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[quote=Chico23231;1028077]Anybody know what's Sherman Lewis is up to?[/quote]

"And Bingo was his Name-O."

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[quote=NC_Skins;1028075]Well, what's Mike's plan and what is Kyle's plan?[/quote]

I don't know to be honest whose plan belongs to whom. But one of them wants to go with less RO, more of stretching the defense, more boots, use the pass to set up the run. Let RG3 win the game with his arm, don't make him use his legs so much. I've heard this is how Kyle wants it. But others with deep knowledge say it's Mike who wants it this way.

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[quote=Mattyk;1028081]Hip hop culture?

I'm confused.[/quote]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbfP-CHW-F0]Fresh Prince of Bel Air - Gangsta Uncle Phil - YouTube[/ame]


Here you go.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1028086]I am getting a tat later to remember my aunt who died from breast cancer eariler this year. Might as well go ahead and turn myself in now.[/quote]

Damn man. You're a straight thug.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1028088]I don't know to be honest whose plan belongs to whom. But one of them wants to go with less RO, more of stretching the defense, more boots, use the pass to set up the run. Let RG3 win the game with his arm, don't make him use his legs so much. I've heard this is how Kyle wants it. But others with deep knowledge say it's Mike who wants it this way.[/QUOTE]

So it's as clear as mud, maybe we will find out one day when one or both are gone from here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1028071]Agreed, but we are 0-3, 0-3 in conference, 0-2 at home. We can't keep saying "we're close, next week we'll get it"[/quote]

There is definitely an urgency to start winning ASAP. I'm just saying that people on here are already acting as if the season is over, it is not. One thing we all should know already, crazy/impossible things have happened in NFL through out years.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1028088]I don't know to be honest whose plan belongs to whom. But one of them wants to go with less RO, more of stretching the defense, more boots, use the pass to set up the run. Let RG3 win the game with his arm, don't make him use his legs so much. I've heard this is how Kyle wants it. But others with deep knowledge say it's Mike who wants it this way.[/quote]

Bizarre, just bizarre to have such confusion among a coaching staff. No wonder it's a mess out there.

I hate that we could end up with one or the other, Mike or Kyle. Mike hasn't put a whole team together in nearly 14 years, Kyle never has and really hasn't shown the leadership to warrant giving him the chance.

I was feeling optimistic until this stuff came up, sounds like we're just facing more of the same for however long...who knows?

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I am.......sorely concerned as I may see Gus on the next episode of Moonshiners?

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[quote=The Goat;1028094]Bizarre, just bizarre to have such confusion among a coaching staff. No wonder it's a mess out there.

I hate that we could end up with one or the other, Mike or Kyle. Mike hasn't put a whole team together in nearly 14 years, Kyle never has and really hasn't shown the leadership to warrant giving him the chance.

I was feeling optimistic until this stuff came up, sounds like we're just facing more of the same for however long...who knows?[/quote]

Well look this happens throughout the league, even with winning teams. The solutions vary. One person just cedes his position. The two sides agree to a compromise. One guy simply gets fired. Among others.

My personal opinion, and of course you won't agree, is that Kyle has the smarts and reputation to venture out on his own by now and he should. And again, I mean after this season.

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Skins D has given up the most yards in NFL history after 3 games. Wtf. Good gurdy what a gash.

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I already had this down as a loss,just glad it was at least respectable today.Really didnt have a problem with any of the playcalling.Untimely penalties and turnovers cost us this game.{and of course the dropped td }

This team continues to shoot itself in the foot any chance it gets.There was a long pass called back because of trent Williams,for someone who's supposed to be our best off lineman seems like its always him that cost us a big play for holding.

Also anyone returning a kickoff thats any deeper than a yard past the goal line needs to be benched or fined.And why is Josh Morgan returning kickoffs anyway?

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Wow..I leave this site for 6 hours and come back to this?!

Its like I've entered the Twlight Zone here; some of the people on this site with common sense are talking dumb, some of the people on this site who are not so smart are looking like geniuses.

First thing: Why do we want to get rid of a shanahan, or both shanahans? RG3 doesnt fumble or throw a pick in our territory or Aldrick holds onto the ball, and we're probably talking about how great of coahes they are.

Wasn't it just last year Redskins fans were in love with how great a play caller Kyle is and how he should be our new headcoach when Mike retires? Now he must go because Aldrick bobbles a football or the Redskins defense can't cover or tackle?

