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[quote=skins89moss;1123255]These plays that are being called pick plays are the same kind of plays the Patriots run and don't get called for PI. We are held to a different standard cause we have been awful for years.[/quote]

So stop running them if we can't execute them...it's not hard. That penalty killed a drive and lead directly to the blocked punt.

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[quote=skins89moss;1123248]Really you think a college QB is going to come in next season and make that much of a difference for us next year. Good Luck with that bro college QB's are very rare breed who are pro ready. They all run the spread offense.[/quote]

If it was possible to get an absolute guarantee that Goff wouldn't get hurt more than the average qb, then he is heads and shoulders the best qb in the class. But he is small and will get blasted in the NFL.

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[quote=punch it in;1123196]Its easy you just cater to the quarterbacks strengths and you go undefeated. It has nothing to do with the rest of your team or your opponent. Gruden must be fired immediately for failing to recognize how easy it is to win.[/quote]

All you need to do is pass it when the opponent is expecting run, and run when they're expecting pass. And you should be able to know this 100% of the time, obviously.

Player's don't matter. Its not Cousins fault he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn against Giants.

We lost because their players played better than ours. The offense had plenty of chances w/ the plays that were called.

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[quote=30gut;1123258]I love it when the response to a post is hyperbole. I love how "commitment to run" is bullshit.

We didn't start the game down 2 scores. You don't have to stop running even if you're down 2 scores. Running the ball actually helps an OL. Running the ball actually helps the defense. You can be happy with a gameplan that gives the team's best weapon on offense 6 carries, I'm not.[/quote]

We gave up 9 off the bat. We were running till then. You missed the whole point

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[quote=30gut;1123251]Right off the bat I can tell we're gonna disagree b/c I believe the players level of execution is a product of how well they are coached and specifically putting them in positions to have success.

So where did J fail you ask?

(1) gameplan....IF our identity is gonna be run focused then we actually need to commit to running the ball. Against the Giants we did not. We did not follow the gameplan that brought success vs the Rams. We followed a gameplan where Kirk was asked to pass the ball too much, thus placing Kirk in position to fail...which he did. Our strength right now is not the passing but the running game....the OL Trent, Scherff, Moses, Alf and Matt Jones.

(2) Personnel and prep punt return unit. The Gints identified a weakness in our punt protection and exploited it. J had a newly active LB (Plummer) in a key position on punt protect and he failed.

(3) Refusal to run the ball on 3rd and 2. Going deep on 3rd and 2. Inefficient.

(4) On a key short yardage conversion attempt using Carrier (who we know is not a proven run blocker) to block the POA as opposed to McCoy (a known effective run blocker).

(5) Targeting Roberts, known to have drop issues last year and displayed those same issues already...Parcells? I believe said think players not plays when it comes to key situations...i.e



I could go on but its late i'm tired but you get the idea....I am not saying the whole game was on J. But since YOU asked for areas where he failed there are some.

HTTR[/quote]

I almost broke my own cardinal rule never to get into an argument with you. Let's just say that saying "I am not saying the whole game was on J." is disingenuous. Those that are here regularly know better...

You've worn us out, even when we might be inclined to agree with you we can't get ourselves to do so because we don't want to be in the middle of one of your self righteous tirades. Sometimes it's better to just let it go, dude...

Oh boy, I can't believe I said all that.

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[quote=30gut;1123251]Right off the bat I can tell we're gonna disagree b/c I believe the players level of execution is a product of how well they are coached and specifically putting them in positions to have success.

So where did J fail you ask?

(1) gameplan....IF our identity is gonna be run focused then we actually need to commit to running the ball. Against the Giants we did not. We did not follow the gameplan that brought success vs the Rams. We followed a gameplan where Kirk was asked to pass the ball too much, thus placing Kirk in position to fail...which he did. Our strength right now is not the passing but the running game....the OL Trent, Scherff, Moses, Alf and Matt Jones.

(2) Personnel and prep punt return unit. The Gints identified a weakness in our punt protection and exploited it. J had a newly active LB (Plummer) in a key position on punt protect and he failed.

