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[quote=punch it in;1217600]Do OT exactly like college, and anything should be reviewable. Enough with a coin toss deciding shit.[/quote]

In all fairness, a coin toss didn't decide anything.

Although, an actual coin toss to decide who wins an overtime game (like actually decide) would be pretty interesting.

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This OT stuff is out of hand, the only reason people want a change is because NE won, if KC had won the game after getting the ball first this much would not be said.

The Saints got the ball first and the Rams stepped up and stopped them, it's football. The league already changed the rule to scoring a TD first wins the game..

Stop trying to change the rules every damn season, so what is next? Teams have to score twice to win?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1217623]In all fairness, a coin toss didn't decide anything.

Although, an actual coin toss to decide who wins an overtime game (like actually decide) would be pretty interesting.[/quote]

this...I have no problem with the ot rules. people need to stop bitching about, stop the pats and get the ball back.

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic;1217623]In all fairness, a coin toss didn't decide anything.



Although, an actual coin toss to decide who wins an overtime game (like actually decide) would be pretty interesting.[/QUOTE]



If you have two high powered offenses, and the coin toss decides which teams offense gets the ball first - it absolutely plays a hand in the outcome. It is stupid. College OT rules are fair. That is how it should be done imo.
Edit: this has nothing to do with the Pats. Ive wanted the college OT since college started it. Leave nothing on the table.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1217618]Do you really want to see a game end 65-62?



I don't[/QUOTE]



How many games go into OT? Not like it happens all the time. If it does though than im all for it. Imagine if in tennis they did a coin flip to see who served for the win?
Remember you have to start going for 2 also. You could even eliminate extra points entirely. Would shorten it somewhat.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217624][B]This OT stuff is out of hand, the only reason people want a change is because NE won, if KC had won the game after getting the ball first this much would not be said. [/B]

The Saints got the ball first and the Rams stepped up and stopped them, it's football. The league already changed the rule to scoring a TD first wins the game..

Stop trying to change the rules every damn season, so what is next? Teams have to score twice to win?[/quote]

I disagree. I think Pats fans would be losing their SHIT over it.

I still stand by this, play a five minute OT like normal football until there's a winner. I don't think games would end up like college football when you're not starting on the twenty five (thirty five?) yard line.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1217512]I'm rooting for NE only because if they win they will have more SBs than Dallas, that would put Dallas tied for 3rd most, sounds better than 2nd most.[/quote]

Sounds to me that you root more for a team to lose, than for your team to win. You're a strange human.....

I can't help but to keep thinking that just a few short years ago, Washington had not one of the best, but.... [B]THE best young stud head coaches[/B] in their organization and let him walk.....

So I guess I am a strange human too....

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1217659]Sounds to me that you root more for a team to lose, than for your team to win. You're a strange human.....

I can't help but to keep thinking that just a few short years ago, Washington had not one of the best, but.... [B]THE best young stud head coaches[/B] in their organization and let him walk.....

So I guess I am a strange human too....[/quote]

No bro I just hate dallas lol

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KC should have a chance to get the ball once I feel. But they did have a chance to stop the Pats and they couldn't.

One minute the Pats can spread you out and be a pass happy team, and then the next go back to an I formation ( WITH A FULLBACK GRUDEN, YOU DUMMY) roll up their sleeves and run it right down your throat. In that aspect they remind me of how things use to be around here.

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It sounds like people just want a skills competition between Brady and Mahomes instead of a football game.

The Chiefs D gave up 3 TDs to the Patriots in the final 3 drives.
Do we really need to see more of that?

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1217643]I disagree. I think Pats fans would be losing their SHIT over it.

I still stand by this, play a five minute OT like normal football until there's a winner. I don't think games would end up like college football when you're not starting on the twenty five (thirty five?) yard line.[/quote]

a 5 minute ot would basically guarantee one team (assuming its a decent team) would simply run the clock out and kick a fg at the end to win it.

I really thought they had a perfect mix this year and there were a lot of OT's to test it out. IF two teams are evenly matched clearly a tie is possible. IF they aren't strong in all 3 departments then they will lose.

If KC had held NE to a FG Majomes could have had a chance, but they didn't (even with the amazing Kendall Fuller)

Leave the OT rules alone.

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[quote=punch it in;1217639]If you have two high powered offenses, and the coin toss decides which teams offense gets the ball first - it absolutely plays a hand in the outcome. It is stupid. College OT rules are fair. That is how it should be done imo.
Edit: this has nothing to do with the Pats. Ive wanted the college OT since college started it. Leave nothing on the table.[/quote]

college OT sucks

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1217693]college OT sucks[/QUOTE]



Yeah God forbid the winner is decided because of football and not a coin flip. Lol. I would tweak a couple things. You have to go for two from the start, and you kick off. No starting at the 30 or whatever it is. Each team gets the same chance. First one to score more than the other in a set of possessions wins. Simple. Fair. No doubts.

