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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311466]If you had to pick Mitch or TH who are you taking???

That is a close call IMO[/quote]

I can't take another season of TH as a starter. He has heart but everything else is so below average including the very important game IQ

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[quote=MTK;1311473]Seriously, if either of those guys are the week 1 starter I'm finding something better to do with my Sundays.[/quote]

I confess unless it is raining or a prime time I don't watch. The fall and early winter are the best times to be outside on the East Coast can't waste one of my free days indoors.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311474]I'll watch because its week 1 lol [B]but surely we will do better than those 2 guys right[/B]???? For the folks saying "Mitch could be a Tannehill" Yeah I do agree with that but do we really want a game manager again? I want a gunslinger dammit[/quote]

We have to. Ron's job is on the line and he knows it. There has to be a splash.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311466]If you had to pick Mitch or TH who are you taking???

That is a close call IMO[/quote]

Mitch, and not that close to me. Heinicke is a low ceiling player. This year would look just like last year.

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TH or MT will get you similar results. Neither one is good enough, end of story.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311466]If you had to pick Mitch or TH who are you taking???

That is a close call IMO[/quote]

MT all day long.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311474]I'll watch because its week 1 lol but surely we will do better than those 2 guys right???? For the folks saying "Mitch could be a Tannehill" Yeah I do agree with that but do we really want a game manager again? I want a gunslinger dammit[/quote]

How are they going to do better? No one is knocking down the door to come here. The only way they do better is through the draft.

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[URL="https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/02/washington-trying-to-cover-every-base-in-search-for-qb/"]Washington trying to “cover every base” in search for QB[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1311485]How are they going to do better? No one is knocking down the door to come here. The only way they do better is through the draft.[/quote]

Winston would be better than TH or MT

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[quote=MTK;1311488]Winston would be better than TH or MT[/quote]

He would be better than TH for sure. I don't think he would be better than MT.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1311512]He would be better than TH for sure. I don't think he would be better than MT.[/quote]

He went to FSU, he would be better. GO NOLES!!

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1311512]He would be better than TH for sure. I don't think he would be better than MT.[/quote]

Winston is a much better passer than MT will ever be.

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[quote=MTK;1311514]Winston is a much better passer than MT will ever be.[/quote]

That's not what the stats say. Winston has a couple years on Mitch, but that is about the only thing he has on him.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1311516]That's not what the stats say. Winston has a couple years on Mitch, but that is about the only thing he has on him.[/quote]

MT is basically a one read kind of QB, you really have to scheme things up for him and define his reads.

JW was running a pro style offense in college.

I'd take JW all day over MT.

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Gut says Winston goes to Steelers.

Draft a QB at 11 + sign a Trubisky or Winston = most likely result.

Winston led the league in passing yards in 2019 (5,109 yds, 33 TDs). Pro style QB, limited mobility.

Trubisky won 11 games, 7.4 pass yds/att and a 71 QBR in 2018. (Heinike had a 39.9 QBR last year as context)

Hopefully we can get a Winston or Trubisky, they might want to go elsewhere.

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[quote=MTK;1311518]MT is basically a one read kind of QB, you really have to scheme things up for him and define his reads.

JW was running a pro style offense in college.

I'd take JW all day over MT.[/quote]

Also WInston has a cannon and can stretch the field, he's just not mobile at all. MT doesn't have the arm but he has the legs..

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[quote=MTK;1311518]MT is basically a one read kind of QB, you really have to scheme things up for him and define his reads.

JW was running a pro style offense in college.

I'd take JW all day over MT.[/quote]

It's not a no brainer for me, but I think I would prefer MT.

JW was less mobile [B]before[/B] he tore his ACL. He may have a better arm, but I don't think it's significantly better. He's never had a winning season and he turns the ball over too much.

Haven't watched MT play a whole lot, but for his lack of experience (basically one year starting in college) he has fared pretty well. I've seen people say that the Bears' 2018 season was a success because of their defense, but MT did pretty well that season too:

11-3 record
66.6 completion %
3223 passing yards
24 TD/12 INT

That's not too bad for a young inexperienced QB in his 2nd year - taking his team to the playoffs.

Here's PFF's draft profile for him:

[I]Despite being a one-year starter, Trubisky is very polished as a passer playing with good balance and consistent mechanics, which leads him to throw with great accuracy in the short/intermediate passing game. Although he comes from a version of the spread in his college offense, he was asked to do many full field progressions and showed he can click from receiver to receiver quickly and efficiently. Has very good pocket instincts and ability to keep eye level up to see receivers down the field while moving within the pocket. His three-quarters release may lead to more batted balls at the LOS but is likely not a huge issue at the next level. Will need to work on hitting his deep shots with more consistent accuracy to keep defenses from sitting at the break point. Shows all of the tools to develop into a very solid NFL starting quarterback and appears to be the safest option of the 2017 quarterback draft class.[/I]

I think MT has more upside at this point than JW, and is only going to get better.

JW has 77 NFL starts - we know who he is.

MT has 50 NFL starts, and quite honestly has looked like the better QB despite his lack of starting QB experience when he arrived in the NFL.

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Chief, you got that MT Jersey on pre-order? I’m ok with either MT or JW

Just no Jimmy G who is under going shoulder surgery and will not be able to throw until summer. There is no way in hell I want Jimmy G.

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Amazing how not playing a year takes some of the tarnish off a guy. We could have signed MT a year ago on the cheap but instead went with a 38 year old Fitzpatrick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311538][B]Chief, you got that MT Jersey on pre-order?[/B] I’m ok with either MT or JW

Just no Jimmy G who is under going shoulder surgery and will not be able to throw until summer. There is no way in hell I want Jimmy G.[/quote]

HA!

