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I know some of the responses are sarcasm, but for serious ones it is quite interesting to reread the pregame comments before reading the during and post game ones. If the Redskins were a politician their approval rating went from 75% down to single digits in no time flat.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1209436]When you lose 2 OG, 2RB, 2WR, QB, LT for a few games you are going to suffer no matter who you are. Guice projected starter, Thompson key offensive weapon, Scherff and Williams pro-bowlers, your key slot receiver, highly paid FA acquisition WR. I say shitty luck.[/quote]

I hear all of that. What you fail to mention is that this offense wasn't any good when those guys were healthy. In fact our offense hasn't been good since Sean McVay, Desean Jackson, and Garcon left the team. We got even worse this year without Kirk Cousins. It wouldn't have mattered if we were healthy or not. This offense is still pure trash.

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[quote=mooby;1209484]Beer vendor... fuck'em. You can get 96 ounces of your favorite snobby beer from the 7-11 down the street that you can get a 12 ounce Bud Light for at Fedex.[/quote]

In a land far away and another place and time my Mom worked for the planning commission in the city of Anaheim when the Los Angeles Rams played there. The city owned the stadium. I am sure not much has changed. None of the vendors work for the stadium owner, they all lease space on multi year deals. On top of their lease they pay a percentage of sales, but that amount is insignificant compared to their space rent.

Most of that high cost of that beer are because of the rent the vending service pays to the stadium owner. Also another misconception is how much an empty stadium hurts the stadium owner which in the NFL is usually the team owner. It doesn't hurt as much as one thinks. The companies selling souvenirs, food and beverages are on 5-10 years leases no matter what they sell. While the stadium loses the percentage of sales that is counteracted by less cost for cleaning up the stadium. Also most tickets have been sold long in advance, someone already paid for those empty seats.

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That's what DJ was saying, we aren't respected because we don't prepare and we ALWAYS lose the prime time games under Jay. I'd love to know his record in such games. This year alone we are 0-2 and both games were ugly losses. I actually hope we lose out so there would be no question in bringing him back. I'm done with his lack of awareness in gamss and lack of fire. He always stands there with that fucking clueless look on his face like "o shit what do we do now". Also the fact that we are 0-5! When the other team scorea first is unheard-of. That shows he can't come back on anyone. The guy is a lameduck coach. Time to get some young guy in here that is hungry to make a name for himself.

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[quote=MTK;1209320]Just some random notes from the game

- Tackling was pathetic way too many yards after the catch for Dallas
- Preston Smith was a monster
- Colt was way too sloppy, probably could have thrown 5 picks
- Quinn looks legit, bye bye Crowder
- Refs are just terrible
- Not ready to bury Colt, that was a tough task for him on a short week against a legit D
- Need more from the running game, Peterson seems to be looking for the home run too often
- Dunbar clearly not healthy
[B]- Piss poor job by Ha Ha on the long TD[/B]
- Where has the run D gone?[/quote]

Good thoughts.

I "watched the tape" (god I hate myself for saying this, sounds so pretentious...), so I'll go ahead and give mine:

-Fact: even with [U]2 TDs handed to the Cowboys on a silver platter[/U], even with [U]3 bad turnovers by Colt[/U] (one of them half on him/half on Moses), even with [U]awful calls by the refs[/U] (and non-calls, ie the hit to the helmet of a defenseless receiver on Reed late in the game) at least one of them on 3rd down, [U]costing us more than 3 minutes of game clock[/U]... even with all of that, [I][U]we lost [B]a one possession road game[/B] to a division rival that we beat at home[/U][/I]. We shouldn't feel as bad about this one as we did right after the game IMO.

-[U]Josh Norman[/U] had a pretty bad game. The whole secondary did. Amari Cooper knows how to run routes though... And some of the sacks were coverage induced.

-But above all: [I][U]HHCD took poor angles all game long and it costed us 14 points[/U][/I]... The first one came on 3rd down too... Take away these 2 plays and our D did a good job.

-[U]Pass rush[/U] was a huge positive from this game.

-[I][U]Tim Settle[/U][/I] played really well. He's developing really nicely. I'll make amend for being wrong about him during preseason by uploading a gif or 2 of plays he made.

-[U]AP bounced outside wayyyyy too much[/U]. Sometimes there were yards to be taken. Either he doesn't trust his blockers, either his shoulder injury has him slightly scared of contact, just enough for him to subconsciously prefer to go outside than lower the boom.

-Still believe we can win some games with this team.

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I agree, we will still win some games this season. I think we will be 8-8 or maybe even 9-7. I was upset after the game and wrote it was a "terrible" game but in retrospect, it was closer than it seemed. The team did not give up and fought to the end.

I just can't figure out why Gruden's team never plays well in the big, televised games. Obviously, this all reflects back to the coach.

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by record - and espn playoff generator based on win% - we should go 11-5. Assuming a blowout loss to the Eagles on Monday night, that would be 10-6. Doubting Gruden can pull off 4 in a row that is 9-7. Which is right in Gruden's comfort zone. We likely make the playoffs because of tie breakers games we have won. And I will go as far as to say we win the first game. Which unfortunately will be enough to let Gruden keep his job.

