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[quote=Ruhskins;985849]Not that I am being optimistic, but a lot of (not-so-reliable) news outlets are going to put up outrageous stuff out there for a while until everything is confirmed.

RT @DanHellie: Report out of Richmond from WRIC about @RGIII tearing ACL/PCL and being out 14-18 months is false. They are recanting story.

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I'm waiting for bleacherreport to report that theyre going to have to amputate.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985857]I'm waiting for bleacherreport to report that theyre going to have to amputate.[/quote]

nah, they're just saying he's out for 48-60 months

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[quote=mlmpetert;985800]And Terrell Suggs after he tore his achillies in May. Hopefully Griffin will be an incredibly rare exception too.[/quote]

We all know that RG is an "incredibly rare exception". Hopefully in the healing department as well.

Does anyone know how long he was out when he did his ACL in college?

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[quote=mredskins;985855]I keep Andrews, seems like a nice guy. Otherwise great idea.[/quote]

Oh and sue the knee brace company too, it obviously didn't work

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985857]I'm waiting for bleacherreport to report that theyre going to have to amputate.[/quote]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

BTW, did you guys hear that the BR is going to be CNN's new Sports site (or something like that)???

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;985859]We all know that RG is an "incredibly rare exception". Hopefully in the healing department as well.

Does anyone know how long he was out when he did his ACL in college?[/quote]
as someone else said, he went down in the 3rd game (out of 12) so he had the whole season basically, plus the off-season. The real question, which I doubt we could get an answer to, is when did he and his coaches know he was back and good to go.

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[quote=bighairedaristocrat;985857]i'm waiting for bleacherreport to report that theyre going to have to amputate.[/quote]lol!

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[quote=los panda;985835]how is it shanny's fault? i don't get it, he's not a doctor...[/quote]


A guy on the radio down here said that you dont ask players if they can still play. Its like asking your kids if they want to stay up late and watch tv. Players want to play, kids want to stay up late.

I dont really blame anyone, but if i had to point fingers i would go with Shanny. Injuries are gonna happen, thats just life, but RGIII should have been taken out because he was inaffective. I think RG should have come out by the start of the 4th. And in retrospect, KC gave us a better chance to win right after our second touchdown.

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I wish people would just get off the stupid "gotta blame somebody" bandwagon. What happened happened. Get over with. Nobody to blame. It's not going to magically heal Griffin's knee.

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[quote=skinsguy;985872]I wish people would just get off the stupid "gotta blame somebody" bandwagon. What happened happened. Get over with. Nobody to blame. It's not going to magically heal Griffin's knee.[/quote]

This is an internet forum....

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[quote=skinsguy;985872]I wish people would just get off the stupid "gotta blame somebody" bandwagon. What happened happened. Get over with. Nobody to blame. It's not going to magically heal Griffin's knee.[/quote]

I normally agree 100%. I hate when people say you shouldn't' have called that play or you shouldn't have started him -- those are all hindsight is 20/20 type of things. I especially hate when someone says they didn't play hard enough just because a team lost.

But show me someone who said "Griffen gives them the best chance to win this game and should be in." I found one: Shanahan.

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[B][SIZE="3"]Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn
Redskins have one of NFL's best coaches and world's greatest orthopedic surgeon on sideline and let 22-year-old kid decide whether he plays?[/SIZE][/B]

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[quote=Bushead;985875]I normally agree 100%. I hate when people say you shouldn't' have called that play or you shouldn't have started him -- those are all hindsight is 20/20 type of things. I especially hate when someone says they didn't play hard enough just because a team lost.

[B][I]But show me someone who said "Griffen gives them the best chance to win this game and should be in." I found one: Shanahan.[/I][/B][/quote]

The players don't believe coach Mike Shanahan should have turned to rookie backup Kirk Cousins, even with Griffin struggling to move, plant his feet and complete passes.

"Not at all,'' Moss said. "Robert's our starting quarterback, if he can go at 60%, he's better than half the guys out there. He could barely run the last three weeks and he's still hard to catch.

Added receiver Pierre Garcon: "You have to live or die with your quarterback if he says he can play,'' receiver Pierre Garcon said. "If he feels he can help the team, we gave him the say so. You don't want to second guess your quarterback.''

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[quote=skinsguy;985872]I wish people would just get off the stupid "gotta blame somebody" bandwagon. What happened happened. Get over with. Nobody to blame. It's not going to magically heal Griffin's knee.[/quote]


Exactly. To me it's already over and done with. If RG3 can't start 2013 then Kirk Cousins will be the starter. Just an FYI... Cousins can play and he's already proven that he can play at a high level. I would expect him to play even better next year.

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[quote=skinsguy;985872]I wish people would just get off the stupid "gotta blame somebody" bandwagon. What happened happened. Get over with. Nobody to blame. It's not going to magically heal Griffin's knee.[/quote]

Totally agree.

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[quote=mlmpetert;985868]A guy on the radio down here said that you dont ask players if they can still play. Its like asking your kids if they want to stay up late and watch tv. Players want to play, kids want to stay up late.