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Tennis : coin flip decides who serves. No.

Baseball: extra innings coin flip to see who bats first. Homerun it is over. No.

Basketball: coin flip decides who gets the ball. They hit a 3 it is over. No.

So why does the winner of a football game have to be based on a coin flip that clearly gives someone an advantage?

Edit/ and don’t say it doesn’t because if the Skins lost a coin flip and the other team got the ball first you would be mad as hell. It totally matters and it is a fucking coin flip. Dumb as fuck. Hey you guys just both lit it up and played your guts out. It is 38-38. We are gonna flip a coin to see who gets a chance to score and end it. Fuuuuuck that.

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[quote=punch it in;1217695]Yeah God forbid the winner is decided because of football and not a coin flip. Lol. I would tweak a couple things. You have to go for two from the start, and you kick off. No starting at the 30 or whatever it is. Each team gets the same chance. First one to score more than the other in a set of possessions wins. Simple. Fair. No doubts.[/quote]

NFL OT isn't decided by the coin flip, it's decided by offense vs defense, and special teams. IF you want to win, stop the other team from going the length of the field and scoring a TD. If you can't you lose. Both teams had 60 minutes to definitively win the game.

You don't have to look farther then the game before that also went to OT. The Rams defense came up big against a powerhouse offense, and the Rams went on to win it. Coin flip simply starts OT.

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Punch I know in today's offensive driven league it seems unfair that you have to rely on your defense to win a game in OT if you lose the coin toss, but if anything it should place a higher emphasis on fielding a good D. Not only can having a good D give you a chance in OT games where you lose the coin toss, it also helps winning championships too.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1217698]NFL OT isn't decided by the coin flip, it's decided by offense vs defense, and special teams. IF you want to win, stop the other team from going the length of the field and scoring a TD. If you can't you lose. Both teams had 60 minutes to definitively win the game.



You don't have to look farther then the game before that also went to OT. The Rams defense came up big against a powerhouse offense, and the Rams went on to win it. Coin flip simply starts OT.[/QUOTE]



Yeah offense of one team vs defense of another. Why not let both units from both teams help decide?
The Rams Saints game wasn’t the problem. One team couldn’t score, and the other did. Over. Funny you are using that example. My problem is clearly when one team scores a td it is over. Stupid. As. Fuck.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1217699]Punch I know in today's offensive driven league it seems unfair that you have to rely on your defense to win a game in OT if you lose the coin toss, but if anything it should place a higher emphasis on fielding a good D. Not only can having a good D give you a chance in OT games where you lose the coin toss, it also helps winning championships too.[/QUOTE]



Of course man you always want a good D. Im just not sure why we are acting like giving both teams a chance to score a TD is going to end the world. Lol. I have not heard one actual reason yet why the current rule is better.
Oh and you know why it “seems” unfair? Because it is.
Building your defense to stop a team in OT is as ridiculous as the rule itself, but I cannot even entertain that as a good reason because the rules almost make it impossible to build a great defense. It is offensive driven by design not chance. That doesn’t suddenly change after 4 quarters.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1217698]NFL OT isn't decided by the coin flip, it's decided by offense vs defense, and special teams. IF you want to win, stop the other team from going the length of the field and scoring a TD. If you can't you lose. Both teams had 60 minutes to definitively win the game.



You don't have to look farther then the game before that also went to OT. The Rams defense came up big against a powerhouse offense, and the Rams went on to win it. Coin flip simply starts OT.[/QUOTE]



I can’t stand this nonsense about the game being decided by a coin flip. The coin flip decides who gets the ball, the outcome of the game is decided on the field.



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Fuck Brady and the Patriots, but you can't even be mad at this. Quite hilarious and well played.

[url]https://twitter.com/TylerSully/status/1087234157443510272[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1217698]NFL OT isn't decided by the coin flip, it's decided by offense vs defense, and special teams. IF you want to win, stop the other team from going the length of the field and scoring a TD. If you can't you lose. Both teams had 60 minutes to definitively win the game.

You don't have to look farther then the game before that also went to OT. The Rams defense came up big against a powerhouse offense, and the Rams went on to win it. Coin flip simply starts OT.[/quote]

In a way I agree, but as the game goes on, it favors the offense. A tired defense isn't going to stop a tired offense.