(3) Refusal to run the ball on 3rd and 2. Going deep on 3rd and 2. Inefficient.

(4) On a key short yardage conversion attempt using Carrier (who we know is not a proven run blocker) to block the POA as opposed to McCoy (a known effective run blocker).

(5) Targeting Roberts, known to have drop issues last year and displayed those same issues already...Parcells? I believe said think players not plays when it comes to key situations...i.e



I could go on but its late i'm tired but you get the idea....I am not saying the whole game was on J. But since YOU asked for areas where he failed there are some.

HTTR[/quote]

1. 8 in the box all night long. Believe it or not the other team gets a say in what works.

2. A newly signed back up linebacker missing a block on a punt being on the head coach is the craziest thing I've ever read. (I'm not convinced you're serious) NFL teams have two dozen coaches so head coaches don't have to deal with coaching back up LBs on punt block teams.

3. Plays are called to exploit situations. The Giants had been stuffing Alf and Jones all night because they were playing 8 in the box on run downs. Their dbs were playing tight and were setting themselves up for a burn. No problem with a play call that exploits the situation.

4. McCoy played 3 snaps the whole game. Too funny.

5. When McVay relayed the play into Kirk, I'm sure he said "Jay said hit Roberts" Kirk was off all night long. His completed passes were off.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1123322]1. 8 in the box all night long. Believe it or not the other team gets a say in what works.

2. A newly signed back up linebacker missing a block on a punt being on the head coach is the craziest thing I've ever read. (I'm not convinced you're serious) NFL teams have two dozen coaches so head coaches don't have to deal with coaching back up LBs on punt block teams.

3. Plays are called to exploit situations. The Giants had been stuffing Alf and Jones all night because they were playing 8 in the box on run downs. Their dbs were playing tight and were setting themselves up for a burn. No problem with a play call that exploits the situation.

4. McCoy played 3 snaps the whole game. Too funny.

5. When McVay relayed the play into Kirk, I'm sure he said "Jay said hit Roberts" [B]Kirk was off all night long. His completed passes were off[/B].[/quote]
Plain to see in the...lack of Yac

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1123276]We gave up 9 off the bat. We were running till then. You missed the whole point[/QUOTE]


Not to mention we werent going to run it down the Gints throat either way. That was pretty obvious.

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[quote=punch it in;1123330]Not to mention we werent going to run it down the Gints throat either way. That was pretty obvious.[/quote]

Nothing with missing Lav on the first series.

We didn't abandon the run. The fair weather fans will say we did. The logical fans who understand the game on a NFL level will realize we passed because we were down 2 scores all game.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1123333]Nothing with missing Lav on the first series.



We didn't abandon the run. The fair weather fans will say we did. The logical fans who understand the game on a NFL level will realize we passed because we were down 2 scores all game.[/QUOTE]


When u throw in the fact that the Giants after two weeks were dead last against the pass and number one against the run it becomes pretty freaking simple. Even though KC has never ever ever ever hit an open wr 30 yards away and so Gruden is a dumbass for expecting him to do so. LOL
My God did he have ample time and wide open guys. It was pretty obvious why the Giants were dead last against the pass. Too bad he couldnt take advantage. He simply played like dogshit. RG-3 or Colt would not have probably faired any better. Might be a long year if he dont tighten the screws.

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[quote=Bucket;1123333]Nothing with missing Lav on the first series.

We didn't abandon the run. The fair weather fans will say we did. The logical fans who understand the game on a NFL level will realize we passed because we were down 2 scores all game.[/quote]

Right on!! Its guys like you that keep me coming back to this forum..is it me or is there a lot of folks on here that just don't have a clue of how competitive the NFL is..and things are not always what they appear to be..geez Gruden did a good job of play calling in my opinion. I base that on if we don't give up the block punt for safety that resulted in td..the fumble in the end zone..the other missed plays that were there for the taking..so poor execution is to blame..we could have been in that game and may have won! I don't get some of these so called fans..i have wanted coaches gone in the past but only after it was clear they had lost the team..heck Gruden has got these guys playing tough.

