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[quote=SouperMeister;1048238]You're missing the point - Haynesworth's original contract had NOTHING to do with the penalty. Shanny and Allen restructuring Haynesworth's (and Hall's) deals, and sweeping money into the uncapped year is why we were penalized. Again, the owners clearly colluded to discourage this, and to enforce penalties on us and Dallas, but Vinny wasn't here when the so-called offense was committed.[/quote]

Your missing the point. Had the original contract never been offered we would not have been in the predicament. However, we were. I'll go to the grave saying that what Allen and Shanahan cooped up was not against any rules or laws. I don't care what the NFL says or any NFL payed judge.

IF it was against the rules or any agreement then when the Redskins turned in those restructured contracts the NFL had a duty or responsibility to deny them and tell both teams they could not do that per whatever agreement or rule and told them to rework those contracts.

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[quote=SBXVII;1048240]I'm in a win/win situation. If Mike gets the team winning and Snyder decides to let the contact play out then I'm happy. If Snyder fires Mike tomorrow I'm happy.

I think it would be a huge slap in the face if Cousins plays better and the team wins. Against a decent Falcons team. Then plays well and wins against two division rivals whom RG3 could not beat this year. < that makes me giddy. I'm for the under dog.

Think about it though. Talk with MS, fire Haslett after this season, bring in someone with a different idea for DC, fix special teams maybe a new coordinator, have a good draft, pick up key pieces with the $36 mill, cut some older players and bring in more youth

or....

Fire everyone and start all over and expect another 3-5 yrs for this team to get on track again with a new scheme.[/quote]

No way he comes back. Man has failed in almost every possible way. The team needs to be blown up. There are only a few players that are even worth keeping. It will be 3-5 years anyway in my opinion before the Skins are competitive just because of talent level.

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Just classic Shanny right here...

“What I’m trying to do is be as honest as I can, and I don’t normally do that.”

:doh:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/11/mike-shanahan-talks-snyder-and-rg3-in-epic-press-conference/]Mike Shanahan talks Snyder and RG3 in epic press conference | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048237]I think he was pretty honest in his presser. The only thing he's hiding is part of this benching is performance based.[/quote]

I doubt 3 games will amount to much performance wise for RG3. Maybe if the team was in the play offs or something but I doubt 3 regular games will not hurt RG3.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1048245]Just classic Shanny right here...

“What I’m trying to do is be as honest as I can, and I don’t normally do that.”

:doh:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/11/mike-shanahan-talks-snyder-and-rg3-in-epic-press-conference/]Mike Shanahan talks Snyder and RG3 in epic press conference | ProFootballTalk[/url][/QUOTE]

Helloooo new sig.....

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[quote=skinsfan69;1048237]I think he was pretty honest in his presser. The only thing he's hiding is part of this benching is performance based.[/quote]

I don't understand why he just doesn't come out and say it. Putting him as an inactive player was a little far in my opinion though. It should be Cousins 1 and RG3 2 at this point.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048245]Just classic Shanny right here...

“What I’m trying to do is be as honest as I can, and I don’t normally do that.”

:doh:

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/11/mike-shanahan-talks-snyder-and-rg3-in-epic-press-conference/"]Mike Shanahan talks Snyder and RG3 in epic press conference | ProFootballTalk[/URL][/quote]

"Normally, I lie to everyone's face, but since I got nothing to lose now... F it." Maaan, wait til he's let go, he's gonna start slinging mud like a monkey slings poo.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048245]Just classic Shanny right here...

“What I’m trying to do is be as honest as I can, [B]and I don’t normally do that.[/B]”

:doh:

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/12/11/mike-shanahan-talks-snyder-and-rg3-in-epic-press-conference/]Mike Shanahan talks Snyder and RG3 in epic press conference | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]"...and I don't normally do that" - The most honest thing Shanny has said in his 4 years here!

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Tebow lovers are going hard against RG3 on the comments. They are still upset about Tebow.

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I know it is not my 7 million dollars, but how can Snyder think this circus is better than just firing MS now?

