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saden1 10-14-2014 06:54 PM

Re: Skins vs. Cards Positives + Negatives
 
[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1089592]Alfred Morris is not running the ball enough....that's a large negative......he's just averaging 4.0 yards a carry......there's not enough talent along the o line.[/quote]

Amen. It doesn't take a genius to know that a) you run the ball and b) you run it anywhere but behind Chesty and Plumpy.

KI Skins Fan 10-14-2014 07:26 PM

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From CSN Washington:

"RT Tyler Polumbus has given up seven of the team’s nine sacks and a third of the QB hurries the team has been charged with."

So, it looks like we're not blowing up the RT problem out of proportion after all. We can all plainly see that Morgan Moses isn't ready but why not give Tom Compton a shot at the job?

Poor play needs to become unacceptable on the Redskins team. You play poorly over time and you lose your job.

saden1 10-14-2014 08:16 PM

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Unfortunately Redskins park is a place you pick up a check not earn it. If the owner isn't accountable the players certainly won't be.

Dirtbag59 10-15-2014 12:35 AM

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[quote=over the mountain;1089590]the problem on D is pretty straight forward imo. we are idiots.

we heavily invested in pass rush at the expense of the secondary. we went all in on the pass rush banking on the fact that it would cover up our secondary deficiencies.

sans the jags game, every QB has posted a QBR above 100 on us and I dont think offensive coordinators are having much trouble dissecting haslett's schemes and tendencies.

$21.6 mil = avg NFL team salary for DL
$26.5 = redskins salary

$15 mil = avg NFL team salary for LB
$23 = redskins salary

$12.3 mil = nfl avg for corners
$7.8 = redskins corners (highest cap hit is tracy porter at 2.8)

$8.2 mil = nfl avg for safeties
$3.7 = redskins (highest merriweather at 1)

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/6877/redskins-salary-cap-breakdown-defense]Redskins salary-cap breakdown: Defense - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Safety is the only secondary position I really care about. Corners, especially with the current rules, get paid way too much for a position in which they are counted on for maybe 10 out of 60 plays.

Virtually every top Super Bowl level defense the past decade or so has had a strong pass rush, some with average at best talent at corner (Giants and Steelers). In fact the only corner that I would say was really worthy of the praise they got this past decade was Charles Woodson during Green Bay's Super Bowl run. The Seahawks secondary gets a lot of attention but in truth the pass rush is likely making a lot of those guys look better than they are.

I can't totally blame them for the lack of safety as safety talent these past couple of years has been difficult to find for all 32 teams.

over the mountain 10-15-2014 10:37 AM

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1089630]Safety is the only secondary position I really care about. Corners, especially with the current rules, get paid way too much for a position in which they are counted on for maybe 10 out of 60 plays.

Virtually every top Super Bowl level defense the past decade or so has had a strong pass rush, some with average at best talent at corner (Giants and Steelers). In fact the only corner that I would say was really worthy of the praise they got this past decade was Charles Woodson during Green Bay's Super Bowl run. The Seahawks secondary gets a lot of attention but in truth the pass rush is likely making a lot of those guys look better than they are.

I can't totally blame them for the lack of safety as safety talent these past couple of years has been difficult to find for all 32 teams.[/quote]

good point about corners, i mostly agree that a pass rush is a lot more important than corners. (assuming the pass rush actually gets there)

i can totally blame the FO for the safety failures thoo. our FO has put together the least talented safety tandem and corners of all 32 teams. the result is opposing QBs are feasting on us (minus henne).

JWsleep 10-15-2014 12:01 PM

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I guess I'm fine with building inside out--first the front 7, then the DBs. I do think we are better this year with the front 7. Maybe next year, out from cap penalties and the RGIII trade we'll get some serious DBs, especially safety. I actually think Amerson (sp?) is quite good. Wish Phillips could get on the field.

About Haz: meh. I don't think he's very good, but he clearly doesn't have all that much talent to work with. Hard to blitz with a shitty secondary, IMO. And the blitz is the heart of what he does. That's not to give him a free pass, but I'm not sure how firing him is going to change personnel trouble this season. Let him ride it down and get a new guy and some new bodies next season.