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I love how despite what i actually write people "know better".

I get it. We cant point out Js mistakes, even when asked because it means we think its all on J. Got it. Noted. Lol. I guess J did everything right. Apparently as the HC very little of what happens on the field is his fault.

Oh BTW the Gints pass defense faced Ryan and Room, 2 top tier QBs and passing offenses which obviously skews their pass defense rating/ranking. Good coaching is about playing to your strengths. If we were able to run the ball vs the Rams then the blue print to run against the Giants was there. From the outset we set out to establish a diverse and committed run game vs the Rams against the Giants we did not. We didn't even feature the multiple TE power run formations that worked from the week before.

If we're gonna talk football let's talk and not have all that other BS.

You can like the playcalling, I'm not knocking anyone's stylistic preference. But for me, I prefer function over form. And I don't think the ganeplan against the Giants is gonna help us win games.

Cheers

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if you're down 9 points and there are 45 minutes left, you can still run it, especially if your defense is pretty decent. if there are issues with having the backup OL in or kirk is changing out of it or whatever, that's a different thing than just getting nervous way too early, but i didn't hear any explanation in the press conference (i didn't listen to the entire thing), so i'm not sure why they switched things up so drastically.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;1123343]if you're down 9 points and there are 45 minutes left, you can still run it, especially if your defense is pretty decent. if there are issues with having the backup OL in or kirk is changing out of it or whatever, that's a different thing than just getting nervous way too early, but i didn't hear any explanation in the press conference (i didn't listen to the entire thing), so i'm not sure why they switched things up so drastically.[/QUOTE]


I think plenty of people on this board have given plenty of reason over and over again. I know we arent the HC but they sort of make sense?

Starting LG out early - strength of our run game is the left side

Giants secondary was getting beat bad and wr's were open all over the place - it was apparent that there was a reason they ranked dead last against the pass

Giants stuffed us in a third or fourth? and short and stacked the box and bottled both Almo and Jones up early - it was apparent that there was a reason they ranked number one against the run.

Cousins had so much time to throw It was laughable on a handful of plays. Our pass pro seemed legit for the first time in a long time.

We were down 12 for most of the game which forced us to throw more.

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[quote=punch it in;1123348]I think plenty of people on this board have given plenty of reason over and over again. I know we arent the HC but they sort of make sense?

Starting LG out early - strength of our run game is the left side

Giants secondary was getting beat bad and wr's were open all over the place - it was apparent that there was a reason they ranked dead last against the pass

Giants stuffed us in a third or fourth? and short and stacked the box and bottled both Almo and Jones up early - it was apparent that there was a reason they ranked number one against the run.

Cousins had so much time to throw It was laughable on a handful of plays. Our pass pro seemed legit for the first time in a long time.

We were down 12 for most of the game which forced us to throw more.[/quote]

People would rather give irrational explanation to why they are right, then actually making sense of situation.

When you have a guard that pulls a lot in a power offense. It really cripples you as a run team when he goes down. We still attempted to run but we were not having a lot of success and when you have to punt to a team taking 5-8 minutes off the clock everytime they have the ball. It makes committing to the run difficult.

We are going to have games were we need to rely on Kirk to win with his arm. He was 2-3 yards short on throws this week to doing just that. I'm not freaking out because I've seen him make these throws before so I know he can do it. I'm just worried about his progression and mental state after throwing multiple picks still

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[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/09/22/a-closer-look-at-the-redskins-three-tight-end-sets-against-the-rams/[/url]

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[quote=30gut;1123354][url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/09/22/a-closer-look-at-the-redskins-three-tight-end-sets-against-the-rams/[/url][/quote]

Thats 9 in the box in the clip they are showing in that article. Yet people are saying that running against an 8 man box is impossible. Its possible, you just need to want to do it. Against the Giants, we didnt make any effort to. We lined up in pass sets the whole game and made no effort to do what we do well. Even when we ran, it was Carrier as the blocker, who run blocks worse than Reed. It was an attempt to show pass but end up running, which is fine at times. But not going to work when your QB is off.

