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Trump is doing what he campaigned on doing. just under half the electorate wanted him to do these things (me included), just under half the electorate didn't want him to.

Personally I still wish the Republican congress (Senators especially) would do what they campaigned on. Heck if all the politicians actually did what they campaigned to do, maybe there would be more faith in our system. Instead all the dems and most republicans make minor policy shifts and raise loud stinks about the other side but ignore what the people sent them to do.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1182396]Trump is doing what he campaigned on doing. just under half the electorate wanted him to do these things (me included), just under half the electorate didn't want him to.[/quote]


No , three million more wanted him not to do the stupid stuff he has done ,than wanted him too. Tax bill isn't his, it's Ryan's which is why it just might pass as for anything else trump hasn't done anything but executive orders and those will be reversed after he is gone.Next year.

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[quote=Giantone;1182406]No , three million more wanted him not to do the stupid stuff he has done ,than wanted him too. Tax bill isn't his, it's Ryan's which is why it just might pass as for anything else trump hasn't done anything but executive orders and those will be reversed after he is gone.Next year.[/quote]

3 million more still equals under the half the voting electorate. Point being that the country is fairly evenly split on a lot of this. When you say the Tax bill isn't his, it is safe to say that under a democratic presidency like Sanders or H Clinton, there would be absolutely 0 chance of the tax reform bill. You and others would obviously love that fact, but the agenda, and reforms that are slowly working through the swamp and morass of the DC bureacracy are the results of an agenda laid down by Pres. Trump.

And he won't be gone next year.

(for the mathematically challenged:
HC 48.2% <50%.
Trump 46.1% <50%)

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Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here like "come on baby, trickle down!"

[IMG]https://www.taxjustice.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/y5.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1182431]3 million more still equals under the half the voting electorate. Point being that the country is fairly evenly split on a lot of this. When you say the Tax bill isn't his, it is safe to say that under a democratic presidency like Sanders or H Clinton, there would be absolutely 0 chance of the tax reform bill. You and others would obviously love that fact, but the agenda, and reforms that are slowly working through the swamp and morass of the DC bureacracy are the results of an agenda laid down by Pres. Trump.

And he won't be gone next year.

(for the mathematically challenged:
HC 48.2% <50%.
Trump 46.1% <50%)[/quote]


LOL, spin it any way you want.The tax bill is Ryan's and he has been at it for a while to say it's trumps agenda is silly. The only thing trump lays down is the hair on his head..Again there would have been tax reform under Sanders and Clinton,they just would not make the middle class pay for the wealthy tax cuts.
48.2% is still more than 46.1 percent in anyone's math.

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[quote=mooby;1182452]Meanwhile, I'm just sitting here like "come on baby, trickle down!"

[IMG]https://www.taxjustice.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/y5.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

LOL, I'm 61 and I still have never seen it.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1182459]LOL, I'm 61 and I still have never seen it.[/QUOTE]


You have a better chance of seeing a unicorn

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[quote=Giantone;1182458]LOL, spin it any way you want.The tax bill is Ryan's and he has been at it for a while to say it's trumps agenda is silly. The only thing trump lays down is the hair on his head..Again there would have been tax reform under Sanders and Clinton,they just would not make the middle class pay for the wealthy tax cuts.
48.2% is still more than 46.1 percent in anyone's math.[/quote]

I have wondered where Trump gets all these ideas from. Like, he's not smart enough to come up with shit on his own.

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In something new and different..............


Steve Bannon is back and he doesn't seem to like Donni Jr!


[url]https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/steve-bannon-is-trumps-frankenstein-monster/549566/[/url]



[url]https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/03/steve-bannon-trump-campaign-russia-meeting-321209[/url]

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I’m so glad Trump has a bigger nuke button than rocket man, I mean seriously WTF

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[quote=MTK;1184940]I’m so glad Trump has a bigger nuke button than rocket man, I mean seriously WTF[/quote]

Teddy Roosevelt said it best:

"I have always been fond of the West African proverb: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."


2018 folks...DT..the very primitive: "my stick is bigger than yours"


Its absurd at the least.

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Kim Jong Un made a call over the hotline to make sure it works. Maybe he is feeling a little bit of pressure, even if it isn't "presidential"

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[quote=Chico23231;1184949]Teddy Roosevelt said it best:

"I have always been fond of the West African proverb: "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."


