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[quote=Chico23231;1244616]Whats more shocking, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden performance so far?

I gotta role with Pocahontas[/quote]

Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244656]The Venezuelan flag

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I like it but isn't it the wrong thread?

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[quote=MTK;1244652]The concept of a basic universal income is an interesting one. As more and more jobs are taken away due to automation it's a concept that will need to be given a hard look.[/quote]

Wait , what??? You trying to give chico a heart attack?:stop:

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1244659]I like it but isn't it the wrong thread?[/QUOTE]It was a response to the quoted post and the one above it.

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[quote=Giantone;1244658]Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.[/quote]

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its weird how the impeachment case killed the Biden Presidential run. Or is trump the puppet master...again?

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1244658]Nether one.Your blind hatred guides you and you miss what's going on.[/QUOTE]I actually agree, not about the blind hatred - that would be the antiTrump base - but Biden and Warrem are lost causes for the Dems. Sanders Bloomberg and one of Pete B or AmyK, will take the delegates to the convention.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244616]Whats more shocking, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden performance so far?

I gotta role with Pocahontas[/quote]

I think it's more shocking Biden hasn't seized the lead and ran with it. A year ago it seemed like the Biden train was gonna runaway from the pack. Now it seems like he's on the downswing.

BTW I think the only thing Biden is guilty of is getting his son a job. I don't think Hunter Biden had anything to do with the corruption at Burisma which seemed to have started before he arrived. And if using your political ties to get your family a job they didn't deserve was a crime Trump would be guilty too.

I honestly don't know who is going to emerge from the pack, but it's not Bernie. He won't appeal to the moderate Dems, and he won't appeal to any conservatives.

Klobuchar might be alright but I need to hear more from her. What is her plan to bridge the gap? Unite the country? What are her priorities?

I would vote for Buttigieg if he's the nominee, but (a nod to Cred here) I don't think he would win. He might swing some fiscal conservative votes but the religious conservative outcry is going to be outrageous if he gets the nomination. And in my uninformed opinion I think religious conservatives are the bigger threat because of how outspoken they are.

Let's be honest here. I really dislike Bloomberg (because my 2nd biggest beef behind global warming is the ever-expanding wealth gap in this country) but if it came down to it, I'd vote for whoever opposed Trump.

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Ehhh Mooby, if you are going with the “ nothing to see here and this is normal for a sitting VP son with no experience in energy to work for the board of a known corrupt oligarch “ comment and then say somehow there is an trump kid equivalent...

Come on man...you had to go off the rails? Then name it.

Burisma hurt Biden, the Dems did no favor to Biden going thru with a bs impeachment charge.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244671]Ehhh Mooby, if you are going with the “ nothing to see here and this is normal for a sitting VP son with no experience in energy to work for the board of a known corrupt oligarch “ comment and then say somehow there is an trump kid equivalent...

Come on man...you had to go off the rails? Then name it.

Burisma hurt Biden, the Dems did no favor to Biden going thru with a bs impeachment charge.[/quote]

The fact you think it was BS means it was worth it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244664][/quote]

chico your cult leader has you by the nose.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1244672]The fact you think it was BS means it was worth it.[/QUOTE]Solid logic.

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[quote=Giantone;1244673]chico your cult leader has you by the nose.

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I wonder what Trump's turnover rate is compared to the average president from people under him resigning or getting fired? It has to be at a record pace.

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Last Night Bernie called James Carville a political hack on CNN

Response:

Carville was quick to fire back, speaking to political journalist Peter Hamby: “Last night on CNN, Bernie called me a political hack. That’s exactly who the fuck I am! I am a political hack! I am not an ideologue. I am not a purist. He thinks it’s a pejorative. I kinda like it! [B]At least I’m not a communist.”[/B]


put this right into my veins. Looks like the Clintons and Tom Perez have released Carville into the fray....

