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[quote=skinsfan69;1084120]I was hoping for the coaches to help KC out there and just run Helu up the middle and take the 3 points to end the half. There really wasn't enough time there for a TD and I think Gruden got greedy there. But you're right, KC needed to know the situation and not taken a sack and just thrown it away. In a tighter game that could've come back to haunt them.[/quote]

Good point. I was expecting the run to position the FG attempt. I was thinking that Jay Gruden would consider Cousins' lack of experience in those situations and not put him in a position to make a mistake.

Somehow, I have a gut feeling that Jay isn't going to back off one bit even though he has a young QB running the show. But what do I know?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1084120]I was hoping for the coaches to help KC out there and just run Helu up the middle and take the 3 points to end the half. There really wasn't enough time there for a TD and I think Gruden got greedy there. But you're right, KC needed to know the situation and not taken a sack and just thrown it away. In a tighter game that could've come back to haunt them.[/quote]

Spot on.

Also, if we had a kicker with a strong leg (55 yard field goal), we could have risen above that error.

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[QUOTE=ethat001;1084000]It's way too early to tell if Cousins is the answer. But on paper -- our team is actually pretty good, and we can theoretically have a chance at playoffs and beyond. We have a top 5 running back / running game, two probowl WRs (and decent WR depth), a top-tier TE, and currently our defense looks legit against inferior talent.



We were just lacking good QB play -- to get the ball into our playmakers' hands. IF we have that, I see no reason for us to contend, and THIS year. We're not the Seahawks/Denver/Patriots, but we can certainly go far in our division.. All depends on Cousins, but if he plays just average, it shouldn't be hard to do okay this year.



Not even mentioning our improved return game, our Oline backups who could challenge starters (Moses/S.Long), Merriweather's return, Cofield coming back, ?P.Thomas, etc.





Also got to hand it to Gruden so far. Early to tell, but early take on his decisions to date have been pretty good. (1) Keep Cousins & also McCoy, (2) NOT drafting MLB but relying on K.Robinson instead, (3) Keeping Haslett (so far so good), (4) FA: Hatcher/Djax/A.Roberts - all good so far with reasonable cap hits, (5) FA - avoiding big splashes & getting depth like A.Davis / etc on special teams & R.Clark as a leader so far, (6) Tress Way, (7) Drafting R.Grant (and Murphy, Breeland & Moses may prove to be good pickups)... It just seems like with our injuries, our depth is good enough to keep us in contention, and prior years we sucked if one or two people went out.[/QUOTE]


Got to agree with the last paragraph. Obviously, it is still early, but early indications are good for all of these decisions.

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I have hopes that Cousins plays well......I think back to that Cleveland Browns game two years ago....he was sharp....but his three game audition last year showed that he was okay but not good.....hopefully the difference between this year and last year is coaching....Gruden and his staff will be able to get more out Cousins than the Shanahans did....

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I will say this for people that might be a little too eager to discard RG3. Last year Josh McCown outplayed Cutler in Chicago. Granted its still early in the season but right now Cutler is looking like a top 10 QB while McCown has struggled to say the least. Point being, patience is a virtue.

[QUOTE]vir·tue
ˈvərCHo͞o/Submit
noun
1.
behavior showing high moral standards.[/QUOTE]

Wait, thats what virtue means? I thought it meant an attribute that contributes to awesomeness.

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[quote=Fiversons;1083259]I couldn't have said it better myself... I was a huge RGIII believer, and I would still be if he could stay healthy, but he can't... RGIII might have a higher ceiling than Kirk, but how long is it going to take for him to get there? And more importantly, can he stay healthy long enough to get there even if he can? I see the type of success Luck and Wilson are having, and I can't justify simply drinking the Kool Aid blind anymore... I am still a RGIII fan, but I am a bigger fan of the Redskins... If Captain Kirk has success while RGIII is out, which I think he will, we would be damn stupid to trade him and bank of III staying healthy and reaching his ceiling, how ever high that might be...[/quote]

Steadily good beats unrealized potential in my book. Truth be told who really knows what Cousins ceiling is, really? Sure Griffin is more athletic and faster but that is not all a quarterback makes. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Drew Breeds don't have those qualities but they have decent careers and their stats aren't too shabby. :-)

I'm by no means saying Big Cous will play as well as those three, just that the jury isn't out on him yet. I'm going to wait and go by how he plays THIS season, then go from there.

