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[quote=Schneed10;1170745]Then what of Corey Peters.[/quote]

Are his responsibilities the same as a NT in our 3-4?

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1170746]Are his responsibilities the same as a NT in our 3-4?[/quote]

Yes. They run a one-gapping 3-4.

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Putz.....
Cool word.....
Attention getting but not over inflammatory.
Higher than average chance the convo will continue without rage quitting.

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[quote=Schneed10;1170747]Yes. They run a one-gapping 3-4.[/quote]

What about him? He is good at the position despite not having the prototypical size?

Let's get him then.

Most of the people who effectively play NT are bigger than the average 3-4 DE, he is not. I think ability trumps dimensions.

The back and forth has been how much of a premium to put on NT in a 3-4. We have been plugging spare parts in and then saying that it doesn't matter because they play that position so few snaps.

Ziggy Hood, a journeyman has been our best NT in the past 3 years and he doesn't have prototypical size either.

I believe if the team is going to stay with a 3-4 and commit to putting a personnel package on the field for 20-25% of the game, then the guy in the middle, anchoring the defense, is worth more investment than the team has so far. That's all.

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Just hope that this new look defense can help the team. Defense wins you the game and possibly championship.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1170749]What about him? He is good at the position despite not having the prototypical size?

Let's get him then.

Most of the people who effectively play NT are bigger than the average 3-4 DE, he is not. I think ability trumps dimensions.

The back and forth has been how much of a premium to put on NT in a 3-4. We have been plugging spare parts in and then saying that it doesn't matter because they play that position so few snaps.

Ziggy Hood, a journeyman has been our best NT in the past 3 years and he doesn't have prototypical size either.

I believe if the team is going to stay with a 3-4 and commit to putting a personnel package on the field for 20-25% of the game, then the guy in the middle, anchoring the defense, is worth more investment than the team has so far. That's all.[/quote]

I think you just want disruptive players at any spot, I don't see anything particularly special or different about NT. We got a guy on the DL in Allen who could turn into a guy like Calais Campbell or some semblance of Watt. Those are the standard-setting 3-4 defenses (Texans and Cards), and my point was that you can win with or without a traditional NT, as long as you're disruptive from the edge and from somewhere in the interior.

Top two picks this year went to the line and the edge. That's what they're doing, trying to get disruptive players wherever they can.

I don't get the obsession with this one position.

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[quote=Schneed10;1170751]I think you just want disruptive players at any spot, I don't see anything particularly special or different about NT. We got a guy on the DL in Allen who could turn into a guy like Calais Campbell or some semblance of Watt. Those are the standard-setting 3-4 defenses (Texans and Cards), and my point was that you can win with or without a traditional NT, as long as you're disruptive from the edge and from somewhere in the interior.

Top two picks this year went to the line and the edge. That's what they're doing, trying to get disruptive players wherever they can.

I don't get the obsession with this one position.[/quote]

I don't believe it is an obsession as much as a healthy concern, the team has been trying to fit square pegs in round holes much like they have at safety.

I believe the results the team have gotten at safety and NT are pretty predictable considering they have been converting CBs, LBs, 4-3 3 tech guys like Cofield. When they haven't been trying to convert people to S or NT, they have been relying on the over the hill gang like Ryan Clark, Whitner, Golston, (Cofield was a bit of both)

I guess my biggest gripe with the team is playing a scheme that calls for a NT and not having anyone who can play it effectively and not making any real effort or investing any real resources into getting someone who can.

I have the same gripe with the team on the S position.

It is probably overblown.

I believe from a moneyball, metric standpoint a 4-3 is the way to go from a pure numbers perspective. I believe there are more players available through the draft and college ranks who skill set match up with a 4-3. I think DE are easier to find than OLB.

If there are more players to pick from, then the team has a better shot at making quality picks or signing quality FA. (and the Patriots switched back, which is probably the best reason)

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1170803]I don't believe it is an obsession as much as a healthy concern, the team has been trying to fit square pegs in round holes much like they have at safety.

I believe the results the team have gotten at safety and NT are pretty predictable considering they have been converting CBs, LBs, 4-3 3 tech guys like Cofield. When they haven't been trying to convert people to S or NT, they have been relying on the over the hill gang like Ryan Clark, Whitner, Golston, (Cofield was a bit of both)

[B]I guess my biggest gripe with the team is playing a scheme that calls for a NT and not having anyone who can play it effectively and not making any real effort or investing any real resources into getting someone who can.[/B]

[B]I have the same gripe with the team on the S position.[/B]

It is probably overblown.

