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[quote=skinsfaninok;1102392]The first 4 years I was on dans jock. Now I hate the dude[/quote]Yeah. 1999 was awesome. 2000 was such a big disappointment. Since then, only Gibbs 2.0 and 2012 have been any good.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1102384]All the shitty teams are firing people but our sorry asses. A fucking shame. This should have already been line up on a card like on draft day.

Jim Haslett- pink slip
Raheem Morris - pink slip
Chris Foester- pink slip
Scott Campbell- pink slip
[B]Bruce Allen- you can stay but no more GM duties or football related decisions[/B][/quote]

People keep talking about that option but it is completely untenable. Bruce is just going to renounce being the grand poobah of personnel to worry about things like parking spaces alone?

Name one other person in NFL history (who wasn't angling for retirement) who had control over personnel and then voluntarily stepped back to worry only about printing tickets and things like that.

We're all in on Bruce. Either he is our personnel leader or he is no longer at Redskins Park. There is no middle ground.

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[quote=Lotus;1102395]People keep talking about that option but it is completely untenable. Bruce is just going to renounce being the grand poobah of personnel to worry about things like parking spaces alone?

Name one other person in NFL history (who wasn't angling for retirement) who had control over personnel and then voluntarily stepped back to worry only about printing tickets and things like that.

We're all in on Bruce. Either he is our personnel leader or he is no longer at Redskins Park. There is no middle ground.[/quote]It was said that when Bruce came, he would be the numbers guy, Shanny would run the other football stuff. Let's go back to that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1102387]It's because we don't know wtf we r doing as an organization bro. I'm starting to think if Haslett stays past this week he'll be on the staff[/quote]

If you saw the post I made on the "everything Gruden thread", you'll see it's a huge possibility of that happening.


[quote=Lotus;1102395]People keep talking about that option but it is completely untenable. Bruce is just going to renounce being the grand poobah of personnel to worry about things like parking spaces alone?

Name one other person in NFL history (who wasn't angling for retirement) who had control over personnel and then voluntarily stepped back to worry only about printing tickets and things like that.

We're all in on Bruce. Either he is our personnel leader or he is no longer at Redskins Park. There is no middle ground.[/quote]



I didn't say Bruce had to relinquish the duties himself. Dan can pull those duties away, but if Bruce's presence is a problem for the next GM, I say get rid of Bruce's ass too.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1102398]If you saw the post I made on the "everything Gruden thread", you'll see it's a huge possibility of that happening.






I didn't say Bruce had to relinquish the duties himself. Dan can pull those duties away, but [B]if Bruce's presence is a problem for the next GM, I say get rid of Bruce's ass too.[/B][/quote]

That's it. It inevitably WILL be a problem.

Analogy: you can't demote a McDonald's manager to making french fries alone. First, the demoted manager who has self-respect will not tolerate it. Second, even if they tried, the simultaneous presence of the current manager and the former manager would make for factionalism, bad blood, and dysfunction.

Either Bruce is our personnel leader or he is out the door, there is no middle ground.

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If Haslett is retained fans should boycott and protest at games, maybe Dan will hear it then.

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Is this really happening?? I can't believe retaining Hascrap is a possibility..


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[quote=skinsfaninok;1102389]The Washington Redskins season record under Owner Daniel Snyder
1. 1999 Season 10-6
2. 2000 Season 8-8
3. 2001 Season 8-8
4. 2002 Season 7-9
5. 2003 Season 5-11
6. 2004 Season 6-10
7. 2005 Season 10-6
8. 2006 Season 5-11
9. 2007 Season 9-7
10. 2008 Season 8-8
11. 2009 Season 4-12
12. 2010 Season 6-10
13. 2011 Season 5-11
14. 2012 Season 10-6
15. 2013 Season 3-13
16. 2014 Season 4-12
Here is Daniel Snyder's win loss record as owner
Win Loss
108 148[/quote]

Snyder should not get credit for 99. That was 100% Casserly's team. Snyder didn't take over until that summer when the team was already put together.

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Oh look, Haslett's gone ;)

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CSN Bay Area reports the 49ers spoke with ex-Redskins coach Mike Shanahan on Tuesday.

Shanahan didn't have a formal interview, and it's unclear what the discussion was about, but we assume it's in regards to the team's head-coaching vacancy. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported on Tuesday that Mike's son, Browns OC Kyle Shanahan, is also on the 49ers' list. Shanahan took the 2014 season off after compiling a 24-40 record in four seasons with the Redskins from 2010-2013. He coached in San Francisco from 1992-1994 as the 49ers' offensive coordinator

per rotoworld

rooting against this guy

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I can see mike going to SF but that would not be good for kaepernick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102487]CSN Bay Area reports the 49ers spoke with ex-Redskins coach Mike Shanahan on Tuesday.

