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[quote=mooby;1272166][url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-all-rookie-team-chargers-justin-herbert-qb-vikings-justin-jefferson-washington-chase-young[/url]

Kam Curl and Chase Young made PFF's All-Rookie team, Kam Curl was the highest graded safety too despite only starting since week 9.

Got damn, I just can't see a scenario where we don't get rid of Landon Collins this offseason.[/quote]

Curl loses a leg in a freak farming accident this February.

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Fletcher Cox to Ely: We don't like you either

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[quote=Chico23231;1272101]I think if we get down big in first half, then it’s plan b for Heineken comes in[/quote]

Yea I'm more concerned with if he's 100% or not. We've unfortunately seen a not 100% Alex the past two games and it's been tough. I worry he at that point doesn't give us the best chance... almost even with an unproven guy like.Heinekin

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I think you let Smith start and finish the game. He's earned it. It doesn't matter who QB's the team, we are not beating the Bucs.

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Jeez the Giants and their fans today, just crying like 2 year old babies. Shut up already and win more games.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1272178]I think you let Smith start and finish the game. He's earned it. It doesn't matter who QB's the team, we are not beating the Bucs.[/QUOTE]


I didn’t see us beating Pittsburgh either but I agree with u. I think we’ll get to Tom some but overall their defense will shut us down. They should win by 10 or so

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[QUOTE=MTK;1271998]Do you really think it matters who starts this weekend?[/QUOTE]



Do I really think it matters if a healthy quarterback starts for us this weekend to give our defense a chance to win the game? Absolutely.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1272179]Jeez the Giants and their fans today, just crying like 2 year old babies. Shut up already and win more games.[/quote]

This.

Yes, benching Hurt for Sunfeld in a 3 points game early in the 4th was strange and not really trying to win this game... But can they stop acting like this D wasn't making stop after stop after stop and play after play after play and hadn't just stuffed them on a 4th down attempt following the first Alex INT ?!

I just rewatched the game. With a 3 points lead and the way this D was playing, we were most likely winning this game any way.

They didn't score one point on us in the second half, and their first TD drive was a gift from the refs + a missed tackle from Reaves. Let's not act like benching Sunfeld completely turned things around, it helped us secure a win we most likely were getting anyway !

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[quote=punch it in;1272171]
These same Giants fans were upset when they beat the Redskins in a useless game and couldn’t draft Chase Young[/quote]



Nope,...............

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1272189]This.

Yes, benching Hurt for Sunfeld in a 3 points game early in the 4th was strange and not really trying to win this game... [/quote]
What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.

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[quote=Giantone;1272191]What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.[/quote]

No I agree they were not trying to win the game (which was meaningless to them), I just don't like the narrative that it was some sort of sure thing they'd had won if they had tried. They were trailing in a game in which their offense couldn't move the ball in the second half.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1272191]What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.[/QUOTE]RR went for the win instead of tie in the first Giants game. And Pederson is known for going for the contrarian action. He goes for the most 4th downs of any coach in the league, so if he gets a TD on that 4th down he would have taken the lead with our offense also struggling.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1272193]RR went for the win instead of tie in the first Giants game. And Pederson is known for going for the contrarian action. He goes for the most 4th downs of any coach in the league.

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Yeah I remember the announcers saying the analytics say go for it in this situation... but the analytics don't factor in context. Because this 4th and 4 with this offense against this defense in this game doesn't look too good to me. If I'm an Eagles fan and I want my team to win the game I'm mad in this situation.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1272193]RR went for the win instead of tie in the first Giants game. And Pederson is known for going for the contrarian action. He goes for the most 4th downs of any coach in the league, so if he gets a TD on that 4th down he would have taken the lead with our offense also struggling.

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Plus. With our offense not really doing anything they either score 7 there, or pin us back in a game he re we weremt moving theg ball
That made total sense to me

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1272194]Yeah I remember the announcers saying the analytics say go for it in this situation... but the analytics don't factor in context. Because this 4th and 4 with this offense against this defense in this game doesn't look too good to me. If I'm an Eagles fan and I want my team to win the game I'm mad in this situation.[/QUOTE]Most WFT fans were mad with RR, my point is with about 15 minutes left Pederson was trying to win by getting a knockout punch on our goalline. When he swung and missed he pulled the qb who had a 45 qbr was 7 for 20, and just failed to score from the 15 yd line. For the people who are whining, him replacing Hurts is very characteristic of Pederson's coaching.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1272190]Nope,...............[/QUOTE]



I didn’t say you. I said Giant fans. I live here. So yes. Yes they were.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1272191]What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.[/QUOTE]



Ron Rivera? Oh wait that was us not kicking an extra point to tie it when we had 100 percent of the momentum......
How is it any different for us not to tie the game then? Didn’t hear any accusations though because it benefited your team.

