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[quote=GusFrerotte;1048593]I do think Snyder is smarter than Jones in that he stays quiet for the most part, thus doesn't say a lot of dumb things like Jones, but he likes his drama, because he knows it sells tickets and gives him free advertising. The thing is I think the charade will get old, and maybe the emphasis will be on winning again. This stupid obsession with getting teams in Europe is fantasy at best. [B]FIFA games are not well attended as NFL games, as Europeans need every dime they have to survive anymore.[/B][/quote]

I think everyone needs every last dime in order to survive in today's world, whether you are European, American, or Martian.

The stadium was half empty. If the Skins didn't play Dallas, it would be half empty again next weekend.

Most owners only care about winning because it makes them money. There concern for winning games is distant second to making money. At least for the majority of owners.

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[quote=The Goat;1048579]It irritates me the best HC prospects are likely to prefer Houston and other franchises before DC. Dan will pay top dollar and we have a franchise QB. We have a lot to offer as a franchise. What the deuce??[/quote]

RG3 isn't a proven Franchise QB yet. The skins have the potential of having a Franchise QB, but there is also the potential he is a bust as well at this point.

Shanahan has done well in making sure the Skins are worst than when he got here. Plus he also makes Snyder seem like an owner that involves himself too much. Similar to why Dallas cannot get the coaches they want.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048596]Drama sells tickets? Did you see the stands last week?[/quote]

Gus has global insights...are you choosing to ignore them?

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1048604]Gus has global insights...are you choosing to ignore them?[/QUOTE]


I would comment if I could figure out what I'm commenting on.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048588]More pressure here, bigger market, and as we've seen the potential for crazy ass drama.[/quote]

No doubt on all of those things Matty but when you think about nfl HC personalities...very high self confidence to outright overconfidence, big personalities, swagger...you'd think a lot of guys would relish the challenge and see the pot of gold on the other side.

And we have talent. I don't care what so many fans say, this team has legit talent at key positions. QB, RB, fb, LT, TE, and a solid wr on offense. And most of the defense is in place IMO. You give a guy like Lovie smith or Gregg Williams this defense (along with a few $ to fill in gaps) and it will be above average next year.

As to the retread vs new HC debate, seems like most successful HCs have needed some practice. Belichick was a retread in New England for instance. I'm not against a new HC coming from college or coordinator in the NFL. Am saying you want high football intelligence and the ability to lead/motivate players, those are the keys. If it's a guy who's had some HC experience, maybe in a subpar situation, I take him over the newbie. Just me.

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One coach that I really like but is not available is Mike McCoy. I think he's doing a great job in SD.

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[quote=donofriose;1048599]RG3 isn't a proven Franchise QB yet. The skins have the potential of having a Franchise QB, but there is also the potential he is a bust as well at this point.

Shanahan has done well in making sure the Skins are worst than when he got here. Plus he also makes Snyder seem like an owner that involves himself too much. Similar to why Dallas cannot get the coaches they want.[/quote]There is that risk right this second, but with the right hire, it's a non-issue. Griffin is pretty established already.

What Philip Rivers is doing this year is a pretty good look at what Griffin can do as soon as next year. Rivers is still sloppy on some quarterbacking nuances, but he's really good at moving the ball and putting points on the board. And Mike McCoy types are available every year. Nothing special, just good, well organized coaching.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1048625]One coach that I really like but is not available is Mike McCoy. I think he's doing a great job in SD.[/QUOTE]

