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Just because rocnrik has your panties in a bunch doesn't mean their isn't validation to the argument that Flacco's contract has hurt the Ravens.

The reason those articles you posted were written is because everyone keeps pointing out here in B-more how bad the ROI is on his contract.

If you disagree so be it.

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Sorry, it just hasn’t been the main factor. Believing so is very short sighted. They’ve been able to make plenty of moves, they just haven’t drafted well as of late and injuries have hurt them.

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Oh by the way Joe Girardi got fired, here is an article about it:

[url=http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21166583/joe-girardi-not-returning-manager-new-york-yankees]Joe Girardi not returning as manager of New York Yankees[/url]

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I wore panties once. In college, in the middle of hooking up with a chick and she just stopped and said we are not going any farther unless i put on her panties. Needless to say, I didnt hesitate.

re ravens - they have huge dead money issues but that didnt stop them from signing Weedle, Tony Jefferson, re-sign brandon williams .. of course they had to let osmele go.

Also ozzie has drafted horribly. i cant think of a single 1 or 2nd rounder that is contributing.

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[quote=MTK;1177745]Sorry, it just hasn’t been the main factor. Believing so is very short sighted. They’ve been able to make plenty of moves, they just haven’t drafted well as of late and injuries have hurt them.[/quote]

Dude, he is the largest cap hit this season and is ranked 30th among-est QBs, that is a major factor. I definitely would not want the Skins to be in that position down the road with KC.

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/]NFL Salary Rankings | Spotrac[/url]

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr]NFL Total Quarterback Rating - National Football League - ESPN[/url]


On a positive note our boy KC is shiny and bright at #5 on the stats and 3rd biggest cap hit. Decent ROI.

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[quote=over the mountain;1177747][B]I wore panties once. In college, in the middle of hooking up with a chick and she just stopped and said we are not going any farther unless i put on her panties. Needless to say, I didnt hesitate.[/B]

re ravens - they have huge dead money issues but that didnt stop them from signing Weedle, Tony Jefferson, re-sign brandon williams .. of course they had to let osmele go.

Also ozzie has drafted horribly. i cant think of a single 1 or 2nd rounder that is contributing.[/quote]

Any guy would do that! Very few would share the story. =)

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We seem to be talking about two different things. Is Flacco worth the money right now given how poorly he’s playing? Hell no.

Is his contract the reason they’re not competitive? No. Has his contract severely restricted the teams’ ability to make moves? Another hell no.

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Flacco is no where near the QB Kirk is

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[quote=MTK;1177751]We seem to be talking about two different things. Is Flacco worth the money right now given how poorly he’s playing? Hell no.

[B]Is his contract the reason they’re not competitive? No. Has his contract severely restricted the teams’ ability to make moves? Another hell no.[/B][/quote]

I disagree with you and you may very well be right. From my perspective and a lot folks here in B-more those questions would be answered with yes.

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Flacco's contract is not helping. Matty I wholeheartedly agree with you that it is not preventing them from being good. If you're going to carry a very heavy QB contract, it means you've got to draft well to make up for it. If you don't draft well, you're left with little cap space to make up for it.

Drafting well is job 1, but if you fail at it you'd like to have cap space to try to make up for it. It's simple risk management.

Overpaying a QB like Flacco removes your margin for error. You either draft well during the heavy QB contract, or you are stuck with sucking. You have no recourse.

That Ravens situation still shouldn't be applied to the Redskins and Cousins blindly though, simply because I think Cousins is better than Flacco. But signing Cousins to a highest-paid-player type contract is akin to pushing all your chips to the center of the table. You're saying I'm going to draft well for the next 5 years to keep my roster stocked and support my QB who needs the support, and if I don't, then we suck.

Teams with QBs like Brady, Rodgers and Wentz don't have to think that way. If they miss on some picks in the draft, their QB can still pull a rabbit out of a hat.

I still can't make up my mind on Cousins. No matter what you're pushing a boulder up a hill. Let him go and you start the process to find a new QB, which can take 20 years. Keep him, and you start the process of being perfect in the draft for the next 5 years. Hard choice.