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[quote=Chico23231;1244701]Last Night Bernie called James Carville a political hack on CNN

Response:

Carville was quick to fire back, speaking to political journalist Peter Hamby: “Last night on CNN, Bernie called me a political hack. That’s exactly who the fuck I am! I am a political hack! I am not an ideologue. I am not a purist. He thinks it’s a pejorative. I kinda like it! [B]At least I’m not a communist.”[/B]


put this right into my veins. Looks like the Clintons and Tom Perez have released Carville into the fray....[/quote]

..........yeah chico watching and linking as a solid news source CNN. LOL.:funnypost

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[quote=Chico23231;1244671]Ehhh Mooby, if you are going with the “ nothing to see here and this is normal for a sitting VP son with no experience in energy to work for the board of a known corrupt oligarch “ comment and then say somehow there is an trump kid equivalent...

Come on man...you had to go off the rails? Then name it.

Burisma hurt Biden, the Dems did no favor to Biden going thru with a bs impeachment charge.[/quote]

It's not normal, Biden used his connections to get Hunter a job he had no business doing.

How is that any different from Ivanka and Jared and Don Jr. becoming top presidential advisors? What relevant experience do they bring to the table that isn't related to being Trump's kids?

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This debate...Biden is pathetic, he’s done.

Climate justice? Psshhh

Warren is so full of shit. Trillion dollar plans which make zero sense.

Bloomberg and Klobuchar at least sound half reasonable. But this entire thing is a fucking mess.

And sanders is the worst. Trump will run over him like Derrick Henry

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Lol Elizabeth Warren is trying to win the woke Olympics

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Mayor Pete and Klob went after each other, they can't win by knocking each other down.

Bloomberg wouldnt stand a chance with women/urban voters

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Whether you want to give 100% of the economy's credit to Obama or to Trump, or somewhere in between, the economy is doing well overall. Combine that with the current democratic candidates, I just don't see how Trump loses. Not even counting for the fact that most presidents get 2 terms, including the last 3. And incumbents in general win most times.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1244943]Whether you want to give 100% of the economy's credit to Obama or to Trump, or somewhere in between, the economy is doing well overall. Combine that with the current democratic candidates, I just don't see how Trump loses. Not even counting for the fact that most presidents get 2 terms, including the last 3. And incumbents in general win most times.[/QUOTE]You have to factor in trumps foot in mouth quotient is higher than the last 5 presidents combined.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1244944]You have to factor in trumps foot in mouth quotient is higher than the last 5 presidents combined.

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Ha, yeah, he definitely suffers from extreme diarrhea of the mouth, but still don't see it.

My post wasn't even about who I want to win, just my opinion on the race as a whole (I know your post wasn't arguing against this). Trump is going to win again in 2020, if I'm putting my money on it, even giving odds.

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Piers Morgan just went fucking ham tonight on Bloomberg and the anyone but Bernie Democrats tonight.

Crazy how the democratic (not people that vote democrat, the people actually running the show) party always talks about voter suppression but goes out of their way to fuck Bernie every 4 years until Bernie dies.

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Dana Perino is a smokeshow.

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We need to replace this old ass rich white new yorker president with another old rich ass white new yorker. Sounds legit.

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[quote=mooby;1244710]It's not normal, Biden used his connections to get Hunter a job he had no business doing.

How is that any different from Ivanka and Jared and Don Jr. becoming top presidential advisors? What relevant experience do they bring to the table that isn't related to being Trump's kids?[/quote]

It isn't but he is gonna ignore you.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244940]This debate...Biden is pathetic, he’s done.

Climate justice? Psshhh

Warren is so full of shit. Trillion dollar plans which make zero sense.

Bloomberg and Klobuchar at least sound half reasonable. But this entire thing is a fucking mess.

And sanders is the worst. Trump will run over him like Derrick Henry[/quote]

These debates remind me of the republican debates , they are all shit shows till about August.


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Mike Bloomberg needs to jump on this asap.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1244949]Dana Perino is a smokeshow.[/quote]

She has always been...

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[quote=mooby;1244958]Mike Bloomberg needs to jump on this asap.

[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERMABRnVAAIUY3v.jpg[/img][/quote]

:laughing2

Bloomberg is the ultimate wolf in sheep cloths for dems.