2018 folks...DT..the very primitive: "my stick is bigger than yours"


Its absurd at the least.[/quote]

He's got the biggest and best stick, I tell ya what. Kim Jong Un has tiny little baby stick, totally unlike DT's massive stick.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1184964]Kim Jong Un made a call over the hotline to make sure it works. Maybe he is feeling a little bit of pressure, even if it isn't "presidential"[/quote]

Heard that had to do with trying to get a contingent from North Korea into the winter olympics but you never know in this day an age.

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Full disclaimer, I already know these stories can't be verified and may contain some false truths, aka fake news. So I won't discuss that, although I'd love to know if Trump really can't be bothered to read anything.

[url]https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lawyer-seeks-to-block-insider-book-on-white-house/ar-BBHQEgE?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

My first question is, aren't books like these that offer inside views of the gov't supposed to be vetted by the gov't before they are allowed to be released? I seem to recall that being a big issue with the Seal Team Six guy who wrote a book about his experiences. IIRC the gov't took his profits from the book because he didn't get clearance to release it firsthand. So I gotta wonder, did they get authorization to release this book first? Surely they knew they wouldn't be able to get away with this if they didn't. So now we have a situation where the gov't authorized the release of this book, and Trump doesn't like all the shit talking so he's trying to have it blocked, or whoever wrote this book thought he wouldn't have to get gov't approval to release it, and it's going to get blocked. Either way should be interesting to see what happens.

Secondly, I will admit I think it's kinda hilarious our neurosurgeon-in-chief was able to exactly pinpoint the moment Steve Bannon lost his mind. Who would've thought it was the moment he got fired from the White House? lolol. I'm glad to know when he was recommending Cabinet members and doing everything else to help his campaign, he was totally of a sound mind.

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This is an "OPINION PIECE"The link says The Salt Lake Tribune but the article says the Washington Post............,still seems like a good read to me .


[url]https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/03/greg-sargent-how-bad-is-the-republican-cover-up-on-trump-and-russia-we-may-soon-find-out/[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1185397]This is an "OPINION PIECE"The link says The Salt Lake Tribune but the article says the Washington Post............,still seems like a good read to me .


[url]https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2018/01/03/greg-sargent-how-bad-is-the-republican-cover-up-on-trump-and-russia-we-may-soon-find-out/[/url][/quote]

I love the headings of articles these days filled with weak language. I've noticed this a ton on CNN.com: "we may soon found out."

And then you click on it and as expected viola, click bait. Wildly speculative and fact-less.

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I love the fact you bitch about CNN and then can't live without it.:D

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[quote=Giantone;1185413]I love the fact you bitch about CNN and then can't live without it.:D[/quote]

I used to rely on CNN as a prominent source of information...its become the worst news spot on the planet because of the double standard it has demonstrated over the last 6-7 years. Now I look at it for entertainment purposes...its easier than ever to see how irrelevant its become due to the shift towards tabloid.

Well here is some facts for you:

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/09/asia/south-korea-north-korea-talks-moon-intl/index.html]South Korea's Moon Jae-In credits Donald Trump with 'huge' contribution to North Korea talks - CNN[/url]

G1, pay heed and give your President some credit. Praise his genius. Trump 1 Rocketman 0

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[quote=Chico23231;1185417]I used to rely on CNN as a prominent source of information...its become the worst news spot on the planet because of the double standard it has demonstrated over the last 6-7 years. Now I look at it for entertainment purposes...its easier than ever to see how irrelevant its become due to the shift towards tabloid.

Well here is some facts for you:

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/09/asia/south-korea-north-korea-talks-moon-intl/index.html]South Korea's Moon Jae-In credits Donald Trump with 'huge' contribution to North Korea talks - CNN[/url]

G1, pay heed and give your President some credit. Praise his genius. Trump 1 Rocketman 0[/quote]
LOL, so you want me to be happy that in the battle of two of the worlds's most fucked up leaders .....trump won.:doh:

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[quote=Giantone;1185432]LOL, so you want me to be happy that in the battle of two of the worlds's most fucked up leaders .....trump won.:doh:[/quote]
The Olympics won.
After the Olympics things will return to a pissing contest.

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[url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-%e2%80%98shithole%e2%80%99-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/ar-AAuzqTo?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

I'm not even surprised Trump referred to countries like Haiti/El Salvador/various African countries as shitholes, nothing he says really surprises me anymore. But in regards to his question as to why only people from shithole countries want to come here, instead of Norwegians, that shouldn't be a tough question to answer. Why would Norwegians want to come here when their quality of life isn't as bad as it is in places like Haiti/Africa?

