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[quote=mredskins;987641]He doesn't seem all that average to me and BOTH his knees work.[/quote]

He is a backup quarterback, if the skins really believe he will be an answer as a starter they would be mistaken. Look at Flynn, Kolb from philly, there is a reason they are listed number 2 in depth charts. There was also a reason the skins did not want cousins to play in the playoff game. Maybe cause they knew Cousins would not win them that game. Extremely small sample size with Cousins and Redskins fans act like he is going to come in next year and take the team to the playoffs... Cousins is a great backup... average starter.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/10/nflpa-nears-decision-on-demanding-investigation-of-robert-griffin-iiis-injury/?wprss=rss_football-insider]NFLPA nears decision on demanding investigation of Robert Griffin III’s injury[/url]

[quote]The NFL Players Association is expected to decide soon, perhaps Friday, whether to demand a formal investigation of the Washington Redskins’ handling of the knee injury suffered by quarterback Robert Griffin III under the sport’s collective bargaining agreement, a person familiar with the situation said Thursday.[/quote]


This will be interesting if they push it.

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[quote=donofriose;987646]He is a backup quarterback, if the skins really believe he will be an answer as a starter they would be mistaken. Look at Flynn, Kolb from philly, there is a reason they are listed number 2 in depth charts. There was also a reason the skins did not want cousins to play in the playoff game. Maybe cause they knew Cousins would not win them that game. Extremely small sample size with Cousins and Redskins fans act like he is going to come in next year and take the team to the playoffs... Cousins is a great backup... average starter.[/quote]

Well, actually, we don't know what he is, and what he can be. My guess is he will get a lot of preseason playing time, and then we might have a slightly better idea.

There is also a reason he was the game 1 backup and not Rexy. There's also a reason that when all three were active (for only one game) Cousins was listed as the backup.

We don't know what Cousins upside is, and comparisons to Brady are unrealistic at this point, but he did show some good things. I am excited that we go into next season, even with RGIII hobbled, with what looks to be a solid qb setup. That's simply unheard of as a Redskins fan.

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[quote=donofriose;987646]He is a backup quarterback, if the skins really believe he will be an answer as a starter they would be mistaken. Look at Flynn, Kolb from philly, there is a reason they are listed number 2 in depth charts. There was also a reason the skins did not want cousins to play in the playoff game. Maybe cause they knew Cousins would not win them that game. Extremely small sample size with Cousins and Redskins fans act like he is going to come in next year and take the team to the playoffs... Cousins is a great backup... average starter.[/quote]

Way too early to make such claims about Cousins' ability to be a legit starter. Way too early

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[quote=NC_Skins;987647][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/10/nflpa-nears-decision-on-demanding-investigation-of-robert-griffin-iiis-injury/?wprss=rss_football-insider"]NFLPA nears decision on demanding investigation of Robert Griffin III’s injury[/URL]




This will be interesting if they push it.[/quote]

This finger pointing is really silly. I have come to the conclusion that if you want to blame someone, blame Robert Griffin III. I know he is 22 and thinks he is Superman, but you have to listen to your body better. Forget the knee recovery, I hope he recovers and matures in his brain. Know when to sit down because YOU CAN"T WALK! I mean Geez. and to all these experts who say the Redskins shouldn't run the read option? You guys are crazy. Keep running it, but buy RGIII a slippy slide this summer and pour water on it and teach the man to slide. some one needs to make a complation video of Peyton and Tom Brady's slides. Dr. Andrews... part of RGIII's rehabilitation is watching that video everyday!

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[quote=donofriose;987645]Stephen McGee, Kafka, Skelton, Crompton, Rusty Smith, Dan LeFevour, Nate Davis, Rhett Bomar... You know what they have in common with Tom Brady and Cousins? They were drafted in the 4th round or later... You go with the norm not the outlier. There is a reason the vast majority of franchise starting quarterbacks are taken in the first round. Tom Brady being the exception. Not the rule.

Don't compare Cousins to Brady.[/quote]

I just did.
And you cant predict the future.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;987640]*cough* Tom Brady*cough*[/quote]


I dont really understand your response to donofriso. But this may be an oppertunity for KC to become a Matt Cassell, in the sense we can trade him after he plays well for an exteneded time. Although KC is still very very unproven, this is a huge oppertunity for him and Kyle Shanahan.