Shanahan didn't have a formal interview, and it's unclear what the discussion was about, but we assume it's in regards to the team's head-coaching vacancy. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported on Tuesday that Mike's son, Browns OC Kyle Shanahan, is also on the 49ers' list. Shanahan took the 2014 season off after compiling a 24-40 record in four seasons with the Redskins from 2010-2013. He coached in San Francisco from 1992-1994 as the 49ers' offensive coordinator

per rotoworld

rooting against this guy[/quote]

After the way he treated us, I hope he never gets a job again.

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Oh god, that Bruce presser.

He instills ZERO confidence in anything Redskins related. The guy looks like he's in over his head with limited understanding on what his job as Pres/GM really is.

The guy's just so old school and conservative. Makes me disgusted that this is the guy who's being every decision our franchise makes. Blah

EDIT: He's lucky as hell that his last name is Allen.

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Bruce just comes off as a nice guy that is trying to figure it all out but he's 26-58 as a GM.... not good

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I wanted Haz to go, but I would rather have him than Robert. I cant move forward as a fan until RG3 is gone.

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In case anybody missed the presser by Bruce.



[YT]aFEvWM47GK4[/YT]

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[quote=Monksdown;1102498]I wanted Haz to go, but I would rather have him than Robert. I cant move forward as a fan until RG3 is gone.[/quote]
IMO this is rather naive of you.

There's no secret or surprise as to why RG3 is where he is today. He did nothing along the way to be treated as the end all be all to our off season success.

He's not good anymore, I agree, but why the hell would the Redskins show a lack of patience and act ruthlessly with Robert? We suck, we have time and there's no clear cut alternative.

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Twitter is a riot right now. Some good laughs at the expense of Bruce.

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[quote=IrMitchell;1102502]IMO this is rather naive of you.

There's no secret or surprise as to why RG3 is where he is today. He did nothing along the way to be treated as the end all be all to our off season success.

He's not good anymore, I agree, but why the hell would the Redskins show a lack of patience and act ruthlessly with Robert? We suck, we have time and there's no clear cut alternative.[/quote]

I don't consider it ruthless. We need a responsible decision maker in the pocket while we build up our offensive line. Then in a deeper qb draft in a year or two we make a move. Robert is a distraction, a poor decision maker, and a constant reminder of how not to draft.

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[quote=Monksdown;1102507]I don't consider it ruthless. We need a responsible decision maker in the pocket while we build up our offensive line. Then in a deeper qb draft in a year or two we make a move. Robert is a distraction, a poor decision maker, and a constant reminder of how not to draft.[/quote]
I don't think Robert is an example of poor drafting. He broke the mold as a QB, we lived and died with his health and in the end nobody learned anything because Mariota will go #1 this year.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I don't want my team cutting ties with a guy that has a probowl, playoff appearance to his name at 24. Injuries are real. He's an option if nothing else.

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[quote=IrMitchell;1102508]I don't think Robert is an example of poor drafting. He broke the mold as a QB, we lived and died with his health and in the end nobody learned anything because Mariota will go #1 this year.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I don't want my team cutting ties with a guy that has a probowl, playoff appearance to his name at 24. Injuries are real. He's an option if nothing else.[/quote]

Yes, agree to disagree. We could be at this awhile.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1102505]Twitter is a riot right now. Some good laughs at the expense of Bruce.[/QUOTE]


Not sure what anyone was expecting really.

Went pretty much as I thought it would, he's a master of saying nothing.

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[quote=Mattyk;1102511]Not sure what anyone was expecting really.

Went pretty much as I thought it would, he's a master of saying nothing.[/quote]
Not only is he a master of saying nothing, he's seemingly the master of knowing nothing.

It doesn't even seem like he's tight lipped and nervously trying to say the right things. He comes across as incredibly stupid and unintelligent.

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Anyone have a video link of the presser? The Skins pulled the one off Youtube. I got to know how HarvestFest is going.

Edit: Nevermind seems to be working now.

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[quote=Hijinx;1102514]Anyone have a video link of the presser? The Skins pulled the one off Youtube. I got to know how HarvestFest is going.[/quote]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFEvWM47GK4[/url]

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Allen's presser reminded me of this.