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[quote=SouperMeister;1048238]You're missing the point - Haynesworth's original contract had NOTHING to do with the penalty. Shanny and Allen restructuring Haynesworth's (and Hall's) deals, and sweeping money into the uncapped year is why we were penalized. Again, the owners clearly colluded to discourage this, and to enforce penalties on us and Dallas, but Vinny wasn't here when the so-called offense was committed.[/quote]

you are 100% right and i was wrong. but TO killa - the money owed to AH that was restructured was guaranteed so shanahan couldnt have just cut AH and gotten out of the behemoth contract. they just restructured it so that the guaranteed money hit was all in 1 year (uncapped) and not spread out like it was in the orig contract.

anyways enough talk about AH .. i do apologize.

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[quote=Hijinx;1048256]I know it is not my 7 million dollars, but how can Snyder think this circus is better than just firing MS now?[/quote]
I mean he lost 30 million on Haynesworth

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I honestly dont see how benching RGIII now is a bad thing

1) Why risk getting him hurt and missing out on the entire offseason program. This is even more important if Shanahan is fired and we have a new coaching staff. In fact, i wouldnt be surprised if it was SNYDER behind benching RGIII for this reason.

2) If Snyder and whoever our coach is next year believe RGIII is our franchise QB and will stick with him no matter what, then why NOT put more film out there on Kirk Cousins? If he performs well, it increases the trade market for him. Thats good for the team

3) Lets say it turns out Cousins is clearly far inferior to RGIII (i dont think he is). If Cousins plays poorly, it kills any QB controversy going in the off-season.

4) If, as i believe, Shanahan (and the players on the team) dont like RGIII and feel the franchise is better with Cousins, this is the chance to prove it. Its a losing season. WHy not? What if we go 3-0 over these final three games and Cousins is noticeably and dramatically better in this system than RGIII. Then Shanahan will have shown Snyder he was right. We keep Shanahan, keep Cousins, and trade RGIII.

The only downside to playing cousins is hurting RGIIIs feelings. To be honest, i dont care. Thus far, RGIII has proven himself to be a diva and a whiny baby who feels entitled to respect and special treatment he hasnt earned. If he cant deal with this situation, then he doesnt have the mental makeup to succeed as an NFL QB.

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I just don't get the big deal about him lying when all of the NFL coaches do it at some point. Who cares? It's not his job to tell the media/fans the truth.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1048108]And played with a sprained MCL while doing so in the last three games...



What a terrible QB must be....[/QUOTE]


Just like in life, it's what have you done for me lately.. Who cares what he did last year. This year he has not been good at all.


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Listening to NFL Radio... Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller basically aren't buying Shanny's logic. They both value regular season snaps. Using Cam from last year as an example winning 4 games down the stretch. And also asking why aren't all teams with young QBs shutting them down too at this point?

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I like how people think there's even a chance of going 3-0 these last games. Cute.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048266]Listening to NFL Radio... Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller basically aren't buying Shanny's logic. They both value regular season snaps. Using Cam from last year as an example winning 4 games down the stretch. And also asking why aren't all teams with young QBs shutting them down too at this point?[/quote]

It makes no sense. Nobody ever got better by sitting on the bench. Power play all the way.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1048261]I honestly dont see how benching RGIII now is a bad thing



1) Why risk getting him hurt and missing out on the entire offseason program. This is even more important if Shanahan is fired and we have a new coaching staff. In fact, i wouldnt be surprised if it was SNYDER behind benching RGIII for this reason.



2) If Snyder and whoever our coach is next year believe RGIII is our franchise QB and will stick with him no matter what, then why NOT put more film out there on Kirk Cousins? If he performs well, it increases the trade market for him. Thats good for the team



3) Lets say it turns out Cousins is clearly far inferior to RGIII (i dont think he is). If Cousins plays poorly, it kills any QB controversy going in the off-season.



4) If, as i believe, Shanahan (and the players on the team) dont like RGIII and feel the franchise is better with Cousins, this is the chance to prove it. Its a losing season. WHy not? What if we go 3-0 over these final three games and Cousins is noticeably and dramatically better in this system than RGIII. Then Shanahan will have shown Snyder he was right. We keep Shanahan, keep Cousins, and trade RGIII.



The only downside to playing cousins is hurting RGIIIs feelings. To be honest, i dont care. Thus far, RGIII has proven himself to be a diva and a whiny baby who feels entitled to respect and special treatment he hasnt earned. If he cant deal with this situation, then he doesnt have the mental makeup to succeed as an NFL QB.[/QUOTE]


Beautiful!! I could not have said it better myself!!


