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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271074]I hope Stafford / Ryan / Rivers aren't even on their radar.[/quote]

Okay ... so to get a QB in the draft we will have to move up which will require draft picks or players ... we will need to move from 19th( if we win Sunday) to top 6 to land a top qb prospect .. and you truly believe that a kid out of college will come in here and do what a Matt Stafford can do?? Not every kid is gonna be Pat M.. I agree about Rivers .. but I will get you dollars to donuts that Matt Stafford if he gets on the right team can lead them to a super bowl .. he will most likely end up in San Francisco.. we better get this right

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We got 3-4 years to get the Offense where the D allready is ... we currently have the 4th ranked D .. and still could use a few players there ...the fastest way to get our Offense into top 10 is a proven Vet... not some kid like Haskins who we wasted a 15th overall pick on ... even RGiii did not pan out .. look how many high pick Rookie QBs are just plain bad ... I would rather know what I’m getting ..

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If Alex comes off the books, I'm all for it. If not - no thanks. I'd rather dig into that 2nd tier of QBs on the free agent market and find a gem in the draft, than trade picks/players and pay that Stafford salary on top of Alex's. You can use those picks to try to get your future QB in the draft.

We're finally building something good here, and hopefully something sustainable for years to come, and people all of a sudden want this magic quick fix - trade a GREAT D-lineman, give up picks, etc... Why? Why is this defense only going to be good for the next couple years? Why can't it be [I]better[/I] in a few years? You're willing to pay the QBs almost 60 million next year, but you don't think we can afford to maintain a good defense - a championship defense over the next few years? Sorry, I don't get the logic. This team came pretty close to winning 10 games this year - in a year that they had zero offseason, new coaches, new systems, and four different QBs. If they had averaged only one more TD per 1st half, this would have been a top 10 offense this year.

You see it differently than I do, and that's ok. We can agree to disagree.

Bottom line for me - don't trade any D-linemen, keep all the draft picks (unless there's a chance to maneuver a little to get your future QB in the draft), start to extend some contracts for guys that will be the core of this team moving forward, upgrade the QB, Oline, WR, TE, and LB positions via free agency, bring back Heinicke, draft a QB, and win the SB.

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I actually agree with the Alex part .. my thinking is if we bring in a pricey Vet Smith is gone ... so in that respect we agree ..

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271081]If Alex comes off the books, I'm all for it. If not - no thanks. I'd rather dig into that 2nd tier of QBs on the free agent market and find a gem in the draft, than trade picks/players and pay that Stafford salary on top of Alex's. You can use those picks to try to get your future QB in the draft.

We're finally building something good here, and hopefully something sustainable for years to come, and people all of a sudden want this magic quick fix - trade a GREAT D-lineman, give up picks, etc... Why? Why is this defense only going to be good for the next couple years? Why can't it be [I]better[/I] in a few years? You're willing to pay the QBs almost 60 million next year, but you don't think we can afford to maintain a good defense - a championship defense over the next few years? Sorry, I don't get the logic. This team came pretty close to winning 10 games this year - in a year that they had zero offseason, new coaches, new systems, and four different QBs. If they had averaged only one more TD per 1st half, this would have been a top 10 offense this year.

You see it differently than I do, and that's ok. We can agree to disagree.

Bottom line for me - don't trade any D-linemen, keep all the draft picks (unless there's a chance to maneuver a little to get your future QB in the draft), start to extend some contracts for guys that will be the core of this team moving forward, upgrade the QB, Oline, WR, TE, and LB positions via free agency, bring back Heinicke, draft a QB, and win the SB.[/quote]

You make some really good points here. I concur.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271081]If Alex comes off the books, I'm all for it. If not - no thanks. I'd rather dig into that 2nd tier of QBs on the free agent market and find a gem in the draft, than trade picks/players and pay that Stafford salary on top of Alex's. You can use those picks to try to get your future QB in the draft.

We're finally building something good here, and hopefully something sustainable for years to come, and people all of a sudden want this magic quick fix - trade a GREAT D-lineman, give up picks, etc... Why? Why is this defense only going to be good for the next couple years? Why can't it be [I]better[/I] in a few years? You're willing to pay the QBs almost 60 million next year, but you don't think we can afford to maintain a good defense - a championship defense over the next few years? Sorry, I don't get the logic. This team came pretty close to winning 10 games this year - in a year that they had zero offseason, new coaches, new systems, and four different QBs. If they had averaged only one more TD per 1st half, this would have been a top 10 offense this year.

