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[quote=skinsfaninok;1247667]More proof that the draft is a crap shoot[/quote]

That could be used as an argument to trade down from the #2 pick.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1247675]That could be used as an argument to trade down from the #2 pick.[/quote]

There's definitely an argument for trading down. If you can turn that one "generational" player into three really good players (starters), the team is better off. IMHO...

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Some drafts just don't have the talent, it varies greatly from year to year.
Having a high pick is a matter of good timing quite often, this year is a great year to have one, but also as a result a great year to parlay that into a multi-pick trade.
Five years ago the league was desperate for good QBs. It just wasn't a good draft so no one wanted to trade up to the top 10, the Redskins were trying to trade down like many of the top 10 teams because there was little value there.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1247676]There's definitely an argument for trading down. If you can turn that one "generational" player into three really good players (starters), the team is better off. IMHO...[/quote]

The argument is legit... but on the long term if Chase Young really is what he is said to be, I think the team is better off having that 1 true difference maker in the trenches.
While not in favor of it, I wouldn't hate trading down but it'd have to be for a massive haul of picks.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1247676]There's definitely an argument for trading down. If you can turn that one "generational" player into three really good players (starters), the team is better off. IMHO...[/quote]

Either/or I'm fine with, but if I'm Miami I'm using those first 3 rounders to trade up for Joe Burrow. 3 first rounders in the same year ought to buy you the leverage needed to draft anywhere in the first round.

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[quote=mooby;1247681]Either/or I'm fine with, but if I'm Miami I'm using those first 3 rounders to trade up for Joe Burrow. 3 first rounders in the same year ought to buy you the leverage needed to draft anywhere in the first round.[/quote]

Nope. I know Burrow is good but there are alot of other QB's in this draft and I don't think he is worth 3 #1's.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1247671]Veteran quarterback Brian Hoyer has agreed to a one-year, $1 million deal with the Patriots with an additional $2 million in incentives, according to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport.


Ok, if Belichick has to go to Hoyer over Stidham sometime in the season and the Patriots still win double digit games that confirms he was more responsible for the dynasty than Brady.[/quote]

...........................They still need a TE.

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I’ m surprised. I thought that the Redskins would spread out FA among several personnel instead of trying to get one big splash, like Snyder and Bruce Allen did in years past.

Possible FA moves:
1. Hooper 3-4 yr contract - NO
2. Boston 3-4 yr contrac - NO
2a. Sign FS SEAN Davis - one yr contract,
Red Flag, missed almost all last year with injury
3. Kendall Fuller 3-4 yr r contract- CHECK
4. Resign Scherff but I agree with the franchise tag to see if he has it long-term CHECK
5. Resign Flowers -outbid by Miami by $2 mi. NO
5a. Bring in MARTIN at OG
6. Trent wants a trade. LOSING BEST OL PLAYER - NO real replacement, best offer two x third rounder
7. Dunbar want a trade - LOSING BEST CB PLAYER - what do we get in return - a third?

So far this REDSKIN’s FA has been lame. Went for the home run with Cooper and he took less money and went with JerryJones. We have Nothing really at TE. Possibly losing starters LT and CB. Nothing at WR. Maybe hire Breeland to fix CB.

There is just too many open positions to fix it all in the draft. Every team changes from year-to-year. Those new positions must be filled with the draft and UDFA and FA.



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Nevermind

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[quote=Giantone;1247682]Nope. I know Burrow is good but there are alot of other QB's in this draft and I don't think he is worth 3 #1's.[/quote]

Right, I know this is your personal opinion but Miami's personal opinion of Burrow is more relevant to where they want to trade to.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1247679]The argument is legit... but on the long term if Chase Young really is what he is said to be, I think the team is better off having that 1 true difference maker in the trenches.
While not in favor of it, I wouldn't hate trading down but it'd have to be for a massive haul of picks.[/quote]

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The one thought that gnaws at me when I consider the idea of trading down is "What if we draft Chase Young and he is seriously injured"? The idea that we could have three or more good players instead of one great player is a bit comforting to me but solely because it seems to me to be much less likely that all of those players would be seriously injured at the same time. But that's the conservative part of me.