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I hope this stokes the fires in RG3 to have a great offseason. I also admit curiosity in what Cousins can do given an extended period getting all the reps. He was very impressive last time he got that chance in his lone start (against Cleveland last year).

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1048261]I honestly dont see how benching RGIII now is a bad thing

1) Why risk getting him hurt and missing out on the entire offseason program. This is even more important if Shanahan is fired and we have a new coaching staff. In fact, i wouldnt be surprised if it was SNYDER behind benching RGIII for this reason.

2) If Snyder and whoever our coach is next year believe RGIII is our franchise QB and will stick with him no matter what, then why NOT put more film out there on Kirk Cousins? If he performs well, it increases the trade market for him. Thats good for the team

3) Lets say it turns out Cousins is clearly far inferior to RGIII (i dont think he is). If Cousins plays poorly, it kills any QB controversy going in the off-season.

4) If, as i believe, Shanahan (and the players on the team) dont like RGIII and feel the franchise is better with Cousins, this is the chance to prove it. Its a losing season. WHy not? What if we go 3-0 over these final three games and Cousins is noticeably and dramatically better in this system than RGIII. Then Shanahan will have shown Snyder he was right. We keep Shanahan, keep Cousins, and trade RGIII.

The only downside to playing cousins is hurting RGIIIs feelings. To be honest, i dont care. Thus far, RGIII has proven himself to be a diva and a whiny baby who feels entitled to respect and special treatment he hasnt earned. If he cant deal with this situation, then he doesnt have the mental makeup to succeed as an NFL QB.[/quote]


Big Hair, hoepfully I will talk to you after the game Sunday. LOL!! I watched Cousins performance, he is not that good. He is John Beck the second. Oh yeah, you thought John Beck was gonna be good too. Remember?

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[quote=Mattyk;1048267]I like how people think there's even a chance of going 3-0 these last games. Cute.[/quote]

Cousins is obviously the savior of this franchise.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048267]I like how people think there's even a chance of going 3-0 these last games. Cute.[/quote]

I hope he does but this team is too talentless and have given up too much for us to actually win. QB is nothing without the other needed pieces around him.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1048261]I honestly dont see how benching RGIII now is a bad thing



4) If, as i believe, Shanahan (and the players on the team) dont like RGIII and feel the franchise is better with Cousins, this is the chance to prove it. Its a losing season. WHy not? What if we go 3-0 over these final three games and Cousins is noticeably and dramatically better in this system than RGIII. Then Shanahan will have shown Snyder he was right. We keep Shanahan, keep Cousins, and trade RGIII.

The only downside to playing cousins is hurting RGIIIs feelings. To be honest, i dont care. Thus far, RGIII has proven himself to be a diva and a whiny baby who feels entitled to respect and special treatment he hasnt earned. If he cant deal with this situation, then he doesnt have the mental makeup to succeed as an NFL QB.[/quote]

I agree with this concept. Even though I think Cousins is not better I still think he deserves a shot to show what he can do. I do think Shanahan needs to go no matter what. I've seen enough of him.

If RG3 can't handle it he is not a franchise QB, even though I think he will and come back next year with a new coach that actually knows how to run a team in today's NFL.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1048275]I hope he does but this team is too talentless and have given up too much for us to actually win. QB is nothing without the other needed pieces around him.[/quote]

Problems all over and all this drama is the cherry on top. We'll be lucky to win 1 of these last 3.

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[quote=Chico23231;1048274]Cousins is obviously the savior of this franchise.[/quote]I remember when Beck was supposed to save us from the Rexxie Horror Picture Show :laughing2

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[quote=Mattyk;1048278]Problems all over and all this drama is the cherry on top. We'll be lucky to win 1 of these last 3.[/quote]

Careful with your metaphors, Matty. Who would put a cherry on top of a turd?

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A poll on ES has 60% of the users favor this move by Shanny. /facepalm


I bet these are the same kids that wanted to sit RGIII for a year for him to fully heal. Also probably the same kids that think his performance is because of health related issues.

I really don't get it. What exactly are you going to protect him from? A injury? He could get in a car wreck next week and still put out of the season for next year. He could tear a ACL in practice or a pre-season game. You guys are hilarious in a sad sort of way that you feel the need to use kid gloves with your star QB. This guy needs experience at the NFL level, and he sure as hell isn't going to get that playing Madden, watching film, NOR being in-active on game day.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1048280]Careful with your metaphors, Matty. [B]Who would put a cherry on top of a turd?[/B][/quote]Anyone with class. Duh!