You see it differently than I do, and that's ok. We can agree to disagree.

Bottom line for me - don't trade any D-linemen, keep all the draft picks (unless there's a chance to maneuver a little to get your future QB in the draft), start to extend some contracts for guys that will be the core of this team moving forward, upgrade the QB, Oline, WR, TE, and LB positions via free agency, bring back Heinicke, draft a QB, and win the SB.[/quote]

The only QB's I would trade a Dlineman to move up for would be Lawrence or Wilson, not Fields or anyone else.

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This defense is ready now. As in now, even with the lack of pieces at safety and LB. I’d be looking at the vet route over a rookie for sure.

Keep an eye on the cap casualties in February. The cap is so much lower this year, there might be a few more guys available than you think.

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Even Haskins agent broke up with him:

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/sports/dwayne-haskins-parts-ways-with-agent-david-mulugheta-172720892.html[/url]

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Really need a QB that is not just elite but a role model and character guy. You can only hope Haskins can really redeem himself!

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[quote=Schneed10;1271086][B]This defense is ready now.[/B] As in now, even with the lack of pieces at safety and LB. I’d be looking at the vet route over a rookie for sure.

Keep an eye on the cap casualties in February. The cap is so much lower this year, there might be a few more guys available than you think.[/quote]

I don't know man. This defense is good and has played well, but they've also played the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, and four of the six wins came against backup quarterbacks.

Plenty of work to be done. Can't be trading away D-linemen, and gotta shore up the LB position, but I like the state of the safety position with Collins, Curl, Everett, Reaves, Apke.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271089]I don't know man. This defense is good and has played well, but they've also played the 4th easiest schedule in the NFL, and four of the six wins came against backup quarterbacks.

Plenty of work to be done. Can't be trading away D-linemen, and gotta shore up the LB position, but I like the state of the safety position with Collins, Curl, Everett, Reaves, Apke.[/quote]

I agree with not shaving off pieces of the D for the sake of it, to help the O, which already ties up a lot of cap space.

But Apke should be gone in the offseason, and possibly Collins too if we can work something out. And we can't ignore opportunities that present themselves to improve the QB and WR situation in FA/pre-draft if they offer a clear means to improve either.

WR should be addressable in FA with at least 2-3 top tier receivers available. We will likely draft OL, LB, DB and TE at least. If a good/top QB prospect is there when we pick, great, but we can't just ignore the possibility of a vet being a good alternative to an unproven rookie. So if they can persuade AS to retire I'd definitely bring someone in like Fitz with current experience and something still in the tank who can produce next year.

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[url]https://twitter.com/AlGaldi/status/1344423831751028736[/url]

Most telling item from Ron Rivera’s Wednesday press conference. #WashingtonFootball

Asked if this team could still contend for the playoffs if Smith wasn’t here?

Ron: “Well, if we had a healthy Kyle Allen, I think we could have. I really do. I think we could’ve.”

100% totally agree. It’s a little bit of a hint of where he stands on the team and he is still in their plans.

I also think they don’t feel pressed to make rash decisions at the position.

I think the most obvious positions the Skins need to make changes and where money/draft capital should be spent: WR and LB.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1271081]Bottom line for me - don't trade any D-linemen, keep all the draft picks (unless there's a chance to maneuver a little to get your future QB in the draft), [B]start to extend some contracts for guys that will be the core of this team moving forward[/B], upgrade the QB, Oline, WR, TE, and LB positions via free agency, bring back Heinicke, draft a QB, and win the SB.[/quote]


THIS .. especially the bolded part. But this whole paragraph is spot on.


Given how RR and gang operated in the free agent market last year, I expect them to lean more on the draft, supplementing the roster with capable, under-the-radar type free agents. Sometimes a gem will be uncovered (Logan Thomas), but more often than not, we'll find decent depth that can fill in when injuries hit.

Having said that ... they may swing for the fences on one guy again (like they tried with Amari Cooper last year) ... so ... they could go after one of those big $$$ QB's out there.