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[quote=over the mountain;1084058]... but i did quote the top paragraph bc this is the 2nd time i have heard RG3 does well with pre-snap reads and cousins needs to improve. when i see cousins, i see him calling out the mike and being a lot more vocal at the line pre-snap vs RG3 who seems to never shift protection and seems oblivious (sometimes) to clear blitzes.[/quote]

the biggest bs myth about griffin is that he can't read defenses, either pre-snap or during the play.

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Any truth to the reports that RGIII might be back in 5-6 weeks - ie, before the bye? Seems awfully fast for that injury. I hope we have learned the lesson about getting him on the field before he is 100%.

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Only way is if KC is losing even then seems crazy

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[quote=calia;1084215]Any truth to the reports that RGIII might be back in 5-6 weeks - ie, before the bye? Seems awfully fast for that injury. I hope we have learned the lesson about getting him on the field before he is 100%.[/quote]

it's speculation, though i believe that's the number Gruden gave as a guess.

he's in a cast for 10 days then they reevaluate, anything before that is just a guess based on how other people have recovered from the injury. my understanding is that there's a wide range for this injury. there's no fracture so it comes down to ligament damage and i assume pain tolerance.

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I honestly don´t see how you could bench KC even in the unlikely case RGIII comes back in 5-6 weeks.

He´s just too good right now to bench him for an injury prone QB that hasn´t had time to prove he´s back to the level he was for one year of his pro career.

Sure, you do that with QBs like Brees, Rodgers, Manning (P), Brady - but not for a virtually unproven guy.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1084160]I will say this for people that might be a little too eager to discard RG3. Last year Josh McCown outplayed Cutler in Chicago. Granted its still early in the season but right now Cutler is looking like a top 10 QB while McCown has struggled to say the least. Point being, patience is a virtue.



Wait, thats what virtue means? I thought it meant an attribute that contributes to awesomeness.[/quote]

McCown has been downright dreadful. They swung and missed badly on that one.

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[quote=calia;1084215]Any truth to the reports that RGIII might be back in 5-6 weeks - ie, before the bye? Seems awfully fast for that injury. I hope we have learned the lesson about getting him on the field before he is 100%.[/quote]

I'd be stunned. I fully expect Griffin to not return at all this year in fact

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[quote=skinsfan69;1085645]McCown has been downright dreadful. They swung and missed badly on that one.[/quote]

I don't know how they didn't see that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1085645]McCown has been downright dreadful. They swung and missed badly on that one.[/quote]
When was he not...pretty much. GO figure

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After reading everyones comments, I cant believe what I have heard from most of you. Has RG3 really done anything for this team? Dont get me wrong, I like the guy. But he has pretty much been on the side line for most of all the seasons he has played in the NFL. KC has been there to take the reigns, and hasnt really let me down at all. He does pretty good for stepping in without working with the first string players. If it were up to me, I would keep him as the starter and wouldnt even look back.

For RG3, I believe he is done. He cant stay healthy. This makes how many time he has been hurt? I believe 3 off the top of my head. If he has been heart than many time in the last couple of seasons hes played. In my opinion, I believe he cant stay healthy.

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[quote=gregkthompson;1085651]After reading everyones comments, I cant believe what I have heard from most of you. Has RG3 really done anything for this team? Dont get me wrong, I like the guy. But he has pretty much been on the side line for most of all the seasons he has played in the NFL. KC has been there to take the reigns, and hasnt really let me down at all. He does pretty good for stepping in without working with the first string players. If it were up to me, I would keep him as the starter and wouldnt even look back.

For RG3, I believe he is done. He cant stay healthy. This makes how many time he has been hurt? I believe 3 off the top of my head. If he has been heart than many time in the last couple of seasons hes played. In my opinion, I believe he cant stay healthy.[/quote]

Strong Post....


Oh wait, today isn't ThrowbackThursday

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RG3 hasn't done anything? Anything?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1085646]I'd be stunned. I fully expect Griffin to not return at all this year in fact[/quote]

Is his turned ankle that bad?