My gut reaction is that I hate this move too much for words. Shanny should be railroaded out of town for causing this mess.

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Does anyone think this shit show will be any better next year?

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[quote=Mattyk;1048267]I like how people think there's even a chance of going 3-0 these last games. Cute.[/quote]

It's pretty clear at this point that we're destined to run the tables, securing Shanny's 12-15 year contract extension.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048281][B]A poll on ES has 60% of the users favor this move by Shanny[/B]. /facepalm


I bet these are the same kids that wanted to sit RGIII for a year for him to fully heal. Also probably the same kids that think his performance is because of health related issues.

I really don't get it. What exactly are you going to protect him from? A injury? He could get in a car wreck next week and still put out of the season for next year. He could tear a ACL in practice or a pre-season game. You guys are hilarious in a sad sort of way that you feel the need to use kid gloves with your star QB. This guy needs experience at the NFL level, and he sure as hell isn't going to get that playing Madden, watching film, NOR being in-active on game day.[/quote]

fuckin sheep

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048281]A poll on ES has 60% of the users favor this move by Shanny. /facepalm


I bet these are the same kids that wanted to sit RGIII for a year for him to fully heal. Also probably the same kids that think his performance is because of health related issues.

I really don't get it. What exactly are you going to protect him from? A injury? He could get in a car wreck next week and still put out of the season for next year. He could tear a ACL in practice or a pre-season game. You guys are hilarious in a sad sort of way that you feel the need to use kid gloves with your star QB. This guy needs experience at the NFL level, and he sure as hell isn't going to get that playing Madden, watching film, NOR being in-active on game day.[/quote]

Sadly I feel we will all be wishing RG3 was playing by half time. Of course now that he isn't playing Shanny might run the ball this week and keep Matt Ryan from torching our D.

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[quote=Hijinx;1048283]Does anyone think this shit show will be any better next year?[/quote]

There are some that think the mere removal of Shanny will mean brighter days. It brings up the saying "Who is worse? the devil you know or the devil you don't."

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[quote=NC_Skins;1048281]A poll on ES has 60% of the users favor this move by Shanny. /facepalm


I bet these are the same kids that wanted to sit RGIII for a year for him to fully heal. Also probably the same kids that think his performance is because of health related issues.

I really don't get it. What exactly are you going to protect him from? A injury? He could get in a car wreck next week and still put out of the season for next year. He could tear a ACL in practice or a pre-season game. You guys are hilarious in a sad sort of way that you feel the need to use kid gloves with your star QB. This guy needs experience at the NFL level, and he sure as hell isn't going to get that playing Madden, watching film, NOR being in-active on game day.[/quote]



Those are the TEbow commentors who see RG3 with envy.

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So is Jordan Reed shut down for the rest of the year too? I came into this year hoping to see Reed get on the field with Fred Davis, but then Reed emerged and Davis got in Shanny's dog house.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048267]I like how people think there's even a chance of going 3-0 these last games. Cute.[/quote]

IMO over the last 3 weeks we will perform as we did against the Chiefs, with a mess on the field reflecting a mess in the front office. It doesn't matter who the QB is for this year in terms of W-L.

I still wish we could get the reps for RGIII, though. What a clusterfudge this situation is.

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[quote=Mattyk;1048042]I don't have any investment in either QB, I'm just done with this season as a whole. This latest fiasco only cements that.[/quote]



You're just early in the 12 step process, still angry and whatnot. Hang in there Matty better days ahead in DC.

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[quote=over the mountain;1048216]im gonna nit-pic here. i dont know why the article said shanahan was a large reason for the skins getting the cap penalty.

the cap penalty/violation was for the structure of the contract vinny had AH and hall sign so i dont really know why that is put at shanahan's feet. the violation came at the time of signing, which was on DS and vinny's watch.

just nit-picking though.

im looking forward to watching mike's presser once it is up. sounds like he has gone full asshole but im gonna wait to watch and make up my own mind[/quote]

I thought it was the restructuring of several contracts in the uncapped year to avoid it hurting our cap in other years.

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[quote=Chico23231;1048286]fuckin sheep[/quote]

He agrees

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