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[quote=skinsfaninok;985414]So I check pft today and they are saying the skins fear that griffs injury is worse this time around.. fml. Good morning to me, oh and that Fletcher may have played his last game yesterday..[/quote]

Torn MCL is what I heard

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On The Knee - Shanny made a gut call and all but admitted he was wrong. In doing so, he seems to have considered the right factors (how is he playing, what's the med. staff saying, what's the athlete saying). The man has more experience with injured players than anyone on this board - I think he has earned the right to go with his gut.

As to the season - Wow. These last 8 weeks have been a great, great ride. We won the division, swept Dallas, made Tony Romo cry ... Thank you Skins! As someone else said, this crazy train is just starting to roll. Climb on board and enjoy the ride.

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[quote=SmootSmack;985437]Torn MCL is what I heard[/quote]

We're getting off easy if that's all it is. Hope the ACL isn't involved too.

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[quote=SmootSmack;985437]Torn MCL is what I heard[/quote]

If so, while not good, a torn MCL is not nearly as damaging as a torn ACL. Depending on the severity, surgery on a torn MCL may not even be necessary.

[quote]On average, it takes six weeks for a MCL injury to heal. The initial treatment for most grade 1, 2 or 3 MCL tears focuses on reducing the pain and inflammation in the knee while immobilizing the knee to keep it stabilized. ...

If the torn ligament does not heal sufficiently, you may experience instability in the joint, and you will be more susceptible to re-injury. [B]The MCL usually responds very well to non-surgical treatment, although surgery may be required in rare cases.[/B] Depending on the severity of the injury, a period of rest, bracing and physical therapy usually is sufficient to heal the tear.

Once the MCL has healed fully, you should have a minimum of long-term effects, providing there was no other damage to the knee.

Recovery times differ depending on the severity of the injury:

•A minor, or grade 1, MCL tear can take from a few days to a week and a half to heal sufficiently for you to return to normal activities, including sports.
•A grade 2 tear can take from two to four weeks to heal.
•A grade 3 tear usually takes from four to eight weeks to heal, unless it is associated with damage to the ACL, in which case the recovery time may be longer.[/quote]

[url=http://www.ucsfhealth.org/conditions/mcl_tear/treatment.html]MCL Tear Treatment | Conditions & Treatments | UCSF Medical Center[/url]

As long as the ACL is not injured, I think all will be fine.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;985437]Torn MCL is what I heard[/QUOTE]

Not too bad I guess

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[quote=JoeRedskin;985440]If so, while not good, a torn MCL is not nearly as damaging as a torn ACL. Depending on the severity, surgery on a torn MCL may not even be necessary.



[URL="http://www.ucsfhealth.org/conditions/mcl_tear/treatment.html"]MCL Tear Treatment | Conditions & Treatments | UCSF Medical Center[/URL]

As long as the ACL is not injured, I think all will be fine.[/quote]
Nice work Joe Redskin !

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[quote=NC_Skins;985374][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/47914/rg-iii-should-have-come-out-of-the-game]RG III should have come out of the game - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]


Dan Graziano does some good work for ESPN, and he hit another home run with this blog.[/quote]

You know what? 6 in one hand a half dozen in the other. If RG3 finished the game with the injury and had won, then Shanahan would be applauded this morning for making such a gutsy call.

If the doctors said that he was physically unable to play, I find it very very unlikely that Shanahan would have ignored that.

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Griffin knows how to rehab(done it once before), he was clearly trying to push through it. The biggest question will be how much he has learned about protecting himself, and only next season will let us know.

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Just like Mike Vick, I think it's in his DNA to play the way he does.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;985438]On The Knee - Shanny made a gut call and all but admitted he was wrong. In doing so, he seems to have considered the right factors (how is he playing, what's the med. staff saying, what's the athlete saying). [B]The man has more experience with injured players than anyone on this board[/B] - I think he has earned the right to go with his gut.

