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Pretty sure RW started his first year.

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[quote=Avinash_Tyagi;1094734]Because he's a mediocre coach

Being able to talk bluntly =/= Good Coach[/quote]


Not sure how old you are, but I am old enough to remember Joe Gibbs, when he first started. Many thought he wouldn't make a good coach either, when he started 0-5. Many now look foolish for passing judgement a little too soon.

How about giving this guy another year or so.

Think about all that Gruden has been through thus far.

Think about the crap that he's dealing with (1. injury to starting QB, CB, NT, OLB, etc. , 2. the losses in a town that lives in a microscope, 3. the rumors true or not that the media reports on every single day).

How much better can someone handle it than he has?

That alone shows me leadership and courage. Give him time....he will be successful.

Hail!

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[quote=Bangee7;1094782]Not sure how old you are, but I am old enough to remember Joe Gibbs, when he first started. Many thought he wouldn't make a good coach either, when he started 0-5. Many now look foolish for passing judgement a little too soon.

How about giving this guy another year or so.

Think about all that Gruden has been through thus far.

Think about the crap that he's dealing with (1. injury to starting QB, CB, NT, OLB, etc. , 2. the losses in a town that lives in a microscope, 3. the rumors true or not that the media reports on every single day).

How much better can someone handle it than he has?

That alone shows me leadership and courage. Give him time....he will be successful.

Hail![/quote]

Reasonable.....patient.....intelligent approach?
Are you really a Redskin fan?
Hail

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[quote=mredskins;1094772]Pretty sure RW started his first year.[/quote]

I stand corrected -- you're right, he did. I was thinking of Colin Kapernick, who waited a year before taking over for the injured Alex Smith.

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The problem with the Redskins is that ever since Snyder became the owner there is no effort or commitment to fix the foundation of this franchise, do the little things to be a quality franchise. The roster is run like other areas of the organization.

He makes a billion dollars a year from us as fans but won't put in any effort to fix the fan experience at Fed-Ex. The player locker rooms at Fed Ex look like a high school locker room. He only recently decided to renovate Ashburn. Snyder is always cutting corners, being cheap.
With the roster we are always looking for the flash and sizzle moves to make more money in jersey sales, not quality moves to build a champion. Why have we only had three decent O-Lineman during his tenure? I would argue because line aren't sexy, Trent Williams jerseys don't fly off the shelves.

I feel bad for RG3, he wants so bad to be the savior of this franchise, but he will never get the chance because the environment created by Snyder is cancerous. He would be better off in Jacksonville or with the Raiders.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1094756]I like everyone else wish for Dan Snyder to sell the team. But that's never gonna have a chance of happening unless fans can get in his pocket by not buying merchandise, not coming to games, not buying his expired beer, etc... Lots of people talk a big talk but if we as fans all banded together and said "no more", changes could happen.[/QUOTE]


This..


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[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1094751]Rivers went through a long time period where he was developed. Rivers was considered a bust at one point, but the Chargers stuck with him. Rivers in his 3rd year was not a franchise QB. Is it fair to compare a 3rd year QB to a 10 year vet?[/QUOTE]


Have fun freezing in the Atlantic, because you missed the lifeboats. I jumped off this boat when I saw him trying to be a pocket QB. Say hi to Leonardo for me..


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[QUOTE=VTSkins1961;1094737]2015 draft - S, OL, OL,, OL, LB, CB, S,DL. - Free agency - S, OL, LB, CB, QB

RAK - no resigned unless with reasonable contract

HAZ - gone - BACK to 4-3 (easier to draft DT than NT)

Allen will not be gone - higher assistant GM in charge of personal, More and better scouting department

position changes - Kerrigan - DE, Rak (if reasigned) DE, Robinson OLB

cut - chester, polumbus, louava (sp) Clark, Porter, and older players with high cap.



Unfortunatly no way Snyder sells the team or I'd say cut him too....[/QUOTE]


No QB? [emoji62]


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Forgot that. I'd bring in a free agent QB. We are stuck with RG3 for 1 more year even if he isn't the starter. First we have to address the o-line.... Any QB will get killed back there with our current o-line.

[quote=Brody81;1094793]No QB? [emoji62]


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[quote=SolidSnake84;1094756]I like everyone else wish for Dan Snyder to sell the team. But that's never gonna have a chance of happening unless fans can get in his pocket by not buying merchandise, not coming to games, not buying his expired beer, etc... Lots of people talk a big talk but if we as fans all banded together and said "no more", changes could happen.[/quote]

Shanny and/or Bruce Allen have been running this team for the past couple of years. What does that have to do with Snyder?

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Snyder is still very involved, I don't think it's so rare for an NFL owner to be involved. But we're not winning. And he's young and rich. So...

