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[quote=MTK;1235931]I'm leaning towards him not starting against Buffalo. I think the team is fine with him not starting at all this year. And no guarantees he heads into next year as the starter. Don't call it an Alex Smith comeback folks.[/quote]

what a fucking debacle. fucking horseshit team...are they seriously trotting out Alex fucking Smith? jesus Christ, fuck this garbage team. Haskins better be starting by next year.

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[quote=Chico23231;1235936]what a fucking debacle. fucking horseshit team...are they seriously trotting out Alex fucking Smith? jesus Christ, fuck this garbage team. Haskins better be starting by next year.[/quote]

If Alex Smith starts over Haskins next year after that broken leg, it will be tantamount to admitting Haskins is a failed draft pick.

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[quote=MTK;1235934]Problem is what do we know based on 22 passes and no starts



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Eye test. We can tell he has no idea what he's doing. Like no idea, none, at all.

It's not the size of the sample, it's how he's been not just late to deliver the ball, but like he doesn't even know the receiver is supposed to break off his route, and he's waiting for guys to show as open before he throws it. It's how he locks onto receiving targets with his eyes, and it's how he holds the ball way too long.

It's an indicator of exactly how slowly he's picking up the playbook. All QBs come in green with it and have to learn. Some learn faster than others. But you have to be alarmed at how [B]slowly[/B] he's learning it.

Four INTs in 22 passes is alarmingly bad. If he keeps learning at this rate he won't be ready to start until his rookie contract is up.

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[quote=Schneed10;1235938]If Alex Smith starts over Haskins next year after that broken leg, it will be tantamount to admitting Haskins is a failed draft pick.[/quote]

Exactly...that leg injury was terrible. I’d really have concerns putting him on the field...mentor Haskins? That would be a perfect role...I think his contract basically ties us to him again for next year

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[quote=Schneed10;1235939]Eye test. We can tell he has no idea what he's doing. Like no idea, none, at all.

It's not the size of the sample, it's how he's been not just late to deliver the ball, but like he doesn't even know the receiver is supposed to break off his route, and he's waiting for guys to show as open before he throws it. It's how he locks onto receiving targets with his eyes, and it's how he holds the ball way too long.

It's an indicator of exactly how slowly he's picking up the playbook. All QBs come in green with it and have to learn. Some learn faster than others. But you have to be alarmed at how [B]slowly[/B] he's learning it.

Four INTs in 22 passes is alarmingly bad. If he keeps learning at this rate he won't be ready to start until his rookie contract is up.[/quote]

Victim of circumstance. From day 1 he's been on the back burner and developing him properly hasn't been the #1 priority.

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As of now, Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, Dak Prescott, Jameis Winston, and Marcus Mariota are all set to be free agents next year. We will have a new head coach next year. If he has close ties to one of them, we cant rule out the skins signing them.

I mean, would anyone truly be surprised if Wisenhunt were our coach and Rivers our QB next year?

I'm not saying its likely to happen. But given the history of the way this organization operates, we cant limit our thinking to assuming the 2020 QB will be Haskins or Smith.

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[quote=Schneed10;1235939]Eye test. We can tell he has no idea what he's doing. Like no idea, none, at all.

It's not the size of the sample, it's how he's been not just late to deliver the ball, but like he doesn't even know the receiver is supposed to break off his route, and he's waiting for guys to show as open before he throws it. It's how he locks onto receiving targets with his eyes, and it's how he holds the ball way too long.

It's an indicator of exactly how slowly he's picking up the playbook. All QBs come in green with it and have to learn. Some learn faster than others. But you have to be alarmed at how [B]slowly[/B] he's learning it.

Four INTs in 22 passes is alarmingly bad. If he keeps learning at this rate he won't be ready to start until his rookie contract is up.[/quote]

-timing
-throwing to a space
-knowing when a receiver will break their route
- knowing how far a certain receiver will push their route down field
-not locking onto your primary read
- using your eyes to shift a safety
-feeling the pressure while keeping your eyes down field

^^ these are like premier top 15 in the NFL type traits. These also seem to be timing, quick hit west coast type traits. He seems to be a better version of Jason Campbell. Big arm, hangs in the pocket.

