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Hi guys it has been a minute since I have posted on here. The RR hire has made me come back to the dark side I guess lol. Everyone knows how passionate DS was about Haskins last year very similar to RG3 in 2012. Do y'all feel RR's approach about Haskins publicly is maybe a smoke screen just in case the Bengals do indeed take Chase Young? If he makes other teams feel like he is not totally on board with Haskins, and he might be able to force a team to trade up. Secondly, do you think DS would allow RR to not name Haskins the starting QB. After using a 1st round pick on him, and with him gaining momentum from a depleted fan base? I feel there is no way DS would've hired a coach that wasn't on board with Haskins that's my personal opinion.

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Nah dawg the real plan is to trade Haskins and the 2nd pick on draft day to stock pile 3 1st rounders and build the team that way.

Lol I don't know man we're all speculating and waiting just like you

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[quote=MTK;1242368]He’s a kid, and up until the NFL he was probably able to get by on his ability alone. He showed a lot of growth down the stretch, I think that will only continue.


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Until they hit the pros many times you don't really know if you have a Ryan Leaf or a Peyton Manning. Especially the guys who are lining up with a lot of future pros on their side in college. Haskins went forward with playing time, that is a good sign.

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[quote=mooby;1242369]You can play devil's advocate, I am a KOC fan and since Scott Turner is now our offensive coordinator I am now a Turner fan too.

But the bottom line is this:

Ron Rivera needs a coaching staff that will reinforce everything he teaches. He has to be in cohesion with his assistants because the players need to hear the same message from any coach no matter who it is. If KOC taught Haskins something that Rivera didn't agree with, it could cause setbacks in his development. That's why I'm not opposed to KOC leaving. The coaching staff has to have a unified philosophy.[/quote]

This.

Even if KOC becomes the next McVay, good for him, but I like our HC being able to do it the way he wants over the [I][U]potential[/U][/I] incredible abilities of the young guy.

Again, let's not forget we tend to [I][U]over-evaluate the decent to good guys[/U][/I] on this team because they were [I][U]surrounded by incompetent morons[/U][/I]. Same goes for Schaeffer. It's like Sheehan said the other day, we've been stuck in a bar with a majority of 2s and 3s girls, so the few that are 5s or 6s stood out as being incredibly hot. But let's not act like we know for sure they're 10s...

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Keep in mind I don’t know nothing about nothing when it comes to football at a coaching level, but I am sad Pat Shurmur wasn’t the choice. Spoken highly of as an OC.

And I know RR wants to hire people he trusts, but a little piece of me get more squeamish each time another Panthers coach is brought on. Seems like you would want the best coaches you could get. Not all of the best coaches could have been on the Panthers or else they would’ve had more success.

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Kinda interested to see if Scott Turner brings his dad’s offense or if he will have his own style?

From my understanding, Norv liked a power run game and likes to throw the ball downfield. Norv loves the TE and a strong arm QB. Also, Norv as he progressed, liked a RB who could catch the ball.

Scott Turner coming from a nice pedigree and I think Ron really could have had his choice at OC, from koc to a Schumer...he chose Turner, which says a lot. I think Ron probably really like Norv style on offense. Cam was tall with a big arm....Haskins big guy with a cannon.

Should be fun to see how this all comes together

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1242259]Giants wanted him and thought they had him[/quote]

Nope , Giants got who they wanted and canceled the interview.

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I don't think it's ideal that Haskins slacked off when he got here. But it's not a permanent black mark on him. He clearly has always been one of the most talented guys in the room so he could skate. Is he listening to veterans and making positive changes? Sure seems that way.

I wanted to keep KOC. But a HC needs to pick his staff. That's how it has to be. Welcome Mr. Turner.

It's weird to say, but I'm proud of Snyder. It's only been a short time and we haven't played a game yet, but he has taken steps in the right direction.

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Giants suck!

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[quote=MTK;1242365]I don’t think he struggled to pick up things as much as he wasn’t taking things seriously enough in the beginning. Once he did he took off.



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Which is why I 100% agree that RR hasn't committed to him as the week 1 starter yet, and is publicly challenging him. That is what he needs. We'll see how Haskins responds. Tweets are one thing, let's actually see if he puts in the work he keeps tweeting about.

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[quote=Giantone;1242381]Nope , Giants got who they wanted and canceled the interview.[/quote]

I think the Giants wanted Rhule, but Carolina's stealthy operation to fly into Waco and offer a higher than high contract offer - more than the Giants were willing to pay for an unproven (on the NFL level) college coach, sealed the deal. Judge may end up being the better hire anyway... Seems to be well respected from what I've heard.

