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[quote=skinsfaninok;1187232]Bro this is a WIN NOW league, we all know this.. Yeah it sucks losing Fuller (who apparently didn't even know) but its the NFL in today's world.. You can replace a CB much easier than a QB..

Would you rather have KF and Colt Mccoy starting or some rookie that is a huge ? Not me, I am tired of the "we will just ride it out" No I want to start winning now, and so does Jay.[/quote]

We went 7-9 this year. We put Smith under center for last season does the pendulum swing at all? I just don't see it. I am not sure how this move gets us any closer to the playoffs let alone vying for a division title.

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We've got a proven QB for 5 years at a reasonable price. That's a good move.

Somebody said a 3rd for KC is definitely a loss, but we were not getting anything other than that, and bottom line we got him with a 4th, paid him his salary, and now we get a 3rd back. It's more of a wash then a loss. Had he panned out here great, but he didn't and we get our pick back.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1187231]Fuller is a player that's on the upswing. You simply can not trade a young, corner that you drafted for an old QB that doesn't throw downfield. So yes as I said, Colt could most likely do what Smith does. They should have went w/ Colt, signed a vet, keep the draft pick. They could have grabbed a QB in the 3rd round. Smith isn't taking you all the way anyway. This is Bruce Allen's way of doing business. Piss away draft picks just like his dad.[/QUOTE]


Smith was the best deep ball QB last year. He led the league in yards and passer rating on deep throws.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1187254]Thinking about it, this is actually the best option the front office had. For one, they knew they were not going to keep KC at the price they wanted. So if KC walked in FA, Washington does not get any compensation.

When KC left in FA, what were the options? Overpay for Keenum/Bradford/Bridgewater?

This path was the best option. They get a proven veteran at the price they can manage. They also get a compensatory pick. Something they would not have gotten had KC left as a free agent.

It was not a 'blockbuster' but it was the best option available. Best news is they ended the Cousins drama before it could get another head of steam.[/quote]

Agree with all of this

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So Smith would have been a free agent and we're trading away the best slot corner in the league AND giving up a pick?

I'm back and forth on this trade without the Fuller inclusion. I think Cousins might have priced himself out of the market, so the Smith deal MIGHT have made sense.

Argh, Redskins.

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[quote=MTK;1187258]Smith was the best deep ball QB last year. He led the league in yards and passer rating on deep throws.[/quote]

[url]https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards[/url]

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1187260]So Smith would have been a free agent and we're trading away the best slot corner in the league AND giving up a pick?

I'm back and forth on this trade without the Fuller inclusion. I think Cousins might have priced himself out of the market, so the Smith deal MIGHT have made sense.

Argh, Redskins.[/quote]

He wasn't a FA

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection;1187260]So Smith would have been a free agent and we're trading away the best slot corner in the league AND giving up a pick?

I'm back and forth on this trade without the Fuller inclusion. I think Cousins might have priced himself out of the market, so the Smith deal MIGHT have made sense.

Argh, Redskins.[/QUOTE]Smith wasn't going to be a free agent, Cleveland was in talks with KC, and probably others. Someone was trading for him.

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AHHhHHH, my fault. Totally thought he was going to be available.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1187260]So Smith would have been a free agent and we're trading away the best slot corner in the league AND giving up a pick?

I'm back and forth on this trade without the Fuller inclusion. I think Cousins might have priced himself out of the market, so the Smith deal MIGHT have made sense.

Argh, Redskins.[/quote]

The back breaker is Fuller. Its pure incompetence...absolutely no excuse.

The decision makers once again fucked us.

If Alex Smith was on this team last year he would have been abysmal.



I cant stress this enough, our top fucking focus isn't defense, nor WR, nor special teams.......if we don't fix the run game this offseason, double digit losses next year. Draft a RB , pay a free agent and pay/draft a LG.

pin this, time stamp it. double digit losses if we don't fix the running game.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1187254]Thinking about it, this is actually the best option the front office had. For one, they knew they were not going to keep KC at the price they wanted. So if KC walked in FA, Washington does not get any compensation.

When KC left in FA, what were the options? Overpay for Keenum/Bradford/Bridgewater?

This path was the best option. They get a proven veteran at the price they can manage. They also get a compensatory pick. Something they would not have gotten had KC left as a free agent.

It was not a 'blockbuster' but it was the best option available. Best news is they ended the Cousins drama before it could get another head of steam.[/quote]

Applauding the FO for this move is silly. They created this mess when they shit all over themselves handling KC and now I am supposed to be happy with them cleaning up the mess they made the best they can? I expect more from my kids than people expect from the Redskins FO.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1187206]I like Alex Smith as a player but he is not the future at QB for the Skins. I would not be a bit surprised if the Skins draft our QB of the future in the 1st or 2nd Round of this years draft. Smith will probably be our starter for two years while an apprentice studies under him.