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Can’t believe a racist said some racist shit, what a turd this guy is

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[quote=mooby;1185495][url]http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-attacks-protections-for-immigrants-from-%e2%80%98shithole%e2%80%99-countries-in-oval-office-meeting/ar-AAuzqTo?li=BBnb7Kz[/url]

I'm not even surprised Drumpf referred to countries like Haiti/El Salvador/various African countries as shitholes, nothing he says really surprises me anymore. But in regards to his question as to why only people from shithole countries want to come here, instead of Norwegians, that shouldn't be a tough question to answer. [B]Why would Norwegians want to come here when their quality of life isn't as bad as it is in places like Haiti/Africa?[/B][/quote]

EXACTLY what I thought when I first heard this.

He literally is the fucking worst.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1185507]EXACTLY what I thought when I first heard this.

He literally is the fucking worst.[/quote]

I thought u/BadDecisionDino on reddit summed it up pretty well:

[quote]
The most offensive part about Trump's comments today wasn't the word "shithole". It was the word "Why".

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

Do people even really understand what our president is saying?

Look, I'm not angry because he calls places "shitholes". I'm a first generation immigrant. I come from a shithole. I lived 10 years in a shithole. I'll freely call it a shithole. I won't get offended if you call it a shithole! It's a shithole! Happy?

But how DARE he use my origin as an excuse to demand an additional reason to explain my presence here? Why is it up to me (but not say, a white Norwegian) to provide some extra level of justification for why I deserve the chance to be an American?

If these places really are shitholes, shouldn't there be an even greater obligation to help people who come from there, specifically because they're in the most danger?

Apparently not. Because Trump sincerely believes that some people deserve the chance to be Americans, and some people do not deserve the chance to be Americans, and your birthplace (and by extension, your race) is a key deciding factor in whether you deserve the chance to be an American.

Trump is practically saying "America is for white people. The rest are interlopers until proven otherwise. Until someone explains to me WHY they're even allowed here." Let's not forget either, that in this particular situation, he's not even talking about illegal immigrants. He doesn't get to even use that old fig-leaf. He's talking about a reconfiguration of who we even allow the chance to become legal, not based on merit, not based on national security, not based on employability, but specifically targeted against the people he happens to hate.

Let's cut the crap. Deep down, we know damn well that he's not talking about your place of origin. Who do you think Trump is more likely to feel is more deserving citizenship? One of those scary Muslims that are "taking over" Norway, or a white South African? Cuz I got a feeling that when he's looking at those people, the calculus for determining whether their home countries count as "shitholes" suddenly changes.

And yet, the media is taking the bait. Already they rush to obfuscate the issue, to absolve him of the real evil of his comment by focusing on the "inappropriate word" he used.

Already, we're having these dumb conversations like "Well, to be fair, Haiti isn't exactly a nice place to live, he's just saying what everyone thinks privately, and he just chose a colorful word to describe it...", and instead of focusing on the racism, we just go "Oh, but look at the pretty beaches of Haiti! It's not a shithole! Look at the natural beauty and rich culture of-" SHUT THE FUCK UP!

What bearing does that debate have on anything?!? As if Trump's greatest sin is not watching the Travel Channel?

What our president said today isn't just boorish, it isn't just cruel. It betrays a deep and insidious level of racism that can only be described as white supremacy. He is literally throwing a tantrum because the "wrong people" are enjoying the benefit of immigration.

And it is so depressing and so terrifying, that even Trump's opponents - the people who represent the best hope we got to survive this regime - are just gonna waltz past that and chide him for his language.

If I'm the one from the shithole, how come Americans are so stupid that they keep falling for this crap over and over?
[/quote]

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where's trumps number one fan chico? im sure this is fake news?

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[quote=dmek25;1185530]where's trumps number one fan chico? im sure this is fake news?[/quote]

Lol I’m not trump no 1 fan even though I like to faux-ala
-Colbert that role to troll the ‘flakes.

If true, much like the Charlottesville comments, then it indefensible. But it’s anonymous sources so far. Which is cowardly imo when u put something out as salacious as this. But assuming it is, it shows a basic lack of understanding of immigration.