But I think they really want to build this roster via the draft. Last year's was pretty productive so far. We do that again, we'll be on our way.

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Getting 6 starters on low end FA contracts this year should win Front Office exec of the year for someone if we make the playoffs

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[QUOTE=EdmundDorf;1271135]Getting 6 starters on low end FA contracts this year should win Front Office exec of the year for someone if we make the playoffs[/QUOTE]For sure

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1271135]Getting 6 starters on low end FA contracts this year should win Front Office exec of the year for someone if we make the playoffs[/quote]

Try telling that to Ron who wants to bring his retread buddy Hurney.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1271138]Try telling that to Ron who wants to bring his retread buddy Hurney.[/quote]

Journalisic supposition. Right now RR is focusing on the season and I don't think he has given the front office that much thought, that, like player contracts, is something he will sort out when the season is done, I will give him the benefit of the doubt given the results so far

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1271138]Try telling that to Ron who wants to bring his retread buddy Hurney.[/quote]

You mean his buddy and him who got the team to 15-1 and the Super Bowl? Yeah that sure would suck after the last 25 years....

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1271146]You mean his buddy and him who got the team to 15-1 and the Super Bowl? Yeah that sure would suck after the last 25 years....[/quote]

You mean his buddy responsible for 3 winning seasons in 9 years, oh yeah.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1271147]You mean his buddy responsible for 3 winning seasons in 9 years, oh yeah.[/quote]

Sorry but if you dig deeper.....of course it takes a couple years to build a 2-14 team up, so there will be a few years with losing seasons. One year with a 7-9 record they won the division. The last two years the biggest reason they had a losing record was because Cam was out. Also in their division the Saints and Falcons were both very good most of the time. I don’t know if Smith is your guy or something, but he’s not irreplaceable.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1271149]Sorry but if you dig deeper.....of course it takes a couple years to build a 2-14 team up, so there will be a few years with losing seasons. One year with a 7-9 record they won the division. The last two years the biggest reason they had a losing record was because Cam was out. Also in their division the Saints and Falcons were both very good most of the time. I don’t know if Smith is your guy or something, but he’s not irreplaceable.[/quote]

Bottom line Hurney sucks compared to Smith. If Smith leaves you'll see the talent will decline. I've watched football long enough to know evaluators like Smith don't grow on trees. I'm tired of 29 years of losing and mediocre talent, we finally have a young guy that is building this team into a possible powerhouse and you are going to replace him with an old mediocre evaluator? No thanks, one 15-1 season in 9 seasons doesn't do shit for me.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1271150]Bottom line Hurney sucks compared to Smith. If Smith leaves you'll see the talent will decline. I've watched football long enough to know evaluators like Smith don't grow on trees. I'm tired of 29 years of losing and mediocre talent, we finally have a young guy that is building this team into a possible powerhouse and you are going to replace him with an old mediocre evaluator? No thanks, one 15-1 season in 9 seasons doesn't do shit for me.[/quote]

Ok well that’s your opinion.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1271152]Ok well that’s just like your opinion, man.[/quote]

Fixed it

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[quote=Chico23231;1271153]Fixed it[/quote]

Dude...

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1271146]You mean his buddy and him who got the team to 15-1 and the Super Bowl? Yeah that sure would suck after the last 25 years....[/quote]

Are we really talking up a guy because ONE TIME they made a super bowl appearance?

You know who else did that, SUPER BOWL APPEARING COACH JEFF FISHER.

Ron Rivera did 9 seasons in Carolina and only 4 of those seasons were considered "winning" seasons. The other years, he finished either 6-10 or 7-9. When he was fired during his last season, he was at 5-7 but for all we know he could have went 5-11.

I'm still skeptical of Ron because I don't think he is this savior for this franchise like so many people thought, but I am willing to trust him for a few seasons to see if he can succeed where everyone else has failed.

But I also don't like seeing so many ex Panthers hired. At times it seems like we are the Washington Football Panthers. I would rather see them go a new way with a fresh face as GM instead of always getting re-tread, fired guys to come here.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1271163]Are we really talking up a guy because ONE TIME they made a super bowl appearance?

You know who else did that, SUPER BOWL APPEARING COACH JEFF FISHER.