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094814]Snyder is still very involved, I don't think it's so rare for an NFL owner to be involved. But we're not winning. And he's young and rich. So...[/quote]

I'm sure he is involved, but I remember all of us b*tching about the Redskins not having "football people" running the team. Yet, I feel as though that's what we've had that since Shanahan took over the reigns. I'm not saying they were "good" football people, but still. Is not like Snyder is running his team the way Jerry Jones is running the Cowpukes.

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[quote=Brody81;1094793]No QB? [emoji62]


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The Gruden QB fiasco part deux.!!! Like brothers from the same mother.

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[quote=Brody81;1094792]Have fun freezing in the Atlantic, because you missed the lifeboats. I jumped off this boat when I saw him trying to be a pocket QB. Say hi to Leonardo for me..


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Tampa is one game.

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[quote=punch it in;1094653]Yup. Its funny. I have absolutely no idea why people get on Griff for what he says. I think he is very humble, modest, and mature. I do not think he deflects blame. I think his words are often misconstrued. Problem is words dont win games. Play wins games. Unfortunately that is something imo that is terribly lacking. Not his damn tweets. Who gives a shit about his effin tweets.[/quote]


He isn't humble nor modest. He's boasted about this being his team. He's boasted about he'll play the way he wants to play. He's thrown the team under the bus on various occasions. He's constantly defending his bad words or his "toughness". In three years, this kid still hasn't gotten this single concept down, which is to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Things Robert needs to do:

1) Toughen the fuck up
2) Delete facebook and twitter
3) Lead through your actions on the field
4) Shut the fuck up

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[quote=Ruhskins;1094816]I'm sure he is involved, but I remember all of us b*tching about the Redskins not having "football people" running the team. Yet, I feel as though that's what we've had that since Shanahan took over the reigns. I'm not saying they were "good" football people, but still. Is not like Snyder is running his team the way Jerry Jones is running the Cowpukes.[/quote]

If Dan Snyder was running the Cowboys then Johnny Football would be a Cowboy now.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1094814]Snyder is still very involved, I don't think it's so rare for an NFL owner to be involved. But we're not winning. And he's young and rich. So...[/quote]

his level of involvment is still higher than most...but again its not directly him but others he employs and allows to make decisions or others whose opinions he values and takes advise from; in both situations these folks shouldnt be involved in personel, team building, etc.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1094816]I'm sure he is involved, but I remember all of us b*tching about the Redskins not having "football people" running the team. Yet, I feel as though that's what we've had that since Shanahan took over the reigns. I'm not saying they were "good" football people, but still. Is not like Snyder is running his team the way Jerry Jones is running the Cowpukes.[/quote]

How about you look at the results on the field, use that as the bottomline.

Folks last year we tied the worse Redskins win loss record, now we are heading that way again. think about the in our 80 year history

Shit needs to change based on these facts. Gruden is being handicap from above, we know this as fact

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[quote=Chico23231;1094853]How about you look at the results on the field, use that as the bottomline.

Folks last year we tied the worse Redskins win loss record, now we are heading that way again. think about the in our 80 year history

Shit needs to change based on these facts. Gruden is being handicap from above, we know this as fact[/quote]

On-field results is the only thing that matters, the rest is noise and excuses. They had a stat on tv on Sunday saying that over the past 10 years the Skins have the 4th worst overall record. Sad.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1094850]He isn't humble nor modest. He's boasted about this being his team. He's boasted about he'll play the way he wants to play. He's thrown the team under the bus on various occasions. He's constantly defending his bad words or his "toughness". In three years, this kid still hasn't gotten this single concept down, which is to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Things Robert needs to do:

1) Toughen the fuck up
2) Delete facebook and twitter
3) Lead through your actions on the field
4) Shut the fuck up[/quote]

I agree 1000% with this!! ..Just don't talk at all..LET YOUR PLAY DO THE TALKING!!..If RGIII is truly working hard and truly understands the game and this is the results then the Skins have the worst coaches in all of football…I believe that based on what the team did at Dallas and several other games this year that the Skins looked okay that the issue is not coaching. If I were the owner I would take the logo off the helmet until the team looked like they deserved it…I truly believe that the mix of free agent malcontents are what is destroying this franchise..look at D max..great skills..but already major drama..garcon is upset waiting to explode..Ryan Clark can't cover anymore..we keep bringing in these high paid out of towner's who never pay off in the long run..RGIII is and always has been a project ..Shanny hid his weakness as best he could..we have 6 games to find out about RGIII . We need OL ,OL..did i say OL..we need to trade One of the WR for a starting OL!!…then lets go after DB,DB.DB…so I draft in order #1 OL,#2 OL,#3 DB,#4 DB,#5 OL,#6 DB,#7 DB..serious ..we have to upgrade this situation before any skill position is relevant. we don't need to draft RB,QB(COLT IS BETTER THAN ANY COLLEGE QB OUT THERE NOW!..) with good OL he could play in this league! ..we don't need another mediocre LB..the murphy pick was a waste..that should have been OL pick. I hope RGIII improves and we still lose all the remaining games ..high draft picks is all that can help us now ..remember the COLTS..suck for luck..well they got him ..how about if we had that vision..and the skins now had Luck! whats winning 3 more games going to help? looking at the schedule we could play great and still lose out..i am a life long fan and finally have a purpose for watching the rest of this season ..I HOPE THEY LOSE OUT..at least there will be something to show for it !! ..what would be funny is that every fan that goes to game pulls for the visiting team !! since Snyder won't change the fans need to in a big way! I can see it now The helmets with no logo..the fans i n the stands pulling for the road team or better yet nobody goes to the game..Snyder sitting in his box looking like he a fool..A guy can dream can't he…...