How is he supposed to get chemistry and timing down with the receivers if he is not in game? He needs to be in there so he can have 3rd and 7s and find out just how far a certain WR will push an out route before breaking it off. he needs to play with the guys to build up the trust that if he puts the ball in the right place, the receiver is on the same page and he can trust the receiver will get to that space.

My eyes tell me he just doesnt have the "it" but I have to remind myself that we have only seen what this kid can do under bad circumstances. I want to see what he can do after like 6 starts where he practiced w the 1s. Where we know what works for him and what doesnt.

He has a live NFL arm.

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In RG3's rookie year does anyone think he would have had any success at all if he was dropped into a traditional offense and took a small share of the snaps in camp? He would have been a fucking disaster.

RG3 is proof that if you go all in on developing a rookie QB he can have success. What the Skins have done with Haskins so far is what you do with a guy you have no interest in playing at all as a rookie, and who even knows in year 2 how serious they'll be in getting him ready. Keeping in line with Bruce's "we're close" way of thinking, and Callahan's comments about developing Haskins like Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers (meaning they're ok with him sitting a while), I can totally see a scenario where it's Smith or Keenum starting in 2020.

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[quote=MTK;1235944]In RG3's rookie year does anyone think he would have had any success at all if he was dropped into a traditional offense and took a small share of the snaps in camp? He would have been a fucking disaster.

RG3 is proof that if you go all in on developing a rookie QB he can have success. What the Skins have done with Haskins so far is what you do with a guy you have no interest in playing at all as a rookie, and who even knows in year 2 how serious they'll be in getting him ready. Keeping in line with Bruce's "we're close" way of thinking, and Callahan's comments about developing Haskins like Steve Young or Aaron Rodgers (meaning they're ok with him sitting a while), I can totally see a scenario where it's Smith or Keenum starting in 2020.[/quote]

If your first round pick can't beat out a recovering and very old Alex Smith, or the ultimate journeyman in Keenum, then your first round pick is a bust.

Rodgers and Young both sat. But they didn't sit behind Keenum. They sat behind two of the greatest of all time.

If Haskins can't beat out Keenum next year we got problems.

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I mean there's no point in labeling the dude a bust now. He's under contract with us for at least three more years at a rookie dollar figure. So you give him time and see how he does. But next year will tell us a lot, and I'd be lying if I didn't say I was pretty discouraged so far.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1235945]If your first round pick can't beat out a recovering and very old Alex Smith, or the ultimate journeyman in Keenum, then your first round pick is a bust.



Rodgers and Young both sat. But they didn't sit behind Keenum. They sat behind two of the greatest of all time.



If Haskins can't beat out Keenum next year we got problems.[/QUOTE]


Well again, if the team doesn’t commit to developing him properly they have to share in the blame if he ends up a bust. So far the Skins have shown no sense of urgency in developing him.

If I’m Haskins I’m hiring a QB guru and moving in with him in the offseason.



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[QUOTE=MTK;1235934]Problem is what do we know based on 22 passes and no starts



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Which can be resolved by him starting for the rest of the year.

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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1235942]As of now, Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, Dak Prescott, Jameis Winston, and Marcus Mariota are all set to be free agents next year. We will have a new head coach next year. If he has close ties to one of them, we cant rule out the skins signing them.



I mean, would anyone truly be surprised if Wisenhunt were our coach and Rivers our QB next year?



I'm not saying its likely to happen. But given the history of the way this organization operates, we cant limit our thinking to assuming the 2020 QB will be Haskins or Smith.[/QUOTE]



Brady and Rivers will be retiring by the time we are ready to compete as a team. Winston is fucking awful. So is Mariota. Dak would be acceptable but Im not sure he is as acceptable as what kind of money he will want. So no no no no and no. I know u are not necessarily in favor of any of these moves just my two cents.

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impatient bs from Dan as usual. We could have rode it out with keenum, as we pretty much are anyway - and drafted a day one contributor at 15 and waited on qb for next year. fuckin annoying.

wont give up on haskins yet but obviously no one has a strong impression.

