I don't disagree with anything you've said. There are always subtleties when discussing such philosophical principals. At the same time, we westerners have that silly principle of innocent until proven guilty. If the uncle is complicit, it will come out. To parse his words looking for a way to impugn him, however, is not proof of anything.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1004228]The uncle just gave a live press conference, and called on the suspect to turn himself in and ask forgiveness from the bombing victims and the families of the same. He also said they brought shame to the name of all Chechens. He didn't sound insincere, he sounded indignant and angry.

I get the argument about taqiyya in the comments, thought it was interesting, but listening to him live, I don't think that's what he was doing[/quote]

I agree, plus he's probably a Redskins fan.

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For the record i am kidding. Uncle seems legit I am sure he will be put under a microscope by the FBI.

If you are these bothers why stay in the country??? They had days to get out.

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[quote=mredskins;1004235]If you are these bothers why stay in the country??? They had days to get out.[/quote]

To complete the plan?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1004224]I think the poster is reading faaaaar too much into it and misapplying the term taqiyya. The uncle also called his nephew "a loser". To me, the uncle would not have used the derogatory term if he was invoking taqiyya - which is a self protection and limited in application to hiding was beliefs if that person is under immediate, mortal harm (further, Chechens are generally Sunni which doesn't recognize taqiyya as a formal principle since it was developed by the minority Shia muslims in response to majority Sunni oppression).

I would imagine that any follow-up will fully explore potential collaborators with these two. If the uncle is involved, I doubt he will be able to hide it. Until there is some evidence of that, however, I will take his statement at face value and assume he is both angered by and ashamed of the actions taken by his nephews.[/quote]

I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW Taqiyya is a concept born among the Shii and is especially embraced by the Druze. It does have very limited application in Sunni realms, but al Tabari and other Sunni theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many Sunnis look down on the practice as a Shii practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.

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[URL="https://twitter.com/Dzhokhar_"]Twitter account for the dead terrorist[/URL] Dzhokhar.

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[quote=mredskins;1004235]For the record i am kidding. Uncle seems legit I am sure he will be put under a microscope by the FBI.

If you are these bothers why stay in the country??? They had days to get out.[/quote]

Obviously the brothers had a very poor post-bomb plan. If I knew that I was wanted for a bombing, the last thing I would do is rob a 7-11.

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[quote=Lotus;1004237]I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW [B]Taqiyya[/B] is a concept born among the [B]Shii[/B] and is especially embraced by the [B]Druze[/B]. It does have very limited application in [B]Sunni [/B]realms, but [B]al Tabari[/B] and other [B]Sunni[/B] theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many [B]Sunnis[/B] look down on the practice as a [B]Shii [/B]practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.[/quote]


New words I learned today.

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[quote=Lotus;1004237]I completely agree with you. It amazes me that some folks are trying so hard to stir up trouble which is not there, when there is plenty of real trouble already on our plate.

BTW Taqiyya is a concept born among the Shii and is especially embraced by the Druze. It does have very limited application in Sunni realms, but al Tabari and other Sunni theologians have justified it only as a last resort in very limited situations. Many Sunnis look down on the practice as a Shii practice and therefore an inferior (to them) practice.[/quote]

Many radical moslems practice a different form of islam than the one your local imam will promote, regardless of whether sunni or shiia.

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[quote=Lotus;1004239]Obviously the brothers had a very poor post-bomb plan. If I knew that I was wanted for a bombing, the last thing I would do is rob a 7-11.[/quote]
7-11's are pretty rare up there should have robbed a Cumberland Farms, DUH!

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[quote=mredskins;1004240]New words I learned today.[/quote]

Is that an attempt at humor?

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004238][URL="https://twitter.com/Dzhokhar_"]Twitter account for the dead terrorist[/URL] Dzhokhar.[/quote]

Fake account

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004234]I agree, plus he's probably a Redskins fan.[/quote]

OMG is he on this site?

If he is. Good interview sir!

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004243]Is that an attempt at humor?[/quote]

No I have never heard of those words before. Maybe if I heard them pronounced I recognize them.

Outside of the word jihad I know little about Muslims.