Time of Possession:

NE- 43:59

KC- 20:53


That coin flip means a lot in this situation.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1217706]In a way I agree, but as the game goes on, it favors the offense. A tired defense isn't going to stop a tired offense.



Time of Possession:



NE- 43:59



KC- 20:53





That coin flip means a lot in this situation.[/QUOTE]



Great point NC. It means a-lot in every situation ever which is why since the beginning of time we all cheer when our team wins it.
Come on guys. It completely plays a role. It is nothing like the coin toss in the beginning of a game.

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I’ll make this simple for all of you arguing that the coin toss has nothing to do with the outcome of a game. Skins are in OT. Coin flip about to happen. Are you hoping they win? Say it doesn’t matter and you are lying. Lol. And you want to win it because it makes your path to victory easier. You either have to stop the other team and than score. Or just score. Seems like a freakin no brainer to me. I wanna win that meaningless coin flip every meaningless game.

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Of course getting the ball first is what you want, but let’s stop oversimplifying the argument by saying the coin flip decides the game. The coin flip winner wins about 52% of the time so it’s not game over to lose the flip.



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[QUOTE=MTK;1217711]Of course getting the ball first is what you want, but let’s stop oversimplifying the argument by saying the coin flip decides the game. The coin flip winner wins about 52% of the time so it’s not game over to lose the flip.



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Not saying it is the end all be all. But why not make a stupid coin toss absolutely meaningless and just give both teams a chance to score a TD?

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The True Stats Of NFL Overtime
Stats on Overtime Coin Tosses (1974-2003)

The NFL has had 325 overtime games since the rule was adopted in 1974. The results:

Both teams have had possession 235 times (72.3%).
The team that has won the toss has won 169 times (52.0%).
The team that has lost the toss has won 141 times (43.4%).
223 games were decided by a field goal (68.6%).
86 games were decided by a TD (26.5%).
One game was decided by a safety (0.3%).
There have been 15 ties (4.6%).
It seems fair but these numbers are somewhat misleading because in 1994 a rule changed moved the kickoff back 5 yards to the 30 yard line (those numbers were based on data from 1973-2003). Since then, it's been about 60%. Prior to the rule change, the coin toss had no predictive value for deciding who would eventually win the game. Since 1994, the coin flip winner has a clear advantage.

TL;DR There is a fairly significant statistical advantage for the team that wins the toss. More than 25% of teams that lost the coin toss never touched the ball. Since 1994, the team that won the overtime coin toss won the game 34.4 percent of the time on the first possession and have won about 60% of the time total.

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[quote=punch it in;1217716]The True Stats Of NFL Overtime
Stats on Overtime Coin Tosses (1974-2003)

The NFL has had 325 overtime games since the rule was adopted in 1974. The results:

Both teams have had possession 235 times (72.3%).
The team that has won the toss has won 169 times (52.0%).
The team that has lost the toss has won 141 times (43.4%).
223 games were decided by a field goal (68.6%).
86 games were decided by a TD (26.5%).
One game was decided by a safety (0.3%).
There have been 15 ties (4.6%).
It seems fair but these numbers are somewhat misleading because in 1994 a rule changed moved the kickoff back 5 yards to the 30 yard line (those numbers were based on data from 1973-2003). Since then, it's been about 60%. Prior to the rule change, the coin toss had no predictive value for deciding who would eventually win the game. Since 1994, the coin flip winner has a clear advantage.

TL;DR There is a fairly significant statistical advantage for the team that wins the toss. More than 25% of teams that lost the coin toss never touched the ball. Since 1994, the team that won the overtime coin toss won the game 34.4 percent of the time on the first possession and have won about 60% of the time total.[/quote]


Before 2012, a FG would end the game.
Check out the numbers since the TD overtime rule was implemented
[URL="https://mobile.twitter.com/SandoESPN/status/1087245109874298881"]https://mobile.twitter.com/SandoESPN/status/1087245109874298881[/URL]

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Yeah why you are trotting out outdated stats Punch? First score wins was one-sided as fuck.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1217712]Not saying it is the end all be all. But why not make a stupid coin toss absolutely meaningless and just give both teams a chance to score a TD?[/QUOTE]



I’m actually fine with that for playoffs OT

I just don’t think it’s a pressing issue that is dying to be changed this red hot minute



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[QUOTE=mooby;1217720]Yeah why you are trotting out outdated stats Punch? First score wins was one-sided as fuck.[/QUOTE]



The article was dated 2014, and regardless it is about the coin toss not being meaningless. If anything is outdated it is the 52% stat.
Also I do think this is better than the first “score”/fg wins it but i think it could be better yet.

