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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235634]Its not a lack of awareness at all. The complete opposite.

Bruce Allen knows that if we end the season 1-15 or 2-14, he's likely getting fired. Allen's best chance to keep his job is for the team to get to 5-11 or 6-10 and use a bunch of excuses to convince Snyder that they really are still "close."
To make that happen, Allen NEEDS all of these players on the roster.

Allen is quite aware of the situation and is doing what is in his own best interest. Why would he trade players for future draft picks when his doing so would only make it much more likely that he gets fired? Why screw himself over to help out his successor?

As a fan, that's what we want Allen to do because its whats best for the team. But whats best for the team is not whats best for Bruce Allen.[/quote]

I haven't heard anything all year long about Bruce's job being in danger. As much as we all want him to go, i think there is a better chance of him being here next year, possibly beyond. People seem to underestimate how close Dan and Bruce are. Way closer than him and Vinny ever were. This has been reported. Maybe Dan wakes up and realizes how toxic Bruce really is, but I doubt it. I hope i'm wrong. Everyone hopes that Bruce gets fired, i just don't see it happening.

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1235676]I haven't heard anything all year long about Bruce's job being in danger. As much as we all want him to go, i think there is a better chance of him being here next year, possibly beyond. People seem to underestimate how close Dan and Bruce are. Way closer than him and Vinny ever were. This has been reported. Maybe Dan wakes up and realizes how toxic Bruce really is, but I doubt it. I hope i'm wrong. Everyone hopes that Bruce gets fired, i just don't see it happening.[/QUOTE]



Agreed. To Snyder, who by all appearances is not that bright, does not know how to manage or motivate people, nor has any amount of NFL knowledge, Bruce Allen, he believes, is going to get him into a new stadium.

BA = new stadium in the future.

BA will eventually be sacrificed to the enormous media and fan pressure of continuous terrible seasons. But it will take several 1-3 win seasons to fire Bruce.


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[quote=Warthog;1235693]Agreed. To Snyder, who by all appearances is not that bright, does not know how to manage or motivate people, nor has any amount of NFL knowledge, Bruce Allen, he believes, is going to get him into a new stadium.

BA = new stadium in the future.

BA will eventually be sacrificed to the enormous media and fan pressure of continuous terrible seasons. [B]But it will take several 1-3 win seasons to fire Bruce.[/B]


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This is what I want. A 1 win season. Because this would totally humiliate Snyder to the point that he'd have no choice but to fire everyone. He'd have no choice but to bring in a GM.

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[quote=mooby;1235644]Idk how many games you've watched this year, but that's already the case. As long as Dan gets a cut of league revenue (which he does every year) we're not going to hurt his wallet.

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That and despite his bungling the Redskins are worth about 4x what he paid for them.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1235702]That and despite his bungling the Redskins are worth about 4x what he paid for them.[/quote]

OK -- then time to sell, Danny. Maybe Kevin Durant and Matthew McConaughey can join forces to buy their favorite team.

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Here's my master plan to get rid of Bruce Allen (which will never work):

- Fans reach out to Dale Jr. asking him to plead with Gibbs to talk to Snyder
- Gibbs tells Snyder he should fire Allen (Snyder worships Gibbs)
- Danny gets rid of BA

#onecanonlydream

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[quote=Ruhskins;1235744]Here's my master plan to get rid of Bruce Allen (which will never work):

- Fans reach out to Dale Jr. asking him to plead with Gibbs to talk to Snyder
- Gibbs tells Snyder he should fire Allen (Snyder worships Gibbs)
- Danny gets rid of BA

#onecanonlydream[/quote]

I don't think Joe Gibbs would advocate for harming another living person, either physically or by removing them from their job.

The better scenario is Dale Jr. calls Snyder directly and says "Dan, it's time. Bruce Allen has to go." And then everything magically clicks in Dan's head and it happens.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1235746]I don't think Joe Gibbs would advocate for harming another living person, either physically or by removing them from their job.



