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Franchise Cousins and then trade him and Gruden to the Bengals?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184608]Agree on Baker he's a baller.

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Damn straight, but what would we have to give up to move up to get him? This team has a lot of holes to plug to get back to the playoffs. I like the idea of getting the kid from Wyoming. He plays in a pro style offense and shows a lot of promise. He would fall to us easily. I would take Baker Mayfield in a heartbeat, but we need all the quality picks we can get(keep).

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[quote=Chico23231;1184618]Dude look at the body of work and chill the fuck out[/quote]

The body of work is an under .500 record with no playoff wins and lots of choking. His body of work is cute stats and big losses.

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In fairness to Cousins, he was awful today, but his wr's were just as bad. WTF happened to Crowder? I think I'm going to just call Doc Charmin.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1184627]Franchise Cousins and then trade him and Gruden to the Bengals?[/quote]

Just let the guy go!!!!! Gruden should be canned. Without McVay he is nothing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184630]In fairness to Cousins, he was awful today, but his wr's were just as bad. WTF happened to Crowder? I think I'm going to just call Doc Charmin.[/quote]

Doctson is oh-so-soft!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1184624]I've lost faith in the entire organization.[/quote]

It took you till this game for that? Lol. You are BraveHeart!!!

I agree tho, besides Cleveland, over last 25 years, our pit of misery is deeper down than anyone elses. Dilly Dilly!!

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184630]In fairness to Cousins, he was awful today, but his wr's were just as bad. WTF happened to Crowder? I think I'm going to just call Doc Charmin.[/quote]

I agree, but that is just one reason not to sign Kirk, even if he has the slightest interest in staying. Not only doesn't the team have a Wr corp, we have a problem stopping the run. Not to mention we don't have any really good running backs not named Thompson. Depth is a major problem.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1184625]Cousins just punched his ticket out of DC. I'm fine if he's gone. The guy can put up stats, but cannot win games.

I'd be okay if Snyder steps in and cleans house by firing the entire front office. Let's star from scratch. We have some young talent to build upon.

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This! To me, this is the barebones truth. He'll always have great numbers in a vacuum, but if you see when they happen, it comes up a lot more empty than it looks like on the back of a football card.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184635]It took you till this game for that? Lol. You are BraveHeart!!!

I agree tho, besides Cleveland, over last 25 years, our pit of misery is deeper down than anyone elses. Dilly Dilly!![/quote]

In a way it is worse. We are always teased somehow that every season we have a shot at it. I have family in Cleveland, they just accept the mediocrity , and roll with it. They know just before week one that the season already is in the dumpster. We Skins fans torture ourselves to death thinking we can always take the division, when we know deep down we don't have the horses to get the job done.

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I'd like to regroup and get Kirk some weapons and some of his guys back. He played like shit today but the sky isn't falling. This has been a rag tag team for the last several weeks.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184637]This! To me, this is the barebones truth. He'll always have great numbers in a vacuum, but if you see when they happen, it comes up a lot more empty than it looks like on the back of a football card.[/quote]

It is all about the Ws and the guy's W-L percentage is in the range of Gus Frerotte's. I laughed my ass off back in 1998-99 when Gus actually wanted a raise to be resigned. For what? Head butting another wall?

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1184641]I'd like to regroup and get Kirk some weapons and some of his guys back. He played like shit today but the sky isn't falling. This has been a rag tag team for the last several weeks.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. This game doesn’t sum up his season. Or career. As bad as it was.

I’m less concerned about Cousins than I am Gruden. How can you let a 2 win division rival with zero to play for bully you? Can we get the other Gruden in here? Or better still, Cowher?