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RR has said nothing that shouldn't have been said regarding him. There won't be anyone we bring in more talented but there could be someone that works harder and the coach trusts more.

I have faith in Haskins that he will mature as a player and leader this off season.

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[quote=Giantone;1242381]Nope , Giants got who they wanted and canceled the interview.[/quote]

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[quote=chico23231;1242402][img]http://media.giphy.com/media/3osbla53avzn746dxi/giphy.gif[/img][/quote]

lol

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Marty Hurney may be the favorite to land the GM Job after the draft per The Athletic... Hurney is currently the Panthers GM.

Washington Panthers lol

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The Redskins are hiring Ken Zampese as QBs coach, John Matsko as OL coach, Jim Hostler as WRs coach, and Pete Hoener as TEs coach. Three of the four were on Ron Rivers’ staff in Carolina.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1242406]The Redskins are hiring Ken Zampese as QBs coach, John Matsko as OL coach, Jim Hostler as WRs coach, and Pete Hoener as TEs coach. Three of the four were on Ron Rivers’ staff in Carolina.[/QUOTE]Ken Zapese was the quarterback coach under Jay Gruden in Cincinnati. That seems odd to me.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1242381]Nope , Giants got who they wanted and canceled the interview.[/QUOTE]



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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1242388]I think the Giants wanted Rhule, but Carolina's stealthy operation to fly into Waco and offer a higher than high contract offer - more than the Giants were willing to pay for an unproven (on the NFL level) college coach, sealed the deal. Judge may end up being the better hire anyway... Seems to be well respected from what I've heard.[/quote]There was a report I heard on sports radio today saying that Rhule gave NY the opportunity to match Carolina's offer. Clearly a no go there. Rhule did turn Baylor around quickly and that program was about as low as could be. He will be intriguing at the pro level for sure. Many are quick to dismiss what he can do in the NFL, but he deserves a fair chance.

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Callahan handcuffed KOC and finally loosened them up, interesting read:

[url]https://thefandc.radio.com/kevin-oconnell-departs-as-redskins-hire-scott-turner[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1242435]Callahan handcuffed KOC and finally loosened them up, interesting read:

[url]https://thefandc.radio.com/kevin-oconnell-departs-as-redskins-hire-scott-turner[/url][/quote]

That is an interesting read. Nice find SFred.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1242388]I think the Giants wanted Rhule, but Carolina's stealthy operation to fly into Waco and offer a higher than high contract offer - more than the Giants were willing to pay for an unproven (on the NFL level) college coach, sealed the deal. Judge may end up being the better hire anyway... Seems to be well respected from what I've heard.[/quote]

What's happening in NY is what would have happened here, had Bruce Allen stayed with the team in any capacity. Like it was the case here before, no major coaching candidates were thrilled to work with Gettleman.

In Rhule's case, I believe it came down to how much power he would have compared to Gettleman. Carolina was willing to give him more power than Gettleman was willing to do so.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1242409]There was a report I heard on sports radio today saying that Rhule gave NY the opportunity to match Carolina's offer. Clearly a no go there. Rhule did turn Baylor around quickly and that program was about as low as could be. He will be intriguing at the pro level for sure. Many are quick to dismiss what he can do in the NFL, but he deserves a fair chance.[/quote]

And now he will get it. I suppose, broadly speaking, coaching is coaching. However, the Big 12 (10) is a different animal than the NFL. Some college HCs transition just fine, and some do not. Only time will tell.

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So nice to see the staff being put together by the coach, with no weirdness. I have no issue with Turner, Carolina's offense has been as progressive as anyone in the league, similar to Baltimore with the focus on McCaffrey vice Jackson. Finding ways to get the ball in the hands of the playmakers. And they did it still being physical and running the ball, huge plus for me. Anyone else interested to see what happens with Love healthy next year? Guice, Mclauren, Harmon....lot to work with.

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One thing I haven't seen mentioned is Scott Turner was a QB coach (Vikings 2014-2016 and Panthers 2018-2019), so I don't think there's anything to make us fear there's gonna be a huge setback in Haskins development...

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[quote=GridIron26;1242362]I want to play devil's advocate here. What if KOC disagree with Riveria's coaching/teaching strategies in general? Should Riveria still keep KOC, just for sake of the continuity?[/quote]

guys even thou koc seemed good we don,t know how good or bad he was , if he was that darn good at the beginning then why didn,t he call plays when gruden was here ,lets see what turner does because are off. stunk for many reasons and play calling was one of it i was not impressed with koc

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good lord, how big were those jeans?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1242405]Marty Hurney may be the favorite to land the GM Job after the draft per The Athletic... Hurney is currently the Panthers GM.