Regardless we are not beating the Saints or Rams (nobody else is in the playoffs either) so this year's NFC division round is the ceiling for this team.

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D.J. Swearinger Sr. - 89.9
Ryan Anderson - 89.7
Zach Brown - 85.8
Ryan Kerrigan - 79.6
Preston Smith - 79.4

These are the top Graded Defensive players thru 12 weeks.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209621]D.J. Swearinger Sr. - 89.9
Ryan Anderson - 89.7
Zach Brown - 85.8
Ryan Kerrigan - 79.6
Preston Smith - 79.4

These are the top Graded Defensive players thru 12 weeks.[/quote]

preston coming on strong

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1209612]by record - and espn playoff generator based on win% - we should go 11-5. Assuming a blowout loss to the Eagles on Monday night, that would be 10-6. Doubting Gruden can pull off 4 in a row that is 9-7. Which is right in Gruden's comfort zone. We likely make the playoffs because of tie breakers games we have won. And I will go as far as to say we win the first game. Which unfortunately will be enough to let Gruden keep his job.

Regardless we are not beating the Saints or Rams (nobody else is in the playoffs either) so this year's NFC division round is the ceiling for this team.[/quote]

I know I have been negative Nancy since Thursday but we ain't making the playoffs my man. Philly beats us by 10 next Monday and then we can finally accept that we wont be going.

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[quote=Chico23231;1209622]preston coming on strong[/quote]

Yeah he has had a very good season. I eat my crow on him right now.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209626]Yeah he has had a very good season. I eat my crow on him right now.[/quote]

I wanted to eat my crow about predicting 7-9 for the Redskins. At 6-3 I was thinking I would have to eat a whole flock. Unfortunately now I think they will finish 8-8 and missing by one isn't deserving of needing to eat crow.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1209636]I wanted to eat my crow about predicting 7-9 for the Redskins. At 6-3 I was thinking I would have to eat a whole flock. Unfortunately now I think they will finish 8-8 and missing by one isn't deserving of needing to eat crow.[/quote]

I though 8-8 or 9-7 so its pretty much going that way, Even with Colt we should win 2 more at least. But Playoffs I just cant see happening unless we get lucky and carolina and seattle both finish 8-8 too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209625]I know I have been negative Nancy since Thursday but we ain't making the playoffs my man. Philly beats us by 10 next Monday and then we can finally accept that we wont be going.[/quote]

I don't know, Philly is probably more beat up than we are. We can split with them at least.

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[quote=MTK;1209639]I don't know, Philly is probably more beat up than we are. We can split with them at least.[/quote]

Colt would have to play a perfect game to win on the road in Philly on Monday Night. Not all on him either, Jay (I cant win a PT game) Gruden would have to be near perfect as well. Dallas is most likely losing to NO so Philly will be fired up to tie for first place with 4 games left. The odds are not in our favor.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209621]D.J. Swearinger Sr. - 89.9
Ryan Anderson - 89.7
Zach Brown - 85.8
Ryan Kerrigan - 79.6
Preston Smith - 79.4

These are the top Graded Defensive players thru 12 weeks.[/quote]

Can you explain that grading system in 30 words or less or have a link that explains it? Back a long time ago in a land far, far away when I was a college D3 linebacker with a football I.Q. of zero the coaches broke down grading for defenders into 4 segments. They were all pass and fail so you either scored a 0, 25, 50, 100 on a play. If you lined up wrong and had a wrong initial reaction the best you could do on any given play was a 50 out of 100, even if you had a strip sack or interception. Crazy that kids these days don't realize how tough it was back in the day, ha,ha,ha.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209640]Colt would have to play a perfect game to win on the road in Philly on Monday Night. Not all on him either, Jay (I cant win a PT game) Gruden would have to be near perfect as well. Dallas is most likely losing to NO so Philly will be fired up to tie for first place with 4 games left. The odds are not in our favor.[/quote]

We still can split with them. Jags are hot garbage, Giants are beatable. @ Eagles and @ Titans will be toughest games finish with Eagles at home.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1209643]Can you explain that grading system in 30 words or less or have a link that explains it? Back a long time ago in a land far, far away when I was a college D3 linebacker with a football I.Q. of zero the coaches broke down grading for defenders into 4 segments. They were all pass and fail so you either scored a 0, 25, 50, 100 on a play. If you lined up wrong and had a wrong initial reaction the best you could do on any given play was a 50 out of 100, even if you had a strip sack or interception. Crazy that kids these days don't realize how tough it was back in the day, ha,ha,ha.[/quote]

These are Pro Football Focus Grades that are all based game by game and position by position. Every defensive/offensive and ST's category is reviewed and graded by snap by snap basis. 0-100 grade system.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209640]Colt would have to play a perfect game to win on the road in Philly on Monday Night. Not all on him either, Jay (I cant win a PT game) Gruden would have to be near perfect as well. Dallas is most likely losing to NO so Philly will be fired up to tie for first place with 4 games left. The odds are not in our favor.[/quote]

Clearly you didn't watch the Eagles and Giants. Both of those teams are hot garbage. We should have a good chance against the Eagles.

