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[quote=rocnrik;1246731]I remember that Haskins made some throws that Scary Terry had to make “circus catches “ .. Haskins big game was more on his support cast than him .. I’m not saying he will never be good but we have to at least consider other options ...[/quote]

And I saw a few plays where Haskins made some amazing throws. (The one that called back vs the Jets, the 2nd TD vs the Giants, the 2nd TD vs the Eagles)

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1246679]Because they see Tua has the bright shiny toy and are willing to look past injury concerns on the off chance he is the next Mahomes[/quote]

I'm a huge Georgia Bulldog fan so follow the SEC closely. Tua's injury history is a bit overblown because 2 of his injuries were high ankle sprains that could have and would have healed naturally. But Saban being the asshole that he is, persuaded Tua to get surgery both times to speed up recovery and allow him to play in the playoff

Not saying there are not legitimate concerns about the hip, but 3 surgeries is not as bad as it sounds

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[quote=ArizonaSkinFan;1246735]I'm a huge Georgia Bulldog fan so follow the SEC closely. Tua's injury history is a bit overblown because 2 of his injuries were high ankle sprains that could have and would have healed naturally. But Saban being the asshole that he is, persuaded Tua to get surgery both times to speed up recovery and allow him to play in the playoff

Not saying there are not legitimate concerns about the hip, but 3 surgeries is not as bad as it sounds[/quote]

I am a huge LSU fan so I follow the SEC also. It is ankles, fingers, and the major hip injury. The concerns are legit

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[quote=rocnrik;1246731]I remember that Haskins made some throws that Scary Terry had to make “circus catches “ .. Haskins big game was more on his support cast than him .. I’m not saying he will never be good but we have to at least consider other options ...[/quote]

Until proper techniques become instinct for him his accuracy will not be consistent. Watching him kind of baffles the mind, almost like his attention to detail varies from one play to the next. I have seen him make a nice long throw even under pressure using good footwork and arm motion, putting a nice tight spiral right in a perfect window. He will then follow that up throwing a wobbly screen pass, side armed, off of one foot leaning sideways with no defender near him or in the passing lanes. It is like he isn't the same guy from one play to the next. I don't know what the hell is going on.

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[QUOTE=Buffalo Bob;1246739]Until proper techniques become instinct for him his accuracy will not be consistent. Watching him kind of baffles the mind, almost like his attention to detail varies from one play to the next. I have seen him make a nice long throw even under pressure using good footwork and arm motion, putting a nice tight spiral right in a perfect window. He will then follow that up throwing a wobbly screen pass, side armed, off of one foot leaning sideways with no defender near him or in the passing lanes. It is like he isn't the same guy from one play to the next. I don't know what the hell is going on.[/QUOTE]It is called a young rookie with growing pains.

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Nooooo, not my guy Charles Davis too...

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001105930/article/charles-davis-2020-nfl-mock-draft-10-jeff-okudah-out-of-top-10[/url]

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[quote=rocnrik;1246731]I remember that Haskins made some throws that Scary Terry had to make “circus catches “ .. Haskins big game was more on his support cast than him .. I’m not saying he will never be good but we have to at least consider other options ...[/quote]


To be fair, Alabama's wide receivers that Tua had to throw to were better than the Skins WR's the past couple years, McLaurin included.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1246758]Nooooo, not my guy Charles Davis too...

[url]http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001105930/article/charles-davis-2020-nfl-mock-draft-10-jeff-okudah-out-of-top-10[/url][/quote]

By draft week you will be a believer, the kid is scary good. Good thing for my mindset is, Chase is a MONSTER so either pick I'm happy.. I'm also a fan of a loaded trade and adding 2 1's..

Point is guys we are in a great spot

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[quote=Pervis_Griffith;1246759]To be fair, Alabama's wide receivers that Tua had to throw to were better than the Skins WR's the past couple years, [B]McLaurin included[/B].[/quote]

I call bullshit on all of the Bama receivers being better than McLaurin. Our favorite son Terry is an NFL Star.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1246768]I call bullshit on all of the Bama receivers being better than McLaurin. Our favorite son Terry is an NFL Star.[/QUOTE]Big difference from COLLEGE to PRO.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1246770]Big difference from COLLEGE to PRO.

