pain injections is a indicator that he's anywhere near 100%.

With that said, he seems to be handling/protecting the injury very well, and altho playing on it may delay 100% healing, I think he will be fine as long as he does not take a side impact that compromises the support of the knee brace.

Im sure the Doctor would have liked to see him completely off the knee for 4 weeks and the fact that RG3 is on the field is the cause of his worry.

If you or I sustained the same injury as RG3, Im 100% confident our Doctors would not recommend going out and playing football within the 4 week healing period. But of course our Doctors would not be influenced by a multi trillion dollar industry...

I fully understand the Doctors concern.

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[quote=Mattyk;984083]"He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do"...

I basically stopped right there.

The rest is just Andrews not wanting his name tied to this if god forbid he got hurt again. Shanahan probably shouldn't have brought his name into it from the start by saying he cleared him, but what else was he gonna say, that RG3 said he was ok and wanted to go back in so we let him? That would have been a bigger mess.[/quote]


You probably shouldn't have stopped reading. That part you quoted is in reference to him playing now, not the situation back in the Baltimore game.


Basically, Shanahan said Andrews told him he was cleared to go back into the game, and Andrews said that is not true and that RGIII never allowed them to examine him.

Shanahan needs to be fined big time for this if true, and the fact he threw his high profile team doctor under a bus is pathetic.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/01/06/dr-james-andrews-disputes-coach-mike-shanahans-version-of-washington-redskins-quarterback-robert-griffin-iii-knee-injury/1811689/]Dr. James Andrews says he never cleared Robert Griffin III to go back into game after injury[/url]

[quote]Shanahan said he let Griffin return with the blessing of James Andrews, the renowned orthopedic surgeon, who was on the sideline.

Andrews, however, told USA TODAY Sports on Saturday that he never cleared Griffin to go back into the game, because he never even examined him.

"(Griffin) didn't even let us look at him," Andrews said. "He came off the field, walked through the sidelines, circled back through the players, and took off back to the field. It wasn't our opinion.

"We didn't even get to touch him or talk to him. Scared the hell out of me."

Yet when asked by reporters, Shanahan described a conversation with Andrews this way:

"He's on the sidelines with Dr. Andrews. He had a chance to look at him and he said he could go back in," Shanahan said Dec. 10. "(I said) 'Hey, Dr. Andrews, can Robert go back in?'

'Yeah, he can go back in.'

'Robert, go back in.'

"That was it," Shanahan said.

Only that's not the way it happened, Andrews said. What's more, Andrews remains worried about Griffin's health as the Redskins play the Seattle Seahawks in an NFC wild card game at FedEx Field today.[/quote]

[quote]"I'm the one that shut him down that day, finally," Andrews said. "I've been a nervous wreck letting him come back as quick as he has. He's doing a lot better this week, but he's still recovering and I'm holding my breath because of it.

"He passed all the tests and all the functional things we do, but it's been a trying moment for me, to be honest with you."[/quote]

Basically Andrews is just worried about Griff and his knee, which is understanding. Now Mike and him saying he said is just dumb. If Griffin went back in without being looked at then that's on him. Hopefully he's OK and won't hurt himself more, luckily he's passed all the test so far

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[quote=NC_Skins;984125]You probably shouldn't have stopped reading. That part you quoted is in reference to him playing now, not the situation back in the Baltimore game.


Basically, Shanahan said Andrews told him he was cleared to go back into the game, and Andrews said that is not true and that RGIII never allowed them to examine him.

Shanahan needs to be fined big time for this if true, and the fact he threw his high profile team doctor under a bus is pathetic.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/01/06/dr-james-andrews-disputes-coach-mike-shanahans-version-of-washington-redskins-quarterback-robert-griffin-iii-knee-injury/1811689/]Dr. James Andrews says he never cleared Robert Griffin III to go back into game after injury[/url][/quote]

Yeah I got that quite clearly, thanks.

I guess what I'm saying what's the worry now? Odd timing for this story to come out.

Trying to get some pub for his new book perhaps?

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Any-Given-Monday-ebook/dp/B007EDOJ26]Any Given Monday: James R Andrews, Don Yaeger: Amazon.com: Kindle Store[/ame]

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did i miss something? has griff suffered a setback? yap yap yap

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[quote=Mattyk;984132]Yeah I got that quite clearly, thanks.

I guess what I'm saying what's the worry now? Odd timing for this story to come out.