The football fan part of me wants to go for it and take Chase because great edge rushers create havoc for opposing offenses. They make their entire team better.

The Redskins fan part of just loves to watch Chase play football! I challenge you put on some Redskins gear, get your mind in a game day mood, and then honestly tell me you don't want to see this young man in B&G. It can't be done.

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[quote=Giantone;1247682]Nope. I know Burrow is good but there are alot of other QB's in this draft and I don't think he is worth 3 #1's.[/quote]

Agree.

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Looking at the QB field in this draft, the top 4 or 5 guys could be legit franchise QBs, or they could be busts. Unlikely Burrow is a bust, but i remember Ryan Leaf, so... Tua could be another Luck with injuries destroying his career. There's a little drop off to the next 2 or 3, but nothing major at this stage.

So, would you really give up 3 #1 picks for Burrow or Tua, or even Young? I can't see it myself given that you are likely able to draft at least one of the 5 with one of those picks. I can maybe see Miami trading 2 to the Lions to take their spot if with either of the top 2 guys are still there at #3, which I'd say is likely, but giving up all 3 to move up to 1st just seems overkill under the circumstances. But stranger things have happened...

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If I was Miami I'd trade those picks for Burrow or Tua, again if you don't have a QB you won't win consistently , yeah you may have a good year or 2 but it won't last

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The only team that trades draft picks away is: Washington. See RG3 deal. We just traded away a fifth for an XFL player. We can’t get serious offers for really good players like Dunbar and Williams. Teams hold onto their picks.

I still think the best course of action is for the Redskins to resign Williams and Dunbar. We have PLENTY of cap space. I know Rivera wants change the culture to the “right attitude”. But even the Patriots signed guys in FA who basically were there to get a ring and some FA money.
The Redskins do not have enough draft picks to change the team overnight. They can bend a little here and get us a “win, win”.

Let’s face it, both Williams and Dunbar just want to play with some guaranteed money in their contract. Neither had ANY guaranteed money in their last year of their contract, so if they got injured - they didn’t get paid. In the last two years the Redskins have been one of the NFL’s MOST HIGHLY INJURED TEAM, so who could blame them for wanting some guaranteed money?. Now I know there’s some posters who say, “he signed the contract, now play for it”. That’s the sort of attitude that Bruce Allen had and lead for both the players & agents HATING BRUCE and lead to Williams, one of the best Redskin’s player, sitting out a season.

Building a culture works both ways. Give Williams and Dunbar some guaranteed money and they’ll be loyal players to Rivera’s vision. WE HAVE THE MONEY. It’s two less positions that have to be filled by Kyle Smith in this draft. Or at least Kyle can draft an EVENTUAL replacement for Williams and Dunbar, instead of having to find a starter at their level right from the get go , which is pretty rare in the lower strata of the Redskin’s picks.


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FWIW

Per JP Finlay:

Austin Hooper on free agency: "It really came down to Cleveland and Washington. At the end, I chose to be a Brown.” [url]https://buff.ly/33QUbvm[/url]
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[quote=dej733;1248314]FWIW

Per JP Finlay:

Austin Hooper on free agency: "It really came down to Cleveland and Washington. At the end, I chose to be a Brown.” [url]https://buff.ly/33QUbvm[/url]
(via
@SiriusXMNFL
)[/quote]

I think it will be a while till the stench Snyder and his cast of idiots have left on the team will fade. I thought the Browns were considered the bottom of the NFL barrel the last 20 years, I guess not.

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Browns are better than us, better QB (so far) and better OL. Can't really blame him there

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1248317]Browns are better than us, better QB (so far) and better OL. Can't really blame him there[/quote]

Say what? Don’t think so.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1248317]Browns are better than us, better QB (so far) and better OL. Can't really blame him there[/QUOTE]Geez, let it goooooooo

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1248319]Geez, let it goooooooo

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I'm not that upset about Hooper, I was just saying they are better right now than the skins.. Not being negative it's just true

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1248320]I'm not that upset about Hooper, I was just saying they are better right now than the skins.. Not being negative it's just true[/QUOTE]I solely meant the constant snarky swipes at Haskins.