Ron Rivera did 9 seasons in Carolina and only 4 of those seasons were considered "winning" seasons. The other years, he finished either 6-10 or 7-9. When he was fired during his last season, he was at 5-7 but for all we know he could have went 5-11.

I'm still skeptical of Ron because I don't think he is this savior for this franchise like so many people thought, but I am willing to trust him for a few seasons to see if he can succeed where everyone else has failed.

But I also don't like seeing so many ex Panthers hired. At times it seems like we are the Washington Football Panthers. I would rather see them go a new way with a fresh face as GM instead of always getting re-tread, fired guys to come here.[/quote]

It's normal for coaches to bring in guys they are familiar with, who know their philosophy, etc. Happens everywhere - in every sport - at every level.

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It's ok to be skeptical. I like what I'm seeing so far, but we're only in the division race because Dak got hurt and Wentz forgot how to play QB. We'll see what happens moving forward, but this organization is definitely in better hands than it was last year.

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[QUOTE=Chief X_Phackter;1271168]It's ok to be skeptical. I like what I'm seeing so far, but we're only in the division race because Dak got hurt and Wentz forgot how to play QB. We'll see what happens moving forward, but this organization is definitely in better hands than it was last year.[/QUOTE]


Not sure I agree with that. Dallas wasn’t playing well before Dak got hurt - they should have lost to Atlanta early on but for the falcons desire to lose in the most improbable ways, for example. The eagles have lost talent on both sides of the ball and have a dreadful OL now. I don’t think we are lagging in talent relative to other teams in our division any more. We’ve gotten better and they’ve fallen off.


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This is interesting...

[b]Report: Kyle Smith pleaded with Daniel Snyder to not take Haskins during draft[/b]

[URL]https://www.radio.com/thefandc/sports/washington-football-team/smith-pleaded-with-snyder-to-not-take-haskins-during-draft [/URL]

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This report about Kyle Smith vehemently opposing the Dwayne Haskins draft pick lays the WORST DRAFT BUST EVER firmly at the feet of Dan Snyder.

Let’s hope that Snyder just signs the checks and stays out of personnel decisions if he remains as owner.

When we’re bored some month in the off-season we can make an incredibly long, painfully bad list of players selected personally by Daniel Snyder. It has taken him 20 years of failure to finally understand that he isn’t a football genius.

I hope we keep Kyle Smith. I will be very disappointed if Rivera let’s Kyle go elsewhere.


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[quote=kct1975;1271217]This is interesting...

[b]Report: Kyle Smith pleaded with Daniel Snyder to not take Haskins during draft[/b]

[URL]https://www.radio.com/thefandc/sports/washington-football-team/smith-pleaded-with-snyder-to-not-take-haskins-during-draft [/URL]

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Just for the this incident, Danny should promote Kyle and fucking listen. He should also apologize to Smith for being an idiot.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1271257]Just for the this incident, Danny should promote Kyle and fucking listen. He should also apologize to Smith for being an idiot.[/quote]

His big ego and wallet over compensate too much for his small brain and d!€k. Loser.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1271257]Just for the this incident, Danny should promote Kyle and fucking listen. He should also apologize to Smith for being an idiot.[/QUOTE]


Rivera is the key. He will make the decision about who will be the GM.

It doesn’t matter how great or bad Rivera was during his HC time with the Panthers. Belichek sucked as the HC for Cleveland but turned it completely around with the Patriots. It’s learning from your mistakes, correctly evaluating players and coaches and getting a GM that are the keys as an NFL HC.

Rivera has taken a bad team, with a very bad QB and perhaps will win the NFC East. He didn’t go all in for FA but INSTEAD signed lots of cheap one year deals to get guys who had to prove themselves to the team. It’s worked great so far. Next year the team has A LOT of cap money for FA. Rivera will attract players who want to be with a winner, instead of simply looking to get paid.

The CRITICAL FACTOR for Rivera as the HC for the next five years is who the WFT chooses as the QB in 2021. I think the team will keep Alex Smith as the bridge Qb if he wants to play another season . I think they’ll keep Allen or Heinickle - with my bet going with Heinickle. BUT critically I think the team will go for the gold, trade up SOME (5-10 spots) and draft for the Franchise QB of the future in 2021. They need a QB with the “it” factor, who has excellent mobility, accuracy and decision-making.