Big win for Trump last night.

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[quote=Chico23231;1244960]:laughing2

Bloomberg is the ultimate wolf in sheep cloths for dems.


Big win for Trump last night.[/quote]

...................a trumpette sheep would think so.

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[quote=Giantone;1244954]These debates remind me of the republican debates , they are all shit shows till about August.


[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2zjsh5noOw[/url][/quote]

...........keep ignoring it chico.

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Damn! ......those pesky russians are at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/house-leaders-reportedly-learned-russia-224100962.html[/url]

House leaders reportedly learned Russia was trying to get Trump re-elected — and Trump was angry about it

Last week, the House Intelligence Committee reportedly received a briefing detailing how Russia was once again interfering in the 2020 election. The next day, Trump attacked his outgoing national intelligence director for letting the briefing happen, people familiar with the exchange told The New York Times.

The committee, led by Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), learned from intelligence official Shelby Pierson that Russia was working to get Trump re-elected this fall, five people familiar with the matter said. Pierson has a reputation for bluntness, and some officials who heard about the briefing suggested Pierson should've left out the bit on Russia to avoid riling up Republicans in the room. Trump's allies at the briefing "challenged the conclusions, arguing that Mr. Trump has been tough on Russia and strengthened European security," the Times writes.

An even bigger uproar came the next day from Trump himself, who berated acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire for what was said in the briefing. This happened last Friday, and late Wednesday, Trump announced he was replacing Maguire with U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, who's unabashedly loyal to the president

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Every country in the world has a preference on who they want the American president to be. The same way America does for other countries in the world. Y'all are just fucking obsessed with Russia.

Trump can't do anything about a country wanting him to be re-elected. If the house is so obsessed with Russia then they should review what the country is doing (going back to long before Trump) to prevent actual illegal interference and pass law(s) or include extra money in the budget, etc. to develop better ways to monitor and stop this from happening.

Whether Russia wants Trump or not, he isn't losing to any of these Democrat clowns that are running in 2020.

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I dont think Trump "colluded" with Russia. I do think Russia initiated a social media blitz that was just parroting and creating an echo chamber for right wing conspiracies with the goal of (1) sewing dissention among americans (gee how is this thread playing out, lots of name calling, trench warfare and tribalism) and (2) get Trump elected bc hes easily manipulated.

Trump has though been the gullible fool being played by Russia and Putin. And SA and anyone else who wants to manipulate him by overly complimenting him.

Trump is still parroting this Crowd Strike election interference came from Ukraine and not Russia ... when the intelligence community says it was clearly Russia. I dont think trump did anything wrong w Russia in 2016 but he thinks if he admits Russia did a misinformation campaign to favor him in the election .. that somehow takes way from his "biggest electoral win since Reagan".

Trump is just a useful idiot, especially for someone like Putin.

edit - please note that me calling Trump an idiot is not an attack on any Trump supporter. I mean .. the guy is vain, dumb in a dangerous way bc he thinks hes the smartest person in every room and is a narcisstic pathelogical liar .. that got voted by conservatives to be president for only the 1/3 conservative part of our County.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1245098]I dont think Trump "colluded" with Russia. I do think Russia initiated a social media blitz that was just parroting and creating an echo chamber for right wing conspiracies with the goal of (1) sewing dissention among americans (gee how is this thread playing out, lots of name calling, trench warfare and tribalism) and (2) get Trump elected bc hes easily manipulated.



Trump has though been the gullible fool being played by Russia and Putin. And SA and anyone else who wants to manipulate him by overly complimenting him.



Trump is still parroting this Crowd Strike election interference came from Ukraine and not Russia ... when the intelligence community says it was clearly Russia. I dont think trump did anything wrong w Russia in 2016 but he thinks if he admits Russia did a misinformation campaign to favor him in the election .. that somehow takes way from his "biggest electoral win since Reagan".