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[quote=dej733;1248314]FWIW

Per JP Finlay:

Austin Hooper on free agency: "It really came down to Cleveland and Washington. At the end, I chose to be a Brown.” [url]https://buff.ly/33QUbvm[/url]
(via
@SiriusXMNFL
)[/quote]

Wow

For the record: Cooper and Hooper chose other places. Not a great start to the new regime.

So much for the narrative we were never serious pursuing Hooper. We did and he said I’d rather be a brown

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Not a surprise, Haskins though promising is an unknown quantity

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Haskins will be better than Baker this season and the whole organization will function normally this year. Next year (2021) is where we start competing for 10+ wins.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248324]Haskins will be better than Baker this season and the whole organization will function normally this year. Next year (2021) is where we start competing for 10+ wins.[/quote]

I believe so too, but if you were a free agent betting his biggest career move on one choice, right now you would choose Baker and all his weapons over Haskins and Terry M. Hooper will always be in single coverage playing for Cleveland, should put up big numbers,

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248324]Haskins will be better than Baker this season and the whole organization will function normally this year. Next year (2021) is where we start competing for 10+ wins.[/quote]

I agree.

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One thing about this organizational failure is simply we are at the bottom in the league in terms of “respected franchise” and even with the hiring of someone’s stature like Rivera, it can’t wash away the years of distrust, irresponsible and negligent management.

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[quote=Chico23231;1248327]One thing about this organizational failure is simply we are at the bottom in the league in terms of “respected franchise” and even with the hiring of someone’s stature like Rivera, it can’t wash away the years of distrust, irresponsible and negligent management.[/quote]

Yep, need at least one year with some decent production on the field and at least one year of running a legit organization off of the field.

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[quote=Chico23231;1248327]One thing about this organizational failure is simply we are at the bottom in the league in terms of “respected franchise” and even with the hiring of someone’s stature like Rivera, it can’t wash away the years of distrust, irresponsible and negligent management.[/quote]

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248328]Ye, need at least one year with some decent production on the field and at least one year of running a legit organization off of the field.[/quote]

I think it will take a lot longer than a year to wash away 20 years of incompetence. I sure hope Snyder has learned from his mistakes.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1248324]Haskins will be better than Baker this season and the whole organization will function normally this year. Next year (2021) is where we start competing for 10+ wins.[/quote]

Wishful thinking.

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Heard on the radio here in SF that the 49ers reached out Jordan Reid’s agent. We’ll see if anything develops.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1248558]Heard on the radio here in SF that the 49ers reached out Jordan Reid’s agent. We’ll see if anything develops.[/quote]

Jordan Reed needs to think about life after football and retire. Concussions are cumulative, you could probably bounce a tennis ball off his head and give him one. There is plenty of evidence that continuing to play football is an extreme risk to his long term health.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1248558]Heard on the radio here in SF that the 49ers reached out Jordan Reid’s agent. We’ll see if anything develops.[/quote]

If there's one man whose phone I wish didn't ring anymore, it's his. Hope he doesn't get any offers for his own sake.

Legit think he will be dead within 5 years of his retirement.

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[url]https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/[/url]

Taking a look at this year free agent contracts...so much stupidity. Robert Quinn Chicago might take the prize.

Miami as a collective went full retard.

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Byron Jones is a good sign for Miami but the others are meh

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If you want to be successful as an organization, you must identify your guys and extend them during the season or in camp before their contract year.

Players who qualify coming up:

Chase Roullier
Dustin Hopkins
Fabian Moreau
Ryan Anderson

Jonathan Allen and Rueben Foster still has the 5th year options which should be picked up, but extension possibility there.

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Isn't MI coming close to the end of that 3 yr extension he got aswell.

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[quote=Chico23231;1248653]If you want to be successful as an organization, you must identify your guys and extend them during the season or in camp before their contract year.

Players who qualify coming up:

[B]Chase Roullier
Dustin Hopkins[/B]
Fabian Moreau
Ryan Anderson

[B]Jonathan Allen[/B] still has the 5th year option which should be picked up, but extension possibility there.[/quote]

The 3 guys in bold are the players I want Redskins to extend immediately.. I'm still on fence with Moreau and Anderson - I think they haven't shown much to warrant contract extension unless it's just for depth purpose. This year is their chance to prove their worth.