Guys, its possible to run against an 8 man box. Stop making excuses as to why you cant when we did exactly that against the rams. And no... Lauvoa is not the one singular reason we were able to run against the dolphins and rams. It doesnt help losing him, but its also not the end of the world like its being made out to be.

Also, all this stuff about KC being off. Yes he was, we all saw it, except the play callers. When your QB is having an off game, and he is not an elite QB, then change the play calling to help him out. Coaches do that all the time. Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, you allow them to do what they do since they have earned the benefit of the doubt. KC... Not so much. Offer him help in some way, shape, or form. Dont find something that isnt working and stick with it. The play calls were good if KC was on his game. The fact that he wasnt, and everyone saw that, means they werent good play calls.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1123355]Thats 9 in the box in the clip they are showing in that article. Yet people are saying that running against an 8 man box is impossible. Its possible, you just need to want to do it. Against the Giants, we didnt make any effort to. We lined up in pass sets the whole game and made no effort to do what we do well. Even when we ran, it was Carrier as the blocker, who run blocks worse than Reed. It was an attempt to show pass but end up running, which is fine at times. But not going to work when your QB is off.



Guys, its possible to run against an 8 man box. Stop making excuses as to why you cant when we did exactly that against the rams. And no... Lauvoa is not the one singular reason we were able to run against the dolphins and rams. It doesnt help losing him, but its also not the end of the world like its being made out to be.



Also, all this stuff about KC being off. Yes he was, we all saw it, except the play callers. When your QB is having an off game, and he is not an elite QB, then change the play calling to help him out. Coaches do that all the time. Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, you allow them to do what they do since they have earned the benefit of the doubt. KC... Not so much. Offer him help in some way, shape, or form. Dont find something that isnt working and stick with it. The play calls were good if KC was on his game. The fact that he wasnt, and everyone saw that, means they werent good play calls.[/QUOTE]


So once he / we realized KC was not on his game, what exactly do you suggest.? We were probably down 12 at that point and the Giants were completely bottling up our run game. See you guys in the "bad play call" camp keep acting as if they "abandoned " the run, but they didnt. It was getting stopped. We tried to run the ball 20 times all of which were pounced on except one ten yard burst and a nice run by Thompson. Other than that they averaged under three yards a carry! The fourth quarter would have been good for 10-15 more run attempts but we were down three scores?!? It was not at all like the Rams game. Not at all. We tried to screen pass, go deep, go intermediate. None of it worked. Wth is it exactly that you were looking for????? More flea flickers?

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[quote=punch it in;1123366]So once he / we realized KC was not on his game, what exactly do you suggest.? We were probably down 12 at that point and the Giants were completely bottling up our run game. See you guys in the "bad play call" camp keep acting as if they "abandoned " the run, but they didnt. It was getting stopped. We tried to run the ball 20 times all of which were pounced on except one ten yard burst and a nice run by Thompson. Other than that they averaged under three yards a carry! The fourth quarter would have been good for 10-15 more run attempts but we were down three scores?!? It was not at all like the Rams game. Not at all. We tried to screen pass, go deep, go intermediate. None of it worked. Wth is it exactly that you were looking for????? More flea flickers?[/quote]

Why didnt they try the 3 TE sets? Did you miss the entire post I was commenting on? The extra TE's widens the line and forces the Giants to do the exact same (notice everything you mentioned was a pass). That already creates wider gaps to attempt to run through. When you let 8 people sit from tackle to tackle, and then wonder why the run isnt working, thats idiocy. Having a back such as Morris who has great vision and has shown plenty of times that he can work with that and use cutbacks, those wider gaps can make a huge difference. Even Matt Jones could have possibly made that work for him.

As for it not being like the rams game. Of course it wasnt, we never tried to power run it down their throats. We lined up in passing sets against an 8 man box. Thats clearly not the thing to do when your QB is having an off night. That wasnt fooling anyone.

But when its clearly not working, the one thing you dont do is the same damn thing all game long. Had KC been having a decent game, it would have worked (I have never denied that), but anyone in their right mind could see he was not.