I believe from a moneyball, metric standpoint a 4-3 is the way to go from a pure numbers perspective. I believe there are more players available through the draft and college ranks who skill set match up with a 4-3. I think DE are easier to find than OLB.

If there are more players to pick from, then the team has a better shot at making quality picks or signing quality FA. (and the Patriots switched back, which is probably the best reason)[/quote]

I think you have a valid point about the lack of proper attention to the NT position.

We've done more at the S position this offseason by signing Swearinger, moving Cravens to SS, and drafting Nicholson.

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We just have to keep in perspective that we had NOTHING on the defensive line last year, except for an adequate rotation guy in Ziggy who was forced to start, and the now departed Baker who was an average starter.

They completely overhauled the line, getting two free agents (one to replace the departed Baker) and drafted a guy who looks like a difference maker.

Then they've brought in a few scrap heap guys to try to fill the NT position, the hail-mary variety. Which yeah, you'd like a difference maker at every spot on the defense.

I think given how much they've done on the defensive line this offseason, it's annoying to hear the complaints. It's unrealistic to expect more than they did, given salary cap and available talent.

I think it's a quibble that ignores the realities of the player market. You can't expect them to solve every need in one offseason, but on the defensive line they damn near did. Choosing to focus on the one line position where they didn't grab a real solution frankly comes across as a little bratty.

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[quote=Schneed10;1170812] It's unrealistic to expect more than they did, given salary cap and available talent.

I think it's a quibble that ignores the realities of the player market. You can't expect them to solve every need in one offseason, but on the defensive line they damn near did. Choosing to focus on the one line position where they didn't grab a real solution frankly comes across as a little bratty.[/quote]

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_draft_history#2010_Draft[/url]

They have drafted exactly one hand in the dirt defensive lineman (Jarvis Jenkins) in the first four rounds since going to the 3-4 in 2010. Nobody does a 7 year rebuild in the NFL. They haven't prioritized it and it shows.

My gripe isn't about this year or last; my gripe is the systemic neglect of the front seven, particularly the D line. I realize there are legitimate differences of opinion regarding the importance of the 3 down lineman in a 3-4, but we haven't acquired rock star OLB over the past 7 years either.

If disagreeing with consistently neglecting the D line (including NT) is bratty, then I am guilty as charged.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Will-Blackmon-says-he-is-actually-learning-football-this-year-52992353]Will Blackmon says he is 'actually learning football this year'[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;1170814][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Will-Blackmon-says-he-is-actually-learning-football-this-year-52992353]Will Blackmon says he is 'actually learning football this year'[/url][/quote]

It seems to me that players often trash their former position coaches. I hate that kind of talk which comes across to me as nothing more than a lame excuse. We'll see how much better he plays this season now that he's been educated. That is, if it's not too late to save his job.

BTW, was there anything standing in the way of Blackmon learning a little something about playing safety during the previous [B]TEN YEARS[/B] he's been in the NFL?

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^ I think it can often be more about just complimenting the new coaches.

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I believe there is something genuinely to that. I mean we all watched the last couple years, the defenders in the secondary just dreadfully out of position in so many circumstances. Communication breakdowns occurred so often, and that's entirely on the coaches getting guys to understand their responsibilities.

I think Barry was a high energy guy, but very light on the Xs and Os and coordinating the play between the position groups.

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He's never said anything like that before and he just started learning the position what, 1 or 2 years ago? I'll take his word for it. I've never heard him throw a coach or staff under the bus before and the fact is we sucked. I also think it's a compliment to the work Torrian Gray is doing. He stresses communication.

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[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/john_keim/status/871034297691627521[/url]

No doubt now: Manusky says Redskins will let Josh Norman, corners shadow wideouts --when needed.

Good.

I think torrian gray as the secondary coach is going to have a major impact. He is a results oriented and accountability is a big thing with him.

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Interesting....

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/one-surprising-stat-shows-bashaud-breeland-may-be-better-suited-slot?utm_content=buffer69384&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]One surprising stat shows that Bashaud Breeland may be better suited for the slot | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1170835]Interesting....

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/one-surprising-stat-shows-bashaud-breeland-may-be-better-suited-slot?utm_content=buffer69384&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer]One surprising stat shows that Bashaud Breeland may be better suited for the slot | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

I certainly thought he was better in the slot...good post.