[IMG]http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lutpn4sh1D1r4gei2o1_400.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=IrMitchell;1102502]IMO this is rather naive of you.

There's no secret or surprise as to why RG3 is where he is today. He did nothing along the way to be treated as the end all be all to our off season success.

He's not good anymore, I agree, but why the hell would the Redskins show a lack of patience and act ruthlessly with Robert? We suck, we have time and there's no clear cut alternative.[/quote]

Exactly! There are no better QB options for next year might as well try to make something out of RG3, Kirk, and some other option. Sorry I think Colt sucks.

QB is not our biggest issue right now.

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In his presser Bruce Allen came off as a guy who sucks at his job yet hangs on. Surprise surprise.

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[quote=Chico23231;1102487]CSN Bay Area reports the 49ers spoke with ex-Redskins coach Mike Shanahan on Tuesday.

Shanahan didn't have a formal interview, and it's unclear what the discussion was about, but we assume it's in regards to the team's head-coaching vacancy. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported on Tuesday that Mike's son, Browns OC Kyle Shanahan, is also on the 49ers' list. Shanahan took the 2014 season off after compiling a 24-40 record in four seasons with the Redskins from 2010-2013. He coached in San Francisco from 1992-1994 as the 49ers' offensive coordinator

per rotoworld

rooting against this guy[/quote]

Not going to happen. Their offensive line across the board is too big and strong and effective to run his offense.

He will have to rebuild/dismantle their line before he starts.

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[quote=IrMitchell;1102508]I don't think Robert is an example of poor drafting. He broke the mold as a QB, we lived and died with his health and in the end nobody learned anything because Mariota will go #1 this year.

I guess we can agree to disagree, but I don't want my team cutting ties with a guy that has a probowl, playoff appearance to his name at 24. Injuries are real. He's an option if nothing else.[/quote]

He made the probowl and the playoffs as a running QB. He and RGII decided he was no longer a running QB.

He reinforced that decision almost every time he ran read option this year by handing the ball off despite plenty of wide open space to pick up 8-10 sometimes more untouched yards.

His accomplishments are a non factor because he no longer plays the same way he did in 2012.

What has he done since his conversion to a pocket passer?

It's easier to recognize what he hasn't done. He targeted one pass against Dallas greater than 10 yards through the air. That is a single pass attempted greater than 10 yards. With one of the biggest deep threats in the league on our team it's a 50/50 shot DJax comes down with it if he just throws it out in front of him.

He is about as effective as Peyton Manning would be if Manning and his dad, Archie decided he was no longer going to pass from the pocket and he was going to be an option QB.

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So Bruce getting good reviews for his presser: face-palm

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/31/so-that-bruce-allen-press-conference-went-well/]So that Bruce Allen press conference went well - The Washington Post[/url]

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"We are winning off the field" lmao ok

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1102548]"We are winning off the field" lmao ok[/quote]

Probably the worse thing he could possibly say. Just makes no sense and a quote which could become a troll anthem. Just dumb thing to say.

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Sounds like they just care about profit and not winning.

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the only thing that matters is winning on the field...come on Bruce

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Maybe Bruce is gone and Danny sent him out there one last time as a punishment. Who knows.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/12/30/redskins-have-spent-21-years-in-the-wilderness/]Redskins have spent 21 years in the wilderness - The Washington Post[/url]

Read this article today in the Washington post. It points out a lot of truly sad facts about how this organization has been at the bottom of the NFC since the 1993-1994 season.

NFC teams have won at least 11 games 69 times... Washington is the only team to have never done that at least once.

There have been 42 teams that played in the NFC Championship game. Washington and Detroit are the only two teams during that time span that have not made it to the NFC Championship Game.

In the past 7 years, 14 of the 16 NFC teams have had at least two winning seasons. Washington and st. Louis are the two teams withoUT the two winning seasons.

Glad to be at the bottom of the NFC the past 15ish years.

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Damn that's sad what's funny is I was looking at the pats record over the last 15 years and it's the complete opposite. Must be nice to root for a winner. The redskins used to be a top 10 franchise historically and now we r not anymore. I hate this bullshit

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The most amazing thing about ho bad the Skins have been over the last 2 decades is that it is still the NFL's most profitable team. According to Forbes the Skins made 50% more profit than the #2 Dallas. It has to be the only business in the world, that delivers a crappy product and pisses off their customers and still rakes in the cash.

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Allen sounded terrible today. Just a bunch of BS babble.