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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1098856]Brian Billick[/quote]

MMM!!! I forgot that one!

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Pete Caroll 2.0 has worked out well...Im thinking Nick Saban 2.0 might have what it takes

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[quote=SmootSmack;1098848]I'm surprised Wade Phillips doesn't get more consideration for HC

I think I'd love Rex Ryan here

There are two names I know are at the top of a potential wish list. Won't name them now. One might really piss you off[/quote]Really wish we had Wade instead of Haslett. That guy has had success with the 3-4.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098853]Colt tossing teammates under the bus? Where's the outrage?

[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/12/09/mccoy-our-protection-failed-a-lot/]McCoy: ‘Our protection failed a lot’ | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]

We're all too weary of this endless soap opera to be outraged anymore.

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Colt's demeanor overall these past few months vs. RG3's has been quite different. Also, Gruden did say he was going to make a better effort at least to single people out. And the expectation, whether he likes it or not, is just higher for RG3

As for Fassel. Man, wouldn't that be something. Third time's the charm? Not a name I've heard

I don't see Billick being a HC again

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Josh McDaniel will be available for HC and GM. We could bring him in to get a qb and win the division. He has a track record.

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In my opinion it doesn't matter what head coach we bring in if Bruce Allen and his scouting department is still in place. Whoever would come would be destined to fail.

If you ask me, they should either give Gruden one more year to try to get some of his guys on the roster and a new Defensive Coordinator or simply start fresh by firing Allen, all of the coaches, and the scouting department.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1098863]Josh McDaniel will be available for HC and GM. We could bring him in to get a qb and win the division. He has a track record.[/quote]

RGIII would be his Tebow, no need to give up the farm for a QB. I would be ok with McDaniel, may be better on his second chance, smart offensive mind.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1098866]RGIII would be his Tebow, no need to give up the farm for a QB. I would be ok with McDaniel, may be better on his second chance, smart offensive mind.[/quote]

If McDaniel had RGIII they might have actually gone further in the playoffs that year...the difference between Tebow and Robert is Robert not only can extend the play but he doesn't throw the ball like a baseball.

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[quote=The Dull Roar;1098865]In my opinion it doesn't matter what head coach we bring in if Bruce Allen and his scouting department is still in place. Whoever would come would be destined to fail.

If you ask me, they should either give Gruden one more year to try to get some of his guys on the roster and a new Defensive Coordinator or simply start fresh by firing Allen, all of the coaches, and the scouting department.[/quote]

Gruden is going to get another year, and there will likely be many FO changes

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Gruden deserves one more year but if he is gone I hope we try and get a young hungry guy again like josh Mcd.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098853]Colt tossing teammates under the bus? Where's the outrage?

[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/12/09/mccoy-our-protection-failed-a-lot/]McCoy: ‘Our protection failed a lot’ | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]

There will be none..because he's not RGIII plain and simple.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1098869]Gruden is going to get another year, and there [B]will likely be many FO change[/B]s[/quote]
I think I'm happy.....

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I suspect that only a coach with many years of experience at the HC level could possibly succeed as the HC in Dan Snyder's organization.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1098839]After the Fisher/Williams/Schottenheimer troll on Sunday, the last person Snyder wants is Williams. I'm sure Danny didn't like being made look like a fool.[/quote]

???

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[quote=SmootSmack;1098848]I'm surprised Wade Phillips doesn't get more consideration for HC

I think I'd love Rex Ryan here

There are two names I know are at the top of a potential wish list. Won't name them now. One might really piss you off[/quote]

Piss who off??

Didn't Rex say he was taking a break from football?

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[quote=Mattyk;1098853]Colt tossing teammates under the bus? Where's the outrage?

[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/12/09/mccoy-our-protection-failed-a-lot/]McCoy: ‘Our protection failed a lot’ | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]

Colts an entitled brat. So over him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1098848]I'm surprised Wade Phillips doesn't get more consideration for HC

I think I'd love Rex Ryan here

There are two names I know are at the top of a potential wish list. Won't name them now. [B]One might really piss you off[/B][/quote]

Zorn 2.0

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Hey boys....glad to be back with the....Maroon and Gold

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1098863]Josh McDaniel will be available for HC and GM. We could bring him in to get a qb and win the division. He has a track record.[/quote]

You mean the same Josh McDaniel that was given the keys to the Ferrari in Denver and proceeded to crash it into a tree?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1098879]Zorn 2.0[/quote]Norv 2.0. Plausible?

