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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1140228]So can Rex Grossman... Went to a SB as the starting QB on a defensive dominant team.



So can Trent Dilfer... Won a SB as the starting QB on a defensive dominant team.



For that matter... So can RG3... Won a division as a starting QB where our defense was flat out horrible (a whole lot worse than KC dealt with this year)..



Saying a QB can win with a dominant defense is like saying a dime is worth 10 cents. Its a Captain Obvious statement.[/QUOTE]


Whats a matter cat piss in your cheerios? Of course a dominant defense can carry an average or below average quarterback. BUT I did not say we need a dominant defense did I? I said that we got our QB and if we improve on a piss poor defense that he can be one of the best in the league. But you read whatever you would like.

Edit: u also may want to re-visit your statement about this years D vs 2012. They were both bottom of the barrel except this years D was worse against the run. So to say what Griff dealt with was a whole lot worse is just not true.

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[quote=punch it in;1140246]Whats a matter cat piss in your cheerios? Of course a dominant defense can carry an average or below average quarterback. BUT I did not say we need a dominant defense did I? I said that we got our QB and if we improve on a piss poor defense that he can be one of the best in the league. But you read whatever you would like.

Edit: u also may want to re-visit your statement about this years D vs 2012. They were both bottom of the barrel except this years D was worse against the run. So to say what Griff dealt with was a whole lot worse is just not true.[/quote]

Its not a pissed im my cheerios statement. Did you say dominant defense? No... Did you describe dominant defense? Yes. You said a defense that keeps him on the field and keeps us from playing from behind. Simply put, you are describing Seattle. Thats not something that defines a good QB unless you simply rate a QB by wins.

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A defense that can keep your qb from playing from behind alot (which is what i said) is dominant? They are Seattle, they are Superbowl caliber? Lol. Ok.
How about they arent so freaking bad (worse than 2012....again), that your quarterback isnt always playing from behind. How in the hell does my original statement describe a dominant / championship defense? Lol. If KC has a HALFWAY DECENT DEFENSE THAT CAN FORCE A FEW THREE AND OUTS AND NOT ALWAYS FALL BEHIND HE CAN WIN A SHIT TON OF GAMES FOR THIS TEAM. Is that better? Im saying the exact opposite of what you are trying to twist my words into. He can be the type of qb that puts his team on his shoulders with a halfway competent D. The exact and polar opposite of what Rex or Trent were. They were along for the ride with a dominant D.

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[quote=punch it in;1140250]A defense that can keep your qb from playing from behind alot (which is what i said) is dominant? They are Seattle, they are Superbowl caliber? Lol. Ok.
How about they arent so freaking bad (worse than 2012....again), that your quarterback isnt always playing from behind. How in the hell does my original statement describe a dominant / championship defense? Lol. If KC has a HALFWAY DECENT DEFENSE THAT CAN FORCE A FEW THREE AND OUTS AND NOT ALWAYS FALL BEHIND HE CAN WIN A SHIT TON OF GAMES FOR THIS TEAM. Is that better? Im saying the exact opposite of what you are trying to twist my words into. He can be the type of qb that puts his team on his shoulders with a halfway competent D. The exact and polar opposite of what Rex or Trent were. They were along for the ride with a dominant D.[/quote]

You are still simply making statements that "insert QB name here" are true. I mean what QB, if they hardly fall behind, cant win a shit ton of games. Other than the pick 6 machines, the rest are a true statement.

And a "HALFWAY DECENT DEFENSE" isnt keeping you from falling behind. Half way to decent is still a crap defense. I dont think a crap defense will keep you from playing from behind a lot. That either takes a really good defense with a good offense or a flat out elite defense.

I still dont understand why it takes the defense of the Redskins to determine whether KC is an assassin or not. Again, unless you rate a QB on wins only. KC can play great and the defense shit the bed and we get a loss. Thats not on KC.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1140252]You are still simply making statements that "insert QB name here" are true. I mean what QB, if they hardly fall behind, cant win a shit ton of games. Other than the pick 6 machines, the rest are a true statement.



And a "HALFWAY DECENT DEFENSE" isnt keeping you from falling behind. Half way to decent is still a crap defense. I dont think a crap defense will keep you from playing from behind a lot. That either takes a really good defense with a good offense or a flat out elite defense.