Great job and has revamped rivers career

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[quote=GusFrerotte;1048590]Who cares, the team is going to still suck!!!!!! The present roster is medicore, and will take 3 seasons to remedy that, and that is if the front office has a solid plan that it can actually get done in terms of getting the pieces in place. The other big issue is that this whole debacle proves and what the Marty debacle proved is that you can't have a strong willed coach work with Snyder or Danny boy will undermine him or just fire his ass. Danny helped create the monster diva in RG III, and any new coach is going to have to kiss RG IIIs ass. Do you think Bill Cowher would want to be a part of this organization knowing full well of how it is run? I don't want a college coach, just because he coached our diva in a college system in a conference that is known for absolutely NO DEFENSE. Besides we had that experiment with Spurrier and Danny "Awful", another Heisman winner. Personally, I do like John Gruden, but I don't think he would want to work for Snyder unless The Danny put up a ton of cash, and even then I think he will pass. He is making tons of $$$$$$$$$ just BSing about football and making commericals. Why put yourself in the middle of a firestorm? I am thinking we will have another Zorn type, a young assistant that will go for it, just to at least have on his resume he was a HC, but I think the smarter ones will not bite. Zorn will never ever be a HC in the NFL ever again because of the disaster he had in DC. The smarter ones will bide their time and go to a team they can win with and have a decent career. I just don't see this farce getting any better. I still think Jerry Jones and Snyder are geniuses and are just laughing at us little people for actually caring about this shit.[/quote]

3 seasons???? the bum eagles fixed a mediocre roster in one. why cant we?? this same mediocre roster was able to get in sync and make wildcard. we need 3 solid additions, playmakers. thats what we need. zorn was in over his head with any team. yup. any team. u hate rg because hes an elite player im guessing. have to cater to someone or well be mediocre Foreverrrr.

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[quote=Skins4L;1048657]3 seasons???? the bum eagles fixed a mediocre roster in one. why cant we?? this same mediocre roster was able to get in sync and make wildcard. we need 3 solid additions, playmakers. thats what we need. zorn was in over his head with any team. yup. any team. u hate rg because hes an elite player im guessing. have to cater to someone or well be mediocre Foreverrrr.[/quote]

I think its going to take 3 years to actually be in Super bowl contention. In my opinion Eagles aren't actually in super bowl contention, they just happen to play in what I think is the worst division in football. It took Seattle and other "project" teams about 3 years to be in the super bowl picture. This team needs a lot of upgrades not to be just a wildcard or playoff team like the Bengals, but an actual super bowl contender. I think that will take around 3 years.

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Who ever the coach is I hope he brings winning here because i am tired of reading stupid comments like this on si.com, espn ,etc...

[I]I am not a Redskins fan...so I love the soap opera that this causes...Let's see what the Redskins problems are...1) They have an owner who knows nothing about running a football team...He's a fan who had a ton of money and used it to buy the team...2) The Redskins are run like a fantasy football team...Look at the way they've obtained players...Always paying too much for the hottest free agents or selling the farm to move up in the draft...RGIII was the hottest QB coming out of the draft last year...Sooo the front office sold the farm to St. Louis to move up to draft RGIII...I said it then...Dumb move...He's too small, he's injury prone (you blow your ACL before your 21...it's going to happen again)...I was called hater and all these other wonderful names..Guess who was right...Anyway not to gloat...3) This team is only good at one thing...creating headlines other than winning football games...Let's see...You have Albert Haynesworth, the Cap Penalty, Jim Zorn's incompetence, etc...etc...Albert Haynesworth should be the model of what not to do with your money...The Cap Penalty...say what you want, how unfair it was to the two teams, the NFL has it out for the Redskins and the Cowboys...I drop the BS card on that quick...The owners had a gentleman's agreement (an unsigned contact) that certain things would not be done...Both of these teams violated that agreement in a pretty egregious manner and were made an example of...You think you have a gripe...Imagine what the Steelers went through...There are two rules named after Steelers players (Hines Ward rule and James Harrison rule)...If you don't know what they are, then you don't follow football enough...soooo quit whining about the cap hit...4) The defense is one of the worst in the league...Unless this team scores 30 points regularly...they are going to lose...Between Wilson and Deangelo Hall, I wouldn't use them to cover a bed much less a professional receiver...They can't tackle, cant cover, cant create pressure...Sounds like a typical Jim Hasslet defense...How does this guy keep getting jobs???...I'll wrap up with this because the Redskins problems are multi-layered...5) RGIII is from a generation that does not know how to interact as a team member...he only understands how to promote himself...This is the entitlement generation that we created...By giving everyone trophies and allowing everyone to be a "winner" we in fact created this monster...He's a ego maniac...He thrives on all the attention being on him...If it's not...there's a problem in his world...He needs therapy not a new coach...The NFL is about performance NOW not what you did in college...[/I]

We are just a laughing stock of the NFL. =(

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^You let that bother you?