As to the season - Wow. These last 8 weeks have been a great, great ride. We won the division, swept Dallas, made Tony Romo cry ... Thank you Skins! As someone else said, this crazy train is just starting to roll. Climb on board and enjoy the ride.[/quote]
Get serious!
How can a lifetime as a successful NFL coach possibly stack up against the unlimited power of the..........Arm-chair?
Great Season! HTTR..

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Ya know, I was bitterly disappointed yesterday, because I expected the Redskins to win, no matter what. My wife saw how distraught I was after the game, and gave me my birthday present two months early: a Robert Griffin III jersey! I nearly wept like a baby! I really felt bad for this team, because the mentality was to go out there and beat Seattle, skill on skill. I have no doubt that if it was left up to that, a healthy RGIII would have beat the Seahawks soundly.

BUT, as we saw, RGIII wasn't healthy, the Seahawks smelled blood, and their game plan was knock Griffin out of the game, rough up Garcon, play mind games with the 'skins players to knock them off their concentration, and it worked. You can thank the refs for calling such a loose game that it worked in Seattle's favor. But, that style of playing only gets you so far.

A healthy Griffin next year, a healthy Orakpo, a healthy Fred Davis, a healthy Garcon, some upgrades in the secondary....this team is going to be deadly for years to come.

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Kory said he regrets trying to play yesterday. I don't think anything's been confirmed on Robert's knee.

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Shanahan has a 3 pm p conference this afternoon....I'm sure it will be a .....popular topic

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If I'm Snyder, I have Mike Shanahan and Dr. Andrews in my office first thing this morning. I then remove all "health related" playing decisions away from Shanahan and put the onus on my team doctor. Dr. Andrews is being paid by the team to do a job, and it appears to me either he's not doing his job, or Shanahan is overriding it.

To clear this up, and to protect the franchise's most valuable asset, you remove that decision from Mike. This isn't overreacting. I thought about this last night, and wanted to sleep on it before saying this. I woke up feeling the same today as I did last night. Did they not look at RGIII after that roll-out when he hurt himself again? Is our medical team that incompetent or is our coach that stubborn?

Mike appears not competent enough to judge when to pull a player due to health issues, so simply take that away from him and leave the X's and O's.

It's either one of two things. Bad coaching decision or bad medical staff. The only way you find out is remove the choice from the coach and it continues, you know to replace your medical staff.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;985433]Great season, I just hated seeing them go out like that. I hate what if losses. "What if Griff was 100%? Looking foward to free agency and the draft. It is just the idea that we don't play another meaningful game until September is the part I always hate.[/quote]

I hear you! I forgot what it felt like to lose a game. now we have to wait nearly a year before the next meainingful one. sigh.

I'm catching all the grief at work.

"Rg3 is done, he's Mike vick 2.0"

"Skins will b 6-10 next yr "


**** u idiots.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;985480]I'm catching all the grief at work.

"Rg3 is done, he's Mike vick 2.0"

"Skins will b 6-10 next yr "


**** u idiots.[/quote]

My retort would be something along the lines - "Well, he's already kicked the Cowboys out of the playoffs and made Tony Romo cry. Anything else is gravy."

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[quote=Hog1;985459]Get serious!
How can a lifetime as a successful NFL coach possibly stack up against the unlimited power of the..........Arm-chair?
Great Season! HTTR..[/quote]

Hey! Are you trying to ... hold me back??? Damn you!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;985443]You know what? 6 in one hand a half dozen in the other. If RG3 finished the game with the injury and had won, then Shanahan would be applauded this morning for making such a gutsy call.

If the doctors said that he was physically unable to play, I find it very very unlikely that Shanahan would have ignored that.[/quote]

Funny you disappear for months then show back up the day after we get knocked out of the playoffs. Why didn't you come back last Monday?

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Ngata cheap shot hurt him after he slid.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;985493]Ngata cheap shot hurt him after he slid.[/quote]


Do what? Am I missing the internet sarcasm here?