Concerning the trade values: If we trade a 3rd Rounder to KC and pick up a 3rd Round compensatory pick for losing KC, isn't that a wash on the picks? So we only gave up Kendall Fuller in trade for Smith. How is that a bad trade?[/quote]

Time value of money (pick) makes a 2018 3rd > 2019 3rd

not insanely but still not equal.

All that being said I was pissed about this last night but have since come around. I think that Smith will be better in Jay's system than KC was and this gives us freedom in the draft (my hope is move back 6-8 spots pick up another 2nd and draft Lamar Jackson to groom) and plenty of money to resign Breeland. and or Zach Brown. Breeland is equal to fuller if not better and we are DEEP at CB.

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[quote=Chico23231;1187265]The back breaker is Fuller. Its pure incompetence...absolutely no excuse.

The decision makers once again fucked us.

If Alex Smith was on this team last year he would have been abysmal.



I cant stress this enough, our top fucking focus isn't defense, nor WR, nor special teams.......if we don't fix the run game this offseason, double digit losses next year. Draft a RB , pay a free agent and pay/draft a LG.

pin this, time stamp it. double digit losses if we don't fix the running game.[/quote]


Fuller had a good yr man, its not like he is jalen ramsey... He's a solid CB that is all there is to that. You are right though we NEED A RB bad. Smith is 33 soon to be 34, he has at most 3 years left probably, dont rule out drafting a QB at 13 yet

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My hope is he is Brad Johnson 2.0. That's all I can say. Part of me is just glad this whole thing is over...

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[quote=hutch17;1187267]Time value of money (pick) makes a 2018 3rd > 2019 3rd

not insanely but still not equal.

All that being said I was pissed about this last night but have since come around. I think that Smith will be better in Jay's system than KC was and this gives us freedom in the draft (my hope is move back 6-8 spots pick up another 2nd and draft Lamar Jackson to groom) and plenty of money to resign Breeland. and or Zach Brown. [B]Breeland is equal to fuller if not better and we are DEEP at CB[/B].[/quote]

No he isn't and its not close.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1187234]Once again Alex Smith was in the top 10 in Deep ball attempts last season, why do you guys keep saying this?

[url]https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards[/url]

right with KIRK[/quote]

The other thing no one seems to mention is that Smith was in Andy Reid's system, Jay's system is much more QB friendly. it would not surprise me is Smith's stats next year are better than KC's ever were.

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Remember this post in 2021.

Alex Smith will win the Redskins a SB with Jay Gruden.

I truly believe that.

HTTR

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Yeah he was in Reid's system anybody remember the last QB Reid traded to the Redskins? Don't think we are headed to McNabb 2.0 but Reid knows value in QB the fact he was ready to let him walk says a lot to me.

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[quote=hutch17;1187272]The other thing no one seems to mention is that Smith was in Andy Reid's system, Jay's system is much more QB friendly. it would not surprise me is Smith's stats next year are better than KC's ever were.[/quote]

I bet he has 4000 yards and around 27 tds to about 10 ints

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1187278]Yeah he was in Reid's system anybody remember the last QB Reid traded to the Redskins? Don't think we are headed to McNabb 2.0 but Reid knows value in QB the fact he was ready to let him walk says a lot to me.[/quote]

Well they also have pressure to start Mahomes

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1187278]Yeah he was in Reid's system anybody remember the last QB Reid traded to the Redskins? Don't think we are headed to McNabb 2.0 but Reid knows value in QB the fact he was ready to let him walk says a lot to me.[/quote]

preach

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Reid is a pretty damn QB friendly coach/system too. In terms of numbers I think Smith can pick right up where Kirk left off. Probably lower turnovers and better rushing numbers though.

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I'm dumb when it comes to how guaranteed money affects the cap, but that being said, does the deal with Alex Smith free up money to possibly re-sign guys like Zach Brown?

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[quote=MTK;1187283]Reid is a pretty damn QB friendly coach/system too. In terms of numbers I think Smith can pick right up where Kirk left off. Probably lower turnovers and better rushing numbers though.[/quote]

seems like you and I are the only ones not mad about this move, I actually LOVE it

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[quote=metalskins;1187285]I'm dumb when it comes to how guaranteed money affects the cap, but that being said, does the deal with Alex Smith free up money to possibly re-sign guys like Zach Brown?[/quote]

I'm no cap expert but I did see Albert Breer say yes it helps and they can go get a couple guys in FA now

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[quote=Chico23231;1187271]No he isn't and its not close.[/quote]

your trying to say that a slot CB as good as he was this year who had one good year is better than a four year starting outside CB? You are delusional and in shock.