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[quote=Schneed10;1177758]Flacco's contract is not helping. Matty I wholeheartedly agree with you that it is not preventing them from being good. If you're going to carry a very heavy QB contract, it means you've got to draft well to make up for it. If you don't draft well, you're left with little cap space to make up for it.

Drafting well is job 1, but if you fail at it you'd like to have cap space to try to make up for it. It's simple risk management.

Overpaying a QB like Flacco removes your margin for error. You either draft well during the heavy QB contract, or you are stuck with sucking. You have no recourse.

That Ravens situation still shouldn't be applied to the Redskins and Cousins blindly though, simply because I think Cousins is better than Flacco. But signing Cousins to a highest-paid-player type contract is akin to pushing all your chips to the center of the table. You're saying I'm going to draft well for the next 5 years to keep my roster stocked and support my QB who needs the support, and if I don't, then we suck.

Teams with QBs like Brady, Rodgers and Wentz don't have to think that way. If they miss on some picks in the draft, their QB can still pull a rabbit out of a hat.

I still can't make up my mind on Cousins. No matter what you're pushing a boulder up a hill. Let him go and you start the process to find a new QB, which can take 20 years. Keep him, and you start the process of being perfect in the draft for the next 5 years. Hard choice.[/quote]


While it currently seems like Balt is over-paying Flacco, they had no choice but to sign him coming off his perfect Super Bowl run. Had they let him walk Raven fans would have gone berserk. Timing is everything and Flacco timed his big performance to perfection. Flacco is the easy scapegoat for Balt's problems when its not all his fault.

While I don't think Flacco's contract has caused Balt's problems, I do know that football is a dependent game where every player is dependent on the other players for success and no position is more dependent that the QB. Right now the players Flacco is dependent on aren't producing and as a result he looks worse than he really is.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1177753]Flacco is no where near the QB Kirk is[/quote]

lol.

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[quote=irish;1177768]While it currently seems like Balt is over-paying Flacco, they had no choice but to sign him coming off his perfect Super Bowl run. Had they let him walk Raven fans would have gone berserk. Timing is everything and Flacco timed his big performance to perfection. Flacco is the easy scapegoat for Balt's problems when its not all his fault.

While I don't think Flacco's contract has caused Balt's problems, I do know that football is a dependent game where every player is dependent on the other players for success and no position is more dependent that the QB. Right now the players Flacco is dependent on aren't producing and as a result he looks worse than he really is.[/quote]

Certainly fair. Also explains why Cousins shows as one of the top 5 rated passers yet the eye test says he's not. Cousins is surrounded by an offensive line that can turn screen passes to Chris Thompson from 8 yard plays into 80 yard plays.

Flacco and Cousins have one thing in common - they're not going to elevate the play of those around them. Committing them means you need to create the near perfect surrounding cast or you're going to bump your head on 10-6.

I think we're saying the same thing just differently.

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[quote=Schneed10;1177772]Certainly fair. Also explains why Cousins shows as one of the top 5 rated passers yet the eye test says he's not. Cousins is surrounded by an offensive line that can turn screen passes to Chris Thompson from 8 yard plays into 80 yard plays.

Flacco and Cousins have one thing in common - they're not going to elevate the play of those around them. Committing them means you need to create the near perfect surrounding cast or you're going to bump your head on 10-6.

I think we're saying the same thing just differently.[/quote]

I think we are too.

Cousins is never going to be Brady or Rogers but those guys don't come along often. I do think KC is as good as or better than Flacco, Brees or Wilson and those guys have all won SBs. The Skins can win a SB with KC but I agree that he will need a very good supporting cast to do it.