Stop with the whole attitude that the only way to win a game when the defense commits 8 to the box is to have Tom Brady, thats a fallacy. The rams did that also, and we ran against them.

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On to the Beagles. Giants game is toast. I want to see this below average Redskin team play like an average team and grind out a win at home.

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if you're QB is sucking, do you just keep chucking?


we had a bunch of success w/ 3 TEs vs the rams, and basically didn't use it vs the giants on a short week. I understand why we weren't running in the 4th quarter, and kirk put up a lot of garbage time yards that helped make the loss and his stat line look better than it was.

I don't get it, everyone wants us to be a power-running team, yet they're perfectly okay when we go pass happy in the middle of the first quarter, even though that's not what we're good at.

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[quote=That Guy;1123371]if you're QB is sucking, do you just keep chucking?


we had a bunch of success w/ 3 TEs vs the rams, and basically didn't use it vs the giants on a short week. I understand why we weren't running in the 4th quarter, and kirk put up a lot of garbage time yards that helped make the loss and his stat line look better than it was.

I don't get it, everyone wants us to be a power-running team, yet they're perfectly okay when we go pass happy in the middle of the first quarter, even though that's not what we're good at.[/quote]

We're capable of passing the ball. You have to try to do it against 8 man fronts. We didn't make any plays. Off night. But I would expect a professional NFL team to try and pass the ball when the other team is daring you to do so.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1123372]We're capable of passing the ball. You have to try to do it against 8 man fronts. We didn't make any plays. Off night. But I would expect a professional NFL team to try and pass the ball when the other team is daring you to do so.[/QUOTE]


Agreed. Even when your QB starts slow - you have to take what the defense gives you.

However there is no arguing this anymore. Just wait till goid KC shows up than Gruden will have called a good game.

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The Redskins Defense has zero turnovers this year. If you are not the Broncos, Patriots or Cardinals, you are not good enought to win without them. If they don't start getting some turnovers = short field, they are in for a long season, especially with "I throw one pick or more every game " Kirk Cousins as their QB. Its a simple game really. You can move the ball by passing or running, but you can't turn it over. Blocked punt=turnover, picks by Cousins= turnover, Matt Jones fumble= turnover. Tell me those 3 things and I don't even have to watch the game and tell you the Giants won. Again, the reason they want to run more, is because the more Cousins passes, the more likely a TO is about to happen. You don't need to run more if you have a guy like Brady as your QB, because he doesn't turn it over, but the Redskins QB does. Sorry for my rant, but Cousins should get benched for McCoy the next time he throws 2 picks in a game.

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Coughlin can out-coach almost every coach in the league, yet the Giants lose plenty of games. It's not always about coaching.

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[quote=punch it in;1123377]Agreed. Even when your QB starts slow - you have to take what the defense gives you.

However there is no arguing this anymore. [B]Just wait till goid KC shows up than Gruden will have called a good game[/B].[/quote]

But this is what I am talking about. As the play caller, you cant just chalk it up to the game plan wasnt working tonight, Oh well. He needs to try something to get the team going. Would we have won the game doing something else? I have no clue. We may have still lost and looked bad. But you dont just give up because the norm isnt working. This isnt about "trying to pass". Its about giving up on the run and going pass happy when your not elite QB was having an off night.

Its not always what the defense gives you. Sometimes you just have to go out there and try to take it. This is the NFL after all.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1123384]But this is what I am talking about. As the play caller, you cant just chalk it up to the game plan wasnt working tonight, Oh well. He needs to try something to get the team going. Would we have won the game doing something else? I have no clue. We may have still lost and looked bad. But you dont just give up because the norm isnt working. This isnt about "trying to pass". Its about giving up on the run and going pass happy when your not elite QB was having an off night.