And i agree, if you havent been coaching him up all year cuz you were trying to focus on saving your job this year, which you failed at, is not fair to the player mentally or physically when it comes to development

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I'll be there SUnday , HTTR

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1235942][B]As of now, Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, Dak Prescott, Jameis Winston, and Marcus Mariota [/B]are all set to be free agents next year. We will have a new head coach next year. If he has close ties to one of them, we cant rule out the skins signing them.

I mean, would anyone truly be surprised if Wisenhunt were our coach and Rivers our QB next year?

I'm not saying its likely to happen. But given the history of the way this organization operates, we cant limit our thinking to assuming the 2020 QB will be Haskins or Smith.[/quote]

Out of those five the last two are trash and would be the only ones who in their right mind would even think of coming to the Redskins. You really think Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers would want to end their careers in DC on a team that finished the previous year 1-15 with no prospects for immediate improvement? Dak will finally come to terms with the Cowboys, we all know that. As for the remaining two they aren't any better than what the trio we have has shown lately.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1235964]I'll be there SUnday , HTTR[/quote]

Please do a favor for all of us people on the forum, wear a shirt that says "F you Snyder and Allen!"

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1235966]Out of those five the last two are trash and would be the only ones who in their right mind would even think of coming to the Redskins. You really think Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers would want to end their careers in DC on a team that finished the previous year 1-15 with no prospects for immediate improvement? Dak will finally come to terms with the Cowboys, we all know that. As for the remaining two they aren't any better than what the trio we have has shown lately.[/quote]

I'm just listing whos available. Would Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers want to end their careers here? Probably not. But if the Skins traded 10 1st round picks to the Patriots and Belichek was the coach or the skins hired Wisenhut, perhaps theyd be interested. Garret could be fired and that could entice Dak to sign here.

The point of my comment was that we shouldn't be ruling anything out. Snyder's history shows he likes to make a major splash after completely disastrous seasons. And this one is going to end in a disaster. I don't see us finishing better than 2-14. I'm expecting a major shakeup in the offseason with Snyder firing bruce or moving him to only work on the stadium deal, bringing in some sort of big name coach/GM and giving them total control. It is not very likely that theyre going to want to be handcuffed to Haskins or Smith to start their tenure. That's only going to happen if Snyder can't get the big name and is stuck promoting Oconnell or getting a Jim Zorn type with no cred.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1235952]Well again, if the team doesn’t commit to developing him properly they have to share in the blame if he ends up a bust. So far the Skins have shown no sense of urgency in developing him.

If I’m Haskins I’m hiring a QB guru and moving in with him in the offseason.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Serious question.

From the outside looking in, what about him warrants the team committing to developing him?

Why spend extra effort and resources on Haskins rather than keep searching?

I do think it's too early to make any declarations about his future. The guys inside the building should have a really good idea of what he is and his ceiling.

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[quote=MTK;1235952]Well again, if the team doesn’t commit to developing him properly they have to share in the blame if he ends up a bust. So far the Skins have shown no sense of urgency in developing him.

If I’m Haskins I’m hiring a QB guru and moving in with him in the offseason.



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this doesn't make any sense...OConnel, Kavanaugh, Tim Ratey should all be working to develop him. I don't think Jay gave a shit, but that has changed. Callahan has said developing Haskins is something they are doing, so starting him only makes sense.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1235972]Serious question.

From the outside looking in, [B]what about him warrants the team committing to developing him?
[/B]
Why spend extra effort and resources on Haskins rather than keep searching?

I do think it's too early to make any declarations about his future. The guys inside the building should have a really good idea of what he is and his ceiling.

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Maybe since they used the 15th overall pick on him?

We're not talking about a 7th round pick here, significant draft capital was used to take him and he hasn't started a game yet and until recently wasn't even getting first team reps in practice.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1235974]Maybe since they used the 15th overall pick on him?

We're not talking about a 7th round pick here, significant draft capital was used to take him and he hasn't started a game yet and until recently wasn't even getting first team reps in practice.[/QUOTE]You're advocating discounting any sunk cost analysis because Dan pulled the trigger at 15?

