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Firing Marty was definitely the single biggest mistake Snyder has made. Marty could have set the franchise on a completely different course and perhaps those other mistakes like Haynesworth, McNabb, and Bruce Allen never happen. Of course maybe Gibbs 2.0 never happens too.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1277167]Raven's might be shopping Zeus, Jr this offseason. The price might be steep though.[/quote]

Probably have to trade the no. 19 and maybe more .. then sign him to a top 10 LT contract.

I dont know. I want to upgrade LT .. but at that cost?

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[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents[/url]

PFF top 150 free agents list with anticipated contracts and destinations.

Seems to be the most thorough list.

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Ha, the 49ers just hired Leonard Hankerson as a WR Quality Control Coach.

Is he qualified for that? He certainly lacked QC when he was a player.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277213]Probably have to trade the no. 19 and maybe more .. then sign him to a top 10 LT contract.

I dont know. I want to upgrade LT .. but at that cost?

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[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents[/url]

PFF top 150 free agents list with anticipated contracts and destinations.

Seems to be the most thorough list.[/quote]

That would be too steep for me. I would do this years second. We would need to resign him to top 10 LT even though right now he is not playing like one. He has potential and name recognition that will drive the cost

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Darby wants to remain in DC. More praise for Ron (and Del Rio too)...

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ronald-darby-will-hope-and-pray-hes-back-washington-2021[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1277238]Darby wants to remain in DC. More praise for Ron (and Del Rio too)...

[url]https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/ronald-darby-will-hope-and-pray-hes-back-washington-2021[/url][/quote]

His family is all here ,it's a safe bet he would give a hometown discount to stay.

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[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210214/a6303c3957b5a0277260eacd4abb9edf.jpg[/IMG]
Got a cool gift today from a friend.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277369][IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210214/a6303c3957b5a0277260eacd4abb9edf.jpg[/IMG]
Got a cool gift today from a friend.[/quote]

It looks clean so it must have been game worn.

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[quote=SunnySide;1277213]Probably have to trade the no. 19 and maybe more .. then sign him to a top 10 LT contract.

I dont know. I want to upgrade LT .. but at that cost?

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[url]https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2021-free-agency-top-100-free-agents[/url]

PFF top 150 free agents list with anticipated contracts and destinations.

Seems to be the most thorough list.[/quote]

Draft a LT at #19.
Goodness, all this trade absurdity.
You overpay when you trade.
Draft a LT at #19.
A QB you like with 2nd round pick.
A CB with 3rd.
A FS with 3rd.
Sign a stud WR in FA and resign Scherff, and Darby only if price is right.

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[quote=MTK;1277207]Firing Marty was definitely the single biggest mistake Snyder has made. Marty could have set the franchise on a completely different course and perhaps those other mistakes like Haynesworth, McNabb, and Bruce Allen never happen. Of course maybe Gibbs 2.0 never happens too.[/quote]

That's like a time travel paradox. Snyder fired Marty precisely because he told Snyder he knew nothing about football and that his harebrained ideas would fail. Snyder wanted to ego trip of making the decisions, and that is why Marty had to go. Marty would not have stood for Allen ever. Marty was going to get you to playoffs year after year, but not the SB. In the end, we'll never win a SB as long as Snyder owns the team. EVER.

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Too bad we didn't get to see what Marty could have done here.

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[URL="https://thekevinsheehanshow.com/2021/02/13/jay-gruden/"]Jay Gruden 1 hour one on one w/ Sheehan[/URL] is a must listen IMO

Some key insights and confirmations of how dysfunctional this organisation was...

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The explanation about Kirk kneeling instead of spiking is sad AF. Basically Jay wanted to throw a back shoulder fade to PG but Garçon hated that throw so he said "I ain't running it" in the huddle, and DeSean wanted them to kick the FG, so Kirk panicked and took a knee...

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[QUOTE=FrenchSkin;1277386]The explanation about Kirk kneeling instead of spiking is sad AF. Basically Jay wanted to throw a back shoulder fade to PG but Garçon hated that throw so he said "I ain't running it" in the huddle, and DeSean wanted them to kick the FG, so Kirk panicked and took a knee...[/QUOTE]Wow. I love PG but that is just a sad statement on many levels.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277392]Wow. I love PG but that is just a sad statement on many levels.

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If that's actually true, he should have been cut from the team after the game. That's horseshit and he was my favorite player while he was here.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1277393]If that's actually true, he should have been cut from the team after the game. That's horseshit and he was my favorite player while he was here.[/QUOTE]Clearly Gruden had no respect from many of the players in terms of being HC. I can't imagine a player refusing a play call in that situation.

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1277393]If that's actually true, he should have been cut from the team after the game. That's horseshit and he was my favorite player while he was here.[/QUOTE]You guys should listen to the pod... Jay said he loved Pierre and DeSean's talent and Pierre was one of the most consistently hard working players he ever met... but they were pains in the ass to Kirk and always jealous of whoever was getting the ball and never wanted to run block and all... said they deserved a podcast episode by themselves...