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Listen G one. If the situation was reversed every one of us would be saying what you are and you would be saying what we all are. That goes for every Giants fan and every WFT fan. BUT...big BUT ... it did not. So you all have to watch the playoffs without your team in it and at the end of the day you should have won another game.
Not that keeping hurts in or kicking a fg to tie it would have meant you wouldn’t be watching still...

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[quote=punch it in;1272198]Ron Rivera? Oh wait that was us not kicking an extra point to tie it when we had 100 percent of the momentum......
How is it any different for us not to tie the game then? Didn’t hear any accusations though because it benefited your team.[/quote]

First I'm not jumping on anything Washington has done. I said before I like RR and thought you guys deserved what you earned . Seems many have a hard time taking the Giants out of the equation. Maybe this might help.

[url]https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/doug-pederson-eagles-tank-jason-kelce-jalen-hurts-nate-sudfeld-joe-judge-20210104.html[/url]


When Doug Pederson pulled Jalen Hurts for Nate Sudfeld early in the fourth quarter in Sunday’s season finale against Washington, many Eagles players and coaches were shocked and outraged, team sources told The Inquirer.

Some were angry. Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.

Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.

The NBC broadcast caught Hurts on the bench after he was replaced apparently saying, “That’s not right.”

“As a competitor, I play to win,” Hurts said after the game when asked for his reaction. “You have to trust [Pederson’s plan].”

In many cases, Eagles players and assistants had no inclination that Sudfeld was part of the offensive game plan, and if they did, they figured it had been abandoned because of the tight score.

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[quote=punch it in;1272203]Listen G one. If the situation was reversed every one of us would be saying what you are and you would be saying what we all are. That goes for every Giants fan and every WFT fan. BUT...big BUT ... it did not. So you all have to watch the playoffs without your team in it and at the end of the day you should have won another game.[/quote]

Simple fact if the Giants wanted to be in the playoffs they should have won more games but this isn't about the Giants ,it's about Pederson the Coach of the Eagles and the credibility problem he has just created for the NFL and the integrity of the game.

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Lol G1...

10 losses, the Giants didn’t deserve to make the playoffs in any scenario

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People around the league like to cry about the integrity of the game when it suits them. Benching starters when you have the division wrapped up is ok but making a QB change during an equally meaningless game isn't? Just stop.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1272206]Simple fact if the Giants wanted to be in the playoffs they should have won more games but this isn't about the Giants ,it's about Pederson the Coach of the Eagles and the credibility problem he has just created for the NFL and the integrity of the game.[/QUOTE]



Idk man tanking happens in many ways. Usually it is more subtle like players being scratched and they call it a look see for next year. So when it comes down to a team playing a meaningless game they can do whatever they want. Only thing imo that would effect the integrity of a game is if the coach had a bet in.

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[quote=Giantone;1272206]Simple fact if the Giants wanted to be in the playoffs they should have won more games but this isn't about the Giants ,[B]it's about Pederson the Coach of the Eagles and the credibility problem he has just created for the NFL and the integrity of the game[/B].[/quote]


I think this is way overblown

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[quote=GridIron26;1272211]I think this is way overblown[/quote]

It will be a non story in another day or two

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I think a player refusing to play for a certain team out of college is way worse for the integrity of the game than when a team isn’t interested in winning a meaningless game. Like Eli Manning for example. That shit shouldn’t be allowed.

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[quote=Giantone;1272205]First I'm not jumping on anything Washington has done. I said before I like RR and thought you guys deserved what you earned . Seems many have a hard time taking the Giants out of the equation. Maybe this might help.

[url]https://www.inquirer.com/eagles/doug-pederson-eagles-tank-jason-kelce-jalen-hurts-nate-sudfeld-joe-judge-20210104.html[/url]


When Doug Pederson pulled Jalen Hurts for Nate Sudfeld early in the fourth quarter in Sunday’s season finale against Washington, many Eagles players and coaches were shocked and outraged, team sources told The Inquirer.

Some were angry. Two defensive players had to be held back from approaching Pederson. Center Jason Kelce and another offensive starter went to the coach to ask him why he had pulled the starting quarterback with the Eagles trailing by only three.

Hurts was distraught, as well. Even though he had been told Wednesday that there was a chance Sudfeld could play, he couldn’t understand why Pederson would make the switch, sources close to the situation said.

The NBC broadcast caught Hurts on the bench after he was replaced apparently saying, “That’s not right.”

“As a competitor, I play to win,” Hurts said after the game when asked for his reaction. “You have to trust [Pederson’s plan].”