Its not always what the defense gives you. Sometimes you just have to go out there and try to take it. This is the NFL after all.[/QUOTE]


When you say "doing something else "I can only imagine u mean run more? He tried throwing plenty of screens. They did not work. He went deep. It did not work. He tried three different running backs. The run was not working. We have to leave the fourth quarter alone because he had no choice. Someone mentioned a three tight end set to help run the ball. Do we have any tight ends on our team that can block? That formation is not an automatic slam dunk run and move the sticks magic trick. Especially when they cannot block.
For the first three quarters we were tantalizingly close to moving the chains through the air. However we were not going anywhere on the ground. So I suppose Gruden could have said you know what KC stinks tonite. We are going to keep running into a brick wall. That neither moves the chains nor does it give your qb (really the one u r stuck with, because forget about Colt effing Mccoy) any confidence going forward. He pinned his hopes on the fact that KC was going to get better, instead of pinning them on the fact that our run game was going to suddenly be effective. As the game moved forward it became more urgent to throw.

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A lot of things went wrong Thurs night.

Rhythm was never there.

The Giants were the first team to stack the box and take away the run.

Were Gruden/Mcvay unprepared to adjust when they had to know D coord were going to adjust by week 3? what worked week 1 and 2 were not going to work week 3 against a division opponent.

Or did Kirk miss on those crucial play calls were Gruden/mcvay called a great play call?

1st drive, 3rd and 1, we call (for some reason) a pass to Thompson ... which worked for a 20+ yd gain. penalty negated play, eventual punt.

Kirk was missing throws he normally makes and the run was stuffed. The D did pretty well for all the short fields the Giants had but eventually relented.


just an off night for everyone. hard to judge whose fault it was when everyone had a hand in the making.

good teams dont have off nights like we had.

but we arent a good team yet. we are a sub .500 okay team. ill take that for right now.

hopefully it is motivation to beat the eagles, sit at .500 and 1-1 in the division, which is up for grabs.

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Switching the discussion around a bit, I think the team is pretty banged up and this is going to be a problem in any game moving forward. We just don't have the depth in the roster to overcome this right now. However, the only positive out of this is to get some playing time for some of these backups.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1123389]Switching the discussion around a bit, I think the team is pretty banged up and this is going to be a problem in any game moving forward. We just don't have the depth in the roster to overcome this right now. However, the only positive out of this is to get some playing time for some of these backups.[/QUOTE]


Another positive would be there is nobody like the Pats in our division and it is completely up for grabs.

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[quote=punch it in;1123385]When you say "doing something else "I can only imagine u mean run more? He tried throwing plenty of screens. They did not work. He went deep. It did not work. He tried three different running backs. The run was not working. We have to leave the fourth quarter alone because he had no choice. Someone mentioned a three tight end set to help run the ball. Do we have any tight ends on our team that can block? That formation is not an automatic slam dunk run and move the sticks magic trick. Especially when they cannot block.
For the first three quarters we were tantalizingly close to moving the chains through the air. However we were not going anywhere on the ground. So I suppose Gruden could have said you know what KC stinks tonite. We are going to keep running into a brick wall. That neither moves the chains nor does it give your qb (really the one u r stuck with, because forget about Colt effing Mccoy) any confidence going forward. He pinned his hopes on the fact that KC was going to get better, instead of pinning them on the fact that our run game was going to suddenly be effective. As the game moved forward it became more urgent to throw.[/quote]

Yet the 3 TE set worked against 9 in the box against the rams. Yes, I expect the play callers to try it all if the game plan isnt working. I also explained how it helps but you want to ignore that, acting that the Giants wouldnt have widened out when they would have. Widening the Giants defense had a better chance than leaving 8 tackle to tackle and running Morris outside and Jones inside, which should have been switched anyways. You just assume this stuff wont work because it doesnt fit your narrative. Yes, I want them to try. If it doesnt work, then they cant be blamed. But they didnt try, so therefore Jay holds some responsibility.

Just throwing your hands in the air and saying oh well and saying that its not worth trying is something that I dont want the play callers to do. Fans can do that, play callers cannot.

Also "tantalizingly close to moving the chains" is just an overly dramatic way of saying it wasnt working.