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[quote=Rotten1980;1098875]???[/quote]

The rams players at the coin toss.

Fisher getting even for the Shanahan firing (his buddy)

Shottenheimer for his daddies firing

Williams for being passed as a HC

All pissed at Snyder for similar reasons.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098853]Colt tossing teammates under the bus? Where's the outrage?

[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/12/09/mccoy-our-protection-failed-a-lot/]McCoy: ‘Our protection failed a lot’ | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]

IMO It's not the same.

When RGIII says that problems are on him and on the protection, you can tell that he really is blaming the protection alone.

Maybe he's a fake, but when McCoy says the same thing, he is quite believable in the self-blame part, unlike Griffin. So he's just telling it like it is rather than throwing others under the bus.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098853]Colt tossing teammates under the bus? Where's the outrage?

[url=http://realredskins.com/2014/12/09/mccoy-our-protection-failed-a-lot/]McCoy: ‘Our protection failed a lot’ | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url][/quote]

I think mentioning a breakdown in coverage is a nothing like comparing yourself to Manning and saying he need players to play better around him.

Lets not compare apples and oranges

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[quote=Bucket;1098888]I think mentioning a breakdown in coverage is a nothing like comparing yourself to Manning and saying he need players to play better around him.

Lets not compare apples and oranges[/quote]

I'm sure RG3 would have gotten criticized if he had said the same thing that McCoy said.

Yet what's lost in all of this is the fact that our o-line sucks and the team has missed on it big time.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1098882]You mean the same Josh McDaniel that was given the keys to the Ferrari in Denver and proceeded to crash it into a tree?[/quote]

He was so bad the Patriots snatched him back up in a hurry.

At the beginning of the year the media was questioning whether or not this was the end for Brady and what a mess their O line was.

McDaniel had a hand in turning it around and getting some guys that are far from top tier into playing like a solid unit on their O line.

I concede, it's always good to have a hall of famer taking the snaps.

I think I did add one too many acronyms in my post. It is much better with "GM" left out.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1098893]He was so bad the Patriots snatched him back up in a hurry.

At the beginning of the year the media was questioning whether or not this was the end for Brady and what a mess their O line was.

McDaniel had a hand in turning it around and getting some guys that are far from top tier into playing like a solid unit on their O line.

I concede, it's always good to have a hall of famer taking the snaps.

I think I did add one too many acronyms in my post. It is much better with "GM" left out.[/quote]

Well I'm sure he's a good coordinator, but he sucked as a HC.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1098456]Dallas is winning because of romo Dez and Murray not because of their defense. It's still ranked like 23 or something. Skins need a complete rebuild. What's the worst that's gonna happen?? We already suck ass anyway so it doesn't matter.[/quote]

Dallas is winning because of their offensive line - period. Alfred Morris would probably be approaching a 1500 yard season behind that line with the offensive weapons we have.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1098895]Dallas is winning because of their offensive line - period. Alfred Morris would probably be approaching a 1500 yard season behind that line with the offensive weapons we have.[/quote]

Here's Dallas' investment on their o-line:

Tyron Smith LT; 2011 1st round pick (#9)
Ronald Leary LG; 2012 Undrafted FA
Travis Frederick C; 2013 1st round pick (#31)
Zack Martin* RG; 2014 1st round pick (#16)
Doug Free RT; 2007 4th round pick (#122)

*Jerry Jones wanted to draft Manziel, instead his people convinced him not to and they drafted Martin instead.