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[quote=skinsfan69;1184641]I'd like to regroup and get Kirk some weapons and some of his guys back. He played like shit today but the sky isn't falling. This has been a rag tag team for the last several weeks.[/quote]

Kirk is a starting QB, and that is it. He has shown his max potential and like you said has no talent to work with. This guy hasn't done anything to warrant a raise, a raise mind you, that might keep us from getting better talent or keeping the guys that show promise. Do we keep a QB, but always have him surrounded by a rather talent deficient team, or dump the average QB and surround the new guy with a lot of talent? It is a damned if we do, damned if we don't type thing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184641]I'd like to regroup and get Kirk some weapons and some of his guys back. He played like shit today but the sky isn't falling. This has been a rag tag team for the last several weeks.[/quote]

You are right good post, my anger got the best of me earlier. Plus who
Is to say Baker won’t be the 1st QB picked by the Browns.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1184626]It sucks, but it really was just one game. :/[/QUOTE]



One really ugly game! Ouch!


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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184629]The body of work is an under .500 record with no playoff wins and lots of choking. His body of work is cute stats and big losses.[/quote]

Was today a big loss? It sounds like some people are mad we didn't finish the season on a strong note today.

S/N what happened to the notion of fielding the best 53, and winning a SB like that? Do people realize Kirk has a 24 million cap hit this year? Adding another few mil onto that is not going to break our backs.

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[quote=calia;1184643]Agreed. This game doesn’t sum up his season. Or career. As bad as it was.

I’m less concerned about Cousins than I am Gruden. How can you let a 2 win division rival with zero to play for bully you? Can we get the other Gruden in here? Or better still, Cowher?


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Doesn't sum up his career? Surely you jest!!!!!

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Great way to kick off the year. :(

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184641]I'd like to regroup and get Kirk some weapons and some of his guys back. He played like shit today but the sky isn't falling. This has been a rag tag team for the last several weeks.[/quote]

This has been a rag tag group almost since Gruden came aboard. Remember 2015? We were ravaged by injuries as well. Our FA Wrs stayed healthy for the most part.

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Thank goodness we didn’t play the Browns today. Could you imagine being the team to end both winless streaks? And it would have happened too.

I’ll bet Mara ensures we play the NYG at home every week 17 from now on. Crazy how bad we are in that setting.


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Like I keep saying, Kirk is baffling. There are one or two games a year where a truly top-10 QB needs to take control and make a statement. There are plenty of excuses for what happened today (blah, blah, blah), but Kirk has to own up to his part. I know he's the best statistical QB ever to play for us, but I don't trust him to win a playoff game.

Dan and Bruce have driven the bus into a ditch, and we're going to be here for a while.

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[quote=mooby;1184648]Was today a big loss? It sounds like some people are mad we didn't finish the season on a strong note today.

S/N what happened to the notion of fielding the best 53, and winning a SB like that? Do people realize Kirk has a 24 million cap hit this year? Adding another few mil onto that is not going to break our backs.[/quote]

Losing another week 17 game to a divisional opponent, and a shitty one at that, is kind of a big deal. Especially with .500 on the line. He just doesn't have the goods when you need the goods. He can't beat Giants or Cowboys. So every year we're automatic for 3 or 4 losses. If we resign him obviously I'll root for him, but after another meltdown, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184666]Losing another week 17 game to a divisional opponent, and a shitty one at that, is kind of a big deal. Especially with .500 on the line. He just doesn't have the goods when you need the goods. He can't beat Giants or Cowboys. So every year we're automatic for 3 or 4 losses. If we resign him obviously I'll root for him, but after another meltdown, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.[/quote]

Who do you want to bring in here that's better than Cousins? Deshawn Watson isn't in this draft. You can keep Alex Smith or Andy Dalton. Everyone has a hard on for Baker Mayfield, he certainly makes plays with both his arm and legs.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1184666]Losing another week 17 game to a divisional opponent, and a shitty one at that, is kind of a big deal. [B]Especially with .500 on the line[/B]. He just doesn't have the goods when you need the goods. He can't beat Giants or Cowboys. So every year we're automatic for 3 or 4 losses. If we resign him obviously I'll root for him, but after another meltdown, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.[/quote]