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[quote=NC_Skins;987647][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/10/nflpa-nears-decision-on-demanding-investigation-of-robert-griffin-iiis-injury/?wprss=rss_football-insider]NFLPA nears decision on demanding investigation of Robert Griffin III’s injury[/url]




This will be interesting if they push it.[/quote]

Why push for an investigation about RGIII and not Tony Romo, Mike Vick, Dez Bryant, T.O., Jason Witten, Phillip Rivers, Donovan McNabb, and all the other players who played through similar - and some LIFE-THREATENING - injuries?

I went on a rant about this in the rant thread, but it seems everyone is making a huge deal of the skins handling of RGIII, while instead praising those players/teams for doing the same thing.

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[quote=SmootSmack;987654]Way too early to make such claims about Cousins' ability to be a legit starter. Way too early[/quote]

Yeah not sure how anyone can make any grand conclusions about him with 1 start under his belt. A start that he shined in no less. Let's wait and see.

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[quote=mlmpetert;987661]I dont really understand your response to donofriso. But this may be an oppertunity for KC to become a Matt Cassell, in the sense we can trade him after he plays well for an exteneded time. Although KC is still very very unproven, this is a huge oppertunity for him and Kyle Shanahan.[/quote]

Bledso went down Brady came in, history.

RGIII went down, Cousins cam in ?

See how he did it now?

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[quote=Mattyk;987665]Yeah not sure how anyone can make any grand conclusions about him with 1 start under his belt. A start that he shined in no less. Let's wait and see.[/quote]

I am just saying he shows potential. Would you be very upset with PM and Cousins on your team? I think that is a pretty bright future plus 3 extra number one picks.

Right now Cousins ability to be a legit starter is just as much in question as RGIII coming back to being a what we saw earlier in the year from him. you may very well never see that kind of speed out of him ever again. I hate to say and it pains me but it is a legit concern.

Out of the 3 rookies Wilson, RG, and Luck. RIGHT NOW I take the health Wilson or Luck over a question mark RGIII.

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[quote=mredskins;987667]I am just saying he shows potential. Would you be very upset with PM and Cousins on your team? I think that is a pretty bright future plus 3 extra number one picks.

Right now Cousins ability to be a legit starter is just as much in question as RGIII coming back to being a what we saw earlier in the year from him. you may very well never see that kind of speed out of him ever again. I hate to say and it pains me but it is a legit concern.

Out of the 3 rookies Wilson, RG, and Luck. RIGHT NOW I take the health Wilson or Luck over a question mark RGIII.[/quote]

You're just emotional RIGHT NOW. Of course I'd take a healthy Wilson over RGIII (who just had surgery) RIGHT NOW

But just a month ago you were saying you'd take Griffin over Wilson and the picks

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[quote=mredskins;987667]I am just saying he shows potential. [B]Would you be very upset with PM and Cousins on your team? I think that is a pretty bright future plus 3 extra number one picks. [/B]

Right now Cousins ability to be a legit starter is just as much in question as RGIII coming back to being a what we saw earlier in the year from him. you may very well never see that kind of speed out of him ever again. I hate to say and it pains me but it is a legit concern.

[B]Out of the 3 rookies Wilson, RG, and Luck. RIGHT NOW I take the health Wilson or Luck over a question mark RGIII[/B].[/quote]

This kinda stuff is pointless.

Of course KC has potential, very good potential IMO.

My post was more in response to donofriose saying he's a good backup but an average starter. We don't know that yet.

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this was [URL="http://fauxjohnmadden.lockerdome.com/articles/104671985"]funny[/URL]:
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[quote=Alvin Walton;987640]*cough* Tom Brady*cough*[/quote]

Yeah, Cousins is probably as good as Brady; no reason to think otherwise.

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[quote=Mattyk;987672]This kinda stuff is pointless.

Of course KC has potential, very good potential IMO.

My post was more in response to donofriose saying he's a good backup but an average starter. We don't know that yet.[/quote]

I'll agree with that. we don't know yet. I rephrase what I say and will say I predict he will be an average starter, and once teams have more tape on him he will be a backup quarterback for the rest of his career. But it is a prediction. Time will tell. It came off as if I was saying it was a fact already, but it is more of a prediction.

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I also think comparing any quarterback to Manning or Brady is foolish. Their career accomplishments are incredible and saying Cousins could be a 3 time super bowl champion with 5 superbowl appearances, 2 time MVP, and the best winning percentage ever seems like one of the most foolish players to compare anyone to, even a healthy RG3.