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Figured I would put these here, vs the Garrapolo thread:
Cap space / # of players on roster for 2018
Jets - 63M / 40 they will be in the KC market
Skins - 58M / 41
Browns - 54 / 53 I can't see KC choosing to go here
Cardinals - 33M/ 32 they have a lot of re-signing to do, but could make a pitch
Ravens - 10M / 49 I don't see it, but it would keep KC in the region and they might be done with Flacco
Jags - 2.5M / 49 They would have to do some SERIOUS cap juggling.

bottom line:

We will have the ability to keep KC, the question remains is the desire there on both sides...

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[url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/10/nfl-quarterback-rankings-week-7-redskins-kirk-cousins-supporting-cast-contract]NFL QB power rankings, Week 7: No quarterback has it easier than Kirk Cousins | For The Win[/url]

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Interesting article.
Not sure the numbers can accurately reflect what is going on in the game with different personnel but it's is interesting and I agree with most of the rankings.

I recommend everyone listen to [URL="http://www.espn980.com/audio-vault/#"]Chris Cooleys Film Breakdown.[/URL] Hour 2 for 10/31/17 if the link doesn't work.

the TL:DR: KC made some nice quick reads but also missed a few big plays would've put us in a good position to win the game.

Cooley has mentioned a few times this year that Gruden is calling good plays and WRs are getting open but they aren't "Open Enough" for KC.



I like KC and most importantly I like having a competent QB but I'm scared that if we overpay for this guy, we won't be able to put talent around him to make him shine.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1178449][url=http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/10/nfl-quarterback-rankings-week-7-redskins-kirk-cousins-supporting-cast-contract]NFL QB power rankings, Week 7: No quarterback has it easier than Kirk Cousins | For The Win[/url][/quote]

Looking at that list just makes me shack my head. The nfl is so starved for the next Brady/ Montana/ Rogers etc... anytime a rookie or 2nd year QB has a string of good games he is the next QB Jesus.

Carr is now ranked below KC, Carr was like the pre-season lock for MVP, greatest ever bs, etc....now Weintz is the next QB Jesus until he hits a rough patch.

They like to build you up but they love to tear you down more.

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QB power rankings lol

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1178474]Looking at that list just makes me shack my head. The nfl is so starved for the next Brady/ Montana/ Rogers etc... anytime a rookie or 2nd year QB has a string of good games he is the next QB Jesus.

Carr is now ranked below KC, Carr was like the pre-season lock for MVP, greatest ever bs, etc....now Weintz is the next QB Jesus until he hits a rough patch.

They like to build you up but they love to tear you down more.[/QUOTE]Yeah and the fact that they have Dak at 4 is a joke, do they not watch him play?? He's got the best OL and RB combo in the NFL and he literally has 200 yards a game passing. I have never understood the hype around him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1178477]Yeah and the fact that they have Dak at 4 is a joke, do they not watch him play?? He's got the best OL and RB combo in the NFL and he literally has 200 yards a game passing. I have never understood the hype around him.

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Ha! I had to go back to see that on first glance Dak at 4 was so unbelievable my brain didn't even register it.

It also says Dak is in the MVP talk. I mean come on.

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I just want KC to start taking more chances downfield. He's become too much of a system guy, go where the read takes you blah blah blah. When he finally threw the ball to Doc he got a PI and then a TD. Yeah I know he dropped one but so what. You have to keep going to him. Throw some up to Pryor, he may or may not catch it but there's a good chance for PI.

I watched some of the Texans game on You Tube and Watson was really pushing the ball downfield against Seattle. Giving his wr's chances to make plays on the ball. I'm so impressed with that kid.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1178488]I just want KC to start taking more chances downfield. He's become too much of a system guy, [B]go where the read takes you[/B] blah blah blah. [/quote]

Im a cousins fan but that was my biggest knock on him, he would go where the read takes him. Well, good defenses and coaches know that and can manipulate Cousins to go where they want him to go.

With D jax, if he had single high safety or 1-on-1 coverage, he would go to D Jax. This year with the same looks, it seems Cousins doesnt have the trust to let Pryor or Doctson make a play, win the 1-on-1 battle.

We need a run game. Weve needed a run game for 4 years or so now ... would hate to see where this team is without Cousins the past few years.