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Panthers fans are ready to help him pack his bags. He's not well liked there. Just comparing drafts, Kyle Smith has done far better the past 3 years. If Hurney were brought in and replaced Smith as our draft-guru, I'd be extremely disappointed and less optimistic that Rivera is truly bringing in the best people and instead just bringing his less-talented friends. If we want to bring in someone from the outside instead of elevating Smith, it should be someone with a proven record of success.

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[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/scott-turner-story-could-calm-those-worried-about-kevin-oconnell-leaving[/url]

Cam thinks very highly of Turner. Got to count for something.

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The #Redskins and Senior VP of Football Operations and General Counsel Eric Schaffer have agreed to mutually part ways now instead of May, source said. He’s a respected front office executive who already has interest from several other teams.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1242543]The #Redskins and Senior VP of Football Operations and General Counsel Eric Schaffer have agreed to mutually part ways now instead of May, source said. He’s a respected front office executive who already has interest from several other teams.[/QUOTE]Do we fill that position now or after the draft?

With FA around the corner maybe Schneed can offer his services for a few months.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1242544]Do we fill that position now or after the draft?

With FA around the corner maybe Schneed can offer his services for a few months.

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Rap reported that the frontrunner is... surprise... Panthers executive Director of Finance Rob Rogers.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1242547]Rap reported that the frontrunner is... surprise... Panthers executive Director of Finance Rob Rogers.[/quote]

The Redskins have hired Rob Rogers who had been with Ron Rivera in Carolina as their main salary cap expert and also dealt with analytics. The Redskins parted ways with long time cap guru Eric Schaffer today. es.pn/35E9yXt

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1242521]Panthers fans are ready to help him pack his bags. He's not well liked there. Just comparing drafts, Kyle Smith has done far better the past 3 years. If Hurney were brought in and replaced Smith as our draft-guru, I'd be extremely disappointed and less optimistic that Rivera is truly bringing in the best people and instead just bringing his less-talented friends. If we want to bring in someone from the outside instead of elevating Smith, it should be someone with a proven record of success.[/quote]

I hope not, but got a feeling Smith would be replaced after KOC and Schaeffer were replaced with his Panther homies. Smith is the one guy they can’t afford to lose. I didn’t know Hurney went to Wheaton HS and worked for the Redskins back in 1988-1989 under Bobby B. doing PR.

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Per [URL="https://twitter.com/JDonaldsonNBCS/status/1215383724877123604"]Julie Donaldson[/URL], the Redskins are retaining Randy Jordan as RBs Coach.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1242553]I hope not, but got a feeling Smith would be replaced after KOC and Schaeffer were replaced with his Panther homies. Smith is the one guy they can’t afford to lose. I didn’t know Hurney went to Wheaton HS and worked for the Redskins back in 1988-1989 under Bobby B. doing PR.[/quote]

Doug Williams remains with the team, per [URL="https://twitter.com/BenStandig/status/1215381007228178440"]Ben Standig[/URL].

I think JP had said before that Kyle and Doug were safe.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1242556]Per [URL="https://twitter.com/JDonaldsonNBCS/status/1215383724877123604"]Julie Donaldson[/URL], the Redskins are retaining Randy Jordan as RBs Coach.[/quote]

Good. Backs have produced since he has been here. I am good with AP as the bell cow next year until Guice proves durable. Love Guice, but the one ability he has not shown is availability.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1242557]Doug Williams remains with the team, per [URL="https://twitter.com/BenStandig/status/1215381007228178440"]Ben Standig[/URL].

I think JP had said before that [B]Kyle and Doug were safe[/B].[/quote]

I really hope so for Kyle Smith's sake. I'm just not impressed with Hurney at all as GM. I would really have to start questioning Riverboat Ron if he made a move like that.

On the flip side as much as I like Kyle Smith as a talent evaluator, I feel the opposite way about Doug Williams. What kind of football man doesn't take into account a player's strengths and compatibility with a scheme before giving him 84 million dollars? It boggles the mind.

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[quote=mooby;1242562]I really hope so for Kyle Smith's sake. I'm just not impressed with Hurney at all as GM. I would really have to start questioning Riverboat Ron if he made a move like that.

[B]On the flip side as much as I like Kyle Smith as a talent evaluator, I feel the opposite way about Doug Williams.[/B] What kind of football man doesn't take into account a player's strengths and compatibility with a scheme before giving him 84 million dollars? It boggles the mind.[/quote]

This.

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Also, while I think there were many back channels for information, it looks like there may be fewer information leaks now that Schaeffer is gone. Comments on twitter are that he was very "media friendly" and was a good source for information about team happenings.

Don't know if it's true or, if so, how "leaky" he was, but it was more than one or two random comments.