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[quote=Chico23231;1244457]NBC Sports Washington's JP Finlay reports Redskins CB [B]Quinton Dunbar does not intend to take part in the team's voluntary offseason workouts. [/B]

Dunbar's set to make $4.4 million in the the final year of his contract next season — a travesty considering Josh Norman accounted for $15 million off Washington's books just last year. Pro Football Focus' No. 3 corner among 209 qualifiers while healthy in '19, Dunbar has dealt with a number of injuries the past two seasons and is simply holding out from voluntary workouts to avoid unnecessary nicks and long-term damage. It remains unclear whether he wants a new contract from the franchise or would prefer to test the waters as an unrestricted free agent in 2021.[/quote]

Well, I understand where Dunbar is coming from.. I hope Redskins will come up with a good contract for Dunbar that could become a significant raise based on incentives due to his injuries history. I doubt Dunbar will be quick to accept that though.

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/2/10/21131377/report-quinton-dunbar-to-skip-redskins-otas-as-he-enters-contract-year[/url]

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Well, looking ahead...

I made a list of 2020 Free agents who I think could help us:

Offense:

TE - Eric Ebron. Age 27. Eric has posted four straight seasons of PFF grades of 69.0 or above. He is a reliable receiving option and a true Red Zone threat. In 2018 alone he scored an eye-opening 13 TD’s. Estimated salary $7M.

WR - Emmanuel Sanders. Age 33. He is an excellent route runner with exceptional hands and a history of NFL success. I see him as a stabilizing veteran presence and mentor for our WR group for a season or two. Estimated salary $10M.

OT - Dennis Kelly. Age 30. He is a natural RT, although he has played at LT, as well. He was a backup in Philly until he was traded to Tennessee. He has been a very good pass protector who allows few sacks and commits very few penalties. Estimated salary ??. He could be a bargain as a UFA.

Defense

FS - Tre Boston. Age 28. Tre is a true FS. He is a playmaker who is outstanding in coverage. Played for CAR last season. He could be a great fit working with Collins. Estimated salary $8M.

Slot Corner - It’s our hometown hero, Kendall Fuller! Age 25. He was possibly the top slot corner in the League when he was with us so, of course, Bruce Allen traded him. He played out of position at safety for KC. He is a playmaker and it is time to bring him home to play the slot for us. Estimated salary $5M.

That’s all I’ve got to offer as FA possibilities. There just aren’t very many players to be had as FA’s who won’t cost a fortune or who I think can move the needle upwards for us.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1244483]Well, looking ahead...

I made a list of 2020 Free agents who I think could help us:

Offense:

TE - Eric Ebron. Age 27. Eric has posted four straight seasons of PFF grades of 69.0 or above. He is a reliable receiving option and a true Red Zone threat. In 2018 alone he scored an eye-opening 13 TD’s. Estimated salary $7M.

WR - Emmanuel Sanders. Age 33. He is an excellent route runner with exceptional hands and a history of NFL success. I see him as a stabilizing veteran presence and mentor for our WR group for a season or two. Estimated salary $10M.

OT - Dennis Kelly. Age 30. He is a natural RT, although he has played at LT, as well. He was a backup in Philly until he was traded to Tennessee. He has been a very good pass protector who allows few sacks and commits very few penalties. Estimated salary ??. He could be a bargain as a UFA.

Defense

FS - Tre Boston. Age 28. Tre is a true FS. He is a playmaker who is outstanding in coverage. Played for CAR last season. He could be a great fit working with Collins. Estimated salary $8M.

Slot Corner - It’s our hometown hero, Kendall Fuller! Age 25. He was possibly the top slot corner in the League when he was with us so, of course, Bruce Allen traded him. He played out of position at safety for KC. He is a playmaker and it is time to bring him home to play the slot for us. Estimated salary $5M.

That’s all I’ve got to offer as FA possibilities. There just aren’t very many players to be had as FA’s who won’t cost a fortune or who I think can move the needle upwards for us.[/quote]

Good list, would be nice to add another RB as well.. Let CT go

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1244483]Well, looking ahead...



I made a list of 2020 Free agents who I think could help us:



Offense:



TE - Eric Ebron. Age 27. Eric has posted four straight seasons of PFF grades of 69.0 or above. He is a reliable receiving option and a true Red Zone threat. In 2018 alone he scored an eye-opening 13 TD’s. Estimated salary $7M.



WR - Emmanuel Sanders. Age 33. He is an excellent route runner with exceptional hands and a history of NFL success. I see him as a stabilizing veteran presence and mentor for our WR group for a season or two. Estimated salary $10M.