Trying to get some pub for his new book perhaps?

[url=http://www.amazon.com/Any-Given-Monday-ebook/dp/B007EDOJ26]Any Given Monday: James R Andrews, Don Yaeger: Amazon.com: Kindle Store[/url][/quote]


Probably because nobody has asked him until now? In fact, has there been any interviews or questions with Dr. Andrews until now? If not, that's why this is coming out now. I'd be doing the same thing if I were Dr. Andrews. It's his professional career at stake here, and having some coach claim you ok'd a player to return when you didn't is a definite faux pas.

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[quote=Mattyk;984132]Yeah I got that quite clearly, thanks.

I guess what I'm saying what's the worry now? Odd timing for this story to come out.

Trying to get some pub for his new book perhaps?

[url=http://www.amazon.com/Any-Given-Monday-ebook/dp/B007EDOJ26]Any Given Monday: James R Andrews, Don Yaeger: Amazon.com: Kindle Store[/url][/quote]

yup . . . i was just going to say this . . . his book is being released this weekend as well (according to the talk radio guy in phx anyway) . . . this just gets his name in the press a little more and increases his book sales . . .

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[quote=NC_Skins;984134]Probably because nobody has asked him until now? In fact, has there been any interviews or questions with Dr. Andrews until now? If not, that's why this is coming out now. I'd be doing the same thing if I were Dr. Andrews. It's his professional career at stake here, and having some coach claim you ok'd a player to return when you didn't is a definite faux pas.[/quote]

Because nobody asked him? lol really?

C'mon man, if it was that big of a deal to him and his reputation was at stake wouldn't he have came out and issued a statement immediately after it happened??

The whole timing of this just seems a little off to me.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;984135]yup . . . i was just going to say this . . . his book is being released this weekend as well (according to the talk radio guy in phx anyway) . . . this just gets his name in the press a little more and increases his book sales . . .[/quote]



Or....maybe nobody has asked the man any questions in relation to the Baltimore game? Is there any journalist on record asking Dr. Andrews any questions about the Baltimore game or RGIII prior to this weekend? Anybody got anything? Why are we saying he's trying to drum up press? Can anybody point to me where he's had media opportunities to set the record straight and passed?

I'm quite frankly disturbed we have a coach throwing a well renowned doctor under the bus when it was actually a lie the whole time.

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[quote=Mattyk;984136]Because nobody asked him? lol really?

C'mon man, if it was that big of a deal to him and his reputation was at stake wouldn't he have came out and issued a statement immediately after it happened??

The whole timing of this just seems a little off to me.[/quote]


Not sure what you are expecting. Is the man not supposed to answer the questions when asked? It's not like he was going to call a press conference and set the truth straight.

As far as it being a big deal to his reputation, I'm not sure what he's doing behind the scenes or what type of contract he has with the team. For all we know, he could have been pressing the issue, and trying to do it quietly.


I usually don't have a problem with things that Mike does, but this is one of them. Huge problem.

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[quote=NC_Skins;984137]Or....maybe nobody has asked the man any questions in relation to the Baltimore game? Is there any journalist on record asking Dr. Andrews any questions about the Baltimore game or RGIII prior to this weekend? Anybody got anything? Why are we saying he's trying to drum up press? Can anybody point to me where he's had media opportunities to set the record straight and passed?

I'm quite frankly disturbed we have a coach throwing a well renowned doctor under the bus when it was actually a lie the whole time.[/quote]

sorry, but i agree with Matty . . . if he really felt that strongly about this worrying that his reputation would be hurt, he would have came out long ago on his own . . .

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[quote=NC_Skins;984137]Or....maybe nobody has asked the man any questions in relation to the Baltimore game? Is there any journalist on record asking Dr. Andrews any questions about the Baltimore game or RGIII prior to this weekend? Anybody got anything? Why are we saying he's trying to drum up press? Can anybody point to me where he's had media opportunities to set the record straight and passed?

I'm quite frankly disturbed we have a coach throwing a well renowned doctor under the bus when it was actually a lie the whole time.[/quote]

It doesnt take a journalist asking Dr Andrews anything for it to become public. Had Dr Andrews made that statement at any other time, it would have been very public. And in the day and age of Twitter and Facebook, journalists are not needed. Dr Andrews makes too much money on what he does to have someone question whether he knows an athletes knees.