I still dont understand why it takes the defense of the Redskins to determine whether KC is an assassin or not. Again, unless you rate a QB on wins only. KC can play great and the defense shit the bed and we get a loss. Thats not on KC.[/QUOTE]


Wow dude. Just wow. C Redskins makes the statement that we got our QB, and I said , yup but im more worried about our D, we need a D that doesnt always fall behind to make KC really shine. Than you go on some ridiculous tirade where you are trying desperately to make some vain point - im not even sure what? The only "dumb" statement made throughout all of this was " RG-3 dealt with a worse defense in 2012 than Kirk did this year". Really? So basically you are either butt hurt that Griff is gone or you simply have a hard on for my post.
You have been saying over and over again how "obvious" my statement was. How it not only holds true for KC but for Griff, Grossman, Dilfer, or any other qb with a good defense - and now you are saying that you still don't understand the statement? So which is it "captain obvious like" or not? A statement really cannot be "captain obvious " and make no sense at all? You are all over the map, totally confused about our defense from 2012 vs 2015, and butt hurt about RG-3.
What quarterback if they dont fall behind cant win alot of games? One that sucks? One that turns the ball over? One that cannot score? Your statements are very black and white. There is no in between with you. Lol.

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How are you confused about the fact that a better D would help keep KC and the O in more of a rhythm? How are you confused about how not falling behind all the time would allow KC and the offense not to have to press? How are you under the impression that our D either sucks or it is Seattle and apparently there is no in between? Are these new concepts or are you just trying desperately to argue with me about something? It really feels like the latter.

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"I never played football thinking about money, and going forward I never want to play football thinking about money," Cousins said. "That's why I think it's important for me to play with a salary that's just locked in. I don't want to be thinking about individual accomplishments or rewards that would boost my salary or up my numbers. I just want to go out and play football and try and win games. So whether I'm making what I made last year [$660,000] or this year, I just want to play football and treat it like I did back in high school and love playing. It's a tremendous blessing to be paid to play this game the way I will this year."

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14996752/kirk-cousins-washington-redskins-fine-franchise-tag-explains-relationship-robert-griffin-iii-nfl]Kirk Cousins of Washington Redskins fine with franchise tag, explains relationship with Robert Griffin III - NFL[/url]
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Is anyone not buying his "its not about the money" mantra.

Dude, its about the money. when you said you want to go where you are wanted the most = its all about the money.

Kirk, Im a fan, I love what you bring, the players seem to like you ... and this good guy schtick is fine, i think you are a good dude ... but if its not about the money and its about being locked in .... sign for 4 yrs, 18 mil per and be done with it.

I think kirk is 95% genuine, 5% trying to brand himself. Next thing you know, he will be doing a milk commercial with a milk moustache or something.

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He seems like a genuine guy to me. Of course money is a good thing, it just isn't the ultimate motivator for everyone. Do we really need to turn on the guy already?

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[quote=MTK;1141004]He seems like a genuine guy to me. Of course money is a good thing, it just isn't the ultimate motivator for everyone. Do we really need to turn on the guy already?[/quote]

Not turning on him at all ... just not buying the "its not about the money" schtick. Which I dont even blame him for saying bc that is what he is supposed to say .... get off my lawn!!

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So who do you believe? Kirk or Chris Cooley? I know what I saw with my own eyes and believe Kirk.


"He was a great teammate throughout the season and supportive, and he had a lot of experience having played a lot and was able to be a big help to me. So, it was a positive thing. ... It was a good relationship and I've always felt that way."


Kirk Cousins, on his relationship with Robert Griffin III.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1141009]So who do you believe? Kirk or Chris Cooley? I know what I saw with my own eyes and believe Kirk.


"He was a great teammate throughout the season and supportive, and he had a lot of experience having played a lot and was able to be a big help to me. So, it was a positive thing. ... It was a good relationship and I've always felt that way."


Kirk Cousins, on his relationship with Robert Griffin III.[/quote]

But SF, that doesn't get clicks or get Cooley's name in the papers. Cooley is like most millennials, "look at me, look at me, I need attention, look at me"



Mr. Gorbachev, Tear down this thread!

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1141009]So who do you believe? Kirk or Chris Cooley? I know what I saw with my own eyes and believe Kirk.