In terms of shithole...it’s terrible and unjust he would classified the people as shit. But let’s keep it real, the rulers of most African countries are pure shit. Rife with corruption, violence, etc. They have created these shitholes and hells to live in. We should be happy to accept the best and brightest as well as the persecuted. I work and have worked with a several immigrants from Africa, we need more because my experience has been they are hard workers, they are extremely family oriented and intelligent. They also worked hard to be American citizens and immigrated the right way. They didn’t take short cuts, they did try to illegally come into the country. One has actually told me, they hate those people...illegals because they lie and cheat to be here.

When is Enough ,Enough?
 

Source

[url]https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/dick-durbin-confirms-trump-shithole-comments/[/url]

When is Enough ,Enough?
 

Don’t bother trying to justify or explain it, Trump is just a shitbag of a human being who simply has no business being President

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[quote=Chico23231;1185536]Lol I’m not trump no 1 fan even though I like to faux-ala
-Colbert that role to troll the ‘flakes.

If true, much like the Charlottesville comments, then it indefensible. But it’s anonymous sources so far. Which is cowardly imo when u put something out as salacious as this. But assuming it is, it shows a basic lack of understanding of immigration.

In terms of shithole...it’s terrible and unjust he would classified the people as shit. But let’s keep it real, the rulers of most African countries are pure shit. Rife with corruption, violence, etc. They have created these shitholes and hells to live in. We should be happy to accept the best and brightest as well as the persecuted. I work and have worked with a several immigrants from Africa, we need more because my experience has been they are hard workers, they are extremely family oriented and intelligent. They also worked hard to be American citizens and immigrated the right way. They didn’t take short cuts, they did try to illegally come into the country. One has actually told me, they hate those people...illegals because they lie and cheat to be here.[/quote]

I would even take it a step further and say that developed countries are part of the cause of these countries being shit holes. Cheap extraction of nonrenewable resources to sustain our lifestyle have aided in the exploitation of women and children and helped those in power corrupt the system. To me, we have an obligation.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1185542]I would even take it a step further and say that developed countries are part of the cause of these countries being shit holes. Cheap extraction of nonrenewable resources to sustain our lifestyle have aided in the exploitation of women and children and helped those in power corrupt the system. To me, we have an obligation.[/quote]

[url=http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/14/african-immigrant-population-in-u-s-steadily-climbs/]African immigrant population in U.S. steadily climbs | Pew Research Center[/url]

And we’ve done a great job. I think it’s been a positive windfall for us actually.

Obligation is a bit much...Personally I would love Africa to flourish, but it’s puzzling to see the constant garbage leadership that’s prevalent throughout the continent.

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[quote=MTK;1185541]Don’t bother trying to justify or explain it, Trump is just a shitbag of a human being who simply has no business being President[/quote]

Look...yes. But so is dan Snyder owner redskins...we’re stuck.

I really think the most interesting portion we are missing is the fact we and the media is focused on shithole. We are missing the bigger picture, which is trump doesn’t understand immigration and the most telling is when he said Norway.

Look people in Norway are doing fine and guess what, they wouldn’t want to live here. They see our pop culture, like most in Europe, laugh and say they would never put up with this shit here. It’s tough to blame them for that perception.

What trump is missing is through legal immigration we are gathering the best, most determined people in the world who hold extremely strong core values. To go through the process, pay the expense, and then pick up everything and move them and their family....it’s the balls this country needs and it’s the balls this country was built on. We need to import these folks with these values and hopefully it can show the trifling, bullshit folks...that hey, these people are doing it here with no excuses.

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[quote=Chico23231;1185536]Lol I’m not trump no 1 fan even though I like to faux-ala
-Colbert that role to troll the ‘flakes.[/quote]


I wonder , who is trolling whom?:stop:

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Seems Trumps Supreme Court Justice just got a history lesson.

Very interesting read,I actually like Gorsuch .



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/justice-ginsburg-scorns-apos-history-073539309.html[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1186471]Seems Trumps Supreme Court Justice just got a history lesson.

Very interesting read,I actually like Gorsuch .



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/justice-ginsburg-scorns-apos-history-073539309.html[/url][/quote]

I am asking this sincerely, do you actually read the links you post?