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[quote=NC_Skins;1094850]He isn't humble nor modest. He's boasted about this being his team. He's boasted about he'll play the way he wants to play. He's thrown the team under the bus on various occasions. He's constantly defending his bad words or his "toughness". In three years, this kid still hasn't gotten this single concept down, which is to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Things Robert needs to do:

1) Toughen the fuck up
2) Delete facebook and twitter
3) Lead through your actions on the field
4) Shut the fuck up[/quote]

Definitely his best strategy at this point. I would add 5) Play the way you're taught to play and 6) Work night and day to get better. Also, you might want to move #4 up to #1 and add "and listen" to it.

I wonder if Robert is starting to comprehend that his career is in jeopardy.

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[quote=irish;1094855]On-field results is the only thing that matters, the rest is noise and excuses. They had a stat on tv on Sunday saying that over the past 10 years the Skins have the 4th worst overall record. Sad.[/quote]

Are you suggesting that losing is a trend?

Now if we could only identify the common denominator of all those losing seasons. Actually, t's probably better not to think about the common denominator because we might realize it and lose all hope.

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RGIII should emmulate Luck who doesn't have a twitter account and just goes about his business, which is football.

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Welcome to today's athletes/celebs folks, they are on social media and it's not likely to change anytime soon. Frankly it's the least of our worries if someone tweets or not.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1094850]He isn't humble nor modest. He's boasted about this being his team. He's boasted about he'll play the way he wants to play. He's thrown the team under the bus on various occasions. He's constantly defending his bad words or his "toughness". In three years, this kid still hasn't gotten this single concept down, which is to SHUT THE FUCK UP.



Things Robert needs to do:



1) Toughen the fuck up

2) Delete facebook and twitter

3) Lead through your actions on the field

4) Shut the fuck up[/QUOTE]


We can agree to disagree. Im probably in the minority but I dont think his intentions are to do any of that. I think he is trying to come across as a leader, and someone who cares enough to win and not just collect a paycheck. His words get twisted and misconstrued. Does his play come across as mighty as his word - no. Not at all. But You can't fault him for that. He has said several times that he must play better. Whatevs though I dont think he will be around that much longer anyway.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1094862]Welcome to today's athletes/celebs folks, they are on social media and it's not likely to change anytime soon. Frankly it's the least of our worries if someone tweets or not.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. If anybody thinks he deletes his twitter account that his play will improve they don't understand social media or football. If he was winning we would all be following him. Lol.

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[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nik-bonaddio/rg3-its-over_b_6179848.html]RG3: It's Over | Nik Bonaddio[/url]

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Dumb article. Who the heck knows if it's over? Those stats mean zilch, as RGIII has physical gifts that vastly exceed those of anyone on the list (whether he is able to exploit them may be another story). Just a writer looking for an attention-grabbing story.

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This is how all his pressers should go. Maybe he watched some film of Belichick's press conferences the past couple days.


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^ I see Reid is already spinning this into a negative.

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They were ripping him and the PR dept on sirius NFL. Said he sounded like a jerk, and thought the PR dept put him in a bad spot. They did mention how BB gets away with it.

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analyze what RG3 and the team do on the field.

this over-analysis of every single sentence and word is pointless.

RG3 didnt say anything entirely bad or wrong.

Gruden should have never been so specific in his post-game presser talking about how RG3 took a 3 step drop when he should have taken 1 etc. i know he was super pissed RG3 shit the bed and made calling any plays useless .. but your an NFL head coach.

Gruden should have just said "we have a lot of work to do from the top down". period. stfu after that.

gruden cant let his dislike of RG3 be so public.

** i really like gruden so far. seems like he is calling plays and getting guys open. if i had to choose, it would be gruden over RG3 every single time.

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[quote=punch it in;1094866]Exactly. If anybody thinks he deletes his twitter account that his play will improve they don't understand social media or football. If he was winning we would all be following him. Lol.[/quote]

It's more about correlation than cause and effect.