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according to PFT The Cardinals were serious competitors to land Smith as well

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[quote=metalskins;1187285]I'm dumb when it comes to how guaranteed money affects the cap, but that being said, does the deal with Alex Smith free up money to possibly re-sign guys like Zach Brown?[/quote]

It says 71 mil guaranteed but does that mean fully? We won't know until March 14th. It will be less cap space than what we would have had to sign KC for however.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1187278]Yeah he was in Reid's system anybody remember the last QB Reid traded to the Redskins? Don't think we are headed to McNabb 2.0 but Reid knows value in QB the fact he was ready to let him walk says a lot to me.[/quote]

They only let him walk because they got lucky and hit the lotto with Mahommes

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1187201]And both statements are wrong, kirk and Alex both were top 10 the last 2 years throwing deep

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk[/quote]


Wasn't last year in part to Chris Thompson running several of those short passes for long gains? Same with Alex Smith and Tyreke Hill.

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[quote=hutch17;1187288]your trying to say that a slot CB as good as he was this year who had one good year is better than a four year starting outside CB? You are delusional and in shock.[/quote]

Not only Im I saying that, Im also saying his pedigree and potential is probowler. He showed this year why he was considered a 1st round talent coming out of Va Tech. Guy is a physical baller.

Fuller is already a better player than Breeland. Also, Breeland isn't a good locker room dude, he has an attitude issue.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1187293]Wasn't last year in part to Chris Thompson running several of those short passes for long gains? Same with Alex Smith and Tyreke Hill.[/quote]

Both were top 10 in air yards, but of course Tyreke helps dude is a baller

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1187286]seems like you and I are the only ones not mad about this move, I actually LOVE it[/quote]

Initial fan reaction around here is usually me Hulk, me mad, me smash. Yawn.

When the dust settles we basically made a lateral move in terms of player production and at less money, money that can hopefully go towards a guy like Z. Brown.

There was never going to be a nice clean ending to the Cousins drama that we could all agree on. Yes the team F'd it up and could/should have signed him 2 years ago. But I also remember plenty of folks comparing him to the likes of Rex Grossman and saying he wasn't worthy of a long term deal. I'm guessing some of those same people are the ones all up in arms now. It wasn't that long ago some thought RGIII got a raw deal when Gruden made the switch.

I like the fact the QB drama is now settled, likely for the next 3 years at least. In the meantime we can draft and develop someone and we didn't choke out the cap in the process.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1187242]Just remember the whole world said we got robbed of the RG3 trade too and the Rams ended up getting basically nothing for years until Mcvay came. We'll see what happens, if Smith leads us to the playoffs next yr all will be forgotten[/quote]

We did not get better with this trade.

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[quote=MTK;1187297]Initial fan reaction around here is usually me Hulk, me mad, me smash. Yawn.

When the dust settles we basically made a lateral move in terms of player production and at less money, money that can hopefully go towards a guy like Z. Brown.

There was never going to be a nice clean ending to the Cousins drama that we could all agree on. Yes the team F'd it up and could/should have signed him 2 years ago. But I also remember plenty of folks comparing him to the likes of Rex Grossman and saying he wasn't worthy of a long term deal. I'm guessing some of those same people are the ones all up in arms now. It wasn't that long ago some thought RGIII got a raw deal when Gruden made the switch.

I like the fact the QB drama is now settled, likely for the next 3 years at least. In the meantime we can draft and develop someone and we didn't choke out the cap in the process.[/quote]

Yep I'm just glad we got a guy that wants to be here and has a chip on his shoulder. He will produce just as good as Kirk did. The system helped KC and we all said that

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[quote=skinsfan69;1187298]We did not get better with this trade.[/quote]

We will see man, time will tell. If he wins us games and playoff games we will be happy

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We didn't get worse, which would have been the case with probably any other QB solution.

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[quote=hutch17;1187267]Time value of money (pick) makes a 2018 3rd > 2019 3rd

not insanely but still not equal.

All that being said I was pissed about this last night but have since come around. I think that Smith will be better in Jay's system than KC was and this gives us freedom in the draft (my hope is move back 6-8 spots pick up another 2nd and draft Lamar Jackson to groom) and plenty of money to resign Breeland. and or Zach Brown. Breeland is equal to fuller if not better and we are DEEP at CB.[/quote]

Don't forget we will only get that 2019 3rd rounder if we don't sign FA that end up negating it in the off season. There is a chance we might not get it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1187298]We did not get better with this trade.[/quote]

So what? We didn't get appreciably worse, either. Kirk was leaving. We needed a QB. Colt was/is not the answer. We had competition for Smith, so we had to pay more. End of story.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1187278]Yeah he was in Reid's system anybody remember the last QB Reid traded to the Redskins? Don't think we are headed to McNabb 2.0 but Reid knows value in QB the fact he was ready to let him walk says a lot to me.[/quote]

Reid was like, " Let me call those fucking dummies in Washington. I got over on those stupid asses w/ an old, fat washed up McNabb so I'll try them first. I know they'll be willing to give up a draft pick cause that's what they like to do. I bet this time I can even get one of their best starters too. Let me call Bruce directly."