In many cases, Eagles players and assistants had no inclination that Sudfeld was part of the offensive game plan, and if they did, they figured it had been abandoned because of the tight score.[/quote]

Lets keep this in perspective they didn't pull a hot Aaron Rogers in the fourth quarter.

Jalen was 7/20 for 72 yards and a 1 int. 34 yards rushing, albeit two TD's rushing.

We all said it here the first drive the Eagles scored on was a complete gift from the refs; it was penalty after penalty keeping that drive alive. So basically the one drive that got the Eagles to 14 was legit.

Jalen Hurts wasn't keeping the Eagles in the game our poor offensive play was keeping the Eagles in. Eagles don't win with Jalen or Sudfeld.

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[quote=MTK;1272208]People around the league like to cry about the integrity of the game when it suits them. Benching starters when you have the division wrapped up is ok but making a QB change during an equally meaningless game isn't? Just stop.[/quote]

Yeah, I was on that boat for a minute myself. However, after taking a step back and looking at all the circumstances, I think all the outrage is pretty unwarranted.

Fact is, Hurts was not playing very well. Yes, he had those two TDs from scrambling, but the WFT D locked him down in the second half. He failed to score after getting the ball at the 15. Sudfeld has been in that offense for like three years, and apparently the plan was to get him some time anyway. So for me, while the scenario isn't exactly the same as what we're used to - teams resting starters during week 17 in a meaningless game (for them), it was not all that different either. It just looked weird. In the end, Hurts managed to take his team a total of 48 yards in three second half drives. He wasn't effective. So this notion that the Eagles would have won if they had just let him finish the game is flawed.

On to Tampa.

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[quote=Giantone;1272191]What do you call a coach who goes for it on 4th and goal when a field goal would tie it ,..............in a three point game.[/quote]

You're kidding, right? This happens a lot. Underdog team going for it on 4th and goal from the 4 to take the lead. In fact, PHI did it all year. As did other teams. Going for it on 4th down is no longer a rarity. I can tell you I was very nervous that they were going for it. It was the third quarter. Whether tied or down 3, the team would have to score more to win. WFT wasn't really moving the ball all that well, the rain was getting worse by the minute, and worst case if you fail to score on 4th down, you've got WFT pinned at their own 4 with a one-legged QB. Whiny Giants fans and NY-centric media are making way too much out of that decision. In complete hindsight, no less. It just wasn't all that unusual, or even really that poor of a decision.

I think that a coach failing to challenge a questionable completion that allows the opponent to attempt a field goal to force the need for a TD rather than a FG is a much worse coaching decision. Much worse, and it isn't close. Potentially saving the time out didn't matter nearly as much as preventing that FG attempt in that situation.

Coaches are going to make decisions that you wouldn't make. Nothing new about that.

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Pederson might be the most aggressive 4th down coach in league history, the call to go for it instead of tying the game was right up his alley.

And idc about the hubbub of him pulling Hurts when he said during the week that was the plan. It wasn't some surprise like people are making it out to be.

I loved Rivera's response when asked about it too.

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[quote=Chico23231;1272207]Lol G1...

10 losses, the Giants didn’t deserve to make the playoffs in any scenario[/quote]

I agree with you and said so,LOL, .............but 9 is?

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[quote=mooby;1272261]Pederson might be the most aggressive 4th down coach in league history, the call to go for it instead of tying the game was right up his alley.

And idc about the hubbub of him pulling Hurts when he said during the week that was the plan. It wasn't some surprise like people are making it out to be.

I loved Rivera's response when asked about it too.[/quote]

And it was pointed out this year very unsuccessful at it .

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[quote=punch it in;1272216]I think a player refusing to play for a certain team out of college is way worse for the integrity of the game than when a team isn’t interested in winning a meaningless game. Like Eli Manning for example. That shit shouldn’t be allowed.[/quote]

Ok if Elway does it right? To try and equate the two is crazy.

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[quote=Giantone;1272269]I agree with you and said so,LOL, .............but 9 is?[/quote]

This year it does

Move along bro you've lost this battle

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[quote=MTK;1272275]This year it does

Move along bro you've lost this battle[/quote]

LOL, what battle? I haven't lost a thing.

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[quote=Giantone;1272278]LOL, what battle? I haven't lost a thing.[/quote]

The division, this discussion, big fat L's son

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1272274]Ok if Elway does it right? To try and equate the two is crazy.[/QUOTE]



Who said it was ok if Elway does it? And it isn’t crazy. The worst team drafts first for a reason, and when who they deem the best player refuses to play for them - and is allowed to do it - that ruins the integrity of the game.