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[quote=That Guy;1123371]if you're QB is sucking, do you just keep chucking?


we had a bunch of success w/ 3 TEs vs the rams, and basically didn't use it vs the giants on a short week. I understand why we weren't running in the 4th quarter, and kirk put up a lot of garbage time yards that helped make the loss and his stat line look better than it was.

I don't get it, everyone wants us to be a power-running team, yet they're perfectly okay when we go pass happy in the middle of the first quarter, even though that's not what we're good at.[/quote]

KC is an NFL QB and he's hit on many big passing plays here. Just cause he missed a few doesn't mean he won't get the next one. You can't just try and keep running against that many guys in the box. Our Rb's were getting hit before they were getting to the line. You have to try and throw there to loosen up the defense and make them respect your offense.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1123391]



Also "tantalizingly close to moving the chains" is just an overly dramatic way of saying it wasnt working.[/QUOTE]


So there is no difference between a QB with all the time in the world who is missing several wide open receivers down field, and one who has no time and nobody open? Id say the first example is extremely......tantalizingly close.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1123393]KC is an NFL QB and he's hit on many big passing plays here. Just cause he missed a few doesn't mean he won't get the next one. [B]You can't just try and keep running against that many guys in the box[/B]. Our Rb's were getting hit before they were getting to the line. You have to try and throw there to loosen up the defense and make them respect your offense.[/quote]
One of the reasons our 91' team was so damn good is if you stacked the box, Ryp' bombed ur ass. Rush 4, get a nice taste of the rush.....

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[quote=ghettodogallstars;1123383]coughlin can out-coach almost every coach in the league, yet the giants lose plenty of games. It's not always about coaching.[/quote]

+100000 !!

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[quote=over the mountain;1123388]...
1st drive, 3rd and 1, we call (for some reason) a pass to Thompson ... which worked for a 20+ yd gain. penalty negated play, eventual punt.



...[/quote]
Looking at 4 offensive plays after that penalty:

3rd and 2 at WSH 27
(13:48) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass deep right to C.Thompson pushed ob at NYG 40 for 33 yards (B.Meriweather). [B]PENALTY on WAS-J.Reed,[/B] [B]Offensive Pass Interference,[/B] 10 yards, enforced at WAS 27 - No Play.
3rd and 12 at WSH 17
(13:19) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass incomplete deep right to C.Thompson.
4th and 12 at WSH 17
(13:07) T.Way punts 53 yards to NYG 30, Center-N.Sundberg. D.Harris to 50 for 20 yards (J.Jeffcoat). Penalty on NYG-R.Jennings, Running Into the Kicker, offsetting, enforced at WAS 17 - No Play. [B]Penalty on WAS-B.Breeland, Player Out of Bounds on Punt, offsetting[/B].
4th and 12 at WSH 17
[B]Punt Blocked [/B]by Rashad Jennings Out of End Zone For Safety

1st and 10 at WSH 6
(9:03) A.Morris left tackle to WAS 9 for 3 yards (B.Meriweather, J.Bromley). WAS-[B]S.Lauvao was injured during the play[/B].
2nd and 7 at WSH 9
(8:42) K.Cousins pass short middle intended for P.Garcon[B] INTERCEPTED[/B] by P.Amukamara [D.Kennard] at WAS 20. P.Amukamara to WAS 14 for 6 yards (D.Carrier).


Yes, I get that coaching can be and should be critiqued, but IF you take away the penalties - which primarily are on the players, and secondarily on the coaches - 2 times over we would not have had a punt blocked for a safety - the first penalty negated a first down far away from the end zone, and 3 more opportunities to run or pass, and the second penalty (both a bone headed play and secondarily a ST coaching error) negated a successful punt.

then we ran ([sarc]WHAT, I thought we didn't [/sarc]) and lost our LG for injury then KC threw what everyone is saying was absolutely on him.

So at that point we were down by 9 and we must have gone pass happy listening to the Warpath subtext.

Of course our next 3 and out was a [B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/punt series. (NY got a FG)
then a [B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run/run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/pass/fg series (NY got a FG)
then a pass/[B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/pass(penalty)pass pass/[B]run[/B]/pass(A Roberts drop)/pass/FG (End of half)
11 runs to 13 passes, the last 3 passes got forced into it based on the penalty and the drop.

