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[quote=jamf;1167800]I don't believe one word.
Cooley later defends DS and BA by saying the drinking leak wasn't from the team but a rogue employee.
What kind of petulant punk goes on the air and swears on his kids? Like that means anything. He can't stand the bad feedback he is getting. Cooley and the leaks are cowardly.[/quote]

Did you listen to both segments? The one on Feb 14th and yesterdays?

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[quote=EternalEnigma21;1167798]I just kind of stopped social networking for a while. I was spending too much time looking at screens.[/quote]

Welcome back

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I sure hope Gruden has enough leadership ability to rise above all this bullshit and put a winning team on the field. At this point he seems the most stable out of everyone at Redskins Park.

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[quote=MTK;1167804]Welcome back[/quote]



Thank you.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167789]This guy is terrible. He is a "hot take" shit journalist who takes everything he's heard and then writes a new take where he makes a lot of assumptions based on taking facts out of context. This is a major issue these days, context. Yeah u get it becuase timing is everything with the story. But this allows him to make these assumptions.

It's fake news, he should work for CNN becuase they use the same formula in their own system of "journalism"[/quote]

sounds like you are describing your posting

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[quote=rickmmrr;1167807]I sure hope Gruden has enough leadership ability to rise above all this bullshit and put a winning team on the field. At this point he seems the most stable out of everyone at Redskins Park.[/quote]

If it wasn't for him I'd be off the rails.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1167807]I sure hope Gruden has enough leadership ability to rise above all this bullshit and put a winning team on the field. At this point he seems the most stable out of everyone at Redskins Park.[/quote]

I got a chance to listen meet Scott Campbell and Moracco Brown talk and take questions at some function Sports Talk 980 put on at Ruth Chris in Arlington a few years ago. Both seemed like sharp guys who knew the business well. Without saying it I got the feeling that their opinions were not always listened to. Campbell is still there and is definitely a level headed, stable guy. Didn't know this but his dad was the old Falcons coach Marion Campbell.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1167811]sounds like you are describing your posting[/quote]

was saying Jason cole is a self promoting dickhead who doesn't really report facts and takes a lotta liberty with the truth. He's doing this to get on the talk shows this coming week. His work in this instance really isn't about the redskins, it's about Jason cole.

Disagreeing is ok with any of my opinions...it's cool.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167821]was saying Jason cole is a self promoting dickhead who doesn't really report facts and takes a lotta liberty with the truth. He's doing this to get on the talk shows this coming week. His work in this instance really isn't about the redskins, it's about Jason cole.

Disagreeing is ok with any of my opinions...it's cool.[/quote]

Fat fuck is a 49er fan like Mike Silver, they have an agenda.

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[quote=Chico23231;1167821]was saying Jason cole is a self promoting dickhead who doesn't really report facts and takes a lotta liberty with the truth. He's doing this to get on the talk shows this coming week. His work in this instance really isn't about the redskins, it's about Jason cole.

Disagreeing is ok with any of my opinions...it's cool.[/quote]

:-) . . . i was just giving you shit . . . lol

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[quote=HTTR;1167794]Good cautions, all around. Something is surely wrong in Ashburnistan, but for the moment, the only thing we can say for sure is that we are still living in the Snyder era. The old MO was meddling. The new MO is having a bickering FO that can't function without help from the Emperor. Same old same old. What we probably won't see is one exec with clear and total football authority.

The who-is-poisoning Kirk intrigue vis-a-vis the FO requires a little more time and sleuthing to understand. Let's gather the suspects in the dining room:

DS -- who personally washed and pressed RG3's jock strap for 2 or 3 years

BA -- who speaks in riddles and whose continued presence is intolerable to the QB

SMc -- who didn't draft KC and seemed to be the person Kirk most wanted to impress (and who is now lying on the floor with a knife in his back; but his own hand seems to be clutching it)

JG -- who devised a brilliant passing scheme for the underdog QB . . . but stood by while 2 of his top 3 receiving weapons were allowed to go.

Okay Sherlocks . . . Who is the villain? Could Kirk be poisoning himself? Could it be like Murder on the Orient Express, where everyone is guilty?

Stay tuned for next week's episode![/quote]

Clever.
One thing is clear the environment at Redskins Park right now is not very good.
How can playing a fun game professionally for a lot of money go so wrong?
Everyone is making a shit ton of money from the owner, GM, Coach all the way down to the kicker. So, how can the Redskins ownership, FO, Coaching staff create a work environment that has become so toxic?
For example:
My understanding is when the Redskins were recently trying to sign Wade Phillips as new Defensive Coordinator he declined. We all heard this:

"According to sources, Phillips was “very concerned about the Redskins overall lack of talent” on the defensive side of the ball. The Redskins, per the source, strongly believe they are only “two or three starters” from fielding a very competitive defense if all their players can remain healthy and get on the field."