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Who cares? We have him now.

Besides,

1. We're not drafting Tua because Chase Young is a monster.
2. Haskins is going to be a very good QB in this league.
3. We're going to shore up [U]both[/U] OT positions and re-sign Flowers and then we're going to get a capable receiving TE to help Haskins succeed.
4. There will be no sophomore slump for Terry McLaurin.
5. We'll have a better running game than we've had in years.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1246771]Who cares? We have him now.

Besides,

1. We're not drafting Tua because Chase Young is a monster.
2. Haskins is going to be a very good QB in this league.
3. We're going to shore up [U]both[/U] OT positions and re-sign Flowers and then we're going to get a capable receiving TE to help Haskins succeed.
4. There will be no sophomore slump for Terry McLaurin.
5. We'll have a better running game than we've had in years.[/quote]

Terry is insane, imagine what he'll be like with Amari on the other side.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1246809]Terry is insane, imagine what he'll be like with Amari on the other side.[/QUOTE]



On the same note, I want to see what Haskins can do with a better OL, a rebuilt TE corps, adding a better WR#2 and most importantly, a far better OC to call a pass-friendly offense. Finally, our defense will be getting the ball into the offense’s hands more often than last year.

Tua is going to be playing at Miami.


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Finally voted after watching every snap from 2019, I voted Tua but again won't be mad at Chase, just think Tua has that IT factor at the most important position in the game. Like Haskins Love Tua

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JMO people are saying we should take Tua. Why aren't people saying the same thing to the Detroit lions what exactly has Matthew Stafford done for them lately.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1246771]Who cares? We have him now.

Besides,

1. We're not drafting Tua because Chase Young is a monster.
2. Haskins is going to be a very good QB in this league.
3. We're going to shore up [U]both[/U] OT positions and re-sign Flowers and then we're going to get a capable receiving TE to help Haskins succeed.
4. There will be no sophomore slump for Terry McLaurin.
5. We'll have a better running game than we've had in years.[/quote]

You know Flowers signed with the Dolphins.

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[quote=Giantone;1247555]You know Flowers signed with the Dolphins.[/quote]

I think his post was from before that.

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[IMG]https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93151522_10215950954633201_5393843436119916544_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=-4OfrSxU2boAX_Winlt&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=9043af02409da326d92b580db834e13e&oe=5EB5D176[/IMG]

Big statement

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^^^

That is laughable. Put down the glue Trent. Rodgers is the best thrower in NFL history. Definitely top 3.

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I've never seen anyone fight so hard to NOT get the best player in the draft.

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Trent also trains him so he has to say this stuff. The last report of the failed physical should scare teams, he may end up being fie but it's a risk

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1247554]JMO people are saying we should take Tua. Why aren't people saying the same thing to the Detroit lions what exactly has Matthew Stafford done for them lately.[/quote]

Stafford when healthy puts up good numbers and has an elite arm.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1249043]Stafford when healthy puts up good numbers and has an elite arm.[/QUOTE]But he is getting older and you could have tua sit a year or two then let Stafford go

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1249044]But he is getting older and you could have tua sit a year or two then let Stafford go

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Stafford is in his early 30's. Still has plenty of good football left. I don't see the Lions drafting Tua.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249033][IMG]https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/93151522_10215950954633201_5393843436119916544_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=-4OfrSxU2boAX_Winlt&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=9043af02409da326d92b580db834e13e&oe=5EB5D176[/IMG]

Big statement[/quote]

Trent Dilfer says a lot of dumb shit

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Tua has a ton of talent, his recent serious injuries in the last 22 month disqualifies him as the selection for our pick.

We have the 2nd pick and CY is the top prospect consensus on most teams boards and experts rankings. You stick to the board and if he falls to #2 you draft him.

The Tau conversation is only relevant if Cincy goes CY at one.

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Dilfer was saying Tua was special before he ever took a snap at Bama. He runs that elite QB competition that's for the top high school QB's. He's obviously been a NFL Qb for a long time. We're not talking about some scrub off the street.

I just go back to that national championship game he came off the bench as a freshman. Not many guys can do what he did under that kind of pressure.