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[quote=Schneed10;1209646]Clearly you didn't watch the Eagles and Giants. Both of those teams are hot garbage. We should have a good chance against the Eagles.[/quote]

I didn't but I believe in Wentz more than Colt in a close game on MNF. I hope we win but not betting on it

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Optimistic we can finish 3-2 (split with Philly, beat Jax and NY), at 9-7 we'll be in good position for a WC at least and possibly still the division. Sure would be nice to get Thompson back.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209647]I didn't but I believe in Wentz more than Colt in a close game on MNF. I hope we win but not betting on it[/quote]

Eagles are down their top 3 corners and couldn't stop Saquon until the Giants inexplicably stopped giving him the ball.

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It was also the most penalty flags thrown in one game that I can remember seeing. Both teams incredibly undisciplined.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1209625]I know I have been negative Nancy since Thursday but we ain't making the playoffs my man. Philly beats us by 10 next Monday and then we can finally accept that we wont be going.[/quote]

I included the blowout loss (a 10 point loss would be a miracle, I see a repeat of the NO game). But unless we lose to either the Giants or the Jags we need to either beat Philly or Tennesse to get in.

We will be a playoff team, most likely, just not a very good one.

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[quote=Schneed10;1209649]Eagles are down their top 3 corners and couldn't stop Saquon until the Giants inexplicably stopped giving him the ball.[/quote]

Pat Shurmur's way of telling Eli show me why I need you. Obviously Eli didn't make the case.

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[quote=MTK;1209648]Optimistic we can finish 3-2 (split with Philly, beat Jax and NY), at 9-7 we'll be in good position for a WC at least and possibly still the division. Sure would be nice to get Thompson back.[/quote]

I have already surrendered to the fact that the only post season representation from the NFC Least will be the division winner. And that is only because, well, someone has to win this crappy division.

Any team ending up in second place in the NFC East will be looking up at teams like Seattle, Carolina or Minnesota for any wildcard hopes.

I just do not see a WC coming from this division.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209653]I have already surrendered to the fact that the only post season representation from the NFC Least will be the division winner. And that is only because, well, someone has to win this crappy division.

Any team ending up in second place in the NFC East will be looking up at teams like Seattle, Carolina or Minnesota for any wildcard hopes.

I just do not see a WC coming from this division.[/quote]

Neither Carolina or Minnesota have any easy schedule. Carolina has two remaining against NO. Minnesota plays New England, Seattle and Chicago (Chicago may rest starters tho)

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1209653]I have already surrendered to the fact that the only post season representation from the NFC Least will be the division winner. And that is only because, well, someone has to win this crappy division.

Any team ending up in second place in the NFC East will be looking up at teams like Seattle, Carolina or Minnesota for any wildcard hopes.

I just do not see a WC coming from this division.[/quote]

We beat Carolina head to head that is a critical takeaway. We also beat GB but that may not be as critical. We have a pretty solid lock on any wildcard positioning at 9-7. Not the same for Dallas, but you guys have a shot as well.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1209479]Keeping jay and bringing in bill lazor as oc (bengals fire staff), I would endorse that move. I think the offense needs a shot in the arm.



Also, In response to the massive amounts of injuries the last 3 years...as a front office, I would move to a strategy of not getting any free agents or draft picks with any type of injury history or someone who misses time in general.[/QUOTE]



No way. Jay not only doesn’t call a good game, but they are constantly ill prepared. Wtf does he bring to the table worth a HC salary?

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1209649]Eagles are down their top 3 corners and couldn't stop Saquon until the Giants inexplicably stopped giving him the ball.[/QUOTE]



Biggest head scratcher ever.

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I'd like to see us win a MNF game with Jay Gruden as the coach. I can't figure out why we suck at all the big televised games. I'd like to see a victory on Monday night for once.

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[QUOTE=Warthog;1209668]I'd like to see us win a MNF game with Jay Gruden as the coach. I can't figure out why we suck at all the big televised games. I'd like to see a victory on Monday night for once.[/QUOTE]I would like to win the powerball. I think my chances are better than yours and i dont buy lottery tickets

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1209670]I would like to win the powerball. I think my chances are better than yours and i dont buy lottery tickets[/quote]

:lol:

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Depressing knowing that its a guarantee that we come out flat and get our asses handed to us. 3 way tie at 6-6 come Tuesday morning.

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[quote=punch it in;1209660]No way. Jay not only doesn’t call a good game, but they are constantly ill prepared. Wtf does he bring to the table worth a HC salary?[/quote]

I agree....for some reason I like Gruden...but I don't love him....he needs a OC to call the plays....there's something off about Gruden's play calling that wasn't an issue in Cincinnati....it's like he's regressed as a play caller quite a bit.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1209833]I agree....for some reason I like Gruden...but I don't love him....he needs a OC to call the plays....there's something off about Gruden's play calling that wasn't an issue in Cincinnati....it's like he's regressed as a play caller quite a bit.[/quote]

Not being able to call Dalton to Green every play can have that effect