The better scenario is Dale Jr. calls Snyder directly and says "Dan, it's time. Bruce Allen has to go." And then everything magically clicks in Dan's head and it happens.[/QUOTE]Gibbs has cut and fired people as a head coach, if he saw the state of the franchise and felt passionate enough he would do something, but the last interview I saw of him he was talking about the Skins homefield advantage. That told me he has checked out of this team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1235766]Gibbs has cut and fired people as a head coach, if he saw the state of the franchise and felt passionate enough he would do something, but the last interview I saw of him he was talking about the Skins homefield advantage. That told me he has checked out of this team.

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He wasn't --- he was just talking about it when home field was RFK.

What can Gibbs do? He's probably as crushed as anyone to see the disrepair that the franchise has fallen in to. But he's moved on from football, and he's enjoying life. Wading into this mess would be the opposite of that.

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[QUOTE=calia;1235796]He wasn't --- he was just talking about it when home field was RFK.



What can Gibbs do? He's probably as crushed as anyone to see the disrepair that the franchise has fallen in to. But he's moved on from football, and he's enjoying life. Wading into this mess would be the opposite of that.[/QUOTE]Not sure what you mean, but Gibbs was asked about the advantage the current team had in that night's game, and he answered that it was the homefield fans, even though the stadium was flooded with the opponents fans.

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Bruce Allen will be fired when the media and fan pressure for Snyder to “do something” to repair the situation gets so high that this sacrifice must be made. That’s what happened to the last lackey, “yes man”, Vinny Cerrato. BA’s job is to be the front man so that Snyder can secretly make decisions about all aspects of the Redskins franchise. When BA is finally fired, he will be replaced by another toadie like Allen or Cerrato.

The unfortunate aspect of this teams location is that instead of there being 10,000 to 20,000 loyal fans showing up to each game - there are 20-50,000 opposing fans filling the seats every game. The NFL would demand action if the stadium was 75% empty every week. But it’s 50-70% full of fans, mostly from the opposition. So Snyder gets paid and the NFL doesn’t see an empty stadium. Also, Snyder paid $800 mill for the team twenty years ago and now it’s worth $3 billion.

The only way this situation changes is if Snyder grows a brain or FINALLY gives control of the team to a GM AND a HC who are NFL trained and NFL smart. O’Connell is a long-shot possibility to be a decent HC but Bruce Allen must be replaced as the GM. BA is just far too incompetent and he also doesn’t understand his many limitations. He’s an anchor that’s sinking this ship.


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New coach doesn’t matter.

I would go for a well organized leader of men.

We need a new GM.....is it possible to find a GM that can manage Dan Snyder?

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[QUOTE=30gut;1235830]New coach doesn’t matter.



I would go for a well organized leader of men.



We need a new GM.....is it possible to find a GM that can manage Dan Snyder?[/QUOTE]



Bruce Allen and Cerrato (the guy before him) are there out front, while Snyder sits behind and makes decisions. As long as Snyder keeps making decisions for the team, using BA as his interference, the team will stay bad. H’s just too incompetent, petty and just a poor leader.


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[url]https://nesn.com/2019/11/nfl-rumors-steve-belichick-has-been-patriots-defensive-play-caller/[/url]

Steve Belichick for defensive coordinator next year? I would def be intrigued by the possibility.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236313][url]https://nesn.com/2019/11/nfl-rumors-steve-belichick-has-been-patriots-defensive-play-caller/[/url]

Steve Belichick for defensive coordinator next year? I would def be intrigued by the possibility.[/quote]

Dare to dream.

Idk, but he might be able to get his foot in the door somewhere else...

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[quote=Chico23231;1236313][url]https://nesn.com/2019/11/nfl-rumors-steve-belichick-has-been-patriots-defensive-play-caller/[/url]

Steve Belichick for defensive coordinator next year? I would def be intrigued by the possibility.[/quote]

I'd be intrigued too, but maybe the Patriots (aka his dad) are grooming him for something bigger.

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There is a former Redskins player who has done a fantastic job as a GM, Martin Mayhew. I would hire him and let him find a coach.

[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mayhew[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236326]There is a former Redskins player who has done a fantastic job as a GM, Martin Mayhew. I would hire him and let him find a coach.

[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mayhew[/url][/quote]

Where did he do a fantastic job as GM? When he built those terrible Lions teams after serving as asst. GM to Matt Millen? Sure he's a senior personnel exec. for SF right now but how much credit do you give him for building that roster instead of John Lynch/Kyle S?