I guess I am being ignorant and I am honestly not prejudice towards them I just really don't give a flying F what they do or who they pray for.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1004246]OMG is he on this site?

If he is. Good interview sir![/quote]

I find it convenient to blame Los Panda during times like these.


I ked and he knows it.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1004224]I think the poster is reading faaaaar too much into it and misapplying the term taqiyya. The uncle also called his nephew "a loser". To me, the uncle would not have used the derogatory term if he was invoking taqiyya - which is a self protection and limited in application to hiding was beliefs if that person is under immediate, mortal harm (further, Chechens are generally Sunni which doesn't recognize taqiyya as a formal principle since it was developed by the minority Shia muslims in response to majority Sunni oppression).

I would imagine that any follow-up will fully explore potential collaborators with these two. If the uncle is involved, I doubt he will be able to hide it. Until there is some evidence of that, however, I will take his statement at face value and assume he is both angered by and ashamed of the actions taken by his nephews.[/quote]

I'm with JR on this. I think people are grasping at straws on this one.



This is the reporter that spoke with the dad of the 2 suspects.

[url=http://gma.yahoo.com/bomb-suspects-dad-calls-him-surrender-141352754--abc-news-topstories.html]Bomb Suspects' Dad Calls on Son to Surrender - Yahoo![/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;1004244]Fake account[/quote]

Yes, it is.

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My buddy's daughter is getting married in Boston tomorrow and all of them flew up there yesterday. Talked to him this morning and they are under lock down in their motel about a block from Mondays bombing.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1004246]OMG is he on this site?

If he is. Good interview sir![/quote]

The Uncle lives in Montgomery Village, MD. He better be.....

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Xk1WvYo.jpg[/IMG]


MIT officer that was killed last night. RIP :(

26 years old is way too young.

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[url=http://gma.yahoo.com/bomb-suspects-dad-calls-him-surrender-141352754--abc-news-topstories.html]Bomb Suspects' Dad Calls on Son to Surrender - Yahoo![/url]

[quote]The father said he spoke to his sons by phone earlier this week. "We talked about the bombing. I was worried about then," Anzor Tsarnaev said.
He said his sons reassured him, saying, "Everything is good, Daddy. Everything is very good." [/quote]

WTF? The Dad "talked about the bombing"?? How did that conversation go?? Someone by this guy a first class ticket to the US and then throw him in jail for conspiracy.

[quote]The father warned, however, "If they killed him, then all hell would break loose."
"If they kill my second child, I will know that it is an inside job, a hit job. The police are to blame," the father told ABC News. "[B]Someone, some organization is out to get them[/B]." [/quote]

"Some organization"? Try every American in Boston.

The article indicates that the killers have two sisters currently living in New York.

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watching blackhawks circle a US town is amazing and sad at the same time.

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[quote=firstdown;1004253]My buddy's daughter is getting married in Boston tomorrow and all of them flew up there yesterday. Talked to him this morning and they are under lock down in their motel about a block from Mondays bombing.[/quote]

Wow, I am sure tons of things are screwed up because of this.

I hope they enjoy their infamous 15 minutes of fame and then their eternity in hell.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1004254]The Uncle lives in Montgomery Village, MD. He better be.....[/quote]



They are currently showing the interview with the uncle.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/control-room/?vp=1]Explosions at the Boston Marathon News & Headlines[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1004256][url=http://gma.yahoo.com/bomb-suspects-dad-calls-him-surrender-141352754--abc-news-topstories.html]Bomb Suspects' Dad Calls on Son to Surrender - Yahoo![/url]



WTF? The Dad "talked about the bombing"?? How did that conversation go?? [B]Someone by this guy a first class ticket to the US and then throw him in jail for conspiracy.[/B]



"Some organization"? Try every American in Boston.

The article indicates that the killers have two sisters currently living in New York.[/quote]
I got the impression that talking about the bombing meant the Dad was asking if they were hurt, or caught in the blast - as probably every dad did with their sons/daughters who were in Boston Monday. Not meaning that he was conspiring with them to cover up the bombing.

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[quote=mredskins;1004258]Wow, I am sure tons of things are screwed up because of this.