I read that and just hear fear from a division rival. That flat out fear and hope that RG3 is done, because he knows what happened last year, can happen again. I like that post.

My only concern right now is Shanny isnt fired. We got to take that first step and fire everyone on the coaching staff and then make a good hire.

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Winston Moss was a really hot HC name two years ago. Haven't heard even a whisper on him this year. Don't think the Redskins are going for a defensive guy, but would like to see them bring him in for an interview, at least.

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wade phillips and rex ryan could be available for DC. i would take either. and love me some obrien from PSU to run the show

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[quote=dmek25;1048750]wade phillips and rex ryan could be available for DC. i would take either. and love me some obrien from PSU to run the show[/quote]

I don't think Rex can step down and out of the spotlight to be a successful DC. He is an attention whore.

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[quote=jamf;1048778]I don't think Rex can step down and out of the spotlight to be a successful DC. He is an attention whore.[/quote]

He did at Baltimore. And he has been relatively quiet in his two years at New York. In his first two years, yea he let success get to his head. I think he has been humbled. If he is just responsible for defense, he would be a top 5 coordinator in the NFL.

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[quote=dmek25;1048750]wade phillips and rex ryan could be available for DC. i would take either. and love me some obrien from PSU to run the show[/quote]

Phillips maybe but I'm not really sold on his consistency of having good defenses. Rex will be a head coach next year, in NY or elsewhere, or on television. He's not taking a DC job under anyone.

If we weren't coming off of such a PR mess, football/scheme wise, I like a lot of what Ryan does defensively. I think the world may explode with a trio of Snyder/Rex/RG3 though. It would be insufferable media saturation of any and everything done or said but ultimately I think he will find success as a head coach somewhere.

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Here are some "Pro's" and "Con's" regarding some of the coaches that are available. Atleast one persons opinion.

[url=http://www.chatsports.com/washington-redskins/a/Top-Coaching-Options-Pros-and-Cons-Part-1-2-8978062]Top Coaching Options: Pros and Cons : Part 1 | ChatRedskins.com[/url]

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[quote=dmek25;1048750]wade phillips and rex ryan could be available for DC. i would take either. and love me some obrien from PSU to run the show[/quote]

I wouldn't be mad if it we hired Wade Phillips; he's running a good defense in Houston even though they have a bad offense. He would certainly be an upgrade over Haslett.

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[quote=SirLK26;1048825]I wouldn't be mad if it we hired Wade Phillips; he's running a good defense in Houston even though they have a bad offense. He would certainly be an upgrade over Haslett.[/quote]

Ahhh No thanks Swade

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How is it possible that mike shanahan has even one vote on this poll?

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I would love it if Cowher came back to coach the Redskins. Love it. Hiring him would be about the only thing that would make me look back on this season with anything other than nausea ("Hell, that was awful, but it led us to kick the Shannacan and hire Cowher.")

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I heard two different analysts today say they think that Shanny could be back next year. I am probably reading too much into that as "could" is a great cya word for anybody in the public eye.

There's been more talk lately that people believe he is doing this to set up cousins to be the guy next yr and yes that he will be here . Adam S. Says no and I believe he would know

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I would assume that if Cousins is the guy that Shanny thinks he could be then there is a shot he will be here next year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1048849]There's been more talk lately that people believe he is doing this to set up cousins to be the guy next yr and yes that he will be here . Adam S. Says no and I believe he would know[/quote]

I don't see that. I guess there is a chance that MS could stay but at this point can his son and the DC? No, is the simple answer, so why would a coach with one year left on his deal want to stick around and deal with two new coordinators?

There are too many reason for this to be his final year now.