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Listening to the John Feinstein show this morning , he mentioned the
Team Dr. Over rules the HC on whether an injured should be allowed on the field. If that's the case my apologies to Shanahan. If RGIII suffered and MCL tear, i would still be very concerned since it's the same he tore up before and he's only 22 YO.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;985488]My retort would be something along the lines - "Well, he's already kicked the Cowboys out of the playoffs and made Tony Romo cry. Anything else is gravy."[/QUOTE]

Basically what I've said

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[quote=sandtrapjack;985443]You know what? 6 in one hand a half dozen in the other. If RG3 finished the game with the injury and had won, then Shanahan would be applauded this morning for making such a gutsy call.

If the doctors said that he was physically unable to play, I find it very very unlikely that Shanahan would have ignored that.[/quote]You haven't been here since before Turkey Day and now chime in with this $0.02 worth of malarkey?

Spare me.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;985493]Ngata cheap shot hurt him after he slid.[/quote]
I have no problem with Ngata's hit, since RG3 was diving forward, not sliding. I do have a problem with Shanny leaving Griffin in when he clearly didn't have his legs under him after aggravating his injury at the end of the 2nd drive. I also hate Kyle's call on that play. 1st and goal at the 5, Morris and the O-line are MAULING the Seahawks D, and you call a bootleg when your QB is less than 100%? Griffin could barely move after that, and though he completed the TD two plays later, even his passing was largely off target the remainder of the game. After the gruesome final play for Griffin, I'm just hoping that he dodged a bullet, but it never should have come to that. Cousins should have been in the game much earlier, but instead Shanny was clearly putting the franchise at risk.

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I couldn't help but think about Theismann's injury when I saw Robert's knee buckle. Just heart wrenching.

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[quote=NC_Skins;985472]If I'm Snyder, I have Mike Shanahan and Dr. Andrews in my office first thing this morning. I then remove all "health related" playing decisions away from Shanahan and put the onus on my team doctor. Dr. Andrews is being paid by the team to do a job, and it appears to me either he's not doing his job, or Shanahan is overriding it.

To clear this up, and to protect the franchise's most valuable asset, you remove that decision from Mike. This isn't overreacting. I thought about this last night, and wanted to sleep on it before saying this. I woke up feeling the same today as I did last night. Did they not look at RGIII after that roll-out when he hurt himself again? Is our medical team that incompetent or is our coach that stubborn?

Mike appears not competent enough to judge when to pull a player due to health issues, so simply take that away from him and leave the X's and O's.

It's either one of two things. Bad coaching decision or bad medical staff. The only way you find out is remove the choice from the coach and it continues, you know to replace your medical staff.[/quote]

i completely agree with your post. i feel this should have bene done a few seasons ago. there is absolutly no reason a coach or player should have the final call on them playing. there are far too many factors that could cloud their judgement. hopefully this is something that can be addressed this offseason. if you are going to pay the best doctor in the country to be on your sidelines for games, why not take his advice and run with it??

anyone hear anything else on griff's knee? i know someone with the redskins, it's not a great source, but it's a source and they heard that its an acl? anyone know when the results will be announced?

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[quote=12thMan;985515]I couldn't help but think about Theismann's injury when I saw Robert's knee buckle. Just heart wrenching.[/quote]

I watched the Theisman game. Trust me, this is nothing like what happened that night. Not even close. RG will be back.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;985522]I watched the Theisman game. Trust me, this is nothing like what happened that night. Not even close. RG will be back.[/quote]

I saw it too. Remember the game vividly. The images of it being a home game, nationally televised, and yes, the knee (Theismann's was a compound fracture) visibly buckling stirred those same images of what happened to Theismann. That's all I'm saying.