At the start of the season I thought we would most likely lose to Philly. I knew we'd lose to Green Bay, I thought we'd beat Detroit. I was thinking 1-2 heading to Oakland going 2-2. Now I'm thinking 1-3 best case. Also a lot of these toss up games are starting to favor the opposing team; @ Minnesota, Vs. Chicago, Vs KC, Vs San Diego. That doesn't include our toss up divisional games and the games which I think are sure losses like Denver, Atlanta, and San Fran (although they look very beatable after todays game.)

Second: We can get back Rob Jackson and Jarvis Jenkins, they still won't fix our problems.

Third: We can fire Haslett, but tackling is still a major problem which these guys should know well before they got into the NFL.

Fourth: What happened to Rambo today? I didn't see what happened.

Fifth: I'm going to be watching a lot of College Football to see who we can drfat in the early part of the second round next year to improve this team. I've sadly already given up hopes on this team being better than last years team.

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0-3 will make growna men do strange things. And Rave.

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[quote=GridIron26;1028093]There is definitely an urgency to start winning ASAP. I'm just saying that people on here are already acting as if the season is over, it is not. One thing we all should know already, [B]crazy/impossible things[/B] have happened in NFL through out years.[/quote]


This is exactly what it will take to reach the post season this year.

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The need for a right tackle gets bigger every game with Polumbus constantly getting pushed into RG3. You can't even run a bootleg to the right side cause Polumbus is so far in the backfield

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A couple of positives after letting the loss sink in:

1. Kyle finally called some bootlegs to allow Griffin to make some throws on the move, which he did very well. This was a good way to negate Suh and Fairley from collapsing the pocket onto Griffin's lap.

2. Griffin moved pretty well in the 2nd half, threw a GREAT deep ball to Robinson, and seems to be getting closer to being a dual threat. Just have to eliminate the turnovers.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1028101]This is exactly what it will take to reach the post season this year.[/quote]

We will play in the NFC championship game this year. I'm serious.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1028105]We will play in the NFC championship game this year. I'm serious.[/QUOTE]

And you also believe in Sasquatch.

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The poll about being 0-3 has me wondering- about the majority consensus about how the season is over yet but .500 is the ceiling? Do y'all really think at 8-8 we have a shot at the division or wildcard? Oh dear god no. NFC north, south, west are far better contenders for a wild card and we aren't even the best option in the east for a wildcard.
Aside from the ludicrous notions of going 13-3, 12-4,11-5,10-6,9-7,8-8,7-9,....6-10 is about right where the numbers will end up.

Get ready for draft and free agency. Hate to say it but I can admit it b/c its been reality far too often and being a glass half full cheerleading homer isnt goin to rally the organization to win and its too head up the butt far from how prophecy will be fulfilled.

It sucks to be pessimistic but knowledge is grief. The intervention needs to reach some of the lost hopefuls here

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[quote=SmootSmack;1028096]Well look this happens throughout the league, even with winning teams. The solutions vary. One person just cedes his position. The two sides agree to a compromise. One guy simply gets fired. Among others.

My personal opinion, and of course you won't agree, is that Kyle has the smarts and reputation to venture out on his own by now and he should. And again, I mean after this season.[/quote]

Wasn't the whole point for Kyle to earn the big job here?

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"Mr. Gus Ferroutte, what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Not to mad at the 0-3 start. Figured 1-2 best case. It does worry me that it's becoming evident that RG3 just may not have it in him to be a pocket guy. I thought he would have no problem with it coming in. All other offenses not based on a balanced run/pocket passing, 4 check down attack seem to be flashes as well as the players around them. It may take as much as a few years but they all get figured out and crushed. And a few years doesn't make a great career. Way to early to start questioning Griffins ability but I am worried he's just a scheme guy. When the scheme falls apart, will he adapt? Man I hope so.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1028104]A couple of positives after letting the loss sink in:

1. Kyle finally called some bootlegs to allow Griffin to make some throws on the move, which he did very well. This was a good way to negate Suh and Fairley from collapsing the pocket onto Griffin's lap.

2. Griffin moved pretty well in the 2nd half, threw a GREAT deep ball to Robinson, and seems to be getting closer to being a dual threat. Just have to eliminate the turnovers.[/quote]
This is what I saw too, I just wanna see him win live and in color next week

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Guys I want you to think about something.

We were legitimately a Quarterback remembering to hold on to the ball, a young receiver controlling the ball and some defensive stops early in the game from winning this one. go ahead and say I'm smoking something but we're probably the best 0-3 team in the League. If you're 0-3 and trying to make the playoffs again would you rather be on the Giants who couldn't even score today and quite frankly can't run the ball MUCH or our team? Defense Tackles someone throughout the game we probably win today

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1028107]The poll about being 0-3 has me wondering- about the majority consensus about how the season is over yet but .500 is the ceiling? Do y'all really think at 8-8 we have a shot at the division or wildcard? Oh dear god no. NFC north, south, west are far better contenders for a wild card and we aren't even the best option in the east for a wildcard.
Aside from the ludicrous notions of going 13-3, 12-4,11-5,10-6,9-7,8-8,7-9,....6-10 is about right where the numbers will end up.