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[quote=gregkthompson;1085651]After reading everyones comments, I cant believe what I have heard from most of you. Has RG3 really done anything for this team? Dont get me wrong, I like the guy. But he has pretty much been on the side line for most of all the seasons he has played in the NFL. KC has been there to take the reigns, and hasnt really let me down at all. He does pretty good for stepping in without working with the first string players. If it were up to me, I would keep him as the starter and wouldnt even look back.

For RG3, I believe he is done. He cant stay healthy. This makes how many time he has been hurt? I believe 3 off the top of my head. If he has been heart than many time in the last couple of seasons hes played. In my opinion, I believe he cant stay healthy.[/quote]

When was the last time the Redskins made the playoffs? RG3 missed one game that year. Cousins came in the Baltimore game to score the TD after RG3 sacrificed his knee to get the team down the field. He got hurt taking us to the playoffs. What has Cousins done for the team?

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1085667]When was the last time the Redskins made the playoffs? RG3 missed one game that year. Cousins came in the Baltimore game to score the TD after RG3 sacrificed his knee to get the team down the field. He got hurt taking us to the playoffs. What has Cousins done for the team?[/quote]


Just as much as RG3 I guess. Making it to the playoffs doenst mean squat. Thats like saying some people make it to college. But if they dont finish, it doesnt mean anything.

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[QUOTE=gregkthompson;1085669]Just as much as RG3 I guess. Making it to the playoffs doenst mean squat. Thats like saying some people make it to college. But if they dont finish, it doesnt mean anything.[/QUOTE]


Rookie of the year? Playoffs as a rook? Division title? All that doesn't mean anything? Ok.

Cousins is still in grade school using that logic.

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[quote=Mattyk;1085671]Rookie of the year? Playoffs as a rook? Division title? All that doesn't mean anything? Ok.

Cousins is still in grade school using that logic.[/quote]

So he made it to the playoffs his first year being a quarterback. Does he have a ring? Dont they play this game to win the big one, THE SUPER BOWL!

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[QUOTE=gregkthompson;1085673]So he made it to the playoffs his first year being a quarterback. Does he have a ring? Dont they play this game to win the big one, THE SUPER BOWL![/QUOTE]


Cousins has 1 win as a starter.

1.

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[quote=gregkthompson;1085673]So he made it to the playoffs his first year being a quarterback. Does he have a ring? Dont they play this game to win the big one, THE SUPER BOWL![/quote]

Damn, guess Dan Marino hasn't done jack in his life.

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[quote=gregkthompson;1085673]So he made it to the playoffs his first year being a quarterback. Does he have a ring? Dont they play this game to win the big one, THE SUPER BOWL![/quote]

I disagree that success is defined as that one game. I felt 2012 was a very successful season. I am sure the Eagles felt 2013 was.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1085676]I disagree that success is defined as that one game. I felt 2012 was a very successful season. I am sure the Eagles felt 2013 was.[/quote]

10-6, feeling optimistic even after a playoff loss = 3-13, looking like dog shit for an entire season.

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The whole truth, facts.....logic thing has become so tired.
Blah blah blah. A true fan has no need of
In 2012 Robert electrified the fanbase and it was a sweet ride! I for one won't take it lightly if he is unable to return to his original form. It cannot be denied that KC has shown some real talent on the field. My hope is we have our own version of Rivers/Bree's conundrum.
Let it plAy out and he truth will be revealed brother
HTTR

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1085665]Is his turned ankle that bad?[/quote]

I don't think he's ready to come back before Week 11-12 (partly my speculation, partly things I've been told)

So here are the scenarios

1) KC is playing well and team is winning-why rush RG3 back and disturb the groove

2) KC is playing well and team is losing-if they're losing like out of it then why subject RG3 to unnecessary pain(and I don't think they'll be out of it in this division....I sure hope not)

3) KC is not playing well...WILL NEVER HAPPEN

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[quote=Mattyk;1085674]Cousins has 1 win as a starter.

1.[/quote]

First let me say this, I am not trying to bash RG3. I like the guy. I just thinks hes done. He cant stay healthy.