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Coming in from the West Coast! Glad to be here!
First post and just joined this forum.
I cannot help but think that this was a magical season!
NFC East Champs, Sweep Dallas, Knock off Giants!
I, along with the rest of Redskin nation held my breath when Griff went down. After watching it a few times, (my medical experience goes about as far as bandaging up my kids' boo boo's) I think Griffin will be fine.
I get tired of hearing Radio sports talk hosts talk about all the Negative (remember, I'm on the west coast so I hear all neg. about it.)
The progression of this team was far better than my expectation.
Looking forward to the next season.
Skins4ever!!

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[quote=NC_Skins;985472]If I'm Snyder, I have Mike Shanahan and Dr. Andrews in my office first thing this morning. I then remove all "health related" playing decisions away from Shanahan and put the onus on my team doctor. Dr. Andrews is being paid by the team to do a job, and it appears to me either he's not doing his job, or Shanahan is overriding it.

To clear this up, and to protect the franchise's most valuable asset, you remove that decision from Mike. This isn't overreacting. I thought about this last night, and wanted to sleep on it before saying this. I woke up feeling the same today as I did last night. Did they not look at RGIII after that roll-out when he hurt himself again? Is our medical team that incompetent or is our coach that stubborn?

Mike appears not competent enough to judge when to pull a player due to health issues, so simply take that away from him and leave the X's and O's.

It's either one of two things. Bad coaching decision or bad medical staff. The only way you find out is remove the choice from the coach and it continues, you know to replace your medical staff.[/quote]

I think everyone needs to calm down on this knee thing. It's a big deal cause we lost and he played poorly. It wasn't a big deal against Dallas, was it? A hurt RG3 was good enough to beat a lot of the teams during part of the win streak. It wasn't good enough to beat Seattle.

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[quote=NC_Skins;985472]If I'm Snyder, I have Mike Shanahan and Dr. Andrews in my office first thing this morning. I then remove all "health related" playing decisions away from Shanahan and put the onus on my team doctor. Dr. Andrews is being paid by the team to do a job, and it appears to me either he's not doing his job, or Shanahan is overriding it.

To clear this up, and to protect the franchise's most valuable asset, you remove that decision from Mike. This isn't overreacting.[B] I thought about this last night, and wanted to sleep on it before saying this.[/B] I woke up feeling the same today as I did last night. Did they not look at RGIII after that roll-out when he hurt himself again? Is our medical team that incompetent or is our coach that stubborn?

Mike appears not competent enough to judge when to pull a player due to health issues, so simply take that away from him and leave the X's and O's.

It's either one of two things. Bad coaching decision or bad medical staff. The only way you find out is remove the choice from the coach and it continues, you know to replace your medical staff.[/quote]

You literally slept on a post you wanted to post here and what the Skins need to do about RGIII's health. WOW! You live a charmed life I wish my only worries in life were a NFL football team and what to post on here.

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Coming in from the West Coast! Glad to be here!
First post and just joined this forum.
I cannot help but think that this was a magical season!
NFC East Champs, Sweep Dallas, Knock off Giants!
I, along with the rest of Redskin nation held my breath when Griff went down. After watching it a few times, (my medical experience goes about as far as bandaging up my kids' boo boo's) I think Griffin will be fine.
I get tired of hearing Radio sports talk hosts talk about all the Negative (remember, I'm on the west coast so I hear all neg. about it.)
The progression of this team was far better than my expectation.
Looking forward to the next season.
Skins4ever!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;985535]I think everyone needs to calm down on this knee thing. It's a big deal cause we lost and he played poorly. It wasn't a big deal against Dallas, was it? A hurt RG3 was good enough to beat a lot of the teams during part of the win streak. It wasn't good enough to beat Seattle.[/quote]

I dont think you can compare the 2.Dallas game RG3 was probably at 80%
After the rollout at the goalline where he reagravated it,he was around 35% and shouldnt have been in the game

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/07/trent-williams-richard-sherman-make-peace/]Trent Williams, Richard Sherman make peace | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;985535]I think everyone needs to calm down on this knee thing. It's a big deal cause we lost and he played poorly. It wasn't a big deal against Dallas, was it? A hurt RG3 was good enough to beat a lot of the teams during part of the win streak. It wasn't good enough to beat Seattle.[/quote]

He wasn't a hurt RG3in this game, he was a re-injured RG3, and it showed. Shanahan should have recognized it.