I dont really blame anyone, but if i had to point fingers i would go with Shanny. Injuries are gonna happen, thats just life, but RGIII should have been taken out because he was inaffective. I think RG should have come out by the start of the 4th. And in retrospect, KC gave us a better chance to win right after our second touchdown.[/quote]

But that's the point, you don't have to point fingers. Unless you want to, of course, but you'll be in bad company. There's just no point to it...

Let's just hope for the best result, great medical care, and an amazing recovery. Suggs and Peterson are out there to give us hope that things can go quicker than conventional medical wisdom.

HTTR

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Has anyone made any statement on the " stability " of the knee ? I assume they did some manual movement " test " before he walked off the field ? Wishing the best , Mr. Griffen is a very impressive young man , so glad he is on our team !

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;985893]But that's the point, you don't have to point fingers. Unless you want to, of course, but you'll be in bad company. There's just no point to it...

Let's just hope for the best result, great medical care, and an amazing recovery. Suggs and Peterson are out there to give us hope that things can go quicker than conventional medical wisdom.

HTTR[/quote]


You are right.

I dont blame Shanahan for Griffin's injury. But i do blame Shanahan for the loss.

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[quote=skinsguy;985872]I wish people would just get off the stupid "gotta blame somebody" bandwagon. What happened happened. Get over with. Nobody to blame. It's not going to magically heal Griffin's knee.[/quote]

Well it wouldnt be a problem if I cant blame Snyder for it. He shoulda never thought RG3 could stay in.

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Only a Dallas fan would start a thread hoping that their rival QB would be out 14-18 months

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[B]LL ‏@HTTR24_7

Nope RT @Whtdiddydo: @HTTR24_7 Now Snyder flying along with the crew to Dr. Andrews. Can't be good. [/B]

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I'm saying right now look at the freeze-frame pictures from the two injuries to the knee last night...

That knee is severely, severely injured... far more than a "sprain," obviously.

Also... Can we PLEASE stop saying Adrian Peterson around here... Out of the 1,000s and 1,000s of ACL tears, he came back BY-FAR the fastest ever. And now, EVERYONE is EXPECTED to be back 100% in 8 months??

BEST CASE scenario, RG3 will be out until October-November, minimum, and we all have to know by now that the Redskins will NOT let him step on the football field until he is 101% healed... right??

This ACL/PCL/LCL combination will be more like Tom Brady... not AP.

This is not being overly dramatic... this is being sensible and reasonable.

:twocents:

(Will refer back to this post at a later date... lol)

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;985906][B]LL ‏@HTTR24_7

Nope RT @Whtdiddydo: @HTTR24_7 Now Snyder flying along with the crew to Dr. Andrews. Can't be good. [/B][/QUOTE]
O lord

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why does snyder going make it worse?

[QUOTE=los panda;985910]why does snyder going make it worse?[/QUOTE]

Exactly, people are trying to make this into some horrific injury, I mean worst case scenario he's out for start of 2013. My God they act like his leg is snapped off

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[quote=los panda;985910]why does snyder going make it worse?[/quote]

It reminds me how Jerry Jones thinks he makes things better by going to the sidelines when the Cowgirls are losing.

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So most of us beleive theres really no one to blame. But in the spirit of speculation, lets say we find out RGIII is gonna miss next year and people say hes never gonna be the same:

Does Snyder have to find a scapegoat to fire?
After the USA Today thing is James Andrews gonna have issue working with Shanahan?

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[quote=NC_Skins;985906][B]LL ‏@HTTR24_7

Nope RT @Whtdiddydo: @HTTR24_7 Now Snyder flying along with the crew to Dr. Andrews. Can't be good. [/B][/quote]

Coming soon, artificial knee.

There sure is a lot of hullabaloo. I sure hope this is more hype than it sounds because by the way everyone's talking it makes it seem like the guy's career is over.

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Man o man this is heartbreaking ... Shanny can't go down for this though ... Shanny is what's right with organization along with Bruce Allen ... RG3 played through pain the last 2 weeks and we all dealt with it. Yeah he was banged up like hell but apparently he was getting better each week. Hell he wasn't even wearing a brace in warmups. IF that fumbled snap doesn't happen who knows what we are talking about. I just hope so much that he is ok and nothing is torn. Redskins Nation does not deserve this, not after 20 years of pain and waiting for Fed Ex to finally become RFK 2.0. This feels like a nightmare

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[quote=skinsguy;985872]I wish people would just get off the stupid "gotta blame somebody" bandwagon. What happened happened. Get over with. Nobody to blame. It's not going to magically heal Griffin's knee.[/quote]



So you want the entire fanbase to simply ignore one of the biggest blunders this organization has ever produced? Yes, I think not pulling your star QB (whom you just gave up the farm for) when it was evident he was injured and ineffective is one of the bigger blunders I've seen to date with this organization. First would be hiring Vinny.


Nobody gave a damn about Leslie Frazier pulling Ponder for a injury. Nobody. Not a single peep. Sure they lost, but I don't blame Frazier for not starting Ponder.

This isn't a hindsight issue. This is a complete failure on the part of our medical staff and our coaching staff. There are no two ways about it. No hindsight bullshit either...this isn't a hindsight issue.