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1277395]You guys should listen to the pod... Jay said he loved Pierre and DeSean's talent and Pierre was one of the most consistently hard working players he ever met... but they were pains in the ass to Kirk and always jealous of whoever was getting the ball and never wanted to run block and all... said they deserved a podcast episode by themselves...

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I tried listening to the pod but Jay's voice isn't clear on the phone, I had a hard time following what he was saying sometimes. Hopefully waiting for a writer to listen to it and type up an article about it.

Sad to hear about PG/DS/KC though. These are the stories I'd like to hear more of.

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Alex Smith is coming back per ESPNs Jeremy Fowler....

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[quote=mooby;1277397]I tried listening to the pod but Jay's voice isn't clear on the phone, I had a hard time following what he was saying sometimes. Hopefully waiting for a writer to listen to it and type up an article about it.

Sad to hear about PG/DS/KC though. These are the stories I'd like to hear more of.[/quote]

Might depend on what you listen to it on, I didn't have any issue.

Yeah it's a rare situation to have the former HC of your team speak so freely... He seemed to have accepted he's not getting another HC job and want to try and get an announcer gig.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1277371]It looks clean so it must have been game worn.[/QUOTE]


Lmao

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1273551]Not to mention only one NFL quality receiver, only one real Tight end...not sure where some people’s expectations of a top 10 or so offense came from. We are very talent deficient there and with a revolving door at QB on top of that, it’s almost impossible to be consistent, let alone really good.[/quote]

Yup. And we got TORCHED in the secondary all year long. I don't like Darby, he looks good on paper but gets beat way too much. I like Fuller in slot, but we need 2 starting CBs and a safety, and have no one special anywhere at LB.

If McL or Thomas goes down, we have NOTHING behind them. Best case scenario is one of the 27 underachieving WRs on roster becomes a #2, but we can't count on that. I also saw our OL getting blown up by pass rushers all year, including Scherff.

We beat ONE winning team all year. ONE.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277398]Alex Smith is coming back per ESPNs Jeremy Fowler....[/quote]

Fuck that!

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[quote=mredskins;1277412]Fuck that![/quote]

Well he thinks he is....... if we cut him he may retire.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277398]Alex Smith is coming back per ESPNs Jeremy Fowler....[/quote]

He needs to be aware of the fact that he is not going to get a starting job ANYWHERE in the NFL now, so if he wants to come back to WFT it would have to be as a mentor/coach/backup on a substantially lower salary. If we trade for a veteran, even Mariota :doh:, he will be out of here.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1277415]He needs to be aware of the fact that he is not going to get a starting job ANYWHERE in the NFL now, so if he wants to come back to WFT it would have to be as a mentor/coach/backup on a substantially lower salary. If we trade for a veteran, even Mariota :doh:, he will be out of here.[/quote]

I feel like we're going with the unnecessarily harsh "you ain't shit, GTFO" move here, when in reality it will be a respectful exchange.

Here's the convo:

Alex: Ron, I want to keep playing. I know I can do this.

Ron: Alex, I respect the hell out of you because you went through a river of shit and came out clean on the other side, but we can't have you back at your salary, and we want to get younger at qb. It's not smart to rely on a 37 year old qb with an injury history as your #1 option in this game.

Alex: Ron, I disagree but I respect you for being upfront about it.

Ron: Alex, we're gonna let you go, but:

(option A)if you can't find a starting job somewhere else we'd be happy to have you back as a backup, on a backup's salary.

(option B) I know with your work ethic teams will be calling, and I'll put in a good word for you if you need it. Good luck.

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Chris Polian is being hired as WFT’s Director of Pro Personnel.

Rap sheet

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277398]Alex Smith is coming back per ESPNs Jeremy Fowler....[/quote]

Good news to me.

Now draft a LT at #19,our next QB to mentor in Round 2, then get him some elite WR weapons in FA. We can buy a stud MLB too.

No need to spend our whole cap on a QB.

We're NOT getting Watson, Prescott or Carr for a good price, so the other options are really no better than a healthy Alex Smith, Taylor Heinicke or 2nd-Round pick. Build around our QBs. Smith was 5-1 with ONE wide receiver and a backup O-Line that never had a stud LT. He'll be even better with some talent around him and time to throw. His arm and high IQ are still there.

No to Wentz, Trubisky, Mariota, Newton, Winston, Brissett. McCarron, Fitzpatrick, Taylor, Dalton, McCoy, RG3, Barkley, Sudfeld, Flacco. Ryan Griffin, CJ Bethard. Gabbert, Geno Smith, Glennon, Hoter, Hundley. Mannion, Dobbs, Mullens, Boyle.

That's the full list of FA option s left.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1277417]Chris Polian is being hired as WFT’s Director of Pro Personnel.

Rap sheet[/quote]

Seems like too many cooks? I don't know much about him, just the quick scan that he also has been a GM before, and that he was in the Colts FO for most of PManning's run, culminating with leaving the season after Manning retired.

Hard to know how much his ability played in to the Colts success, but 6years with the Jaguars doesn't inspire much confidence.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277421]Seems like too many cooks? I don't know much about him, just the quick scan that he also has been a GM before, and that he was in the Colts FO for most of PManning's run, culminating with leaving the season after Manning retired.