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Hopefully Moreau, Dunbar, or Fuller can step up and be ready to start on the outside if Breeland is by far and away our best slot guy. Would be nice to have that set in stone going into week 1. Plenty of time to figure it out.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1170816]It seems to me that players often trash their former position coaches. I hate that kind of talk which comes across to me as nothing more than a lame excuse. We'll see how much better he plays this season now that he's been educated. That is, if it's not too late to save his job.

BTW, was there anything standing in the way of Blackmon learning a little something about playing safety during the previous [B]TEN YEARS[/B] he's been in the NFL?[/quote]

Pretty sure he was a cornerback before, so last year was his first real shot at learning NFL safety.

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So I was out at the Redskins OTA practice today. I have a business relationship with 980 and a few people were invited to go out today and watch. It was real laid back, music was playing. It's early but a few things that I noticed...

1. Pryor is huge. I've never seen a wr that big. Cousins really didn't look his way. Hope that changes.

2. The practice seemed sloppy and that's expected. . It was obvious the defense is ahead of the offense. The defense sent a lot of blitzes and the o-line had trouble picking it up.

3. Not impressed with Sudfled. He didn't spin the ball real well. His balls wobbled.

4. Ryan Grant caught a few nice balls from KC. He and Harris looked like the best wr's.

5. Fat Rob looks really good. He's low, lean and made a nice catch in the hurry up. He just carries himself like he's the guy. His teammates seem to really like him.

6.Bruce was there, Snyder was not. Gary Clark and Doug stood next to each other the entire time and chatted.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1170870]So I was out at the Redskins OTA practice today. I have a business relationship with 980 and a few people were invited to go out today and watch. It was real laid back, music was playing. It's early but a few things that I noticed...

1. Pryor is huge. I've never seen a wr that big. Cousins really didn't look his way. Hope that changes.

2. The practice seemed sloppy and that's expected. . It was obvious the defense is ahead of the offense. The defense sent a lot of blitzes and the o-line had trouble picking it up.

3. Not impressed with Sudfled. He didn't spin the ball real well. His balls wobbled.

4. Ryan Grant caught a few nice balls from KC. He and Harris looked like the best wr's.

5. Fat Rob looks really good. He's low, lean and made a nice catch in the hurry up. He just carries himself like he's the guy. His teammates seem to really like him.

6.Bruce was there, Snyder was not. Gary Clark and Doug stood next to each other the entire time and chatted.[/quote]

Gary Clark, the reason I'm a Redskins fan. Was at an antiques store recently and they had old football card packs there, bought one and got one of his cards. Was super pumped.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1170870]So I was out at the Redskins OTA practice today. I have a business relationship with 980 and a few people were invited to go out today and watch. It was real laid back, music was playing. It's early but a few things that I noticed...

1. Pryor is huge. I've never seen a wr that big. Cousins really didn't look his way. Hope that changes.

2. The practice seemed sloppy and that's expected. . It was obvious the defense is ahead of the offense. The defense sent a lot of blitzes and the o-line had trouble picking it up.

3. Not impressed with Sudfled. He didn't spin the ball real well. His balls wobbled.

4. Ryan Grant caught a few nice balls from KC. He and Harris looked like the best wr's.

5. Fat Rob looks really good. He's low, lean and made a nice catch in the hurry up. He just carries himself like he's the guy. His teammates seem to really like him.

6.Bruce was there, Snyder was not. Gary Clark and Doug stood next to each other the entire time and chatted.[/quote]

Thanks for the update. I'm glad fat rob is looking good...after the draft he doesn't seem to sulk like that bitch Matt "hands" Jones.

Sudfailed was a terrible pick last year. I'd say cut him and pick up Crapernick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170877]Thanks for the update. I'm glad fat rob is looking good...after the draft he doesn't seem to sulk like that bitch Matt "hands" Jones.

Sudfailed was a terrible pick last year. I'd say cut him and [COLOR="Red"]pick up Crapernick[/COLOR].[/quote]

Go slap yourself....

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i think i will wait until they actually need to prove themselves on the field before we heap praise upon them.

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[quote=insane4theskinsi;1170879]i think i will wait until they actually need to prove themselves on the field before we heap praise upon them.[/quote]

Praise them whenever you can is my policy. Same as with my grandchildren.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1170878]Go slap yourself....[/quote]

I second that!!!!!! But he is right Sudfeld wasn't the best pick, but he is tall and did make the Hoosiers a half decent team his senior year.