OT - Dennis Kelly. Age 30. He is a natural RT, although he has played at LT, as well. He was a backup in Philly until he was traded to Tennessee. He has been a very good pass protector who allows few sacks and commits very few penalties. Estimated salary ??. He could be a bargain as a UFA.



Defense



FS - Tre Boston. Age 28. Tre is a true FS. He is a playmaker who is outstanding in coverage. Played for CAR last season. He could be a great fit working with Collins. Estimated salary $8M.



Slot Corner - It’s our hometown hero, Kendall Fuller! Age 25. He was possibly the top slot corner in the League when he was with us so, of course, Bruce Allen traded him. He played out of position at safety for KC. He is a playmaker and it is time to bring him home to play the slot for us. Estimated salary $5M.



That’s all I’ve got to offer as FA possibilities. There just aren’t very many players to be had as FA’s who won’t cost a fortune or who I think can move the needle upwards for us.[/QUOTE]



Really good list and research. I think Ebron is a decent choice at TE but if we’re going to pay the big money, why not go for the gold? That means Hooper or Henry. One may be franchised by their teams but getting either will be a HUGE improvement for the offense. We’d go from nothing at TE (both Reed and Davis were hurt almost the entire season) to elite for receiving and blocking in such a critical position. Also, both Hooper and Henry are young, which means they play with us for years. Getting either will really help Haskins in the red zone. I think the team will really spend their money on this position because we have nothing there now.

I agree with Tre Boston at FS. I mean he played for RR so they know how good he is. He and Collins are well matched to help protect each other’s weaknesses.

I also agree with Kendall Fuller. He’s underrated because they had him out of position at KC. He will be cheap and an a real deal. But only for a short contract in case he doesn’t come back to form at CB.




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[quote=Warthog;1244568]Really good list and research. I think Ebron is a decent choice at TE but if we’re going to pay the big money, why not go for the gold? That means Hooper or Henry. One may be franchised by their teams but getting either will be a HUGE improvement for the offense. We’d go from nothing at TE (both Reed and Davis were hurt almost the entire season) to elite for receiving and blocking in such a critical position. Also, both Hooper and Henry are young, which means they play with us for years. Getting either will really help Haskins in the red zone. I think the team will really spend their money on this position because we have nothing there now.

I agree with Tre Boston at FS. I mean he played for RR so they know how good he is. He and Collins are well matched to help protect each other’s weaknesses.

I also agree with Kendall Fuller. He’s underrated because they had him out of position at KC. He will be cheap and an a real deal. But only for a short contract in case he doesn’t come back to form at CB.




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Thanks for the compliment. I like Ebron as a proven Red Zone threat. I think Hooper hasn't scored much. I also thought Ebron might not have as high a price tag as Hooper. I'd gladly take either one.

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Norman to be cut. No surprises there.


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good

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My FA wish list: Jack Conklin, Austin Hooper, Carlos Hyde, Cory Littleton, and James Bradberry

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1244579]Thanks for the compliment. I like Ebron as a proven Red Zone threat. I think Hooper hasn't scored much. I also thought Ebron might not have as high a price tag as Hooper. I'd gladly take either one.[/QUOTE]



Ebron has a history with drops, so most don’t consider him as among the top-ranked TE. Ebron is very good but not the top level of TE FA.

Hooper is the very best TE FA and only will cost what we paid Reed. Henry is another top TE to consider. I hope Hooper/Henry is the first FA pickup we make. His acquisition will help Haskins and our Red Zone offense.

Besides getting a big-ticket TE like Hooper or Henry ($10 mill/yr) I also give it a good possibility that we take Greg Olsen for a one-year contract.


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Saw that Lions might be trading Darius Slay (per Schefter). Wouldn't mind trading for him and extending him. He's on his last year.

Get Slay and keep Dunbar or sign Bradberry.

A lot of money but CB is an important position.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1244850]Saw that Lions might be trading Darius Slay (per Schefter). Wouldn't mind trading for him and extending him. He's on his last year.

Get Slay and keep Dunbar or sign Bradberry.

A lot of money but CB is an important position.[/quote]

Detroit is probably asking for a 1st round pick or multiple picks which we do not have nor have the luxury to trade away.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1244851]Detroit is probably asking for a 1st round pick or multiple picks which we do not have nor have the luxury to trade away.[/quote]

Agreed. Trading our #1 for Slay will give Detroit CY or they will draft QB and CB and hand CY to the Giants.

If CY lives up to his billing he'll have as positive an effect on the secondary as a #1 CB if not more. If we resign Dunbar and pick up someone like Bradberry, why give up a 1st and maybe more for Slay? Not nearly enough of an upgrade IMHO.