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[quote=jamf;1217683]It sounds like people just want a skills competition between Brady and Mahomes instead of a football game.

The Chiefs D gave up 3 TDs to the Patriots in the final 3 drives.
Do we really need to see more of that?[/quote]

Not only that but on the final drive the Pats converted 3 3rd downs. It was like a heavyweight fight and KC's defense just took too many body blows. You're not winning or going to a Super Bowl with the 31st ranked D.

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For me I like the sudden death nature of nfl OT. It was bad when a FG could end it on the first possession' but I like the way it is now any great play by the offense, defense, or ST play can win or lose the game.

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So a few people including Kevin Sheehan have crunched the numbers and apparently it’s about 19% of the time since 2012 where the team that wins the coin flip drives down the field and scores a TD and ends the game without the other team touching the ball.

/discussion



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[quote=MTK;1217789]So a few people including Kevin Sheehan have crunched the numbers and apparently it’s about 19% of the time since 2012 where the team that wins the coin flip drives down the field and scores a TD and ends the game without the other team touching the ball.

/discussion



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19%???????

This shit is rigged!!!!!!!!

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[quote=punch it in;1217716]The True Stats Of NFL Overtime
Stats on Overtime Coin Tosses (1974-2003)

The NFL has had 325 overtime games since the rule was adopted in 1974. The results:

Both teams have had possession 235 times (72.3%).
The team that has won the toss has won 169 times (52.0%).
The team that has lost the toss has won 141 times (43.4%).
223 games were decided by a field goal (68.6%).
86 games were decided by a TD (26.5%).
One game was decided by a safety (0.3%).
There have been 15 ties (4.6%).
It seems fair but these numbers are somewhat misleading because in 1994 a rule changed moved the kickoff back 5 yards to the 30 yard line (those numbers were based on data from 1973-2003). Since then, it's been about 60%. Prior to the rule change, the coin toss had no predictive value for deciding who would eventually win the game. Since 1994, the coin flip winner has a clear advantage.

TL;DR There is a fairly significant statistical advantage for the team that wins the toss. More than 25% of teams that lost the coin toss never touched the ball. Since 1994, the team that won the overtime coin toss won the game 34.4 percent of the time on the first possession and have won about 60% of the time total.[/quote]

Kevin Sheehan just said on today's podcast that since the rule change only 19.7% of games which went to overtime were won or lost on the first possession by a TD score.

The team that wins the toss does win 52% of the games but how does that matter if both teams get to possess the ball on 80.3% of overtime games?

I just don't think this is a big deal.

A coin toss didn't decide the game, KC's bottom of the barrel defense did.

There were three 3rd and 10s and Brady converted.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1217789]So a few people including Kevin Sheehan have crunched the numbers and apparently it’s about 19% of the time since 2012 where the team that wins the coin flip drives down the field and scores a TD and ends the game without the other team touching the ball.

/discussion



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But still wins 52% of the time because they will get two possessions as opposed to one. Discussion on.

Plenty of people out there that would like to see each team get the ball until one of them scores more than the other in a set of possessions. Im just the only one on the WP. Lol.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1217791]Kevin Sheehan just said on today's podcast that since the rule change only 19.7% of games which went to overtime were won or lost on the first possession by a TD score.



The team that wins the toss does win 52% of the games but how does that matter if both teams get to possess the ball on 80.3% of overtime games?



I just don't think this is a big deal.



A coin toss didn't decide the game, KC's bottom of the barrel defense did.



There were three 3rd and 10s and Brady converted.



We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.[/QUOTE]



It matters because one team is getting two chances while the other gets one.

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I don’t think it is the most dire emergency in sports rules history. Trust me. Lol. It just seems so painfully obvious too me that the only fair way too settle the game is on a level playing field. Each team gets the ball until one out duels the other.
As for all these statistics - im sure they are skewed by a million other factors.

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1217794]It matters because one team is getting two chances while the other gets one.[/QUOTE]


Christ dude why don’t we just guarantee both teams the same exact number of snaps per game so it’s truly fair. This has officially gone off the rails.



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[QUOTE=MTK;1217796]Christ dude why don’t we just guarantee both teams the same exact number of snaps per game so it’s truly fair. This has officially gone off the rails.



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No need to get sarcastic. Lol. It isn’t as if there isn’t a thing called the NCAA that has OT rules just like it. Only they make it corny with starting on the 30 or whatever.
Again in Tennis let’s just flip a coin to see who serves first. They win the game it is over. Lets end a baseball game in extra innings if the first team to bat hits a home run. Hey ya gotta be able to pitch right?