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I sat in the corner yesterday in the dream seats on the end zone where we scored both of our touchdowns. My takes from the game were:

-Pulling RGIII is a decision that will be graded by the win or loss. Shanny pulls Griff and we hold on for the win, he's a genius. We lose after taking him out up 14 points and he'd be slaughtered. So I really believe there is no right answer with that decision.

-The seahawks defense is the most degenerate dirty unit I have ever seen. After the second touchdown, stepping on Griffin's foot was pitiful. They're cheaters both on and off the field, and I went from a huge fan of that team to a large enemy.

-Not having Orakpo hurt us more yesterday than most days. After the first quarter, we stopped getting to Wilson, and another big athletic OLB putting some pressure on him would have been helpful.

-Wasnt very pleased by the game plan. Too many cute throws, and too many passes on first down were not good decisions, especially when your quarterback is clearly far from his normal self. Needed more ground and pound outta AlfMo.

-Overall, I am beyond pleased with this season. I said going in that we were somewhere between 7-9 wins this season and we went above that. This team is young, talented, and full of heart. Cant wait until training camp!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;985443]You know what? 6 in one hand a half dozen in the other. If RG3 finished the game with the injury and had won, then Shanahan would be applauded this morning for making such a gutsy call.

If the doctors said that he was physically unable to play, I find it very very unlikely that Shanahan would have ignored that.[/quote]

LOL. I love how you come in here and make a good point, and everyone ignores it in favor of attacking you for showing up the day after your opponent's playoff loss. Just bad timing for you man.

S/N I agree with your points.

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Too much bashing of the decision to play him.

While Griffin did not look 100% against Dallas last week, he still played well and led us to a big victory. After another week, who actually predicted his knee would be worse? 4 weeks after the injury that we were told would take 2 weeks to heal, it should have been better, right?

When the game started, he did look about the same as in the Dallas game, but I didn't see the injury coming. When we went up 14-0, it looked like a great decision to play RGIII. In fact, because of the Dallas game, the thought of benching him didn't even cross my mind. Another week removed from the initial injury, I expected him to be even better than last week, possibly near 100% except for any hindrance from the bulky brace.

Seattle did play dirty. They seemed intent on cheap shots, late hits and injuring RGIII. They succeeded.

You're a liar if you saw this coming. He not only survived the Dallas game last week, he led us to victory.

Unfortunate ending to an amazing season, but I do not blame the , doctor, coach or the player for this injury. He looked ready to play and the first quarter just solidified that. He was our best chance to win. We had a lead after 3 quarters and couldn't stop Lynch when it mattered most.

Great season. Heal up and do it all over again, Robert.

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[quote=Monkeydad;985570]Too much bashing of the decision to play him.

While Griffin did not look 100% against Dallas last week, he still played well and led us to a big victory. After another week, who actually predicted his knee would be worse? 4 weeks after the injury that we were told would take 2 weeks to heal, it should have been better, right?

When the game started, he did look about the same as in the Dallas game, but I didn't see the injury coming. When we went up 14-0, it looked like a great decision to play RGIII. In fact, because of the Dallas game, the thought of benching him didn't even cross my mind. After week removed from the initial injury, I expected him to be even better than last week, possibly near 100% except for any hindrance from the bulky brace.

Seattle did play dirty. They seemed intent on cheap shots, late hits and injuring RGIII. They succeeded.

You're a liar if you saw this coming. He not only survived the Dallas game last week, he led us to victory.

Unfortunate ending to an amazing season, but I do not blame the , doctor, coach or the player for this injury. He looked ready to play and the first quarter just solidified that. He was our best chance to win. We had a lead after 3 quarters and couldn't stop Lynch when it mattered most.

Great season. Heal up and do it all over again, Robert.[/quote]:goodjob: