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[quote=Ruhskins;1105615]I guess it wasn't meant to be. I guess people forget it takes both sides to have an interest for someone to get hired.

Dianna Marie Russini ‏@NBCdianna 15m15 minutes ago
Tells you lots "@AaronLemingNFL: the #Redskins planned on making Fangio highest paid DC in the league. See if that holds true with Bears”[/quote]

i dont think people forget...if anything it reminds people of what a shit organization Dan Snyder has turned this franchise into. Money wont even bring people here anymore. Its called being a toxic organization

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Say goodbye to defensive free agents like RAK....
Good luck to the skins attracting any defensive free agents!

Making a bad coach has a domino effect with our ability to attract talent.
This GUARANTEES we must build with the draft.
Who wants to go to a 4-12 team with a unproven coach..a meddling owner, a good old boy president and the historically worst defensive coordinator of all time?

WOW....wonder if someone has started drinking again?

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Please rank worst Danny front office hires in order: (1 is worst)
Here's mine

1. Vinny
2. Barry
3. Zorn

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[quote=skinsnut;1105619]

Making a bad coach has a domino effect with our ability to attract talent.
This GUARANTEES we must build with the draft.
Who wants to go to a 4-12 team with a unproven coach..a meddling owner, a good old boy president and the historically worst defensive coordinator of all time?
[/quote]


Right. But hiring another "savior" wasn't going to be any better. The talent here is bad. Building through the draft is a good way to build--but it takes time. We are not going to be good for a while. Get used to it. It's false expectations of a quick fix that have led to lots of the trouble here. Barry is someone willing to come. That's about what it should be, in my opinion. Glad Danny's magic check book didn't work. Tired of that.

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[quote=skinsnut;1105620]Please rank worst Danny front office hires in order: (1 is worst)
Here's mine

1. Vinny
2. Barry
3. Zorn[/quote]

Bruce Millen is worse than Vinny. Our on-field record is far worse with Bruce. And Bruce is even more buddy-buddy with Snyder, meaning that Snyder will resist firing him even more. We'll need multiple trucks with signs to get rid of Bruce Millen.

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Well, someone hired McC. It's been, what, 2 weeks? Give it a few more, maybe?

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[quote=JWsleep;1105613]Or shit talent. You can't coach what's not there. Jay is certainly on the hot seat, but we're at the beginning of a long rebuilding process. Why sign on here now? Good DCs are in demand.[/quote]

I agree, Fangio made the smart choice for his career in going to Chicago.

Meanwhile, Washington was Barry's only defensive coordinator option so of course he jumped at the chance.

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[quote=JWsleep;1105621]Right. But hiring another "savior" wasn't going to be any better. The talent here is bad. Building through the draft is a good way to build--but it takes time. We are not going to be good for a while. Get used to it. It's false expectations of a quick fix that have led to lots of the trouble here. Barry is someone willing to come. That's about what it should be, in my opinion. Glad Danny's magic check book didn't work. Tired of that.[/quote]

Seriously?
Are you saying you are glad we didn't get a DC with a proven track record to help us rebuild our talent?
Fangio is no savior...he was ok outside of the 49ers.
No one expected a quick fix.
But when you fire a guy that has 10x more experience and puts together 20th ranked defenses...you don't replace him with a guy who is leading the defense of the laughing stock of 100 years of NFL history....just because he knows the guys and has "energy".

It's not like there aren't guys with better track records out there.
I frankly would have preferred they kept Has-been.
At least then the defensive players aren't dreading that is could get even worst. Hope is a great motivator...anybody but Barry would have created that.

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Danny's checkbook couldn't save us this time. I think Gruden wanted his buddy Barry all along and Allen was down for whatever but the buzz got back to the front office somehow that fans were outraged hearing Barry all ready being selected with much better candidates out there. Dan looking at this from a business perspective sees decreased revenue next year and steps in tells these clowns they better interview the best qualified and he has no problem paying top dollar.

These d coordinators never wanted to coach here even though they agreed to the interview. Just using the skins as leverage to drive up the price for the gig they really wanted (Fangio-Bears). A proven D coordnator like Fangio or Phillips doesn't want to coach for an organization with currently no vision, work with Jay Gruden who's way in over his head and will most likely get canned next season, take over a defense with no play makers except Kerrigan, aging injury prone vets (Hall, Orakpo, Cofield, Hatcher, Clark, Porter), and has one of the worst secondaries in the league talent wise. Oh, and the never ending media drama of RG3 I'm sure was a selling point.

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[quote=SirLK26;1105624]I agree, Fangio made the smart choice for his career in going to Chicago.

Meanwhile, Washington was Barry's only defensive coordinator option so of course he jumped at the chance.[/quote]

I'm suprised he didn't wait/check out NFC West teams like the Cards/Seattle with solid talent to take it to the 9ers

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[quote=VirgilTibbs;1105627]Danny's checkbook couldn't save us this time. I think Gruden wanted his buddy Barry all along and Allen was down for whatever but the buzz got back to the front office somehow that fans were outraged hearing Barry all ready being selected with much better candidates out there. Dan looking at this from a business perspective sees decreased revenue next year and steps in tells these clowns they better interview the best qualified and he has no problem paying top dollar.

These d coordinators never wanted to coach here even though they agreed to the interview. Just using the skins as leverage to drive up the price for the gig they really wanted (Fangio-Bears). A proven D coordnator like Fangio or Phillips doesn't want to coach for an organization with currently no vision, work with Jay Gruden who's way in over his head and will most likely get canned next season, take over a defense with no play makers except Kerrigan, aging injury prone vets (Hall, Orakpo, Cofield, Hatcher, Clark, Porter), and has one of the worst secondaries in the league talent wise. Oh, and the never ending media drama of RG3 I'm sure was a selling point.[/quote]

You nailed it Jack!!

This hire all but guarantees a total coaching staff purge next year...unless they somehow hit 8-8.

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Ho de ho ho....the guy hasnt even coached a snap yet and some of you are acting like you know hes worse than Haslett.
Take a Midol for fucks sake.

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I'm giving Joe Berry a chance because he had no talent to work with in Detroit Matt Millen gave him nothing to work with, even Buddy Ryan and Richie Petitbone 2 of the best DCs ever would have failed with that defense. Joe Berry now has Scot McCloughan picking the players for him that's a big difference.

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Didn't know the Warpath had a lot of people that can predict the future. You guys should play the lottery.

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Wonder if Barry will move us to a base 4-3?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1105606]No matter what has been said, I'm not convinced that Wade genuinely was interested[/quote]
I'm convinced that Barry is not the right guy for this job.

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[quote=Chico23231;1105635]Wonder if Barry will move us to a base 4-3?[/quote]

He might become a favorite to the ol' 4-3 crowd around these parts.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1105630]Ho de ho ho....the guy hasnt even coached a snap yet and some of you are acting like you know hes worse than Haslett.
Take a Midol for fucks sake.[/quote]

Uh, Im not the one dropping f bombs....and yes...he has coached as a defensive coordinator for 2 years and sucked badly....those are the facts.
I am unhappy BECAUSE of his track record...not because he doesn't have one.
If I did...I would call myself an idiot.
So, let's agree to disagree....I say this hire sucks...I give it an F.
It looks like maybe you may give it a B?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1105633]Didn't know the Warpath had a lot of people that can predict the future. You guys should play the lottery.[/quote]

Well, okay, if we're all supposed to be blindly optimistic, ummm... I like his name? Has a nice, good-ole-boy ring to it. Barry. Joe Barry. Kinda rolls off the tongue. Great hire, Jay! :D

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[quote=SirLK26;1105640]Well, okay, if we're all supposed to be blindly optimistic, ummm... I like his name? Has a nice, good-ole-boy ring to it. Barry. Joe Barry. Kinda rolls off the tongue. Great hire, Jay! :D[/quote]

[IMG]http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/074/461/I-SEE-WHAT-YOU-DID-THERE_HOLYSHIT.jpg[/IMG]

LOL.

I'm not blindly optimistic, but I'm not also blindly pessimistic. Each candidate had their pros/cons; and no one (even Fangio) was a sure thing. I've gone through enough years to know that not one single offseason acquisition is going to solve everything.

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[quote=skinsnut;1105619]Say goodbye to defensive free agents like RAK....
Good luck to the skins attracting any defensive free agents!

Making a bad coach has a domino effect with our ability to attract talent.
[B]This GUARANTEES we must build with the draft[/B].
Who wants to go to a 4-12 team with a unproven coach..a meddling owner, a good old boy president and the historically worst defensive coordinator of all time?

WOW....wonder if someone has started drinking again?[/quote]

We should be doing this anyway.

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Keim's take on the hire. As always on point: some things to worry about, some things to have hope.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/14816/redskins-thoughts-joe-barry]Washington Redskins thoughts: New defensive coordinator Joe Barry - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1105643]Keim's take on the hire. As always on point: some things to worry about, some things to have hope.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/14816/redskins-thoughts-joe-barry]Washington Redskins thoughts: New defensive coordinator Joe Barry - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Since you like Keim but don't seem to understand the networking issues that many here have raised, let's let Keim say it:

[quote]It certainly looks like a case of being well-connected, with ties to Bruce Allen, Jay Gruden, Doug Williams and Raheem Morris in Tampa Bay and to A.J. Smith in San Diego. As I always say: Do you trust them to make the right decisions? [B]It's easy to understand if you don't based on recent seasons and track records.[/B][/quote]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1105643]Keim's take on the hire. As always on point: some things to worry about, some things to have hope.

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/14816/redskins-thoughts-joe-barry]Washington Redskins thoughts: New defensive coordinator Joe Barry - ESPN[/url][/quote]

[url=http://www.chargers.com/multimedia/videos/1127-Xs-and-Os---Coach-Barry/c2e486e6-4258-4d88-8e9d-1c59becee089]11/27: X's and O's - Coach Barry[/url]

Pulling the video out of the article...kinda cool video of Barry going over defense.

Like Keim says, we need a major over haul with talent.

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I guess we'll see what happens, could be good or not. hopefully he's better than Has.

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Will he (Barry) call more than 1 defensive play throughout the game? If yes, I'm willing to give him a fair shake before freaking out. I do like that he's a younger guy, that lions team was terrible, no coach was doing anything with that, won't hold it against him. Sucks the draft is all the way in May, I'm ready now.

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[quote=skinsnut;1105639]Uh, Im not the one dropping f bombs....and yes...he has coached as a defensive coordinator for 2 years and sucked badly....those are the facts.
I am unhappy BECAUSE of his track record...not because he doesn't have one.
If I did...I would call myself an idiot.
So, let's agree to disagree....I say this hire sucks...I give it an F.
It looks like maybe you may give it a B?[/quote]

I dont give it anything because we havent played a down yet.

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[quote=Lotus;1105644]Since you like Keim but don't seem to understand the networking issues that many here have raised, let's let Keim say it:[/quote]

I do understand the networking concerns that people are raising here. But some people make such a bad argument about it that they make it seem as though someone hired is automatically bad because they are connected to Allen or Gruden.

I've always been the wait and see type of person. I know Allen/Gruden haven't made the best choices, but hopefully they are turning the corner. Maybe the Callahan and McC hiring are signs that they are doing a better job at finding people they know, who are also well qualified.

At the end of the day, I'm just a fan, I just don't obsesses or pretend to know more than what I know. If I'm so positive things are going to fail, what's the point of being a fan?

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Here's Gruden on the hire: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2015/01/20/jay-gruden-explains-why-he-feels-joe-barry-is-the-best-fit-for-redskins/]Jay Gruden explains why he feels Joe Barry is the ‘best fit’ for Redskins - The Washington Post[/url]

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Another guy from that Tampa Bay coaching staff was Mike Tomlin.