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[quote=NC_Skins;985917]So you want the entire fanbase to simply ignore one of the biggest blunders this organization has ever produced? Yes, I think not pulling your star QB (whom you just gave up the farm for) when it was evident he was injured and ineffective is one of the bigger blunders I've seen to date with this organization. First would be hiring Vinny.


Nobody gave a damn about Leslie Frazier pulling Ponder for a injury. Nobody. Not a single peep. Sure they lost, but I don't blame Frazier for not starting Ponder.

This isn't a hindsight issue. This is a complete failure on the part of our medical staff and our coaching staff. There are no two ways about it. No hindsight bullshit either...this isn't a hindsight issue.[/quote]but ponder never walked on water

[QUOTE=DCtoAZ;985916]Man o man this is heartbreaking ... Shanny can't go down for this though ... Shanny is what's right with organization along with Bruce Allen ... RG3 played through pain the last 2 weeks and we all dealt with it. Yeah he was banged up like hell but apparently he was getting better each week. Hell he wasn't even wearing a brace in warmups. IF that fumbled snap doesn't happen who knows what we are talking about. I just hope so much that he is ok and nothing is torn. Redskins Nation does not deserve this, not after 20 years of pain and waiting for Fed Ex to finally become RFK 2.0. This feels like a nightmare[/QUOTE]

I'm speechless, if he's out for good idk what to do. Finally we had hope and now it could back ripped from us. I know cousins has potential and I think he's good but damn RGIII was a top 10 QB

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[quote=NC_Skins;985917]

Nobody gave a damn about Leslie Frazier pulling Ponder for a injury. Nobody. Not a single peep. Sure they lost, but I don't blame Frazier for not starting Ponder.

[/quote]

come on bro,nobody gave a shit about Frazier pulling Ponder because he sucks and just hands it to AP. RG3 PLAYED THE LAST 2 WEEKS AND WE WON. WTF are you talking about. He landed weirdly trying to get that bad snap and yes he was hindered but we were winning that damn game for most of the day. Don't compare FRAZIER/PONDER/WEBB TO SHANNY/RG3/KIRK COUSINS

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[quote=NC_Skins;985917]So you want the entire fanbase to simply ignore one of the biggest blunders this organization has ever produced? Yes, I think not pulling your star QB (whom you just gave up the farm for) when it was evident he was injured and ineffective is one of the bigger blunders I've seen to date with this organization. First would be hiring Vinny.


Nobody gave a damn about Leslie Frazier pulling Ponder for a injury. Nobody. Not a single peep. Sure they lost, but I don't blame Frazier for not starting Ponder.

This isn't a hindsight issue. This is a complete failure on the part of our medical staff and our coaching staff. There are no two ways about it. No hindsight bullshit either...this isn't a hindsight issue.[/quote]

What's the point of the blame game? In the end, RG3 is the one that knows how he feels and what he is capable/not capable of doing. Doctors are not going to have an MRI/X-Rays right then and there to fully say what is going on. Hell, we don't even now after an MRI no one knows what's going on. Shanahan's needs to worry about now what to do without RG3 in the near future. And RG3 needs to learn from this, get better, and move on.

I don't blame shanahan for playing rg3. You ride the qb who brought you to the playoffs once you get there. Don't forget that cousins missed time with the flu during the week. He wasn't injured, but he wasn't 100% either... even if just as a result of preparation.

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I suggest everyone take a break from all this, and first of all breath. Go watch a movie, play some games, anything and wait until we actually know what the real diagnosis is before flipping out.

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Mike Shanahan was suppose to put Kirk Cousins in the game. He saw that the offense was not effective. He saw that Seattle was coming back. He saw that RG3 wasn't himself. Shanahan also saw that the offense was stalling because of RG3's knee injury. Mike Shanahan should have taken RG3 out when he should have. Instead he sacrificed the future of our team by allowing Griffin III to continue playing.

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[quote=Ruhskins;985925]What's the point of the blame game? In the end, RG3 is the one that knows how he feels and what he is capable/not capable of doing. Doctors are not going to have an MRI/X-Rays right then and there to fully say what is going on. Hell, we don't even now after an MRI no one knows what's going on. Shanahan's needs to worry about now what to do without RG3 in the near future. And RG3 needs to learn from this, get better, and move on.[/quote]


You cannot listen to a player in regards to a injury. He could have had a broken spine and still been begging to get in the game. That's how they are. This decision is up to a medical staff and coaching staff. C'mon man, it was obvious this guy should not have been playing. You don't need a medical degree or even stay at a Holiday Inn Express to saw that. Some things are just blatantly obvious. That was one of them.


Again, I think after this, those duties should be stripped from Shanahan and put on the world renowned doctor they've hired.
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[SIZE="3"]Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

Mike Shanahan said he didn't speak to the doctors between Robert Griffin's 1st quarter re-aggravation & when the QB came back into game.[/SIZE] [/B][/B]

^^See...this shit is a problem. A huge problem.

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Ok I'm hearing its a possible partial ACL and LCL year ....