Off topic but I'm not that impressed with Trevor Lawrence. He doesn't throw the ball with the pin point accuracy that Tua or Burrow does.

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[quote=Chico23231;1249064]Tua has a ton of talent, his recent serious injuries in the last 22 month disqualifies him as the selection for our pick.

We have the 2nd pick and CY is the top prospect consensus on most teams boards and experts rankings. You stick to the board and if he falls to #2 you draft him.

[B]The Tau conversation is only relevant if Cincy goes CY at one.[/B][/quote]

If Cincy were to do that out of a clear blue sky the draft would get crazy fast. Don't you think that any trade for the first or second pick would have to be >90% worked out before draft day due to its import and complexity?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1249067]If Cincy were to do that out of a clear blue sky the draft would get crazy fast. Don't you think that any trade for the first or second pick would have to be >90% worked out before draft day due to its import and complexity?[/quote]

Not at all. Most teams have those scenarios ready and I would expect contingency plans for multiple scenarios. Teams will probably talk before the draft more this year just to get some prework done if some scenarios open themselves up.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1249067]If Cincy were to do that out of a clear blue sky the draft would get crazy fast. Don't you think that any trade for the first or second pick would have to be >90% worked out before draft day due to its complexity?[/quote]

Yes, which is why I don't see Cincy or us trading down. Lions are publicly discussing trading their pick, which makes sense even if they do want to take Okudah; sound out the market to see what the best deal is. Advertising that #3 is on offer certainly sniffs of them avoiding drafting Tua.

If we or Cincy were even semi serious about trading down we'd have heard the same. Maybe both teams are playing chicken to see who blinks first and then offering up the top 2 picks once the market for #3, #2 and then #1 is set. But I'd see it more likely that Cincy would lead out on the basis that if you leave it too late, the deals may no longer be there when you offer #1 or #2, because its already been done for #3.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249066]Dilfer was saying Tua was special before he ever took a snap at Bama. He runs that elite QB competition that's for the top high school QB's. He's obviously been a NFL Qb for a long time. We're not talking about some scrub off the street.

I just go back to that national championship game he came off the bench as a freshman. Not many guys can do what he did under that kind of pressure.

Off topic but I'm not that impressed with Trevor Lawrence. He doesn't throw the ball with the pin point accuracy that Tua or Burrow does.[/quote]

Tua on film is as good of a passer as anyone coming out of college.. He's so smart , quick release , vision all that. Which is why I'm a huge fan of his.. I like Dwayne but as far as the two QBs there is no comparison.. Now the same was said about Wentz/Dak but Dak is reliable, if Tua is not then give me Haskins all day

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[quote=Chico23231;1249064]Tua has a ton of talent, his recent serious injuries in the last 22 month disqualifies him as the selection for our pick.

We have the 2nd pick and CY is the top prospect consensus on most teams boards and experts rankings. You stick to the board and if he falls to #2 you draft him.

The Tau conversation is only relevant if Cincy goes CY at one.[/quote]

Yes. Draft Chase Young and don't look back.

If Cincy takes CY or trades the pick to a team that takes CY, there's bound to be teams willing to offer a bundle of picks to get Burrow (or Tua), so you trade down.

Either way, I don't think Tua is the way to go for the Redskins.

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If the Bengals make the right choice and take the best player (Young), we should trade down and hope Okudah or Simmons is still available. If not, select the best available OT.

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Rivera was asked specifically about trading the second overall choice.

Young, though, likely won’t be available if Washington trades the pick.

“If you’re going to make a trade and you’re going to go back, that guy you’re going to take at that spot has to be able to make the kind of impact you need to validate missing an opportunity to take a player that’s a high-impact guy,” Rivera said. [B]“In other words, if you’re going to pass up Player A and you go back, and you’re going to take Player D, Player D has to be equal to Player A because if Player A is going to play for you for 10 years and Player D may not, then did you really get value or did you just get a whole bunch of picks? [/B]You’ve got to be able to sit there and say that the next guy that I’m going to take is going to be that high-impact guy, and that’s what I’m looking for. That’s what I believe we need is we need a guy that’s going to come in and really change our football team. To me, there’s a few guys on that board that are those kind of players.”​​​

Young is one of those impact players that Rivera referenced without calling the Ohio State edge rusher by name. Gil Brandt of NFL Media calls Young “the surest pick in the first round.”