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[quote=mooby;1236343]Where did he do a fantastic job as GM? When he built those terrible Lions teams after serving as asst. GM to Matt Millen? Sure he's a senior personnel exec. for SF right now but how much credit do you give him for building that roster instead of John Lynch/Kyle S?[/quote]

If you lived here you would know.

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/482427002[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236345]If you lived here you would know.

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/482427002[/url][/quote]

Not always a huge Dane Cook fan, but this stand up was absolutely amazing...

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236345]If you lived here you would know.

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.freep.com/amp/482427002[/url][/quote]

Riiiiiiiight, but where do you draw the line between giving Mayhew the credit for building SF's roster and giving Lynch the credit for building SF's roster?

Have you ever considered maybe he's been effective in his role because there's literally no pressure on him?

Let me put it like this, are we giving Bruce Allen's assistants any heat for what a shitty job they do assisting Bruce in building our roster? Can you name any of Bruce's assistants without looking them up?

I'm not sold on Mayhew just because he's been an invaluable adviser to John Lynch on how to be a good GM.

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[quote=mooby;1236350]Riiiiiiiight, but where do you draw the line between giving Mayhew the credit for building SF's roster and giving Lynch the credit for building SF's roster?

Have you ever considered maybe he's been effective in his role because there's literally no pressure on him?

Let me put it like this, are we giving Bruce Allen's assistants any heat for what a shitty job they do assisting Bruce in building our roster? Can you name any of Bruce's assistants without looking them up?

I'm not sold on Mayhew just because he's been an invaluable adviser to John Lynch on how to be a good GM.[/quote]

First off Bruce Allen is worthlessness POS, Kyle Smith has done a fine job picking players the last 2 years. Mayhew would take over Allen’s role which oversees operations and would know Kyle is doing a fine job and would provide his input. Doesn’t mean what happened in Detroit was all his fault. Belichick was a failure in Cleveland, what happened after that? Mayhem is smart and well respected executive.

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I would take anybody over Bruce!!

Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1236326]There is a former Redskins player who has done a fantastic job as a GM, Martin Mayhew. I would hire him and let him find a coach.



[url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Mayhew[/url][/QUOTE]



Snyder would love this Redskins background but it would take a MONSTER guaranteed contract and a written guarantee from Snyder not to interfere In any personnel decisions.


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Personally, I’d like to see Kyle Smith in the GM ROLE. Give him full power. He has a great job drafting player even from the lower ranks.. Look at Harmon for one or Quinn for another. We need every draft pick to count- especially the first one. That #3 must a superstar player to ignite the defense or offense


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We need someone from the outside who’s had a different experience, winning and teambuilding in a successful org.

No ex redskins and no internal candidates for GM.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236363]We need someone from the outside who’s had a different experience, winning and teambuilding in a successful org.

No ex redskins and no internal candidates for GM.[/quote]

You guys have had some good coach's ,honest question, what do you think the problem is?

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[quote=Giantone;1236364]You guys have had some good coach's ,honest question, what do you think the problem is?[/quote]

The owner is the problem. You are right, this organization has had some good coaches but the owner wont let the coaches and football people do what they do best without meddling and undercutting them. It started with firing a proven coach in Marty Schottenheimer after one season to hire the flavor of the day, the Ol Ball Coach and has continued from there.

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[quote=Chico23231;1236363]We need someone from the outside who’s had a different experience, winning and teambuilding in a successful org.

No ex redskins and no internal candidates for GM.[/quote]

I would like to say that would work but we saw what happened with Shanny.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236352]First off Bruce Allen is worthlessness POS, Kyle Smith has done a fine job picking players the last 2 years. Mayhew would take over Allen’s role which oversees operations and would know Kyle is doing a fine job and would provide his input. Doesn’t mean what happened in Detroit was all his fault. Belichick was a failure in Cleveland, what happened after that? Mayhem is smart and well respected executive.[/quote]

Which players has Kyle Smith personally picked over the last two years?

Last I heard picking players was a group effort, with Allen, Smith, Doug Williams, and Gruden all having input (up until this year when popular opinion is that Gruden was ousted from the group).