Im more disturbed that a Dr knowing an athlete was injured, let him double around and go back into the game without checking him out. The Dr needs to make sure that gets looked at. If a player turns around, then the Dr needs to get a team staff member to make sure the coach knows he never looked at the player and to round up that player to be looked at. RG3 didnt play the next game, so its not like anyone can scream that he doesnt care about player safety.

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[quote=Skinzman;984144]Im more disturbed that a Dr knowing an athlete was injured, let him double around and go back into the game without checking him out. The Dr needs to make sure that gets looked at. If a player turns around, then the Dr needs to get a team staff member to make sure the coach knows he never looked at the player and to round up that player to be looked at. RG3 didnt play the next game, so its not like anyone can scream that he doesnt care about player safety.[/quote]


No arguments there. Agree totally.

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I've been on youtube watching the video previews to this match up. Everybody is saying the same thing about how RG3 is not himself because of the sprained knee etc. Everybody is talking about how great Seattle's defense is. Everybody is talking about Russell Wilson. I like the fact that people are sleeping on the Redskins.

This game against the Seahawks is not going to play out the way most people think it will.

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I'm sure in the placid calm of an NFL sideline there couldn't have possibly been any miscommunication.

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[quote=FRPLG;984161]I'm sure in the placid calm of an NFL sideline there couldn't have possibly been any miscommunication.[/quote]

This isn't a situation of miscommunication. You have a coach saying the Doctor told him directly he was cleared to go back in. You have doctor saying he didn't even get a chance to inspect him, and he told the coach nothing. This isn't miscommunication, this is a flat out falsehood by one party.

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[quote=NC_Skins;984163]This isn't a situation of miscommunication. You have a coach saying the Doctor told him directly he was cleared to go back in. You have doctor saying he didn't even get a chance to inspect him, and he told the coach nothing. This isn't miscommunication, this is a flat out falsehood by one party.[/quote]

And were any of us on the sideline to know exactly what happened? Jesus I couldn't care any less about this. We play a GD playoff football game today people!

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;984159]I've been on youtube watching the video previews to this match up. Everybody is saying the same thing about how RG3 is not himself because of the sprained knee etc. Everybody is talking about how great Seattle's defense is. Everybody is talking about Russell Wilson. I like the fact that people are sleeping on the Redskins.

This game against the Seahawks is not going to play out the way most people think it will.[/quote]

There is every reason to believe the game will play out exactly the wy most people think it will. The Seahawks are a much better team than we are in nearly every way. I'd give us a slight advantage in coaching, but that's it. Offensively and defensively, this game heavily favors the Seahawks. If we win, it will be due to coaching, the 12th man, and a good deal of luck.

I have a big bag of fks and I dont give one about this story. Hes healthy now and I could care less.

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[quote=FRPLG;984164]And were any of us on the sideline to know exactly what happened? Jesus I couldn't care any less about this. We play a GD playoff football game today people![/quote]


I'm just correcting the notion this was miscommunication. We don't have to be on the sideline when 2 parties are saying opposite stories.

You don't care about your head coach allowing your franchise QB to go back into the game without the doctor clearing him? You would be caring had he hurt it more or even tore the ACL in those plays. :doh:


Done with this topic. Onto the game.

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[quote=FRPLG;984164]And were any of us on the sideline to know exactly what happened? Jesus I couldn't care any less about this. We play a GD playoff football game today people![/quote]

Quoted for post strength, which is immense.

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[quote=FRPLG;984164]And were any of us on the sideline to know exactly what happened? Jesus I couldn't care any less about this. We play a GD playoff football game today people![/quote]

Disagree completely. If rg3 leaves todays game with an injury, refuses to let Andrews examine him, comes back in, exaggerates the injury, and misses all of next season because of it, we'll all care. This report shows us how reckless rg3 (and possibly the coaching staff) are managing his health during games. rG3 has been lucky with injuries so far, but eventually that luck will run out. He needs to let the team doctors do their job.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;984165]There is every reason to believe the game will play out exactly the wy most people think it will. The Seahawks are a much better team than we are in nearly every way. I'd give us a slight advantage in coaching, but that's it. Offensively and defensively, this game heavily favors the Seahawks. If we win, it will be due to coaching, the 12th man, and a good deal of luck.[/quote]

Check the Seattle-Miami game and the offensive concepts they run. I think we have a favorable matchup with our strengths vs their weaknesses.