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[quote=NC_Skins;987643][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--robert-griffin-iii--other-nfl-players-likely-fearful-of--jay-cutler--treatment-224309228.html;_ylt=Aq7AgcLMSHS1SyyegZlh4.FDubYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1bGgycnM4BG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBORkwEcGtnAzgyMTc0ZDlhLTQ1NGMtMzM1NC1iYTFlLTZjMmQ4MjE3Njk2MwRwb3MDMQRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyA2I3OWU3YTAzLTVhZjUtMTFlMi04Y2ZmLTMwYWY1ZjI0MjI3MQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoZHY1MWJpBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANuZmwEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3"]Robert Griffin III, other NFL players likely fearful of 'Jay Cutler' treatment - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]


Somehow I think it does play a big part. The one thing I can tell with RGIII is that he tries to prove his toughness. You can see it in the quotes.






...and there countless of other quotes just like this. He has nothing to prove, and I certainly don't think anybody has questioned his heart. Even if they did, who gives a ****.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Cowherd was recently talking about the difference in the way people responded to Cutler vs the response to Griffin. The main difference, he rationalized, is that Griffin is a very likable guy, Cutler isnt. Cutler often comes across as bitchy or asshole like. Griffin comes across as an extremely hard worker, takes all the responsibility and always says the right thing but not in the sense of being a pushover. The easiest way to avoid the “Cutler treatment” when injured, is to not act like him when healthy. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]That said, I think Griffin still has a whole lot to prove. And if acted like he didn’t have anything to prove, then he probably wouldn’t be the player we are all enamored with[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mredskins;987666]Bledso went down Brady came in, history.

RGIII went down, Cousins cam in ?

[B]See how he did it now[/B]?[/quote]


Perhaps.

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Brady was a once in a lifetime deal. Everyone likes to use that example but how many other players have replicated what he did?

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If we're talking hindsight, of course we'd rather have a healthy Wilson than an injured RGIII. But who's to say if we'd drafted Wilson, he'd have the same success here or not get hurt himself?

In hindsight, i think i'd probably prefer to sign manning in FA, draft cousins, and keep all our draft picks. We'd probably have earned a 1st round bye and be on our way to the superbowl.

But as the great Steve spurrier said highsight is always 50/50. I think the skins made the best decisions with the information they had at the time. RGIII was a great pick and im glad we selected him.

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[quote=Coff;987676]Yeah, Cousins is probably as good as Brady; no reason to think otherwise.[/quote]

I didnt say he was. The point I'm making is that Cousins is like Brady ( like Brady [I]was[/I]) and was hired as a back up. Cousins future is unwritten.
To say right now that he will never be a successful starter is purely guessing.
He could be the next Kerry collins or Trent Dilfer.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987699]If we're talking hindsight, of course we'd rather have a healthy Wilson than an injured RGIII. But who's to say if we'd drafted Wilson, he'd have the same success here or not get hurt himself?

In hindsight, i think i'd probably prefer to sign manning in FA, draft cousins, and keep all our draft picks. We'd probably have earned a 1st round bye and be on our way to the superbowl.

But as the great Steve spurrier said highsight is always 50/50. I think the skins made the best decisions with the information they had at the time. RGIII was a great pick and im glad we selected him.[/quote]

They did make a great decision, and I would have loved to have Manning in the fold right now with a rookie backup. BUT the fact is PM didnt want to come to DC so we got who we got. If he hadnt been injured we would all still be happy and eagerly awaiting next year or we would be preparing to face the Falcons. Who knows.

I am still stoked to have RG III and it is impossible to predict his future as of know.

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[quote=scowan;987655]This finger pointing is really silly. I have come to the conclusion that if you want to blame someone, blame Robert Griffin III. I know he is 22 and thinks he is Superman, but you have to listen to your body better. Forget the knee recovery, I hope he recovers and matures in his brain. Know when to sit down because YOU CAN"T WALK! I mean Geez. and to all these experts who say the Redskins shouldn't run the read option? You guys are crazy. Keep running it, but buy RGIII a slippy slide this summer and pour water on it and teach the man to slide. some one needs to make a complation video of Peyton and Tom Brady's slides. Dr. Andrews... part of RGIII's rehabilitation is watching that video everyday![/quote]

I agree 100%, if any of you havent seen Inside the NFL this week, check it out. TW was miked up and went over to RG III after our second TD. RG admitted that he tweaked his knee to him and that he would play it safe. Unfortunately he didn't. There are also some other great sound bites from them through out the game.