Trump is just a useful idiot, especially for someone like Putin.[/QUOTE]I agree with this to the extent that you go, but I would add that the whole of our system has become useful idiots. Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi turn to rabid little puppies when they get a whiff of an antiTrump bone, true or not. They howl and yap, and the media play it up.

We now have 3+ years of Trump dealing with Russia and 30 years of Bernie's love of Russia. It is hard to see that Russia would prefer an administration that pushed for and sent lethal aid to Ukraine over a Biden administration that fought against it.

Common sense should point to the obvious reason Russia would support Trump and that is because they gain when our political house is fractured. And it is fractured because of the bizarre hatred and vindictiveness from both sides that they, the Russians, can - as you said - so easily manipulate.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1245101]I agree with this to the extent that you go, but I would add that the whole of our system has become useful idiots. Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi turn to rabid little puppies when they get a whiff of an antiTrump bone, true or not. They howl and yap, and the media play it up.

We now have 3+ years of Trump dealing with Russia and 30 years of Bernie's love of Russia. It is hard to see that Russia would prefer an administration that pushed for and sent lethal aid to Ukraine over a Biden administration that fought against it.

Common sense should point to the obvious reason Russia would support Trump and that is because they gain when our political house is fractured. And it is fractured because of the bizarre hatred and vindictiveness from both sides that they, the Russians, can - as you said - so easily manipulate.

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Agreed. The Syria withdrawl has been bothering me lately. I thoght we should have stayed at least as monitors to keep the Kurds from being crushed and the Dems and liberals were screaming how this is genocide for the US to pull out.

I was inundated with Syria refuge crisis articles and politicians taking turns talking into the microphone about the greatest humanitarian crisis of all time ...

Now you hear nothing. Idlib is now being fought over by Russia/Syria with Turkey probably backing off. This is causing 800k to 2 million people, families, being forced to evacuate and just walk towards the Turkey border where Turkey already has like 4 million syrian refugees in camps.

Where is the continued 24/7 coverage of this? where are those so concerned politicians now?

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[quote=SunnySide;1245107]Agreed. The Syria withdrawl has been bothering me lately. I thoght we should have stayed at least as monitors to keep the Kurds from being crushed and the Dems and liberals were screaming how this is genocide for the US to pull out.

I was inundated with Syria refuge crisis articles and politicians taking turns talking into the microphone about the greatest humanitarian crisis of all time ...

Now you hear nothing. Idlib is now being fought over by Russia/Syria with Turkey probably backing off. This is causing 800k to 2 million people, families, being forced to evacuate and just walk towards the Turkey border where Turkey already has like 4 million syrian refugees in camps.

Where is the continued 24/7 coverage of this? where are those so concerned politicians now?[/quote]

If the Obama Administration would have put up the No Fly Zone and armed Kurds...This would have been over 3-4 years ago and Syria would be having elections now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1245109]If the Obama Administration would have put up the No Fly Zone and armed Kurds...This would have been over 3-4 years ago and Syria would be having elections now.[/quote]

I dont think even the mighty USA can go an unilaterally enforce a no fly zone in a foreign country .. restricting that country from flying in their own air space. Russia already buzzes our guys when we are flying in international air space.

No way Russia and Syria would have abided by it, creates way to many instances where "something" could happen. A no fly zone sounded nice but I dont think it would be realistic.

Arming the kurds - I feel like we did but said we were only sending defensive material and not tanks etc but we hooked them up as much as we could. They had those shoulder launcher things to take down helicopters and tanks. Turkey and the Kurds is a delicate relationship and I think we did have to balance helping the Kurds fight ISIS while also limiting the disdain from Turkey.

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Middle east diplomacy? I dont think there are any "best case" scenarios re diplomacy. You could argue pros and cons for no fly zone or complete pull out or maintaining a monitor presence. All would be right but also wrong.

Damned if you, damned if you dont.

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Sunny,

I don't have a good answer for that. I suppose it is because no US politician has an effective policy for it, except to let it play out. If Trump refuses Erdogans request for Patriot missiles, you likely will see it come back into the mainstream but otherwise it will take a backpage to the sniping politics of all the media.

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