The O-line remains the saddest thing about this team. Could you imagine if RGIII (or whoever) had time to throw on a regular basis? WIth these WRs/TEs? Oy.

artmonkforhallofamein07 10-15-2014 12:15 PM

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Those Dline numbers are a bit inflated. We have Cofield and Bowen injured and I believe those two make up 14mil or so of that 26mil figure.

To put it this way, if the front office doesn't spend the 14mil from the Bowen and Cofield contracts and the 11.9mil from the Rak contract next year to shore up some problems in the secondary and along the line then they are a bunch of morons. That is at minimum 25 million to play with on the defensive side of the ball.

artmonkforhallofamein07 10-15-2014 12:18 PM

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[quote=JWsleep;1089663]I guess I'm fine with building inside out--first the front 7, then the DBs. I do think we are better this year with the front 7. Maybe next year, out from cap penalties and the RGIII trade we'll get some serious DBs, especially safety. I actually think Amerson (sp?) is quite good. Wish Phillips could get on the field.

About Haz: meh. I don't think he's very good, but he clearly doesn't have all that much talent to work with. Hard to blitz with a shitty secondary, IMO. And the blitz is the heart of what he does. That's not to give him a free pass, but I'm not sure how firing him is going to change personnel trouble this season. Let him ride it down and get a new guy and some new bodies next season.

[B]The O-line remains the saddest thing about this team. Could you imagine if RGIII (or whoever) had time to throw on a regular basis? WIth these WRs/TEs? Oy[/B].[/quote]

This. We have a few important pieces to creating an unstoppable offense. Just need some protection and the offensive side of the ball will be able to score a ton.

If we had Djax, Roberts and Reed during RG III rookie season his numbers and our wins would have been huge.

SirLK26 10-15-2014 07:02 PM

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A positive? Will Compton in place of Riley. We may have a jack that can actually cover now.

[url=http://hail22.com/2014/10/15/all-22-breakdown-will-compton/]All-22 Breakdown: Will Compton - Hail 22[/url]

punch it in 10-15-2014 07:09 PM

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[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1089665]This. We have a few important pieces to creating an unstoppable offense. Just need some protection and the offensive side of the ball will be able to score a ton.



If we had Djax, Roberts and Reed during RG III rookie season his numbers and our wins would have been huge.[/QUOTE]


No doubt an oline helps but do we have a QB? Most of Cousins int's werent due to pass pro they were due to him. I sure as hell hope Griff has what it takes and stays healthy but only time will tell.

SFREDSKIN 10-15-2014 09:32 PM

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[quote=SirLK26;1089675]A positive? Will Compton in place of Riley. We may have a jack that can actually cover now.

[url=http://hail22.com/2014/10/15/all-22-breakdown-will-compton/]All-22 Breakdown: Will Compton - Hail 22[/url][/quote]

Yep, liked what I saw on Sunday and didn't get burned once unlike Riley.

Dirtbag59 10-15-2014 10:22 PM

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1089687]Yep, liked what I saw on Sunday and didn't get burned once unlike Riley.[/quote]

I would like to point out, as someone who has never been wrong about anything, that I was calling Riley a coverage liability long before it was cool.

From 2012:
[quote=Dirtbag59;952811]Yeah, I say put him at ILB. I mean he seems to be nowhere near the liabilty in coverage that Riley is and on top of that he was able to rush the passer from the ILB spot, something Riley has not been able to do.[/quote]

[quote=Dirtbag59;958775]I pointed this out before but right now we don't really have 4-3 personnel, mainly due to the fact that we're short on traditional linebackers.

I mean lets see.

OLB - Perry Riley (Coverage liability)
[/quote]

And no I will not be taking questions about Morgan Moses or Andrew Datko at this time.

SirLK26 10-15-2014 10:31 PM

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1089693]I would like to point out, as someone who has never been wrong about anything, that I was calling Riley a coverage liability long before it was cool.