As far as III goes, I have no doubt barring offseason injury that he is the starter week 1. He is too good to let this do anything more than motivate him and I don't believe Kirk cousins would have a chance in hell to beat him out in a real position battle after a full nfl offseason.

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Mike has 7 million reasons to stay.
I wonder what his contract says what we can do to fire Kyle, is it even permissible?

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1048888]Mike has 7 million reasons to stay.
I wonder what his contract says what we can do to fire Kyle, is it even permissible?[/quote]

I dig that idea. But Snyder is being totally professional through this IMO and letting Shanahan make his own exit.

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[quote=The Goat;1048913]I dig that idea. But Snyder is being totally professional through this IMO and letting Shanahan make his own exit.[/quote]

Have to admit it but i've been impressed by Snyder's actions of late. I thought Shanny would be gone for sure after the Chief's game. I also thought there would have been a bigger uproar after the benching of RGIII. It seems he's taking that whole "staying out of the way" thing seriously....to an extent, which is nice to see for once.

[QUOTE=sevier2;1048916]Have to admit it but i've been impressed by Snyder's actions of late. I thought Shanny would be gone for sure after the Chief's game. I also thought there would have been a bigger uproar after the benching of RGIII. It seems he's taking that whole "staying out of the way" thing seriously....to an extent, which is nice to see for once.[/QUOTE]


Yea.. He is a great owner!! We are setup for years of success with him at the helm.. %~{


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[QUOTE=SBXVII;1048822]Here are some "Pro's" and "Con's" regarding some of the coaches that are available. Atleast one persons opinion.



[url=http://www.chatsports.com/washington-redskins/a/Top-Coaching-Options-Pros-and-Cons-Part-1-2-8978062]Top Coaching Options: Pros and Cons : Part 1 | ChatRedskins.com[/url][/QUOTE]


I will be shocked if any of the coaches on that list would be willing to work with Mr. Jock Sniffer..


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[quote=Brody81;1048918]I will be shocked if any of the coaches on that list would be willing to work with Mr. Jock Sniffer..


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Yeah, 'cause if you owned the Skins you would NEVER hang out with the players.

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BTW ... one of the most successful owners during the Gibbs era? Eddie DeBartalo. Guy hung out in locker rooms and was a HUGE fan of his players.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1048922]BTW ... one of the most successful owners during the Gibbs era? Eddie DeBartalo. Guy hung out in locker rooms and was a HUGE fan of his players.[/quote]

There are a lot of ignorant people out there

Bill polian said yesterday that manning and Jim Kelly basically.told the owners what to do and what they wanted was always there for them.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1048920]Yeah, 'cause if you owned the Skins you would NEVER hang out with the players.[/QUOTE]


That is correct I would not!! In business you learn not to befriend your direct reports. If you do they will more than likely take advantage of you. That is business 101.. If my boss had a relationship with one of my reports, I would feel hampered in how I could discipline that report. The problem is Synder was the kid who was picked last in backyard sports, probably picked on in high school, and now wants to be one of the cool kids.. Who by the way sucks at Madden in Franchise mode...





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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1048924]There are a lot of ignorant people out there[/QUOTE]


Not so ignorant to know this owner has been the worst owner for 20+ years.. Can you tell me one thing he has done well since buying this team?


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SmootSmack must be Synder's PR guy...


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In case you guys forgot, Synder was the one who coveted Shanahan. He's the one who wined and dined Mike trying to hire him while Zorn was still coaching.. Mike didn't magically appear. This was another Dan blunder.. How many years of failure do you guys need to realize he is a horrible owner. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone with you guys defending the sniffer..


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[QUOTE=Brody81;1048930]In case you guys forgot, Synder was the one who coveted Shanahan. He's the one who wined and dined Mike trying to hire him while Zorn was still coaching.. Mike didn't magically appear. This was another Dan blunder.. How many years of failure do you guys need to realize he is a horrible owner. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone with you guys defending the sniffer..


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He's a losing owner no doubt, guy has done nothing since buying the team can't argue that