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[quote=mooby;1236380]Which players has Kyle Smith personally picked over the last two years?

Last I heard picking players was a group effort, with Allen, Smith, Doug Williams, and Gruden all having input (up until this year when popular opinion is that Gruden was ousted from the group).[/quote]

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/john_keim/status/994252815898955776[/url]

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/john_keim/status/1122264957389873153[/url]

Look who created the draft board

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1236385][url]https://mobile.twitter.com/john_keim/status/994252815898955776[/url]

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/john_keim/status/1122264957389873153[/url]

Look who created the draft board[/quote]

You're not showing me anything I haven't already seen. I'm already on the record as being a Kyle Smith fan. Just asking you where you draw the line between giving Kyle Smith all the credit for this draft class and giving the other major-decision makers credit too?

My entire point in this convo is you seem determined to give Mayhew the credit for John Lynch's success and the success SF has had building a team. I'm not sold on Mayhew leading a team just because of that. He's already tried to lead a dogshit franchise out of the dumpster and failed. We're not San Fran, we don't build teams the right way, and we've seen many a successful man come to this organization and have his name tarnished by the time he leaves. I don't think Mayhew is the guy that's going to buck that trend.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1236426]You're not showing me anything I haven't already seen. I'm already on the record as being a Kyle Smith fan. Just asking you where you draw the line between giving Kyle Smith all the credit for this draft class and giving the other major-decision makers credit too?



My entire point in this convo is you seem determined to give Mayhew the credit for John Lynch's success and the success SF has had building a team. I'm not sold on Mayhew leading a team just because of that. He's already tried to lead a dogshit franchise out of the dumpster and failed. We're not San Fran, we don't build teams the right way, and we've seen many a successful man come to this organization and have his name tarnished by the time he leaves. I don't think Mayhew is the guy that's going to buck that trend.[/QUOTE]



Moo by, at the very least, Kyle Smith was the leader of the draft “selection committee”. He was the main source of player names. The Redskins have had two pretty successful drafts under that leadership in the last two years. Reward that success with a move up. I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE he is better than that numbnut Bruce Allen.

With the current owner Kyle Smith could get more autonomy than ever before, because Snyder knows him. I see no GM candidates of note coming here from the outside with current chaos and dysfunction. Someone of Smith’s talent could stop a lot of the buffoonery caused by BA’s incompetence.


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[quote=Warthog;1236651]Moo by, at the very least, Kyle Smith was the leader of the draft “selection committee”. He was the main source of player names. The Redskins have had two pretty successful drafts under that leadership in the last two years. Reward that success with a move up. [B]I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE he is better than that numbnut Bruce Allen.[/B]

With the current owner Kyle Smith could get more autonomy than ever before, because Snyder knows him. I see no GM candidates of note coming here from the outside with current chaos and dysfunction. Someone of Smith’s talent could stop a lot of the buffoonery caused by BA’s incompetence.


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That's a low bar to set.

I like Kyle Smith too Warthog, my only concern with him is his mind potentially being corrupted by working in the suck with Bruce Allen. God forbid he looks at how Bruce Allen operates and thinks he's a good leader to model after.

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U guys still think Tomlin is overrated?

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1236680]U guys still think Tomlin is overrated?[/QUOTE]



Well i do think the Rams stink.

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Steelers will finish 9-7. Lose to the good teams and beat the bad ones but they got no quarterback so....

Who will be the next coach of the Redskins and does it even freakin matter?
 

The only way a talented, NFL-proven, HC comes here is if he gets far more power and autonomy than had been offered before. Unless this new HC is coming here JUST for the $$$MONEY, only, he must know the history and what the Snyder/Allen oversight has cost every single prior coach before him.

That may be the best course of action, getting a talented, NFL OC or DC , who INSISTS on massive autonomy to include removing Bruce Allen from his GM position and pushing Snyder out of his manipulations. Doubtful but we can still hope!

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I’m just going to leave this here....

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It’s all up to Snyder: dump his buddy Bruce Allen and hire from the NFL talent pool of hot OC or DC’s.

OR hire from within the Redskins organization or hire some bizzaro-choice (e.g., like Jim Zorn - a QB coach) from way outside the decent choices so that he and BA can continue to play around and meddle while the team tanks.


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