"He was a great teammate throughout the season and supportive, and he had a lot of experience having played a lot and was able to be a big help to me. So, it was a positive thing. ... It was a good relationship and I've always felt that way."


Kirk Cousins, on his relationship with Robert Griffin III.[/quote]

Cousins is not the type of person (IMO) that would saying anything negative about anyone publically . . . regardless of what the situation really was

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[quote=over the mountain;1141008]Not turning on him at all ... just not buying the "its not about the money" schtick. Which I dont even blame him for saying bc that is what he is supposed to say .... get off my lawn!![/quote]

Well, as Matty said, money plays its part - only smart to earn as much you can while you can, but, at the same time, if it was a really a motivator, then why sign the tender immediately?

Seems to me he basically said, "Okay guys, I'm not going to haggle with you or play the 'who blinks first' game. I know my value and am going to put up or shut up. Next year, after I do my thing, show up with what I know to be my value and I'll be here for a good long while."

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[QUOTE=SkinsGuru;1141012]Cousins is not the type of person (IMO) that would saying anything negative about anyone publically . . . regardless of what the situation really was[/QUOTE]


This.

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I do not understand the Cooley hate. I guess it is because he did not kiss RG3's arse.

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I dont know where to post this at but the COLTS owner looks like he is drunk and high as shit LOL. I know its friday homeboy but dont go on camera..... Peyton can wait till next week lol

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[quote=warpaint;1141020]I dont know where to post this at but the COLTS owner looks like he is drunk and high as shit LOL. I know its friday homeboy but dont go on camera..... Peyton can wait till next week lol[/quote]

Kinda sad really. With the substance abuse issues he's had it wouldn't be shocking if he was. If you're an owner of a NFL team you should hold yourself to the highest responsibility, and if you've ever read his Twitter feed he's solidly established himself as the "drunk uncle" of the NFL.

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[quote=warpaint;1141020]I dont know where to post this at but the COLTS owner looks like he is drunk and high as shit LOL. I know its friday homeboy but dont go on camera..... Peyton can wait till next week lol[/quote]

Guys that go through the equivalent of a car wreck every Sunday can't smoke a joint and this rich prick who has every opportunity to get the best rehab in the world walks around showing the world what an idiot he is.

Sympathy should be reserved for kids with cancer.

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Addiction is a bitch.............

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1141008]Not turning on him at all ... just not buying the "its not about the money" schtick. Which I dont even blame him for saying bc that is what he is supposed to say .... get off my

Of course it's about money. He can't come out and say that. He is one of the most likeable guys that I can ever remember putting on a Redskin uniform. But when it comes down to it, he's also a business man come contract time.

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I like hearing this...

[URL] http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/31/kirk-cousins-seeks-advice-from-other-quarterbacks/ [/URL]

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[quote=kct1975;1144074]I like hearing this...

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/31/kirk-cousins-seeks-advice-from-other-quarterbacks/]Kirk Cousins seeks advice from other quarterbacks | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Me too...

And I love hearing this:

[url=http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/5/31/11820636/eagles-practice-notes-sam-bradford-philadelphia-carson-wentz-otas-interceptions-chase-daniel]Eagles Practice Notes: Sam Bradford had a bad day filled with interceptions - Bleeding Green Nation[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1144075]Me too...

And I love hearing this:

[url=http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/5/31/11820636/eagles-practice-notes-sam-bradford-philadelphia-carson-wentz-otas-interceptions-chase-daniel]Eagles Practice Notes: Sam Bradford had a bad day filled with interceptions - Bleeding Green Nation[/url][/QUOTE]
Awesome! [emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji106]

Sam Bradford was...and Always Will Be Completely Overrated!

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[quote=kct1975;1144076]Awesome! [emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji106]

Sam Bradford was...and Always Will Be Completely Overrated![/quote]

:food-smil

I love that eagles board too, there is so much self hate and stereotypical philly filthyness..I roll with laughter reading so of their posts

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Philly might as well put the kid in there from day one, give him all the reps and chalk the 16 season as a building year. Putting Bradford in to win a few more games doesn't accomplish anything. They gave up too much to have Wentz sit. I'd play him right away and deal with his mistakes. Of course they may end up doing that anyway.

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[quote=Chico23231;1144075]Me too...