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I wish Todd Bowles had not signed that big extension with the Cards. But I don't know if he would take this job.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1098897]Here's Dallas' investment on their o-line:

Tyron Smith LT; 2011 1st round pick (#9)
Ronald Leary LG; 2012 Undrafted FA
Travis Frederick C; 2013 1st round pick (#31)
Zack Martin* RG; 2014 1st round pick (#16)
Doug Free RT; 2007 4th round pick (#122)

*Jerry Jones wanted to draft Manziel, instead his people convinced him not to and they drafted Martin instead.[/quote]

Dan Snyder would have ignored his people and drafted Manzel.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1098874]I suspect that only a coach with many years of experience at the HC level could possibly succeed as the HC in Dan Snyder's organization.[/quote]

You mean someone like Mike Shannahan?

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[quote=irish;1098905]You mean someone like Mike Shannahan?[/quote]

Yes, I do; but not Mike Shannahan. I mean someone who has enough experience as an NFL HC to manage the people above him as well as those under him but someone who just wants to coach football and who can work with a competent GM and professional personnel people. Needless to say, there would need to be changes in the FO, as well.

That someone would have been around long enough to be able to assemble one of the best coaching staffs in the league to help him get the job done. Also, he doesn't need to be HC for more than 5 years before he turns the team over to an outstanding young coach who he has groomed for the job, so his age is not important.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1098869]Gruden is going to get another year, and there will likely be many FO changes[/quote]

If there are going to be many FO changes, wouldn't now be a good time to start making them? The new folks need to be in place ASAP to get ready for FA and the draft.

The season is lost so the Redskins wouldn't be upsetting the apple cart by starting now.

Of course, I could be wrong about the timing because the NFL has more rules than the Federal Government.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1098922]Yes, I do; but not Mike Shannahan. I mean someone who has enough experience as an NFL HC to manage the people above him as well as those under him but someone who just wants to coach football and who can work with a competent GM and professional personnel people. Needless to say, there would need to be changes in the FO, as well.

That someone would have been around long enough to be able to assemble one of the best coaching staffs in the league to help him get the job done. Also, he doesn't need to be HC for more than 5 years before he turns the team over to an outstanding young coach who he has groomed for the job, so his age is not important.[/quote]

MS started his coaching career in 1975 as a college assistant. He worked his way up the ranks and had 13 years of head coaching experience with Denver. I think he showed he was able to work with a competent GM and professional people. Unfortunately he didnt have those people to work with in Washington. We wont even get into him grooming Kyle to take over for him like you want because for some reason people held that against him.

I doubt you can find someone with more experience and better meets your criteria than that.

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[quote=irish;1098924]MS started his coaching career in 1975 as a college assistant. He worked his way up the ranks and had 13 years of head coaching experience with Denver. I think he showed he was able to work with a competent GM and professional people. Unfortunately he didnt have those people to work with in Washington. We wont even get into him grooming Kyle to take over for him like you want because for some reason people held that against him.

I doubt you can find someone with more experience and better meets your criteria than that.[/quote]

So, is it hopeless, then?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1098926]So, is it hopeless, then?[/quote]

Its never hopeless but this organization doesn't have the ownership to allow the organization as a whole to succeed.

I'm amazed that the owner still cant understand what winning organizations and start doing that himself. All I can believe is that this organization is more interested in having alumni days, food drives, and merchandise sales than winning football because that's what I see when I look at it.

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it,s true are quarterback sitution is a mess and we need to find out if RG111 is the answer or not ,but we also need despartely a o-line like a RT,RG,and a C, could be the worst in the league ,allen better wake up and fix it or get rid of him to,if we do that and RG111 stinks still then get rid of him but i don,t think you can when you are running for your life on every play.....

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IMO the follow staff changes should occur...

HC- Retained
OC- Retained
DC- Fired
STC- Retained

QB Coach- Hired
OLB Coach- New DC's Choice
ASTC- Retained
DLC- New DC's Choice
OLC- Fired
AOLC - Fired
WRC- Retained
RBC- Retained
DBC- Fired
TEC Retained

I would seek to hire Wade Phillips, Kirby Smart, or Jerry Gray.

AJ Smith name VP-GM hires recruiting staff. Bruce Allen Retains president position.

I believe RG3 deserves another shot here. It takes really 2 years to recover from a knee injury and he has all the tools, just needs to be coached up, confidence rebuilt.

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