Should the team avoid picking another talent at QB because it would take resources away from developing Haskins simply because of where he was drafted?

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1235966]Out of those five the last two are trash and would be the only ones who in their right mind would even think of coming to the Redskins. You really think Tom Brady and Phillip Rivers would want to end their careers in DC on a team that finished the previous year 1-15 with no prospects for immediate improvement? Dak will finally come to terms with the Cowboys, we all know that. As for the remaining two they aren't any better than what the trio we have has shown lately.[/quote]

Winston is better than anyone we currently have. If he was out there as a free agent I'd think about it.

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I can’t believe we’re talking about the next QB when this one has zero starts.


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[quote=skinsfan69;1235978]Winston is better than anyone we currently have. If he was out there as a free agent I'd think about it.[/quote]

my lord dude is the definition of a turnover machine, 70 INTs and 46 fumbles in 63 games, I'd just stick with Keenum if we're going bargain shopping at QB again

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[quote=MTK;1235982]my lord dude is the definition of a turnover machine, 70 INTs and 46 fumbles in 63 games, I'd just stick with Keenum if we're going bargain shopping at QB again[/quote]

But his Uber finger-blasting-the-driver metric is high and successful crab leg thefts are 80%.

I like the non measurables-analytics with Winston...could add some roster drama in the QB room with Alex “pegleg” Smith...and a first round pick who can’t comprehend a playbook.

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Case Keenum still in concussion protocol. Dwayne Haskins got majority of work at practice. No final decision for Sunday in Buffalo.
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Even if he doesnt practice all week? Yesh. Perhaps coach talk for not letting the Bills know who to prepare for. 4 D chess. We are going to lose by single digits this time.

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[quote=GridIron26;1235968]Please do a favor for all of us people on the forum, wear a shirt that says "F you Snyder and Allen!"[/quote]

was thinking paper bag

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Case could be in concussion protocol for awhile. Look at what happened to Reed.

Haskins will get to practice with the 1st team and start. Then we’ll see how he does.

The key aspect of this season is what happens after the last game of a disastrous season. I also think the Trent Williams fiasco has hurt the Redskins. The media has not been shy about targeting BA and the Redskins medical staff for the TW buffoonery. The Redskin organization looks real BAD with the possible medical misdiagnosis of cancer AND then PUNISHING the Redskins team captain and best player in the last decade by holding him on the team, when he wants to leave.

Snyder might just have to sacrifice Bruce Allen for the season’s results and also for the TW disaster. Can Snyder bring in a real GM with certified NFL talent and also give up some control of the team? Unfortunately, I’m just not sure if Snyder has the smarts or courage to make such a move.
His tendency I to hire a superstar OC to try to make Haskins work.

As for the #3 draft pick - that is what I going to help convince a HC to come here, and $5-6 mill / yr - five year contract. Dan will want to make a big splash with his HC and/or a new GM, after all the disasters this season.

I hope the team draft the BPA for the draft - who undoubtedly is the Edge Rusher, Chase Young. He’s the kind of splash superstar that Snyder wants. He might even get some fans to come to some games to see this amazing talent join a damn good DL. With a new DC, the defense has the talent (with good draft picks and FA) to be in the top ten.




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[quote=skinsfaninok;1236003]was thinking paper bag[/quote]

Can't go wrong with that but really, I was just playing. Go and enjoy the day!

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[quote=Chico23231;1235983]But his Uber finger-blasting-the-driver metric is high and successful crab leg thefts are 80%.

I like the non measurables-analytics with Winston...could add some roster drama in the QB room with Alex “pegleg” Smith...and a first round pick who can’t comprehend a playbook.[/quote]

The Redskins signed a guy who whipped his kid in the balls with a stick and another who beat his girlfriend. If you ask me he'd fit right in.

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Has anyone seen any reporting on how Haskins is looking? Ive read reports that:

-Case is stretching not practicing and is in protocol.
- AP and CT are not practicing.
- Guice is looking good in drills, theres video of him looking like he is going full speed. REALLY EXCITED to see what Guice is as a player. Love his attitude to adversity. Hes one reason to pay attention to the remaining games (as long as he stays healthy).