And I love hearing this:

[url=http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/5/31/11820636/eagles-practice-notes-sam-bradford-philadelphia-carson-wentz-otas-interceptions-chase-daniel]Eagles Practice Notes: Sam Bradford had a bad day filled with interceptions - Bleeding Green Nation[/url][/quote]

One thing i really wonder about, is why did RG3 never do this, especially with having Doug Williams on hand as a potential sounding board? Was it really his ego, or something else??

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1144093]One thing i really wonder about, is why did RG3 never do this, especially with having Doug Williams on hand as a potential sounding board? Was it really his ego, or something else??[/quote]

IMO it was def an ego thing.

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Ego. And more specifically, an arrogant assumption that his success in college and in Year 1 with the Skins meant he didn't need to seek advice, because he was different.

The fact that he told Shanahan he wanted to be a pocket passer, and wanted certain plays scrapped, showed he felt he would succeed at anything. It never occurred to him that he had weaknesses. That takes a lot of arrogance.

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Reading a fantasy football article on espn(degenerate loser, I know) ...couple nice stats about Cousins:

20. [B]From Week 7 on in 2015, Kirk Cousins had four different games with at least four total touchdowns.

21. That's the same number of four-TD games that Aaron Rodgers has had since the start of 2014.[/B]
22. [B]There has been one quarterback during the past three seasons to throw for 4,100 yards and rush for five scores. His name is Kirk Cousins.

23. The latest to do it, before Cousins, was Andrew Luck in 2012.[/B]
23a. In 2013, Andrew Luck was the fourth-best quarterback in fantasy.

24. ESPN NFL Nation Redskins reporter John Keim's recent blog post about Kirk Cousins and expectations about his air yards per attempt included this nugget: "After the first Dallas game, the Redskins changed their offensive approach. Offensive coordinator Sean McVay knew he needed to stay more aggressive with the passing game."

25. The "first Dallas game" referenced in No. 24 was in Week 13 last season.

25a. Kirk Cousins from Weeks 1-13: 6.55 yards per pass attempt and 27 pass attempts per touchdown toss.

25b. For comparison, Colin Kaepernick had 6.62 yards per pass attempt last season, while Josh McCown averaged 24.3 attempts per touchdown pass.

26. Kirk Cousins (Weeks 14-17): 9.67 yards per pass attempt and 8.57 attempts per touchdown pass.

26a. For comparison, Tom Brady in 2007, when he was the first QB to throw 50 TDs, put up 8.31 yards per attempt and 11.56 attempts per TD pass. And Peyton Manning, when he set the NFL record for passing yards and TDs in 2013, averaged 8.31 yards per attempt and 11.98 attempts per TD pass.

27. The offensive coaching staff and all offensive starters in the passing game return for Washington. Yet, like Tyrod Taylor, Cousins was not selected in our staff's first mock draft.

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[quote=Chico23231;1144295]Reading a fantasy football article on espn(degenerate loser, I know) ...couple nice stats about Cousins:

20. [B]From Week 7 on in 2015, Kirk Cousins had four different games with at least four total touchdowns.

21. That's the same number of four-TD games that Aaron Rodgers has had since the start of 2014.[/B]
22. [B]There has been one quarterback during the past three seasons to throw for 4,100 yards and rush for five scores. His name is Kirk Cousins.

23. The latest to do it, before Cousins, was Andrew Luck in 2012.[/B]
23a. In 2013, Andrew Luck was the fourth-best quarterback in fantasy.

24. ESPN NFL Nation Redskins reporter John Keim's recent blog post about Kirk Cousins and expectations about his air yards per attempt included this nugget: "After the first Dallas game, the Redskins changed their offensive approach. Offensive coordinator Sean McVay knew he needed to stay more aggressive with the passing game."

25. The "first Dallas game" referenced in No. 24 was in Week 13 last season.

25a. Kirk Cousins from Weeks 1-13: 6.55 yards per pass attempt and 27 pass attempts per touchdown toss.

25b. For comparison, Colin Kaepernick had 6.62 yards per pass attempt last season, while Josh McCown averaged 24.3 attempts per touchdown pass.