I mean, just b/c they have connections doesn't mean they are bad. To me, Barry was an unknown that didn't seem to have people banging on his door, couple that with his Detroit experience and the ties with BA from Tampa, well it makes me nervous.

To me, the key is can he scheme for what we have and develop players through his position coaches.

As others have said, this is on Jay. I think he gets this year and he probably knows it. If he and Barry don't show improvement on the field, then McC hires a new coach next year (warning: McC's replacement for Mike Nolan was Mike Singletary - not exactly a HOF coaching candidate).

Crossing my fingers, will wait and see, but just not getting my hopes up.

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All in all, so far this off-season:

Scot McCloughan: Major Score.

Bill Callahan: Knocking it out of the park.

Joe Barry: Potentially, anything from a complete whiff to a home run. In light of the candidates available, pretty much a pop-fly.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1105651]Another guy from that Tampa Bay coaching staff was Mike Tomlin.

I mean, just b/c they have connections doesn't mean they are bad. To me, Barry was an unknown that didn't seem to have people banging on his door, couple that with his Detroit experience and the ties with BA from Tampa, well it makes me nervous.

To me, the key is can he scheme for what we have and develop players through his position coaches.

As others have said, this is on Jay. I think he gets this year and he probably knows it. If he and Barry don't show improvement on the field, then McC hires a new coach next year (warning: McC's replacement for Mike Nolan was Mike Singletary - not exactly a HOF coaching candidate).

Crossing my fingers, will wait and see, but just not getting my hopes up.[/quote]

A positive I see in Barry is his track record in San Diego in developing young players, which will be needed here. As you said, we'll see how he schemes and whether he'll have enough talent to make a decent improvement.

I think it is a bit funny that it seems that Fangio would have been a Snyder/Allen hire (from the looks of it); whereas Barry seems more of a Allen/Gruden (I think more Gruden) hire. I know people here were stating that the team needs to let Gruden hire his coaches (McC said the same thing).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1105638]He might become a favorite to the ol' 4-3 crowd around these parts.[/quote]

Gruden says the 3-4 is staying.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1105649]I do understand the networking concerns that people are raising here. But some people make such a bad argument about it that they make it seem as though someone hired is automatically bad because they are connected to Allen or Gruden.

[B]I've always been the wait and see type of person. [/B] I know Allen/Gruden haven't made the best choices, but hopefully they are turning the corner. Maybe the Callahan and McC hiring are signs that they are doing a better job at finding people they know, who are also well qualified.

At the end of the day, I'm just a fan, I just don't obsesses or pretend to know more than what I know. If I'm so positive things are going to fail, what's the point of being a fan?[/quote]

A wait and see person is a good thing to be. So am I.

I have waited and watched Bruce Allen for five years and what I have seen is that the team regularly finishes in last place. Our record is worse than it was under Vinny. FIVE YEARS. And this is not even including his failure in Tampa.

As for being a fan when I know it will go to hell, the whole point of my posts is to get rid of Bruce so we can, hopefully, get back to winning. But a FIVE YEAR track record says we won't win until Bruce is gone.

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Get back to winning lol

:doh:

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Anything but Haslett is better, I think Barry will surprise. I'm Sure he knows how to adjust, that's something Haslett could not do.

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Could we get a poll up, please?

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I wonder if Haslett gets anything beyond a position coach ever again. Heck, he may done entirely.

I will be interested to see how Barry sets up the staff. Again, fair or not, hoping Raheem hits the road.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1105658]Anything but Haslett is better, I think Barry will surprise. I'm Sure he knows how to adjust, that's something Haslett could not do.[/quote]

It's funny, because that's what so many Redskins fans tend to think about whatever position the Skins are trying to change. Except, as it so often turns out, it can get worse. The Redksins won four games this year with Haslett. Can it get worse than that? Yeah, it can get four games worse. Just ask Joe Barry.

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This defense is still going to struggle next year, regardless of who coaches it.