AND it will also make you dislike Seattle's defense even more by the way they handled themselves after the game.

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[quote=scowan;987655]This finger pointing is really silly. I have come to the conclusion that if you want to blame someone, blame Robert Griffin III. I know he is 22 and thinks he is Superman, but you have to listen to your body better. Forget the knee recovery, I hope he recovers and matures in his brain. Know when to sit down because YOU CAN"T WALK! I mean Geez. and to all these experts who say the Redskins shouldn't run the read option? You guys are crazy. Keep running it, but buy RGIII a slippy slide this summer and pour water on it and teach the man to slide. some one needs to make a complation video of Peyton and Tom Brady's slides. Dr. Andrews... part of RGIII's rehabilitation is watching that video everyday![/quote]

I see what you did. You make funny joke about Jim Zorn.

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[quote=Mattyk;987672]This kinda stuff is pointless.

Of course KC has potential, very good potential IMO.

My post was more in response to donofriose saying he's a good backup but an average starter. We don't know that yet.[/quote]

I agree it is a bit pointless but it is the off season and this is a discussion board.

You know who I attribute RGII to or fear he will become. Jacoby Ellsbury. I love the Sox and he is one of my favorites. The guy is lights out when healthy; WHEN HEALTHY.

So RGIII can be better then Luck and/or Wilson and/or the entire NFL but if he can't get back on or stay on the field he is useless.

It was said all season that the knock on RGIII is can he stay healthy. In his FIRST season he has had a concussion and a major knee injury (his 2nd of his career).

I am not arguing with you at all and I went RG to be the best ever as well but at this point if history is a indicator of the future you got be nervous as a Skins fan.

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[quote=Mattyk;987696]Brady was a once in a lifetime deal. Everyone likes to use that example but how many other players have replicated what he did?[/quote]

For a 6th round draft pick, Tom Brady was certainly the most underrated NFL draft pick of all time. He was the steal of all steals coming out of Michigan.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;987707]They did make a great decision, and I would have loved to have Manning in the fold right now with a rookie backup. BUT the fact is PM didnt want to come to DC so we got who we got. If he hadnt been injured we would all still be happy and eagerly awaiting next year or we would be preparing to face the Falcons. Who knows.

I am still stoked to have RG III and it is impossible to predict his future as of know.[/quote]

Its my understanding PM DID want to come here, and we were very interested, but the Salary Cap penalty kind of ruined that.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987728]Its my understanding PM DID want to come here, and we were very interested, but the Salary Cap penalty kind of ruined that.[/quote]

Your timing is about a week off.. The salary cap penalty came at the dawn on free agency on Monday afternoon.. The previous week it was clear Manning wasn't coming here and we made the RG3 trade with the Rams. He made it known he wasn't interested in facing his brother twice a year. We never had a legitimate shot at Manning.

Even with the injury, I'm 100% satisfied we made the moves we did. Our short and long term future is much brighter with RG3 than it would have been with Manning.

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[quote=Paintrain;987732]Your timing is about a week off.. The salary cap penalty came at the dawn on free agency on Monday afternoon.. The previous week it was clear Manning wasn't coming here and we made the RG3 trade with the Rams. He made it known he wasn't interested in facing his brother twice a year. We never had a legitimate shot at Manning.

Even with the injury, I'm 100% satisfied we made the moves we did. Our short and long term future is much brighter with RG3 than it would have been with Manning.[/quote]

The penalty was [I]announced[/I] at that time, but, contrary to what Shanahan stated initially, the Skins knew it was probably coming [B][U]months[/U][/B] in advance. Subsequent reports made that very clear. Its not like Mara was having secret meetings and negotiations with the NFLPA that the Skins, Cowboys, and other owners didnt know about.

The Skins had a meeting scheduled with Manning even after they made the trade for the #2 pick. You say we never had a legitimate shot of coming here, but youre making a bigger deal of his not wanting to play against his brother than it really was. I beleive SS even stated he was seriously considering us (although we were not necessarily the front runners) at the time.

Personally, i think we were planning two contingencies:
Plan A) trade for RGIII if we think we'll get the cap penalty; or
Plan B) sign manning and draft a QB if we dont.