An additional source familiar with the situation between the Redskins and Phillips states that Phillips had asked the Redskins front office for assurances that the defense will be a top priority in free agency and the draft. In turn, the Redskins shared more information about future plans than normal because “they wanted to complete the deal before another team acted."
That optimism wasn’t enough to sway Phillips who will now run a defense loaded with talent in Los Angeles and headed by new head coach Sean McVay.

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@DeAngeloHall23

I've purposely stayed off social media the past few days. But I can't be silent any longer. I 100% support @Redskins and Bruce Allen



I wish Scot the best and nothing but success in the future. I enjoyed my time with him. He's a true football guy. Just trust the process!!!!

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[quote=MTK;1167863]@DeAngeloHall23

I've purposely stayed off social media the past few days. But I can't be silent any longer. I 100% support @Redskins and Bruce Allen



I wish Scot the best and nothing but success in the future. I enjoyed my time with him. He's a true football guy. Just trust the process!!!![/quote]

Sounds like brown nosing to stay in the roster by saying I support BA 100%.

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[quote=Defensewins;1167849]Clever.
One thing is clear the environment at Redskins Park right now is not very good.
How can playing a fun game professionally for a lot of money go so wrong?
Everyone is making a shit ton of money from the owner, GM, Coach all the way down to the kicker. So, how can the Redskins ownership, FO, Coaching staff create a work environment that has become so toxic?
For example:
My understanding is when the Redskins were recently trying to sign Wade Phillips as new Defensive Coordinator he declined. We all heard this:

"According to sources, Phillips was “very concerned about the Redskins overall lack of talent” on the defensive side of the ball. The Redskins, per the source, strongly believe they are only “two or three starters” from fielding a very competitive defense if all their players can remain healthy and get on the field."

An additional source familiar with the situation between the Redskins and Phillips states that Phillips had asked the Redskins front office for assurances that the defense will be a top priority in free agency and the draft. In turn, the Redskins shared more information about future plans than normal because “they wanted to complete the deal before another team acted."
That optimism wasn’t enough to sway Phillips who will now run a defense loaded with talent in Los Angeles and headed by new head coach Sean McVay.[/quote]

Thanks for reminding me of this. Jay Gruden is our only savior remaining in the FO, and I'm still not sold on him because he went with Greg Manusky as d-coordinator. If that move fails to pan out we are literally boned.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1167866]Sounds like brown nosing to stay in the roster by saying I support BA 100%.[/quote]

Yup. I don't mind D.Hall and I appreciate the time he's put in with us but he needs to go. It's time to stop relying on a guy who can't stay healthy and hasn't proven himself at a new position that is a massive weakness for us.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1167866]Sounds like brown nosing to stay in the roster by saying I support BA 100%.[/quote]

I agree Hall sounds desperate to do anything for a job, because if we are being honest, he is a backup at best, in this stage of his career..

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I respect Hall for putting his name out there vs all the anonymous BS we usually hear about.

I don't think he saves his job by siding with the team on this.

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The Redskins are also included in those anonymous sources. They didn't comment on the firing but had an unnamed team official ( Bruce Allen) saying that Scot was drinking.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1167899]The Redskins are also included in those anonymous sources. They didn't comment on the firing but had an unnamed team official ( Bruce Allen) saying that Scot was drinking.[/QUOTE]
We don't know who that unnamed official was. People who want to blame BA will say so. I'm looking at the glass half full, and say that I think Allen was trying to take the high road, but was undercut by a rogue associate in the organization.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/05/washington-may-indeed-not-hire-a-g-m/]Washington may indeed not hire a G.M. | ProFootballTalk[/url]

So we gud with no GM? Find it strange...

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[quote=Chico23231;1170292][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/05/washington-may-indeed-not-hire-a-g-m/]Washington may indeed not hire a G.M. | ProFootballTalk[/url]

So we gud with no GM? Find it strange...[/quote]

This is odd, when we consider traditions.. Although I won't be upset with this new strategy, we have capable people in front office (beside botching the plans with Cousins). I remember not too long ago, some teams were interested in stealing Scott Campbell away from us but we blocked the requests or something. I would imagine some of GM duties will fall on Scott, and other duties will go to Doug Williams and BA. We had a good draft (based on paper) without GM, so I am willing to give front office a chance with this new strategy. Still, I'm in wait and see mode due to the Cousins situation..

When we remove the media hype about Cousins, we actually had good off season.

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[quote=Chico23231;1170292][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/05/washington-may-indeed-not-hire-a-g-m/]Washington may indeed not hire a G.M. | ProFootballTalk[/url]

So we gud with no GM? Find it strange...[/quote]

It's all about Smithers protecting his fief.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1170297]It's all about Smithers protecting his fief.[/quote]

Unfortunately how we handled McC affects the job search. How we handled McC says "Even though you may have the title of GM, Bruce Allen is running the show in every facet"

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He may be ready to spread the duties out but they used McCloughan's board, with just a few tweaks, for this past draft. So while I'm very happy with this draft, I'm not ready to pat Allen on the back for it. Most credit should go to McCloughan.