Young had 16.5 sacks and six forced fumbles last season.

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/07/ron-rivera-sounds-as-if-washington-has-chase-young-in-its-sight/[/url]

RR seems to value 1 high impact guy vs multiple draft picks.

I like it.

Skins last all pro ... punter Matt Turk in 1996.

We are the only team without an All Pro named in the last decade.

I want elite, game changing talent. Having a Ryan Kerrigan or Orakpo or Murphy or Preston Smith .. its nice. They are nice players. Kerrigan can take over the right side of an O line against a depth RT and its great. I want a guy who can take over the LT 8-10 games a year.

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[quote=SunnySide;1249090]Rivera was asked specifically about trading the second overall choice.

Young, though, likely won’t be available if Washington trades the pick.

“If you’re going to make a trade and you’re going to go back, that guy you’re going to take at that spot has to be able to make the kind of impact you need to validate missing an opportunity to take a player that’s a high-impact guy,” Rivera said. “In other words, if you’re going to pass up Player A and you go back, and you’re going to take Player D, Player D has to be equal to Player A because if Player A is going to play for you for 10 years and Player D may not, then did you really get value or did you just get a whole bunch of picks? You’ve got to be able to sit there and say that the next guy that I’m going to take is going to be that high-impact guy, and that’s what I’m looking for. That’s what I believe we need is we need a guy that’s going to come in and really change our football team. To me, there’s a few guys on that board that are those kind of players.”​​​

Young is one of those impact players that Rivera referenced without calling the Ohio State edge rusher by name. Gil Brandt of NFL Media calls Young “the surest pick in the first round.”

[B]Young had 16.5 sacks and six forced fumbles last season.[/B]

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/07/ron-rivera-sounds-as-if-washington-has-chase-young-in-its-sight/[/url]

RR seems to value 1 high impact guy vs multiple draft picks.

I like it.

Skins last all pro ... punter Matt Turk in 1996.

We are the only team without an All Pro named in the last decade.

[B]I want elite, game changing talent.[/B] Having a Ryan Kerrigan or Orakpo or Murphy or Preston Smith .. its nice. They are nice players. Kerrigan can take over the right side of an O line against a depth RT and its great. [B]I want a guy who can take over the LT 8-10 games a year.[/B][/quote]

Can I get an Amen!??

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1249093]Can I get an Amen!??[/quote]

I've always been pro drafting Young. Amen brother. My Tua argument was and always will be if you have a chance to draft a true franchise QB then you do it, regardless of whether you have someone like Young on the table. If Tua did not have all the injuries then I'd say take him and trade DH. End of discussion. But that is not the case.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249099]I've always been pro drafting Young. Amen brother. My Tua argument was and always will be if you have a chance to draft a true franchise QB then you do it, regardless of whether you have someone like Young on the table. If Tua did not have all the injuries then I'd say take him and trade DH. End of discussion. But that is not the case.[/quote]

That's all I was saying as well, Tua is the better QB it's really the truth but his injury past is a big deal so I'm all for Young who is a great player! I'm happy either way and even if we trade I'm cool with that. The team is rebuilding clearly.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249099]I've always been pro drafting Young. Amen brother. My Tua argument was and always will be if you have a chance to draft a true franchise QB then you do it, regardless of whether you have someone like Young on the table. If Tua did not have all the injuries then I'd say take him and trade DH. End of discussion. But that is not the case.[/quote]

HOF QB > HOF pass rusher > HOF LT ... I wonder what the 4th best position would be. HOF CB or HOF LB?

10 years of Kuechly or 10 years of Ramsey? Give me the HOF LB.

(just throwing 2 names out there, love Kuechly but not sure if his shortened career is HOF worthy and Ramsey has quieted down/still lots of years left)

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If you offered me Ray Lewis or Deion Sanders, I'd take Sanders
If you offered me Brian Urlacher or Darrell Green, I'd take Green

Not saying that would be everyone's choice, but that would be mine.

In any case in this instance, I'd honestly say I think CY has a better chance of HoF status than TT right now. I can just see him being another Andrew Luck and retired in 5-7 years.

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no.