Hard to know how much his ability played in to the Colts success, [B]but 6years with the Jaguars doesn't inspire much confidence[/B].[/quote]

Actually, as Director of Pro Personnel in JAX, it looks like he did very well. They seem to have laid an egg this past season, after he was gone.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1277420]Good news to me.

Now draft a LT at #19,our next QB to mentor in Round 2, then get him some elite WR weapons in FA. We can buy a stud MLB too.

No need to spend our whole cap on a QB.

We're NOT getting Watson, Prescott or Carr for a good price, so the other options are really no better than a healthy Alex Smith, Taylor Heinicke or 2nd-Round pick. Build around our QBs. Smith was 5-1 with ONE wide receiver and a backup O-Line that never had a stud LT. He'll be even better with some talent around him and time to throw. His arm and high IQ are still there.

No to Wentz, Trubisky, Mariota, Newton, Winston, Brissett. McCarron, Fitzpatrick, Taylor, Dalton, McCoy, RG3, Barkley, Sudfeld, Flacco. Ryan Griffin, CJ Bethard. Gabbert, Geno Smith, Glennon, Hoter, Hundley. Mannion, Dobbs, Mullens, Boyle.

That's the full list of FA option s left.[/quote]

Smith is not an option. If he plays this season, he won't be available very long because he will be injured in short order. Frankly, I think he is acting like a fool to try to play in 2021. He did the impossible and came all the way back but it's time for him to move on to another challenge.

As far as WFT is concerned, he can no longer give us what we need at QB. We can't run the type of offense we would prefer due to his immobility. We can forget RPO's and any other planned QB runs. He can no longer escape when the pass protection breaks down, and so forth.

Most of all, his willingness to expose himself to the possibility of another devastating injury to his right leg seems to me to be unwise and unfair to his family.

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[url]https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/jax/[/url]

They had one winning season, and finished 3rd or 4th every other year, with no more than 6 wins.

Edit: That said, WFT now has the GM responsible for drafting Matt Stafford, Cam Newton. And director of pro scouting who was responsible for drafting Peyton Manning.

If these guys can't make the right decision when it comes to our qb then I don't know what resume you need...

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[quote=mooby;1277416]I feel like we're going with the unnecessarily harsh "you ain't shit, GTFO" move here, when in reality it will be a respectful exchange.

Here's the convo:

Alex: Ron, I want to keep playing. I know I can do this.

Ron: Alex, I respect the hell out of you because you went through a river of shit and came out clean on the other side, but we can't have you back at your salary, and we want to get younger at qb. It's not smart to rely on a 37 year old qb with an injury history as your #1 option in this game.

Alex: Ron, I disagree but I respect you for being upfront about it.

Ron: Alex, we're gonna let you go, but:

(option A)if you can't find a starting job somewhere else we'd be happy to have you back as a backup, on a backup's salary.

(option B) I know with your work ethic teams will be calling, and I'll put in a good word for you if you need it. Good luck.[/quote]

I was commenting on the fact that he is/should be smart enough to realize his situation and loves football so much he just wants to keep on going. Regardless the guy is totally class and should be treated with such and I fully expect Ron to do so much in the same way as you suggest.... there is no GTFO

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1277426]
Edit: That said, WFT now has the GM responsible for drafting Matt Stafford, Cam Newton. And director of pro scouting who was responsible for drafting Peyton Manning.

[/quote]
and Andrew Luck.
Their strategy, shit the bed so you get the first overall pick.

Rivera hiring anyone with connections.
Might as well hire Rob Kardashian and Sarah Huckabee.

I'm going to be the first off the Rivera bandwagon. F this guy and he cronies.

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not sure why Smith is coming back. he can't get away from the rush. it's a tough decision but you have to move on.

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[quote=jamf;1277429]and Andrew Luck.
Their strategy, shit the bed so you get the first overall pick.

Rivera hiring anyone with connections.
Might as well hire Rob Kardashian and Sarah Huckabee.

I'm going to be the first off the Rivera bandwagon. F this guy and he cronies.[/quote]

Go ahead and leave now.

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[quote=jamf;1277429]and Andrew Luck.
Their strategy, shit the bed so you get the first overall pick.

Rivera hiring anyone with connections.
Might as well hire Rob Kardashian and Sarah Huckabee.

I'm going to be the first off the Rivera bandwagon. F this guy and he cronies.[/quote]

Goodbye.

Go root for the Rams.

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Johnny Manziel is back on the field.


[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/02/14/johnny-manziel-after-first-game-action-since-2019-win-or-lose-we-booze/?partner=Yahoo[/url]

[img]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2021/02/GettyImages-1302040214-e1613336705339.jpg?resize=560,316[/img]

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[quote=jamf;1277429]and Andrew Luck.
Their strategy, shit the bed so you get the first overall pick.

Rivera hiring anyone with connections.
Might as well hire Rob Kardashian and Sarah Huckabee.

I'm going to be the first off the Rivera bandwagon. F this guy and he cronies.[/quote]

Wow, that was quick. Seems like a good time to jump ship huh?