Get ready for draft and free agency. Hate to say it but I can admit it b/c its been reality far too often and being a glass half full cheerleading homer isnt goin to rally the organization to win and its too head up the butt far from how prophecy will be fulfilled.

It sucks to be pessimistic but knowledge is grief. The intervention needs to reach some of the lost hopefuls here[/quote]
Actually yeah I do think we have a chance at winning the division there was a time the NFC west was so terrible that the championship for the division came down to a 6-9 Seahawks team and a 8-7 Rams team. Stranger has happened.....again this is the best 0-3 team in the league

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[quote=The Goat;1028108]Wasn't the whole point for Kyle to earn the big job here?[/quote]

Not necessarily. I mean he may still, but my point really is that he shouldn't wait for it to happen. He should move on after this season. Hes ready

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why did we pass it 50 times today? did the score dictate that :P or are we just abandoning our game plan purely on principle now?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1028097]Skins D has given up the most yards in NFL history after 3 games. Wtf. Good gurdy what a gash.[/quote]

This is the reason we are 0-3.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1028106]And you also believe in Sasquatch.

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2[/quote]

I have specifically said the opposite here.

And I stand by my prediction that we will play in the NFC championship.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1028114]Not necessarily. I mean he may still, but my point really is that he shouldn't wait for it to happen. He should move on after this season. Hes ready[/quote]

In my limited opinion Kyle was ready when he left Houston. I've thought that we had a bonus situation in that Kyle could be playing on a bigger stage but he chose to help us so that he could hang with Dad.

I will be sad for us but happy for Kyle if he moves on to a HC spot.

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The 3 attempts at the end of the game to score a TD that failed is basically what is wrong. They struggle to make plays. Then any other time they have one decent play, one bad play, and one play with not quite enough yards and then punt. They struggle just to run plays correctly. Bring back the option or it will be like this every Sunday.

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[quote=That Guy;1028115]why did we pass it 50 times today? did the score dictate that :P or are we just abandoning our game plan purely on principle now?[/quote]

Really bad coaching. I put that on Kyle. I have no clue why we are not running the ball. And I have no clue are only play is the pistol pitch.

I really wish we put RG3 under center more and run outta different looks from that set. RG3 play action is so much more effective when he's under center. When he outta the pistol, play action is not as good. Like to see more Helu on second, first down. Maybe run some draw outta shotgun or more conventional RB screens on 1st down.

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Alfred Morris 15 carries yesterday and it was not a blow out. WTF! It seems this team forgot about the running game.

It is really early in the season. Not saying that we are playing like a good team right now, because we are not, but some help is hopefully on the way. Week 6 we get Jarvis Jenkins, Rob Jackson and hopefully Tanard Jackson back.
We are two games away from a tie for first in the NFC Least. Skins just have to stay with in reach. As soon as Demarco Murray gets injured as he always does. that team will implode. Cowboys like the Giants do not have any RB depth. One injury to Demarco and that team is dead in the water, because they go back to being one dimensional like last year.
When did it become fashionable in the NFL for some teams to only keep one good RB? Cowboys and Giants have 3 to 4 good WR's and two good TE's but only one good RB? I bet the Giants are regretting letting Ahmad Bradshaw go, especially since he went for 19 carries for 95 yards and 1 TD yesterday. DOH!

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Wow, the sky has completely fallen.

I'm as disappointed as any of you but talking about 0-16, trading Orakpo, firing a Shanahan, etc. While my expectation of 11-5 or anything close seems to be a pipe dream right now I don't think this overall team is historically bad as some are suggesting. The defense, well maybe.

Not trying to pull positives from a loss to a team that's won 6 of their past 19 games but aside from the 2 completely avoidable, yet crushing turnovers by RG3 this was his best game by far and resembled 2012 RG3 at some points.

The throw that Robinson dropped (yes dropped, no excuses, catch it cleanly there's no need to replay it-leave it out of the refs decision) was perfect. He was making throws all day that were on the money and giving his WR a chance to get some YAC. His pre-fumble scramble is what scared the hell out of defenses pre-ACL. Eliminate his mistakes and we'd all be saying 'HE'S BACK!' this morning.