But KC has 1 win out of I think 5 games he started. Dont take my word for that. But for someone that doesnt get to work with the starting offense all through the preseason and probably most of the season unless if the starter gets hurt. I think he has shown what he can accomplish. Imagine if he actually got to work with the starters during the training camps and all the practices.

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Just what this board needed: another member of the Cult of Kirk.

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[quote=gregkthompson;1085684]First let me say this, I am not trying to bash RG3. I like the guy. I just thinks hes done. He cant stay healthy.[/quote]

He is not done after less than three years. There are a number of successful QB's who were hurt early in their careers.

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[quote=gregkthompson;1085684]First let me say this, I am not trying to bash RG3. I like the guy. I just thinks hes done. He cant stay healthy.

But KC has 1 win out of I think 5 games he started. Dont take my word for that. But for someone that doesnt get to work with the starting offense all through the preseason and probably most of the season unless if the starter gets hurt. I think he has shown what he can accomplish. Imagine if he actually got to work with the starters during the training camps and all the practices.[/quote]

I hate to see what you think of people you are trying to bash

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All I'm trying to say is lets give KC a chance. He is good, and he can only get better. But everyone is all about RG3 and they want to do is talk about when RG3 will be back and ready to play. My thoughts and I believe, it really doesnt matter what KC does or how he plays, when RG3 gets back and feeling good, he will be back in and KC will be warming the bench.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1085694]I hate to see what you think of people you are trying to bash[/quote]


Smoot, did you take out a comment?


Edit: Nevermind I found it, it was in different thread.

But I guess it fits here better.

On what basis are you questioning RG3's intelligence, because he's athletic? that seems like a weak premise.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1085683]I don't think he's ready to come back before Week 11-12 (partly my speculation, partly things I've been told)

So here are the scenarios

1) KC is playing well and team is winning-why rush RG3 back and disturb the groove

2) KC is playing well and team is losing-if they're losing like out of it then why subject RG3 to unnecessary pain(and I don't think they'll be out of it in this division....I sure hope not)

3) KC is not playing well...WILL NEVER HAPPEN[/quote]


How well can KC be playing if the team is losing? That's like an NFL oxymoron.

Anyhow, winning trumps all else. Even if KC is playing well and the team is losing, then he's still in imminent danger of being replaced by Robert when he returns. The obvious truth is that we can lose without KC and the applicable theory is that we might be able to win some games with Robert and his skill set.

If the Skins were to keep a relatively healthy RGIII on the bench when they are losing, Robert would go ballistic. There is no way that Gruden's relationship with Robert wouldn't be damaged by doing that.

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[quote=gregkthompson;1085651]After reading everyones comments, I cant believe what I have heard from most of you. Has RG3 really done anything for this team? Dont get me wrong, I like the guy. But he has pretty much been on the side line for most of all the seasons he has played in the NFL. KC has been there to take the reigns, and hasnt really let me down at all. He does pretty good for stepping in without working with the first string players. If it were up to me, I would keep him as the starter and wouldnt even look back.

For RG3, I believe he is done. He cant stay healthy. This makes how many time he has been hurt? I believe 3 off the top of my head. If he has been heart than many time in the last couple of seasons hes played. In my opinion, I believe he cant stay healthy.[/quote]

Cousins' record has been 1-4...

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[quote=WillH;1085696]Smoot, did you take out a comment?


Edit: Nevermind I found it, it was in different thread.

But I guess it fits here better.

On what basis are you questioning RG3's intelligence, because he's athletic? that seems like a weak premise.[/quote]

Prove me wrong Will...prove me wrong

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1085698]How well can KC be playing if the team is losing? That's like an NFL oxymoron.

Anyhow, winning trumps all else. Even if KC is playing well and the team is losing, then he's still in imminent danger of being replaced by Robert when he returns. The obvious truth is that we can lose without KC and the applicable theory is that we might be able to win some games with Robert and his skill set.

If the Skins were to keep a relatively healthy RGIII on the bench when they are losing, Robert would go ballistic. There is no way that Gruden's relationship with Robert wouldn't be damaged by doing that.[/quote]

Yeah well they lost on Sunday, and some are putting him on the QB Mt. Rushmore so...

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yesterday cousins has hit his ceiling, today he is jesus.

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