I would be fine with either MT or JW as well. I would just prefer MT if those are the two choices.

[quote=MTK;1311539]Amazing how not playing a year takes some of the tarnish off a guy. We could have signed MT a year ago on the cheap but instead went with a 38 year old Fitzpatrick.[/quote]

Could have signed JW a year ago too, as he was a free agent, but as you said we went with Fitz and paid him twice as much.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1311540]HA!

I would be fine with either MT or JW as well. I would just prefer MT if those are the two choices.



Could have signed JW a year ago too, as he was a free agent, but as you said we went with Fitz and paid him twice as much.[/quote]

Can't blame JW for staying in NO with Payton. This time around is a little different for him.

I'm not advocating for JW, just saying I'd take him over MT, if all other options are off the table.

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[quote=Chico23231;1311538]Chief, you got that MT Jersey on pre-order? I’m ok with either MT or JW

Just no Jimmy G who is under going shoulder surgery and will not be able to throw until summer. There is no way in hell I want Jimmy G.[/quote]

I might have Jimmy G a hair above Trubs or Winston .. but no way if we have to trade for him as well.

Wintson or Trubisky = Im fine with either. Theyre both dark clouds with silver linings. Im starting to think we might not even be able to land either.

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Apparently we inquired about Mahomes. No joke. Why not? 2 second phone call I imagine.

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[quote=SunnySide;1311545]I might have Jimmy G a hair above Trubs or Winston .. but no way if we have to trade for him as well.

Wintson or Trubisky = Im fine with either. Theyre both dark clouds with silver linings. Im starting to think we might not even be able to land either.

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Apparently we inquired about Mahomes. No joke. Why not? 2 second phone call I imagine.

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Good! Leave no stone unturned!

I did hear that the QB search started with 42 QBs on their list - and that they reached out to [U]every[/U] team to inquire about a quarterback’s availability and the cost, and their list consisted of 42 quarterbacks.

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[QUOTE=SunnySide;1311545]I might have Jimmy G a hair above Trubs or Winston .. but no way if we have to trade for him as well.

Wintson or Trubisky = Im fine with either. Theyre both dark clouds with silver linings. Im starting to think we might not even be able to land either.

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Apparently we inquired about Mahomes. No joke. Why not? 2 second phone call I imagine.

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Hey its the Commanders calling about Patrick…

Click

Hello? Hello?

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[quote=punch it in;1311551]Hey its the Commanders calling about Patrick…

Click

Hello? Hello?[/quote]

I’d be more scared about getting a QB from Andy Reid again. The whole time I’d be like what does he know?!

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What are you paying these guys?

These guys want to start and get paid so they will be expecting starter money.

Wentz made $32m last year.
Jimmy G made $28m.

Get the rookie and stack the line.

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[QUOTE=jamf;1311557]What are you paying these guys?

These guys want to start and get paid so they will be expecting starter money.

Wentz made $32m last year.
Jimmy G made $28m.

Get the rookie and stack the line.[/QUOTE]


Yup. Stack the line. Go get a mlb and a safety in free agency and or the draft. Pray that McKissic n LT stay healthy and win a bunch of games.

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[quote=jamf;1311557]What are you paying these guys?

These guys want to start and get paid so they will be expecting starter money.

Wentz made $32m last year.
Jimmy G made $28m.

Get the rookie and stack the line.[/quote]

The biggest mistake we would make is sending a high draft pick for Jimmy G and then signing him to a 20+ mil per year deal. The guy is getting fucking shoulder surgery…on his fucking throwing arm.

We can’t be this fucking stupid…can we?

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You would hope not.

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None of them are worth any where near that kinda money … draft Willis sign a vet backup on the cheap ..

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[quote=Chico23231;1311561]The biggest mistake we would make is sending a high draft pick for Jimmy G and then signing him to a 20+ mil per year deal. The guy is getting fucking shoulder surgery…on his fucking throwing arm.

We can’t be this fucking stupid…can we?[/quote]

Teams can be stupid when it comes to paying QBs (see Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles, etc., etc.)

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[quote=Ruhskins;1311565]Teams can be stupid when it comes to paying QBs (see Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles, etc., etc.)[/quote]

Desperation is a stinky cologne.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1311565]Teams can be stupid when it comes to paying QBs (see Sam Bradford, Kirk Cousins, Nick Foles, etc., etc.)[/quote]

Cousins is better than Foles and Sam tho, he's consistently putting up top 15 numbers. Foles was a 1 hit wonder

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Pete Carroll "we are not trading Russ"

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Smart man … unless they got someone sitting there ready to go .

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1311570]Cousins is better than Foles and Sam tho, he's consistently putting up top 15 numbers. Foles was a 1 hit wonder[/QUOTE]


Yeah night and day

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[URL="https://markbullock.substack.com/p/could-jameis-winston-be-an-option?s=r"]Could Jameis Winston be an option for the Washington Commanders?[/URL]

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Would rather Winston than Mitch and it aint even close. Would rather him than Jimmy G too - especially when u take into account the give back. Im actually intrigued with Winston.

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I can't believe you guys want Winston. This is the guy who threw 30 ints and wants to eat a W... SMH...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1311570]Cousins is better than Foles and Sam tho, he's consistently putting up top 15 numbers. Foles was a 1 hit wonder[/quote]

Say what you want about Foles but he is a SB champion, something Cousins will never be.