From 2012:




[B]And no I will not be taking questions about Morgan Moses or Andrew Datko at this time.[/B][/quote]

So, about that Trent Murphy fellow... :Smoker:

SirLK26 10-16-2014 05:16 PM

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Not sure where to put this, but in today's presser Gruden said that Moses is starting to press Polumbus for the starting job. I'm sure it'll be a while yet before he actually overtakes The Swinging Gate, but this is great news. He was solid against Seattle, albeit in a very short time and minus that one horrible snap. I expect him to be in the starting lineup well before the season's over.

over the mountain 10-16-2014 05:39 PM

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cooley's defense film breakdown said that: (as best i can remember listening in the car)

jenkins and baker did a poor job of taking on their assignments against the cards and basically refused to take on the double team.

rak is doing the same power move every single time and that rak appears more focused on getting holding calls then sacks. rak is a pretty good player but not 11 mil type player

kerrigan is completely lost on stunt plays. he suggested switching sides w rak. (i personally believe rak tells the coaches he isnt comfortable going from the LE)

breeland and amerson are playing how you expect them to. breeland is playing like a 4th round rookie with upside. amerson is playing like a second year player.

clark - did not have a good game. poor tackling led to one TD, playing 20 yards off when an all out blitz was called and biggers was left on the right side defending 2 receivers but clark never came up to help at all.

merriweather - he is what he is.

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i didnt hear a lot of offense break down but

coaching - very bad. they need to give morris 25 plus touches. garcon is poor at getting separation on long pass plays but they keep calling those and not short to intermediate stuff for him.

trent - pro bowler caliber effort for a guy who was very much in doubt to play

kory - thinks he is a tremendous center, good vocals

polumbus - just cannot anchor and gets pushed back repeatedly. for a big guy he should have some pride and not get pushed around.

reed- quite amazing. has amazing first step/burst. runs probably the best routes of any nfl TE. was okay in run game.

d jax - gave him a low grade despite the big plays. sd his lack of even trying to block is becoming a big problem and its time for someone to say something bc his absolute lack of even trying is negatively effecting the plays/production of other players.

also sd the int where we did trips and tried to throw a short screen was absolutely on d jax for not even trying to fight to get into the spot that kirk is expecting him to get to. sd roberts did an okay not-so-great job of screening on that play but d jax didnt even try and he has to at least try and get to the spot to at least break the play up. just left kirk out to dry.

morris - was okay but helu had something like 36 snaps to morris' 29 (or some close number).

SirLK26 10-16-2014 08:38 PM

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[quote=over the mountain;1089752]<snip>also sd the int where we did trips and tried to throw a short screen was absolutely on d jax for not even trying to fight to get into the spot that kirk is expecting him to get to. sd roberts did an okay not-so-great job of screening on that play but d jax didnt even try and he has to at least try and get to the spot to at least break the play up. just left kirk out to dry.<snip>[/quote]

Hmmm. In [URL="http://hail22.com/2014/10/14/redskins-3rd-down-analysis/"]this breakdown of that play[/URL](scroll to the bottom), Mark Bullock says Cousins hesitated just a bit when he was supposed to throw, leading Jackson to hesitate instead of running full speed to where the ball was thrown. Cooley makes it sound like that play was totally on Jackson.

Gary84Clark 10-16-2014 10:53 PM

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Geno just got hurt standing in the pocket. Pocket passers get hurt the most.

htownskinfan 10-21-2014 02:24 PM

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[quote=htownskinfan;1089435]Does anybody believe McCoy is going to save our season? If the answer is no then why bother? He is not the future

I am not saying cousins is the future,what I am saying is it doesn't make any sense to stick McCoy in the lineup

Two or three games ago everybody thought cousins was our future now everybody wants him to hit the road,Stick Mccoy in there!!

Cousins it's probably not the future but needs to take his lumps and get the experience just in case

I think what probably will end up happening is cousins getting cut or traded for a very low pick and then going to another team and becoming all pro,that seems to be the redskins luck[/quote]

I wanted to go back and revisit this since I said let Cousins play and take his lumps,but after the first half Sunday I was not at all upset Gruden put in Colt,Cousins has lost his confidence and the team can tell


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