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[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102058/article/ten-wide-receivers-worth-pursuing-in-free-agency2020-nfl-draft[/url]

Wondering if it would be worth going after Anderson and/or Watkins as #2 to McLaurin. Probably too expensive but Anderson is proven and Watkins is coming off a decent season and surely won't be as expensive as his current $21M pay level.

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1244852]Agreed. Trading our #1 for Slay will give Detroit CY or they will draft QB and CB and hand CY to the Giants.

If CY lives up to his billing he'll have as positive an effect on the secondary as a #1 CB if not more. If we resign Dunbar and pick up someone like Bradberry, why give up a 1st and maybe more for Slay? Not nearly enough of an upgrade IMHO.[/quote]

And TJ Carrie is now an FA?...

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1244853][url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001102058/article/ten-wide-receivers-worth-pursuing-in-free-agency2020-nfl-draft[/url]

Wondering if it would be worth going after Anderson and/or Watkins as #2 to McLaurin. Probably too expensive but Anderson is proven and Watkins is coming off a decent season and surely won't be as expensive as his current $21M pay level.[/quote]

Breshad Perriman had 36 rec, 645 yds, and 6 TDs last season in Tampa Bay, behind Evans and Godwin in targets.

I know he came on the team in the middle of the 2018 season and didn't fare so well. But those are some decent numbers and I wouldn't mind trying him out.


The WR is going to be super expense (Amari) or with players who are older and expensive (Sanders, AJ Green).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1244851]Detroit is probably asking for a 1st round pick or multiple picks which we do not have nor have the luxury to trade away.[/quote]

Obviously I wouldn't trade our 1st round pick. But if we could do like our 2nd and 4th next year or something I'd think about it. Could always trade down this year or next to recoup some picks.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1244855]Breshad Perriman had 36 rec, 645 yds, and 6 TDs last season in Tampa Bay, behind Evans and Godwin in targets.



I know he came on the team in the middle of the 2018 season and didn't fare so well. But those are some decent numbers and I wouldn't mind trying him out.





The WR is going to be super expense (Amari) or with players who are older and expensive (Sanders, AJ Green).[/QUOTE]



I think the team is going to go for a top-end TE like Hooper or Henry. That will cost $8-9 mill, which is far cheaper than WR Green or Cooper. They’ll maybe even hire Greg Olsen on top of that at TE. This fills the TE holes.

The Redskins have a very good, young and improving WR group. The area that needs help is at WR#2, which is now filled by Harmon. So it might be better to try to DRAFT a WR #2, since this years draft is deep with WR players. Then the draft WR competes with Harmon. It’s a cheaper plan than going for a very expensive WR FA. We have many FA needs and WR might be a place to fill with the draft.


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[quote=Ruhskins;1244855]Breshad Perriman had 36 rec, 645 yds, and 6 TDs last season in Tampa Bay, behind Evans and Godwin in targets.

I know he came on the team in the middle of the 2018 season and didn't fare so well. But those are some decent numbers and I wouldn't mind trying him out.


The WR is going to be super expense (Amari) or with players who are older and expensive (Sanders, AJ Green).[/quote]

I'm thinking same thing.. When I looked at the FA for WRs and I don't see anyone who would be great asset for Redskins. I'm not counting AJ Green and Emmanuel Sanders because I'm pretty sure they will either resign with their team or sign with a contender team. I would prefer for us to offer Perriman a prove it deal to show that he can be consistent.

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Checked in with some folks about Jordan Reed’s status - Even in concussion protocol Redskins can release him. Reed could be eligible for CBA's injury protection benefit of $1.2M if he isn't cleared to play in 2020. His contract also might contain some injury guarantees.

-jp finlay

This is true. They do not have to reach an injury settlement with him. If released, he's then entitled to the injury protection benefit. If Reed wants to retire, makes sense to wait until after collecting this benefit to announce

-Keim

Don’t need to wait to cut Reed for injury settlement

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Yeah as really need to hire those now that Norman is no more though his time with the Redskins either did not at all let him show his potential or that he did not work well like he did in Carolina.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1244865]Checked in with some folks about Jordan Reed’s status - Even in concussion protocol Redskins can release him. Reed could be eligible for CBA's injury protection benefit of $1.2M if he isn't cleared to play in 2020. His contract also might contain some injury guarantees.



-jp finlay



This is true. They do not have to reach an injury settlement with him. If released, he's then entitled to the injury protection benefit. If Reed wants to retire, makes sense to wait until after collecting this benefit to announce



-Keim



Don’t need to wait to cut Reed for injury settlement[/QUOTE]



I think the Redskins should hold some sort of mutual press conference with Reed to announce his release from the team, even if they don’t have to pay an injury settlement. He’s sacrificed himself for the team and is well thought of by his teammates, coaches, the media and the fans. Sorry to see him go but it’s time to move on. That $8.5 mill will pay for an outstanding replacement like Hooper or Henry.