Even after trading for the #2 overall pick, we still could have turned around and flipped it to the browns if we didnt get the penalty and decided we'd rather do Plan B. Still, i think its obvious that our preference was to go with Plan A. But if the Browns had secured the #2 overall pick and we did not get the penalty, i think we would have made a very strong push for Manning.

Injury aside, RGIIIs a perfect fit here. Luck is a perfect fit for the colts, Mannings a perfect fit in Denver. Everything worked out for the best.

I think mike vick is way better than RGIII let's just sign him and cut Griffin. Makes sense

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[quote=skinsfaninok;987737]I think mike vick is way better than RGIII let's just sign him and cut Griffin. Makes sense[/quote]yeah but before or after we trade cousins for gabbert and sign tim tebow?

[QUOTE=los panda;987738]yeah but before or after we trade cousins for gabbert and sign tim tebow?[/QUOTE]

Dude gabbert is so much better than cousins and griffin, I bet u he could come in here and run the read option and not get hurt. Dude is a freak

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[quote=skinsfaninok;987740]Dude gabbert is so much better than cousins and griffin, I bet u he could come in here and run the read option and not get hurt. Dude is a freak[/quote]so we'll design our offense for those 3 guys. gabbert will take the snaps, with vick and tebow in the backfield behind him

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987735][I][B]The penalty was [I]announced[/I] at that time, but, contrary to what Shanahan stated initially, the Skins knew it was probably coming [B][U]months[/U][/B] in advance. Subsequent reports made that very clear. Its not like Mara was having secret meetings and negotiations with the NFLPA that the Skins, Cowboys, and other owners didnt know about. [/B][/I]

The Skins had a meeting scheduled with Manning even after they made the trade for the #2 pick. You say we never had a legitimate shot of coming here, but youre making a bigger deal of his not wanting to play against his brother than it really was. I beleive SS even stated he was seriously considering us (although we were not necessarily the front runners) at the time.

Personally, i think we were planning two contingencies:
Plan A) trade for RGIII if we think we'll get the cap penalty; or
Plan B) sign manning and draft a QB if we dont.

Even after trading for the #2 overall pick, we still could have turned around and flipped it to the browns if we didnt get the penalty and decided we'd rather do Plan B. Still, i think its obvious that our preference was to go with Plan A. But if the Browns had secured the #2 overall pick and we did not get the penalty, i think we would have made a very strong push for Manning.

Injury aside, RGIIIs a perfect fit here. Luck is a perfect fit for the colts, Mannings a perfect fit in Denver. Everything worked out for the best.[/quote]
To the contrary of your contrary, multiple insider reports said the Redskins were blindsided by the penalties and severity of them. They had big plans for free agency including addressing CB (Finnegan) and RT before they got hit at the last minute. Additionally, it was pretty clear that Manning had little to no legitimate interest in the Redskins. He may have considered us because of our need and his admiration of Shanahan (plus a close relationship to one of the owners) but we were not a factor in his search for a team.

[QUOTE=los panda;987741]so we'll design our offense for those 3 guys. gabbert will take the snaps, with vick and tebow in the backfield behind him[/QUOTE]

That works. Who needs that Griffin guy? His career is over now anyway.

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Exactly. We get rid of the RB position and use both Vick and Tebow in our pistol formation behind Gabbert. It would be geunius. You wouldn't know which guy was going to throw the int of fumble. It would be a thing of beauty!!

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[quote=Paintrain;987744]To the contrary of your contrary, multiple insider reports said the Redskins were blindsided by the penalties and severity of them. They had big plans for free agency including addressing CB (Finnegan) and RT before they got hit at the last minute. Additionally, it was pretty clear that Manning had little to no legitimate interest in the Redskins. He may have considered us because of our need and his admiration of Shanahan (plus a close relationship to one of the owners) but we were not a factor in his search for a team.[/quote]

I gotta agree with Pain on this one. From all that I remember from the wirl wind of last March was that withing a day or two of Manning getting cut by the Colts we were ruled out of a possible place for him to sign.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;987748]Exactly. We get rid of the RB position and use both Vick and Tebow in our pistol formation behind Gabbert. It would be geunius. You wouldn't know which guy was going to throw the int of fumble. It would be a thing of beauty!![/quote]triple flea flicker omg the possibilities are endless

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;987748]Exactly. We get rid of the RB position and use both Vick and Tebow in our pistol formation behind Gabbert. It would be geunius. You wouldn't know which guy was going to throw the int of fumble. It would be a thing of beauty!![/QUOTE]

Lmao