- is McClaurin's hammy 100%?
- is Scherff and Roullier 100%?
- Dunbar?

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[quote=SunnySide;1236028]Has anyone seen any reporting on how Haskins is looking? Ive read reports that:

-Case is stretching not practicing and is in protocol.
- AP and CT are not practicing.
- Guice is looking good in drills, theres video of him looking like he is going full speed. REALLY EXCITED to see what Guice is as a player. Love his attitude to adversity. Hes one reason to pay attention to the remaining games (as long as he stays healthy).

- is McClaurin's hammy 100%?
- is Scherff and Roullier 100%?
- Dunbar?[/quote]

As a Skins fan, I think a current utopian view would be to have Haskins step into the true QB leadership role, Guice become the healthy stud he can be, and an offense for the next 5 years featuring Haskins to McClaurin, with Scherff and TW on a top 5 blocking OL.

Reality is so disheartening

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case keenum still in concussion protocol. Dwayne haskins got majority of work at practice. No final decision for sunday in buffalo.
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even if he doesnt practice all week? Yesh. Perhaps coach talk for not letting the bills know who to prepare for. 4 d chess. We are going to lose by single digits this time.[/quote]

fuck you callahan.

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Czaban show, 10-31-19, about 13 min into hour 2, during the fantasy football segment:

Czabe says he got a confidential email from a source who said Haskins has been going to places in town he shouldn't be going and this explains why he doesn't know the playbook.

This is an anonymous source from a radio guy so take it for what it's worth. But, he said it. Speaking from sources is unusual for his show.

Compared him to Johnson under Spurrier.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1236028]Has anyone seen any reporting on how Haskins is looking? Ive read reports that:



-Case is stretching not practicing and is in protocol.

- AP and CT are not practicing.

- Guice is looking good in drills, theres video of him looking like he is going full speed. REALLY EXCITED to see what Guice is as a player. Love his attitude to adversity. Hes one reason to pay attention to the remaining games (as long as he stays healthy).



- is McClaurin's hammy 100%?

- is Scherff and Roullier 100%?

- Dunbar?[/QUOTE]



Honestly sit em all until next year.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1236032]As a Skins fan, I think a current utopian view would be to have Haskins step into the true QB leadership role, Guice become the healthy stud he can be, and an offense for the next 5 years featuring Haskins to McClaurin, with Scherff and TW on a top 5 blocking OL.



Reality is so disheartening[/QUOTE]



All possible except TW is never ever suiting up as a skin again. Said it since the story broke. Sometimes i hate to be right.

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[QUOTE=DYoungJelly;1236063]Czaban show, 10-31-19, about 13 min into hour 2, during the fantasy football segment:

Czabe says he got a confidential email from a source who said Haskins has been going to places in town he shouldn't be going and this explains why he doesn't know the playbook.

This is an anonymous source from a radio guy so take it for what it's worth. But, he said it. Speaking from sources is unusual for his show.

Compared him to Johnson under Spurrier.

Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]Why do I feel the season will end with an anonymous video of Gruden, Haskins and Williams hanging out at a Quickie Mart sharing joints and trying to get some inappropriate female companionship.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1236063]
Czaban show, 10-31-19, about 13 min into hour 2, during the fantasy football segment:
Czabe says he got a confidential email from a source who said Haskins has been going to places in town he shouldn't be going and this explains why he doesn't know the playbook.
[/quote]
There's probably a lot of truth to this. There has also been zero accountability on the team since he got here.
Gruden didn't help at all and pretty much treated him like a redheaded stepchild.


Haskins needs a do over and the Jared Goff treatment from the next coach.

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[quote=jamf;1236072]There's probably a lot of truth to this. There has also been zero accountability on the team since he got here.
Gruden didn't help at all and pretty much treated him like a redheaded stepchild.


Haskins needs a do over and [B]the Jared Goff treatment from the next coach.[/B][/quote]

That would mean hiring the NFL's best and brightest to come here and work for Dan Snyder.

I have better odds that Bruce Allen wins exec. of the year before that happening.