I hope they enjoy their infamous 15 minutes of fame and then their eternity in hell.[/quote]

I feel sorry for his daughter but things happen in life and you can just make the best of what happening. They all sounded pretty up beat this morning and will roll with what ever happens.

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Looks like this might be the account of the bomber (that's alive)

[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/this-might-be-djohar-tsarnaevs-actual-twitter-account]This Is Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's Actual Twitter Account[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1004262]I got the impression that talking about the bombing meant the Dad was asking if they were hurt, or caught in the blast - as probably every dad did with their sons/daughters who were in Boston Monday. Not meaning that he was conspiring with them to cover up the bombing.[/quote]

Okay. That makes much more sense. I had my days wrong. My bad.

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I am so sick of all the false reporting going on!! When i left home for work this morning fox news website said :BREAKING NEWS! MORE EXPLOSIONS IN BOSTON
WTF,get to work,theres no explosions

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[quote=htownskinfan;1004276]I am so sick of all the false reporting going on!! When i left home for work this morning fox news website said :BREAKING NEWS! MORE EXPLOSIONS IN BOSTON
WTF,get to work,theres no explosions[/quote]

Late last night (like 1-2am) I heard there was more explosions but really I think it was just the firefight with the now dead bomber. I heard they had pretty heavy artillery and grenades though.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1004279]Late last night (like 1-2am) I heard there was more explosions but really I think it was just the firefight with the now dead bomber. I heard they had pretty heavy artillery and grenades though.[/quote]

Gernades are bombs. They had a 5 mile chase last night and they tossed them out at the cops from what I heard.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1004279]Late last night (like 1-2am) I heard there was more explosions but really I think it was just the firefight with the now dead bomber. I heard they had pretty heavy artillery and grenades though.[/quote]

Yeah but this was 8:00 am this morning,dont think the headline was related to the shootout

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So all the people who knew these guys (other than the uncle) are saying what good guys they are. That the younger one was smart, outgoing, no overt sign of radicalization. Somehow this case seems to have gone from NCIS right after the bombing to 24 overnight, to Law and Order SVU where the younger brother just got caught up in the older brother's worldview, all in the span of 4 + days. I think the next few years scripts for Hollywood TV dramas have been written from this week. (Through in flooding in the midwest and the explosion in Waco, and you may get the next decade)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1004293]So all the people who knew these guys (other than the uncle) are saying what good guys they are. That the younger one was smart, outgoing, no overt sign of radicalization. Somehow this case seems to have gone from NCIS right after the bombing to 24 overnight, to Law and Order SVU where the younger brother just got caught up in the older brother's worldview, all in the span of 4 + days. I think the next few years scripts for Hollywood TV dramas have been written from this week. (Through in flooding in the midwest and the explosion in Waco, and you may get the next decade)[/quote]

I haven't heard anyone say that about the oldest brother. He was quoted as saying he had not one American friend because he didn't understand them.

I do feel somewhat saddened by the youngest one because he seemed most connected to the world around him. But I mean, people can wear a lot of masks I guess, ya know?

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Amusing now watching the MSM dance around the issue of radical moslems in America. Not comprehending the alien mindset of a jihadi. They are way more patient, focused and dangerous that most people are even slightly aware.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1004293]So all the people who knew these guys (other than the uncle) are saying what good guys they are. That the younger one was smart, outgoing, no overt sign of radicalization. Somehow this case seems to have gone from NCIS right after the bombing to 24 overnight, to Law and Order SVU where the younger brother just got caught up in the older brother's worldview, all in the span of 4 + days. I think the next few years scripts for Hollywood TV dramas have been written from this week. (Through in flooding in the midwest and the explosion in Waco, and you may get the next decade)[/quote]

Knowing the writers at SVU they will likely make an episode loosely based on the events of Boston.

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He should just kill himself, if the people of Boston get to him first.....well

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[quote=Giantone;1004319]He should just kill himself, if the people of Boston get to him first.....well[/quote]

I would be surprised if he's taken alive, it'll be an extraordinary effort by Law Enforcement if they manage to. Suicide by bomb somewhere very public, coming to a town on the East Coast soon.

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/hWB86gJ.jpg[/IMG]

Humor is a great healer.