Kyle needs an ass whupping. 50-15 pass/run balance is stupid. No screens called to Morris or Helu. Too many WR screens on 3rd and medium. No stretch runs and an infatuation with the toss/pitch. One of his worst games as a playcaller IMO.

Our tackling is abysmal. Where has Stephen Bowen been? Fletcher has lost 3 steps. Amerson is playing like a rookie and the big play vs. Burleson was killer but this was his best game by far. Haslett needs to get out of the booth before he's out of a job.

Finally special teams have been weak and the penalties are all on MS. Can't allow them.. In a 7 point loss, can't give the offense 20 free yards and an additional 1st down in scoring territory.

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[quote=Defensewins;1028138]Alfred Morris 15 carries yesterday and it was not a blow out. WTF! It seems this team forgot about the running game.

[B]It is really early in the season. Not saying that we are playing like a good team right now, because we are not, but some help is hopefully on the way. Week 6 we get Jarvis Jenkins, Rob Jackson and hopefully Tanard Jackson back. [/B]
[B]We are two games away from a tie for first in the NFC Least. Skins just have to stay with in reach. As soon as Demarco Murray gets injured as he always does. that team will implode. Cowboys like the Giants do not have any RB depth. One injury to Demarco and that team is dead in the water, because they go back to being one dimensional like last year.[/B]
When did it become fashionable in the NFL for some teams to only keep one good RB? Cowboys and Giants have 3 to 4 good WR's and two good TE's but only one good RB? I bet the Giants are regretting letting Ahmad Bradshaw go, especially since he went for 19 carries for 95 yards and 1 TD yesterday. DOH![/quote]

eternal optimism at it's best!

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[quote=Sonny9TD;1028119]The 3 attempts at the end of the game to score a TD that failed is basically what is wrong. They struggle to make plays. Then any other time they have one decent play, one bad play, and one play with not quite enough yards and then punt. They struggle just to run plays correctly. Bring back the option or it will be like this every Sunday.[/quote]

No, it's the [U]historically[/U] bad defense! As long as the defense gives up 500 yards per game, the Skins will struggle to win, no matter what they do on offense or special teams.

There are some brush fires on offense and special teams but there is a raging conflagration on defense that needs to be put out now.

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8. The Magic Number of games that Shanahan has to win this year to keep his job.

What do you all think? How many games must Shanahan win this year, bare minimum to keep his job.

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The optimist in me says we still have 5 division games to go. Plenty of opportunity to make up ground.

But then I look at the D and I want to throw up.

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[quote=Paintrain;1028139]Wow, the sky has completely fallen.

I'm as disappointed as any of you but talking about 0-16, trading Orakpo, firing a Shanahan, etc. While my expectation of 11-5 or anything close seems to be a pipe dream right now I don't think this overall team is historically bad as some are suggesting. The defense, well maybe.

Not trying to pull positives from a loss to a team that's won 6 of their past 19 games but aside from the 2 completely avoidable, yet crushing turnovers by RG3 this was his best game by far and resembled 2012 RG3 at some points.

[B]The throw that Robinson dropped (yes dropped, no excuses, catch it cleanly there's no need to replay it-leave it out of the refs decision) was perfect. He was making throws all day that were on the money and giving his WR a chance to get some YAC. His pre-fumble scramble is what scared the hell out of defenses pre-ACL. Eliminate his mistakes and we'd all be saying 'HE'S BACK!' this morning.[/B]

Kyle needs an ass whupping. 50-15 pass/run balance is stupid. No screens called to Morris or Helu. Too many WR screens on 3rd and medium. No stretch runs and an infatuation with the toss/pitch. One of his worst games as a playcaller IMO.

Our tackling is abysmal. Where has Stephen Bowen been? Fletcher has lost 3 steps. Amerson is playing like a rookie and the big play vs. Burleson was killer but this was his best game by far. Haslett needs to get out of the booth before he's out of a job.

Finally special teams have been weak and the penalties are all on MS. Can't allow them.. In a 7 point loss, can't give the offense 20 free yards and an additional 1st down in scoring territory.[/quote]

He didn't play as bad as everyone is saying. But his turnovers killed the team, as did numerous other things. Hopefully he can build on the positives yesterday. However, because of the heavy price that was paid to get him, we need him to be a great QB. Not one that makes stupid Int's in the red zone, or one that makes a great throw, then a bad one. W/out the threat to run, I'm just not sure he'll ever be a great QB.

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^ sorry Mat even with RG3 I just don't see this team winning more than 7 games. And thats if we get on a 3-4 game win streak, if not then we could see 5 wins .