I would much rather see a personnel guy there setting the board.

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Right now...the offseason is won and lost on the Cousins contract. You get it done, we've had the best offseason in a long time, and ill give BA the much deserved credit.

If you don't get it done, its mostly a failure.

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So it seems that the de facto GMs are going to be Doug Williams and Jay Gruden.

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If the current setup works, roll with it. Sounds like Campbell will likely be the main personnel guy anyway, basically replacing McC's main duties. He was never a true GM anyway.

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[quote=MTK;1170303]If the current setup works, roll with it. Sounds like Campbell will likely be the main personnel guy anyway, basically replacing McC's main duties. He was never a true GM anyway.[/quote]

Campbell sounds like he has really developed into a quality personnel guy...I rather promote him to GM than lose him to someone else.

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Probably not a good idea to hire someone right now. That person would have to fit in with the culture and play along with Bruce. Not going to happen. The incumbents know the game. Scot didn't and that's why he's gone.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Bruce-Allen-updates-status-of-Redskins-front-office-GM-search-52640718]Bruce Allen updates status of Redskins' front office, GM search[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1170313]Probably not a good idea to hire someone right now. That person would have to fit in with the culture and play along with Bruce. Not going to happen. The incumbents know the game. Scot didn't and that's why he's gone.[/quote]

My personal opinion is that there is no "specific" GM being hired because typically, the GM that is hired picks his own head coach, etc..

Potentially we could be in Jay Gruden's last two years, maybe less if something catastrophic happens (Think of Jeff Fisher's "extension"). If Gruden gets fired or walks after 2018 season, my guess is they hire a GM who then picks the HC, etc, etc.

If it goes well like Matty said, you roll with it if everything is working

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pretty classy of Scot ....wish him well

[U][url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2017/05/09/exclusive-interview-former-redskins-gm-scot-mccloughan/]Exclusive Interview: Former Redskins GM Scot McCloughan « CBS DC[/url]
[/U]
McCloughan, who was fired by the Redskins in early March, had nothing but kind things to say about his former employer.

“This is a great, classic organization that has a lot of tradition in the past and hopefully they’ll get back to what they did in the past,” he said. “But I just want to say to the fans: It’s awesome. It’s a great organization.”

hmmm, think maybe the "media" might have made this a bigger deal than what it really was?

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Without a doubt. They're always looking for blood!

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/31254/scot-mccloughan-jay-gruden-stands-out-as-talent-evaluator]Scot McCloughan: Jay Gruden stands out as talent evaluator - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

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This is really good thing for Redskins organization - Scot has publicly announced that the divorce was mutual and he has no grudge against Redskins office. And not to mention what skinsfaninok just posted, Scot himself who is well regarded as talented scout evaluator, believes Jay has good scouting talents. Even though I think it would be better had if we keep Scot with the organization, I am not too concerned about the front office anymore..

Of course, there's still a dark cloud over the office regarding Cousins situation. If they eventually sign Cousins to long term, then this whole negative media hype about Redskins in this off season will seem ridiculous.

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Good for Scot for taking the high road. It wouldn't have been a good look for him if he blasted the Skins, deserved or not. And just maybe things aren't as bad as they seem.

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Scot chose to focus on the professional reasons for the mutual departure. For Scot, if he was going to be the public face of the personnel side, but not actually have the final say on things like the QB, then that wouldn't work for me either. I can't stand up there and take the credit or blame if I don't get to make the most important decisions.

And for Bruce, he didn't want to cede the power. Ultimately he's team president and the buck stops with him. I'm not sure I'd want to cede that power either on important decisions like QB.

Scot left the smear campaign out of his comments. Bravo to him for that.

If Bruce is going to keep the decision making power on issues like the long term QB contract, he better be ready to take the heat if things don't work out. It sounds like he knows he needs people around him he can trust on talent evaluation. Luckily I think he has it in Campbell, Santos, and Gruden.

But for God's sakes he better be listening to them on Kirk and be ready to give him a strong offer on July 14. Because if this QB gets away, then Bruce deserves the axe from Snyder.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1170393]Good for Scot for taking the high road. It wouldn't have been a good look for him if he blasted the Skins, deserved or not. And just maybe things aren't as bad as they seem.[/QUOTE]
I've said it all along, Jay and Bruce have a good plan going. Scot was definitely a part of that puzzle but sometimes things don't work out.

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I think McC is a really good dude who struggles with demons...but everytime you hear this guy speak you become more of a fan. I really hope the best for this guy.

[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/31254/scot-mccloughan-jay-gruden-stands-out-as-talent-evaluator]Scot McCloughan: Jay Gruden stands out as talent evaluator - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

I think it was SS who said Gruden status in the org was really rising...Scot had some good things to say about him as a talent evaluator.

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[url=http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/31269/scot-mccloughan-says-kirk-cousins-has-reached-his-ceiling]Scot McCloughan says Redskins' Kirk Cousins has reached his ceiling - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN[/url]

Interesting comments about Kirk.