I ask because you have the sentiment backwards. Gorsuch tried to give a history lesson to Ginsburg and the majority.
quotes from your article
[quote]Ginsburg said the ordinary meaning of “tolled” is to stop the clock. The statute of limitations is suspended while the claims are pending in federal court and for 30 days afterwards. That interpretation, she said, is a “natural fit” with the language of the federal supplemental jurisdiction statute.[/quote]
[quote]Gorsuch, in a dissent joined by justices Anthony Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito Jr., accused the majority of abandoning the traditional rule “grown from a rich common law and state statutory tradition” in favor of a new federal rule. The traditional rule, he said, was a 30-day grace period after the claims were dismissed. [/quote]

[quote]Responding to what Ginsburg called Gorsuch’s “history lesson on the ancient common-law principle of ‘journey’s account,’” ...[/quote]

[quote] He ended his dissent with this final dig at the majority:

“The court today clears away a fence that once marked a basic boundary between federal and state power. Maybe it wasn’t the most vital fence and maybe we’ve just simply forgotten why this particular fence was built in the first place. But maybe, too, we’ve forgotten because we’ve wandered so far from the idea of a federal government of limited and enumerated powers that we’ve begun to lose sight of what it looked like in the first place.”[/quote]

It was an interesting read, I just wonder why your summation is backwards from the article's point.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1186478]I am asking this sincerely, do you actually read the links you post?

I ask because you have the sentiment backwards. Gorsuch tried to give a history lesson to Ginsburg and the majority.
quotes from your article







It was an interesting read, I just wonder why your summation is backwards from the article's point.[/quote]



Seriously you think way to hard,you try to find ways to show your superiority and you just can't see. Yes I know it was him making the history lesson to her and if you read the whole thing.."in context" he got one(a lesson) all so. What is the beef,I said I like the guy it was not an attack by me but again an assumption by you.

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[quote=Giantone;1186480]Seriously you think way to hard,you try to find ways to show your superiority and you just can't see. Yes I know it was him making the history lesson to her and if you read the whole thing.."in context" he got one(a lesson) all so. What is the beef,I said I like the guy it was not an attack by me but again an assumption by you.[/quote]
i'm not trying to sound superior, I was honestly curious because you said he got a history lesson, so when I read the article from your link, I was looking at it from the perspective of him receiving one. That is how you framed the link.
But as I read the article I got turned around until I felt like asking an honest question about your comment. I used the quotes so you could see why I was asking what I was.

I don't have a beef, but as Schneed would say, this is a place for "the knowledgeable fan", and when you say he got a history lesson, I read the article looking for that.

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Does anyone want to take a shot at this?



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-apos-refrigerator-upgrade-air-222203328.html[/url]


........and for the Pro trump people(chico)


[url=http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/01/26/new-air-force-one-refrigerators-to-cost-nearly-24-million.html]New Air Force One refrigerators to cost nearly $24 million | Fox News[/url]

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The Shit Show that is our Country!


[url]https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/02/devin-nunes-admits-he-didnt-view-the-underlying-intelligence-his-memo-was-based-on/23351741/[/url]


Devin Nunes, the congressman who authored a disputed memo alleging improper surveillance of Trump associates by the FBI and the Department of Justice, admitted he didn't view the underlying intelligence on which he based the memo.
Nunes made that assertion during an interview on Fox News Friday, hours after the memo was released to the public.
Nunes' remark confirms statements made by his Democratic counterpart on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, who argued that Nunes was not forthcoming in the process of producing the memo.

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[quote=Giantone;1187789]The Shit Show that is our Country!


[url]https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/02/devin-nunes-admits-he-didnt-view-the-underlying-intelligence-his-memo-was-based-on/23351741/[/url]


Devin Nunes, the congressman who authored a disputed memo alleging improper surveillance of Trump associates by the FBI and the Department of Justice, admitted he didn't view the underlying intelligence on which he based the memo.
Nunes made that assertion during an interview on Fox News Friday, hours after the memo was released to the public.
Nunes' remark confirms statements made by his Democratic counterpart on the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, who argued that Nunes was not forthcoming in the process of producing the memo.[/quote]

LOL, love to see giantone and other libs freaking out about this damning memo. With his link, giantone just repeated a lie of omission, kinda like the FBI did in its FISA application!

Here's the reason Nunes didn't read the FISA application himself:

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Js4TMKutCo"](Skip to 1:00 to hear what the libs are trying to twist into an anti-Nunes talking point. Listen to the whole interview for more facts about the investigation Dems are trying desperately to distract from.)[/URL]

The FBI allowed one individual to read the FISA warrant application and Chairman Nunes decided that Trey Gowdy, a former prosecutor, would be the best person to review such a technical legal document.

How the hell the FBI can dictate such terms to Congress, which is supposed to have some oversight on such matters, is puzzling.

But wow, what a shit show that Obama corrupted the DOJ so badly, just like he corrupted the IRS (Lois Lerner and "improper" partisan IRS activities).