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/In-Torrian-Gray-The-Redskins-Return-Focus-To-Technique/cf54e104-96a9-4493-8e82-2422475b1040]In Torrian Gray, The Redskins Return Focus To Technique[/url]

Really hoping this change could be a major difference maker

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[quote=Chico23231;1171115][url=http://www.redskins.com/news/article-1/In-Torrian-Gray-The-Redskins-Return-Focus-To-Technique/cf54e104-96a9-4493-8e82-2422475b1040]In Torrian Gray, The Redskins Return Focus To Technique[/url]

Really hoping this change could be a major difference maker[/quote]

Me, too.

I love this quote from Coach Gray: “We just have to come out and ... just do the detail things that we talk about—our reads, our keys, our fundamentals, our progressions and things like that,” Gray said. “If we’re detailed with those then we don’t have any other choice but to be great. I just keep driving that home—greatness is in the details.”

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Best defensive personnel in awhile:

...................................................................FS-DJ

..................................................................................SS-Cravens

.................................................ILB-Foster...........ILB-Brown

CB-Bree.........NB Fuller...DE-Junior...DT-McGee--3tech-Allen..DE-Kerrigan...........CB-Norman

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Semi-unrelated, if you are like me and you're also not a Donte Whitner fan you might enjoy this video lol. NSFW - language.

[yt]3rdTAQkGHQI[/yt]

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/31771/sua-cravens-kendall-fuller-can-provide-big-boost-to-redskins-secondary]Su'a Cravens, Kendall Fuller can boost Washington Redskins' secondary - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

couple things:

During the Redskins’ minicamp earlier this month, Gray said Fuller was the one player who jumped out most to him.

“He’s been the one guy that has really impressed me,” Gray said. “The guy I saw on film last year and the guy I’m seeing now is a lot different player.


little foreshadowing here: Rookie Fabian Moreau offers versatility, but because of a torn pectoral muscle, he could be out until late August --[B] or later[/B] " of course...always


Gray said he was “pleasantly surprised” by how Cravens handled the deep-half duties at safety in the spring. Cravens showed last year that he can move forward well, making plays chasing the ball.

“He plays with great anticipation,” Gray said. “The main thing is playing with depth. If he gets his depth, he has great reaction.”


good stuff

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[quote=mooby;1171148]Semi-unrelated, if you are like me and you're also not a Donte Whitner fan you might enjoy this video lol. NSFW - language.

[yt]3rdTAQkGHQI[/yt][/quote]

Haha I'm loving it!!!

I hated every second Whitner was on the field for us last season...

Really don't know what they saw in him...

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Was going back and listening to some podcasts from ESPN 980. In his interview with Cooley from July 12, Jonathan Allen says they are playing a 2 gap technique in the 3-4 defense.

I thought they made a switch to single gap when Barry took over. Have I missed something since Barry was fired?

And if this is the case, it could really change the value of a NT in the defense.

[url=http://www.espn980.com/redskins-audio/]Redskins Media | ESPN 980[/url]

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1171830]Was going back and listening to some podcasts from ESPN 980. [B]In his interview with Cooley from July 12, Jonathan Allen says they are playing a 2 gap technique in the 3-4 defense.
[/B]
I thought they made a switch to single gap when Barry took over. Have I missed something since Barry was fired?

And if this is the case, it could really change the value of a NT in the defense.

[url=http://www.espn980.com/redskins-audio/]Redskins Media | ESPN 980[/url][/quote]

Yeah I heard it and noticed too! This could be a really good thing for us, couldn't it?

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It's all execution. The biggest difference is the real or perceived need for a big dominate NT in a 2 gap who won't fold to a double team.

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Which we don't have.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1171830]Was going back and listening to some podcasts from ESPN 980. In his interview with Cooley from July 12, Jonathan Allen says they are playing a 2 gap technique in the 3-4 defense.

I thought they made a switch to single gap when Barry took over. Have I missed something since Barry was fired?

And if this is the case, it could really change the value of a NT in the defense.

[url=http://www.espn980.com/redskins-audio/]Redskins Media | ESPN 980[/url][/quote]I don't want to see Allen playing 2 gaps. I want him getting up field and getting in the backfield, that's his strength.
If the DL does 2 gap in 34 all 3 of the DL don't absolutely have to play 2. The NT and 1 DE can play 2 and Allen can get up field.

Either way true 34 will only be about 30 maybe -40% of the snaps.

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Great! That means we will have adequate personnel on the field 60 to 70 percent of snaps! Yippie!

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we had the league.s best defense in 2000.be nice for it to return in 2017.