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[QUOTE=Coff;1094920]It's more about correlation than cause and effect.[/QUOTE]


Thats what I was getting at. There is a correlation between drug abuse and crime. There is not, imo, a correlation between tweets and struggling in game.

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I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?
Then as a good solider he did as told and publicly backed RGIII as his starter without revealing this unfortunate situation.
I think this is the reason why Gruden said what he said in the presser.
Gruden does not dislike RGIII as just stated, he wants to win now. I think Gruden is frustrated and pissed that he was forced to start RGIII and the outcome has resulted in two loses in game that SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy wins against two mediocre teams, with RGIII playing like shit.
Gruden just like some of the players are playing for their jobs/lives. If this level of play we saw out of RGIII in the TB game continues, many of more of these people will be without a job in a few months. So naturally this is a big deal. Right?
In that context, and only in that context I have no problem hearing the TRUTH in a press conference.

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[quote=Defensewins;1094961][B]I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game[/B]. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?
Then as a good solider he did as told and publicly backed RGIII as his starter without revealing this unfortunate situation.
I think this is the reason why Gruden said what he said in the presser.
Gruden does not dislike RGIII as just stated, he wants to win now. I think Gruden is frustrated and pissed that he was forced to start RGIII and the outcome has resulted in two loses in game that SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy wins against two mediocre teams, with RGIII playing like shit.
Gruden just like some of the players are playing for their jobs/lives. If this level of play we saw out of RGIII in the TB game continues, many of more of these people will be without a job in a few months. So naturally this is a big deal. Right?
In that context, and only in that context I have no problem hearing the TRUTH in a press conference.[/quote]

Do you have any basis for this belief? If you do, I would be grateful to hear it. And I am not saying that it isn't possible (it may well be), but there's so much floating around that simply isn't substantiated. This seems more like belief than an assertion of "TRUTH," as you say.

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[quote=Defensewins;1094961]I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?
Then as a good solider he did as told and publicly backed RGIII as his starter without revealing this unfortunate situation.
I think this is the reason why Gruden said what he said in the presser.
Gruden does not dislike RGIII as just stated, he wants to win now. [B]I think Gruden is frustrated and pissed that he was forced to start RGIII and the outcome has resulted in two loses in game that SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy wins against two mediocre teams, with RGIII playing like shit.[/B]
Gruden just like some of the players are playing for their jobs/lives. If this level of play we saw out of RGIII in the TB game continues, many of more of these people will be without a job in a few months. So naturally this is a big deal. Right?
In that context, and only in that context I have no problem hearing the TRUTH in a press conference.[/quote]

Here is part of the problem. We scored 26 against Minny, including an 80 yard 4th quarter drive when Minny had driven for a TD themselves. Only to let Minny do a second length of the field drive in the 4th quarter to beat us. The defense gave up 15 in the 4th quarter, they straight up crapped the bed as bad as RG3 did against Tampa Bay.

We win that game pretty easily if a crappy offense led by a rookie QB missing their best player doesnt score 15 points in the 4th quarter with not 1, but 2 70+ yard 4th quarter drives.

For as much as people keep referencing what Cooley said about RG3 this week. In that same article Cooley says he thinks RG3 played pretty well against Minny. He certainly wasnt the reason we lost.

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I wonder how many John Becks we have to go through to get a franchise QB? I don't think Gruden will find that QB before he is gone.

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[quote=Defensewins;1094961]I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?
Then as a good solider he did as told and publicly backed RGIII as his starter without revealing this unfortunate situation.
I think this is the reason why Gruden said what he said in the presser.
Gruden does not dislike RGIII as just stated, he wants to win now. I think Gruden is frustrated and pissed that he was forced to start RGIII and the outcome has resulted in two loses in game that SHOULD HAVE BEEN easy wins against two mediocre teams, with RGIII playing like shit.
Gruden just like some of the players are playing for their jobs/lives. If this level of play we saw out of RGIII in the TB game continues, many of more of these people will be without a job in a few months. So naturally this is a big deal. Right?
In that context, and only in that context I have no problem hearing the TRUTH in a press conference.[/quote]

Much of this is quite accurate. I would add he was forced to start Griff before Texans game

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[quote=Defensewins;1094961]I think Gruden was ordered to start RGIII for the Minnesota game. I think Gruden wanted McCoy to continue as HIS starter and was forced behind closed doors to change to RGIII. Does this dysfunction sound familiar?[/quote]

What you describe is not dysfunctional. It is standard management practice in countless businesses. Gruden has bosses and he is obligated implement the instructions of those bosses.

What we have here is Round 105 of discussing what we think the management structure of the Redskins ought to be. If we have a HC who has complete authority (Shanahan) then we argue that there ought to be a GM over him. If we have a HC reporting to a GM (Gruden) then we argue that the GM shouldn't tell the HC what to do.