26. Kirk Cousins (Weeks 14-17): 9.67 yards per pass attempt and 8.57 attempts per touchdown pass.

26a. For comparison, Tom Brady in 2007, when he was the first QB to throw 50 TDs, put up 8.31 yards per attempt and 11.56 attempts per TD pass. And Peyton Manning, when he set the NFL record for passing yards and TDs in 2013, averaged 8.31 yards per attempt and 11.98 attempts per TD pass.

27. The offensive coaching staff and all offensive starters in the passing game return for Washington. Yet, like Tyrod Taylor, Cousins was not selected in our staff's first mock draft.[/quote]

Let me guess, written by Matthew Berry?

Far be it for me to discredit anything Cousins has done but Berry is an unapologetic Redskins fan and he lets it skew his fantasy analysis. These nuggets definitely cherry pick the positives on Cousins.

He still should absolutely be drafted but whoa nelly on the positive hype for fantasy purposes. I'd take him as the 10-12th best QB in fantasy, something like that.

Still gotta go with guys like Rivers, Big Ben, and Eli over Cousins just because they've done it for longer, and because Cousins will face tougher defenses than what he saw over the 2nd half of last season.

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[quote=Schneed10;1144296]Let me guess, written by Matthew Berry?

Far be it for me to discredit anything Cousins has done but Berry is an unapologetic Redskins fan and he lets it skew his fantasy analysis. These nuggets definitely cherry pick the positives on Cousins.

He still should absolutely be drafted but whoa nelly on the positive hype for fantasy purposes. I'd take him as the 10-12th best QB in fantasy, something like that.

Still gotta go with guys like Rivers, Big Ben, and Eli over Cousins just because they've done it for longer, and because Cousins will face tougher defenses than what he saw over the 2nd half of last season.[/quote]

yup and yup. He states at the beginning of the article to take the following stats as you want and gives an example of how this marks the start of fantasy speculation with being able to skew the stats to make opposite points about the same player:

[url=http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/16260364/100-facts-consider-2016-fantasy-football-season]100 facts to consider for the 2016 fantasy football season[/url]


Good article, starts good debate.

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I'm in a 4 player keeper league and have owned Brady since 02. I'm thinking about letting him go this year and keeping Kirk. Yeah I'm on the bandwagon and drinking the Kool Aid. I just think that he's going to have a great year stats wise, we can't and won't be able to run, and the weapons he has. I think Kirk can be a top 5 fantasy QB, even better than Brady.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1144299]I'm in a 4 player keeper league and have owned Brady since 02. I'm thinking about letting him go this year and keeping Kirk. Yeah I'm on the bandwagon and drinking the Kool Aid. I just think that he's going to have a great year stats wise, we can't and won't be able to run, and the weapons he has. I think Kirk can be a top 5 fantasy QB, even better than Brady.[/QUOTE]



I dont think that is crazy.....at all.

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Adjusted interceptions and adjusted interception rate:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/adjusted-interceptions-2015]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Adjusted Interceptions 2015[/url]

Pay the man.

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Looks like no contract agreement will be reached...

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[QUOTE=OnceWeWereKings;1144512]Looks like no contract agreement will be reached...[/QUOTE]



It will at one point or another. No doubt.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1144512]Looks like no contract agreement will be reached...[/quote]

It's not a bad thing. The team can continue to tag him, if it comes to that.

The impact is plus or minus a couple million on the cap - not a major consequence. I'm happy with the team taking a stance that asks him to prove it one more time before committing a lot of guaranteed money, even if it means giving up a few million per year in cap space in the long run.

He'll stick around.

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If he's playing well I can see a deal being reached midway during the season.

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[quote=OnceWeWereKings;1144512]Looks like no contract agreement will be reached...[/quote]

Makes me nervous. Really nervous. Seeing cousins in another uniform tearing it up in 2017 will be a bad, bad thing. There just must be something about him that they don't like for them to not want to lock him up.

Think to the future for a minute and i wonder what team would be most interested in him this off-season. Guess it depends on how a few teams do with their "new" QB's this year....

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1144536]Makes me nervous. Really nervous. Seeing cousins in another uniform tearing it up in 2017 will be a bad, bad thing. There just must be something about him that they don't like for them to not want to lock him up.



Think to the future for a minute and i wonder what team would be most interested in him this off-season. Guess it depends on how a few teams do with their "new" QB's this year....[/QUOTE]



The only thing they dont like about him is they haven't seen enough of it. So looks like KC still has something to prove. No big deal.