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[quote=Warthog;1244867]I think the Redskins should hold some sort of mutual press conference with Reed to announce his release from the team, even if they don’t have to pay an injury settlement. He’s sacrificed himself for the team and is well thought of by his teammates, coaches, the media and the fans. Sorry to see him go but it’s time to move on. That $8.5 mill will pay for an outstanding replacement like [B]Hooper or Henry[/B].


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I am assuming neither will hit the open market and if they do, I think a team will over pay because of high demand and low supply.

Versatile TEs seem like unicorns currently but when you do find these unicorns .. they tend to be grazing in the 2nd Round to UDFA pastures.

I would rather we go Olsen, Sprinkle, FA and then draft and UDFA a few guys. TE seems like an area we have scouted well.

Logan Paulsen was an UDFA and stuck around for 8 years.
JP Holtz UDFA w Browns, signed w us, now on Bears.
Sprinkle - 5r ... wish he had made a leap this year when opportunity knocked vs taking a step back, not giving up on him yet.

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Seahawks signed TE Greg Olsen, formerly of the Panthers, to a one-year, $7 million contract.
Per Profootballtalk's Mike Florio, the deal includes $5.5 million guaranteed. That's on the higher end of what we were expecting. It's no wonder Olsen was willing to stay out of the T.V. booth for at least one more year. One month shy of his 35th birthday, Olsen finally kicked his years-long struggle with foot issues last season to post a 52/597/2 line, averaging a solid 11.5 yards per catch..

7 mil plain stupid for Olsen. Solid pass

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Have to agree to much $$$ for me. It's a business and he's taking care of his.

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burgundyblog speculates that we offered more. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but even if we offered an identical context, I’d say Olsen saved Rivera from making his first mistake as Head Coach. Paying they kind of money to a 35 year old injury plagued TE is not the business we need to be in. I’d rather pay Hooper 101-12 Mil per year on average. We really dodged a bullet there.


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In other news, JP Finlay just replied to a tweet commenting on the fact that that Stephon Diggs deleted everything on his IG account vikings related. There where rumblings of him coming to Washington last off-season. Probably nothing, but something involving Diggs and Trent could make a lot of sense for both teams. We’d be swapping one need for another, but giving everyone a clean slate.


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Greg Olsen off the board, never wanted him

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[quote=Chico23231;1244879]Seahawks signed TE Greg Olsen, formerly of the Panthers, to a one-year, $7 million contract.
Per Profootballtalk's Mike Florio, the deal includes $5.5 million guaranteed. That's on the higher end of what we were expecting. It's no wonder Olsen was willing to stay out of the T.V. booth for at least one more year. One month shy of his 35th birthday, Olsen finally kicked his years-long struggle with foot issues last season to post a 52/597/2 line, averaging a solid 11.5 yards per catch..

[B]7 mil plain stupid for Olsen.[/B] Solid pass[/quote]

Sounds stupid until you compare it to what The Redskins paid for Davis & Reed last season.

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Olsen wants the chance for a ring, don’t blame him


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[quote=MTK;1244888]Olsen wants the chance for a ring, don’t blame him


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Definitely can't be mad at him.

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I’m happy with us

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Rather have Hooper anyway

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244892]Rather have Hooper anyway[/quote]

this, we got beat NE to him.

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[quote=mredskins;1244893]this, we got beat NE to him.[/quote]

Since Tampa has Brate, I wonder what it would take to get OJ Howard?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244894]Since Tampa has Brate, I wonder what it would take to get OJ Howard?[/quote]

Before the trade deadline last year, there were rumors about some teams contacting Tampa Bay about Howard but they wanted a lot for Howard although, they didn't say exactly what they are looking for. I assume something close to 1st round pick and the team will still want same thing this off season. If we are able to get Howard for anything less than 1st round, I would be happy. Arians didn't utilize Howard very well and historically, Arians don't use TEs well so it would be a waste of talents if the team holds onto him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244894]Since Tampa has Brate, I wonder what it would take to get OJ Howard?[/quote]

One of these two will most likely be gone...my guess is they cut Brate. Who I would want fo sure.

Also, I’d like to remove Support from Ebron. After further research, Hooper would be my top free agent target going into offseason.

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Adrian Peterson will be back per Keim

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I am very thankful Allen did not let Jay cut AP.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1244902]Adrian Peterson will be back per Keim[/quote]

We are ready for week one! LET'S GO!