Kyle Smith seems to be an excellent judge of talent. I think if Rivera evaluates all the actual draft / UDFA / FA decisions that Kyle was allowed to make over the last 3 years (not Dan Snyder / Bruce Allen), he might show a very good “hit” record. Only the team knows what decisions were left up to Kyle Smith or where he greatly influenced the choice. I suspect Kyle was thrown the very lowest draft and maybe all the UDFA choices starting in 2018 (maybe before) to see what he could do. We’ve seen starters come from UDFA or very low draft picks. Holcomb, Curl, Harmon were low draft picks and Steve & Cam Sims were UDFA probably picked or greatly influenced by Kyle. He might have received more input for higher draft picks as his success increased. But as of two years ago it was SNYDER making the calls on the top draft choice. How far down the draft did the owner make the choices before 2020?

Other very talented people have left this franchise because of better opportunities elsewhere - McVay , Shannihan are the biggest example. I hope that Kyle Smith isn’t the next one to go winning somewhere else because the team didn’t promote him!


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[quote=Warthog;1271260]Rivera is the key. He will make the decision about who will be the GM.

It doesn’t matter how great or bad Rivera was during his HC time with the Panthers. Belichek sucked as the HC for Cleveland but turned it completely around with the Patriots. It’s learning from your mistakes, correctly evaluating players and coaches and getting a GM that are the keys as an NFL HC.

Rivera has taken a bad team, with a very bad QB and perhaps will win the NFC East. He didn’t go all in for FA but INSTEAD signed lots of cheap one year deals to get guys who had to prove themselves to the team. It’s worked great so far. Next year the team has A LOT of cap money for FA. Rivera will attract players who want to be with a winner, instead of simply looking to get paid.

The CRITICAL FACTOR for Rivera as the HC for the next five years is who the WFT chooses as the QB in 2021. I think the team will keep Alex Smith as the bridge Qb if he wants to play another season . I think they’ll keep Allen or Heinickle - with my bet going with Heinickle. BUT critically I think the team will go for the gold, trade up SOME (5-10 spots) and draft for the Franchise QB of the future in 2021. They need a QB with the “it” factor, who has excellent mobility, accuracy and decision-making.

Kyle Smith seems to be an excellent judge of talent. I think if Rivera evaluates all the actual draft / UDFA / FA decisions that Kyle was allowed to make over the last 3 years (not Dan Snyder / Bruce Allen), he might show a very good “hit” record. Only the team knows what decisions were left up to Kyle Smith or where he greatly influenced the choice. I suspect Kyle was thrown the very lowest draft and maybe all the UDFA choices starting in 2018 (maybe before) to see what he could do. We’ve seen starters come from UDFA or very low draft picks. Holcomb, Curl, Harmon were low draft picks and Steve & Cam Sims were UDFA probably picked or greatly influenced by Kyle. He might have received more input for higher draft picks as his success increased. But as of two years ago it was SNYDER making the calls on the top draft choice. How far down the draft did the owner make the choices before 2020?

Other very talented people have left this franchise because of better opportunities elsewhere - McVay , Shannihan are the biggest example. I hope that Kyle Smith isn’t the next one to go winning somewhere else because the team didn’t promote him!


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According to Keim Smith has been in charge of the last 3 drafts. I will give most of the credit to Smith for drafting and FA, Ron for coaching and motivating the players. The quality of players found by Smith in 3 years is probably tops in the NFL. If there's one Achilles heel for Smith, it has been his 4th rounders (Love, Apke, Charles, AGG, Martin) the jury is still out on 4 of the 5, Apke will be gone.

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“When (Haskins) got here, we had conversations and then — all of a sudden — I haven’t spoken to him all this year,” Theismann told 106.7 The Fan's Grant Paulsen. “I did reach out at different times just to see how he was doing, (to) send my best to him and wish him luck and I never really got a response and so I just figured he was going to go on and do what he wanted to do and (I’d) leave him alone.“

“I’m not going to badger him,” Theismann added.
[url]https://www.radio.com/thefandc/sports/washington-football-team/haskins-hasnt-returned-joe-theismanns-calls-all-year[/url]

Couldnt resist

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Wow, dude is a straight up ass clown ALL ABOUT ME guy