Honestly, looking at that made me more so wonder if we have a strong tendency of alternating pass/run or if that was a quirk. But I don't think it shows a team that just got away from the run.

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[quote=Hog1;1123402]One of the reasons our 91' team was so damn good is if you stacked the box, Ryp' bombed ur ass. Rush 4, get a nice taste of the rush.....[/quote]

Didn't hurt when you had Monk, Clark and Sanders either. But Rip was a great deep ball thrower and Gibbs seemed to know exactly when to drop a bomb on someone.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1123407][B]Didn't hurt when you had Monk, Clark and Sanders[/B] either. But Rip was a great deep ball thrower and Gibbs seemed to know exactly when to drop a bomb on someone.[/quote]

........maybe

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1123405]Looking at 4 offensive plays after that penalty:



3rd and 2 at WSH 27

(13:48) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass deep right to C.Thompson pushed ob at NYG 40 for 33 yards (B.Meriweather). [B]PENALTY on WAS-J.Reed,[/B] [B]Offensive Pass Interference,[/B] 10 yards, enforced at WAS 27 - No Play.

3rd and 12 at WSH 17

(13:19) (Shotgun) K.Cousins pass incomplete deep right to C.Thompson.

4th and 12 at WSH 17

(13:07) T.Way punts 53 yards to NYG 30, Center-N.Sundberg. D.Harris to 50 for 20 yards (J.Jeffcoat). Penalty on NYG-R.Jennings, Running Into the Kicker, offsetting, enforced at WAS 17 - No Play. [B]Penalty on WAS-B.Breeland, Player Out of Bounds on Punt, offsetting[/B].

4th and 12 at WSH 17

[B]Punt Blocked [/B]by Rashad Jennings Out of End Zone For Safety



1st and 10 at WSH 6

(9:03) A.Morris left tackle to WAS 9 for 3 yards (B.Meriweather, J.Bromley). WAS-[B]S.Lauvao was injured during the play[/B].

2nd and 7 at WSH 9

(8:42) K.Cousins pass short middle intended for P.Garcon[B] INTERCEPTED[/B] by P.Amukamara [D.Kennard] at WAS 20. P.Amukamara to WAS 14 for 6 yards (D.Carrier).





Yes, I get that coaching can be and should be critiqued, but IF you take away the penalties - which primarily are on the players, and secondarily on the coaches - 2 times over we would not have had a punt blocked for a safety - the first penalty negated a first down far away from the end zone, and 3 more opportunities to run or pass, and the second penalty (both a bone headed play and secondarily a ST coaching error) negated a successful punt.



then we ran ([sarc]WHAT, I thought we didn't [/sarc]) and lost our LG for injury then KC threw what everyone is saying was absolutely on him.



So at that point we were down by 9 and we must have gone pass happy listening to the Warpath subtext.



Of course our next 3 and out was a [B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/punt series. (NY got a FG)

then a [B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run/run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/pass/fg series (NY got a FG)

then a pass/[B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/pass/[B]run[/B]/pass(penalty)pass pass/[B]run[/B]/pass(A Roberts drop)/pass/FG (End of half)

11 runs to 13 passes, the last 3 passes got forced into it based on the penalty and the drop.



Honestly, looking at that made me more so wonder if we have a strong tendency of alternating pass/run or if that was a quirk. But I don't think it shows a team that just got away from the run.[/QUOTE]


Shhhh. (If u tell everyone what really happened than we cant just pretend, er i mean, remember - yeah thats it - remember that um Gruden got away from the game plan and effed everything up!)

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Im not sure what is worse watching the skins play or reading some of these post game experts trying to convince us that they should be coaching a NFL team..truth is a high school football coach is a tough task and most of us could not coach pee wee football..even when given the facts some are so blind they continue to be in denial…When i see the redskins quit playing hard and the coach loses the locker room It will be time to consider a coach change..until that happens I will support this coach.