I can't take you seriously because of this line. Nobody in the NFL gets amped up to finish the season at .500. Would it be a solid statement to make after all the injuries? Sure. But it's nowhere near the same as finishing the season strong trying to make a playoff run or just get in.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1184668]Who do you want to bring in here that's better than Cousins? Deshawn Watson isn't in this draft. You can keep Alex Smith or Andy Dalton. Everyone has a hard on for Baker Mayfield, he certainly makes plays with both his arm and legs.[/quote]

No one we draft will be as good year 1, but we're a 7-9 team. Paying 30 million for an 8-8ish ceiling isn't worth it to me. We can sign guys to long term contracts and bring in a QB that gets a year to learn, and that is worth the risk to me .

Is giving a mediocre qb 30 million worth not having a better option for 1 year?

I just don't see Kirk ever winning a SB, and that's the only thing that matters.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1184668]Who do you want to bring in here that's better than Cousins? Deshawn Watson isn't in this draft. You can keep Alex Smith or Andy Dalton. Everyone has a hard on for Baker Mayfield, he certainly makes plays with both his arm and legs.[/QUOTE]U don't know that though and Watson has had 2 huge knees. He may be done if it happens again

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[quote=mooby;1184669]I can't take you seriously because of this line. Nobody in the NFL gets amped up to finish the season at .500. Would it be a solid statement to make after all the injuries? Sure. But it's nowhere near the same as finishing the season strong trying to make a playoff run or just get in.[/quote]

The people who had the over on 7.5 wins (me) take it serious.

Listening to every former Redskins player this week, they weren't pumped for the game. They wanted a good showing but more than anything no injuries.

I don't know how important .500 was to the team or players. I have a feeling it wasn't. Whether it should be is up for debate.

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[quote=mooby;1184669]I can't take you seriously because of this line. Nobody in the NFL gets amped up to finish the season at .500. Would it be a solid statement to make after all the injuries? Sure. But it's nowhere near the same as finishing the season strong trying to make a playoff run or just get in.[/quote]

That was an add on to my point, and I do think a lot of fans/players value being .500+ vs. under that. This site proves it from other threads, on the fan side. I see your point tho. At the end of the day 7-9 is the same as 8-8 if no playoffs.

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Swearinger said it stunk to not finish 8-8. There is just something to not losing more than you win. A pride thing, even if no difference on making playoffs.

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Again I say if kirk would sign a salary cap friendly deal, then I say sign him. If not, then I say to get something for him and send him packing. He is not worth anywhere near 27 million. Colt can probably do that well and save us several million to get help else where. I would start with a top notch RB.

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So what’s a “cap friendly deal” exactly?

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[quote=MTK;1184688]So what’s a “cap friendly deal” exactly?[/quote]

This is really the jist of everything. It can be similarly phrased as how much is he worth? Unfortunately the answer is getting more difficult, not easier.

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We just paid him $24m this year so let’s add 10% and go from there. If you think he needs to take less you’re simply not being realistic.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1184697]We just paid him $24m this year so let’s add 10% and go from there. If you think he needs to take less you’re simply not being realistic.[/QUOTE]I agree and 27-28 is what they should come to agreement on. Someone is going to offer that much. Over 28 and you have to consider letting him go.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1184508]They should take your money away from you for starting Cousins at all. Lol


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Ha! No one saw a 3 int performance coming from Cousins against that secondary,but once again Skins found a way to sink lower.
Somehow I still managed to win 25 bucks with that lineup even with Cousins in it:)

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I think Cousins could be better under a well established QB smart head coach.


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[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;1184710]I think Cousins could be better under a well established QB smart head coach.


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One thing I will say, don't let contract negotiations linger on. The team needs to start now in building for 2018. So, let's take the guessing game out of this and get a deal down right away, or let's plan to move on and put a plan in place for 2018. As much as I like Cousins, you can't allow him to string this along deep into the offseason.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1184634]Doctson is oh-so-soft![/quote]My nickname for Doctson all year has been Softy. Dude is allergic to contact. How I long for Pierre Garcon!