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[QUOTE=mredskins;1178482]Ha! I had to go back to see that on first glance Dak at 4 was so unbelievable my brain didn't even register it.

It also says Dak is in the MVP talk. I mean come on.[/QUOTE]Let's see what his numbers look like now without zeke. I bet they win 2 games in that span

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Sadly, with that offensive line, Morris can step right in and do about the same things (except receiving out of the backfield).

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[quote=NC_Skins;1178449][URL="http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/10/nfl-quarterback-rankings-week-7-redskins-kirk-cousins-supporting-cast-contract"]NFL QB power rankings, Week 7: No quarterback has it easier than Kirk Cousins | For The Win[/URL][/quote]

Yes, no quarterback has it easier than Kirk Cousins, where his only "healthy" offensive lineman has two sprained ankles.

I don't even need to click it to know that shit is garbage.

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So the Raiders gave Carr $25 Million a year and it’s obvious Cousins is a better QB and possibly better than Stafford too. What does Cousins get next year? $30 million/year?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1179071]So the Raiders gave Carr $25 Million a year and it’s obvious Cousins is a better QB and possibly better than Stafford too. What does Cousins get next year? $30 million/year?[/quote]

he's not better than Carr or Stafford. He's right behind them tho

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1179071]So the Raiders gave Carr $25 Million a year and it’s obvious Cousins is a better QB and possibly better than Stafford too. What does Cousins get next year? $30 million/year?[/QUOTE]



Probably

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1179071]So the Raiders gave Carr $25 Million a year and it’s obvious Cousins is a better QB and possibly better than Stafford too. What does Cousins get next year? $30 million/year?[/quote]

He gets the market rate for an above-average starting quarterback, which is typically 14.5% of the salary cap. Assuming the cap rises next year, that's what the number will be.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1179075]he's not better than Carr or Stafford. He's right behind them tho[/quote]

Who outplayed Carr? Carr is good, but I take Cousins any day.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1179079]Who outplayed Carr? Carr is good, but I take Cousins any day.[/quote]

Carr is playing hurt this yr, Kirk is my guy don't get me wrong but he doesn't have the talent those guys have, esp arm wise. Kirk will be a consistent top 12 QB though until he's done

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Guess Kirk isn't going to be done in DC.


[url]https://twitter.com/jsteelznskins/status/929881677052153856[/url]
[B]@jsteelznskins
Reason why San Fran traded for Qb . Kirk .. Trans Tag. U are it .QB for a couple more years . Skins plan to pay the man or match[/B]

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Who is that?
Does he have any insider info?

The reason SF traded for a QB is because they had an opportunity to get a QB.
Also, that qb isn’t going to ask for $150 mil next year.

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[quote=jamf;1179735]Who is that?
Does he have any insider info?

The reason SF traded for a QB is because they had an opportunity to get a QB.
Also, that qb isn’t going to ask for $150 mil next year.[/quote]


Yes he does have insider info.

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If we tag Kirk again we might as well quit on the 2018 season. That would cripple us

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1179812]If we tag Kirk again we might as well quit on the 2018 season. That would cripple us

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Not a transition tag it wouldn't. A exclusive FT would.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1179818]Not a transition tag it wouldn't. A exclusive FT would.[/quote]

Transition tags would also leave us open to another team putting in some horseshit poison pill nonsense that would make it impossible for us to keep him.

I want to get my hopes up, but damn I don't want to get my hopes up. Only we can be so financially loose over two decades with everybody else' players, then drag out a qb extension over 3 years (which is unheard of in the NFL).

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Case Keenum wouldn't be a bad Plan B if Cousins signs elsewhere. Keenum went after Josh Norman yesterday, making him look like a pretty ordinary CB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1179812]If we tag Kirk again we might as well quit on the 2018 season. That would cripple us

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I don't see it that way at all. The Redskins will have plenty of cap room going into 2018, I think around 65 million or so, that's not counting any cuts. Do you bring back Reed? So there will be enough to sign KC and add some free agents.