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[quote=skinsfan69;1312316]Giving up the picks isn't bad if you are let's say the Rams. We ain't that. We need those to help upgrade a roster w/ a lot of holes.[/quote]

You can upgrade the roster all you want but if you put Heinicke as the Rams starter they don't win 8 games.

Its all about the QB and WC just upgraded.

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[quote=irish;1312409]You can upgrade the roster all you want but if you put Heinicke as the Rams starter they don't win 8 games.

Its all about the QB and WC just upgraded.[/quote]

it becomes a chicken before the egg argument.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312407]I feel way better about going into 2022 with Wentz than I did going into 2021 with Fitz. So for me, it was a good move. The only outcome you can honestly say would have been better - for sure - is if they were able to land Wilson/Watson/Rodgers. They took a big swing for Wilson, Rodgers went back to GB, and Watson is still in legal limbo.

I'm not exactly sure what you debbie downers expect the team to do. They swung for the fence and ended up with a[B] stand-up triple[/B]. I'll take it.[/quote]

I say a blooper single.

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My reaction to Wentz being traded is simple.

He has this season to save his career as an NFL starter.

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What is odd to me is why did the colts give up on him? Especially Frank Reich. I watched the first hard knocks episode last night, that guy loved Carson. They don't have a QB in the wings and we gave them really nothing to solve that issue in the trade.

I can see why the Eagles moved on from him, they had Hurts who they feel is better, fine and that got a 1st round pick for Carson.

Just red flags too me.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312386]Did you watch his last 3 games when the colts needed him the most? He looked like shit, I mean shit!! Noodle arm and really bad decision, he was responsible for the colts blowing 3 games they should have easily won.

Here are some lowlights of our future:

[url]https://youtu.be/uzGGduPwJDA[/url][/quote]

I bet Carson doesn't come to us if he had won that JAX game.

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On passes 20 plus yards down field CW had a 90 Overall grade which was in the top 10 of the league for starting QBs

Taylor H = 56 (Worst among 32 starters)

That is the big leap we will have with Wentz, he can stretch the field and put pressure on those DBs.

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[quote=mredskins;1312414]I bet Carson doesn't come to us if he had won that JAX game.[/quote]

Exactly, he had an awful game and their owner and GM had a knee jerk reaction,

Several Colts players have tweeted that he will be missed..

If you watch hard knocks you will see that dude is always in the film room and is just a likeable dude.

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Actually Wentz and Dak's grades are very similar..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312416]Exactly, he had an awful game and their owner and GM had a knee jerk reaction,

Several Colts players have tweeted that he will be missed..

If you watch hard knocks you will see that dude is always in the film room and is just a likeable dude.[/quote]

I rather be a Commanders fan next year then a Colts fan.

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[quote=mredskins;1312418]I rather be a Commanders fan next year then a Colts fan.[/quote]

For the first time in Carson Wentz career he has a true #1 receiver in their prime & there are no great QB’s without a true #1 receiver.

Carson Wentz is the only QB in NFL history to throw for 4,000 yards in a season w/o a 500 yard WR. With @TheTerry_25, Carson won’t fail! 🔥🔥

E. ACHO

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[quote=mredskins;1312411]I say a blooper single.[/quote]

I think a blooper single would have been the likes of Bridgewater, Dalton, T Taylor, etc

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312420]I think a blooper single would have been the likes of Bridgewater, Dalton, T Taylor, etc[/quote]

Have you returned your Mitch jersey and ordered the new Wentz jersey?

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Ha! I would have been fine with Mitch here if that is what they decided to do.

I don't buy current player jerseys...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1312420]I think a blooper single would have been the likes of Bridgewater, Dalton, T Taylor, etc[/quote]

This.

Wentz was a solid double.

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[quote=MTK;1312424]This.

Wentz was a solid double.[/quote]

Fine but not a stand up triple.

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Ron’s approach to culture and his relationship with players is why I feel much more comfortable with this move. Wentz does have a lot to prove, but can’t deny last year was a nice bounce back season on the field.

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[quote=mredskins;1312413]What is odd to me is why did the colts give up on him? Especially Frank Reich. I watched the first hard knocks episode last night, that guy loved Carson. They don't have a QB in the wings and we gave them really nothing to solve that issue in the trade.

I can see why the Eagles moved on from him, they had Hurts who they feel is better, fine and that got a 1st round pick for Carson.

Just red flags too me.[/quote]

I definitely get the concern about two teams moving on from him.

BUT...

Considering this is going to be the 6th straight season the Colts start opening day with a different QB, maybe it's worth asking what red flags are coming from that organization too.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1312427]I definitely get the concern about two teams moving on from him.



BUT...



Considering this is going to be the 6th straight season the Colts start opening day with a different QB, maybe it's worth asking what red flags are coming from that organization too.[/QUOTE]I bet Reich would have liked one more year of Wentz and not be put in the conundrum they are in at QB now.

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[quote=MTK;1312427]I definitely get the concern about two teams moving on from him.

BUT...

Considering this is going to be the 6th straight season the Colts start opening day with a different QB, maybe it's worth asking what red flags are coming from that organization too.[/quote]

Decent read:

[url]https://www.nj.com/eagles/2022/03/carson-wentz-trade-colts-frank-reich-apologized-to-jim-irsay-who-refused-to-meet-with-the-qb.html[/url]

Jim I is a fucking whack job himself. All the owners are pretty much whack jobs. In that article Wentz even tired to reach out to Jim I to clear the air. I think a sane person would have been like lets try one more year with Carson and get him some WR help, then make a decision in 2024. Nope instead trade him for song and lets go all in on trying to get a Jim G type guy. Maybe its me but not sure jimmy G is much of a upgrade over Carson.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312428]I bet Reich would have liked one more year of Wentz and not be put in the conundrum they are in at QB now.

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100%

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NFL Network this morning reported that it was Irsay that wanted to move on not Ballard.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312428]I bet Reich would have liked one more year of Wentz and not be put in the conundrum they are in at QB now.

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Yeah I think it was mainly Irsay driving this move.

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[quote=Summo;1312431]NFL Network this morning reported that it was Irsay that wanted to move on not Ballard.[/quote]

This makes me feel a lot better. Another owner with a history of dumb calling the shots over the GM who wanted Wentz to stay? Everyone should should feel better about this

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[quote=mredskins;1312429]Decent read:

[url]https://www.nj.com/eagles/2022/03/carson-wentz-trade-colts-frank-reich-apologized-to-jim-irsay-who-refused-to-meet-with-the-qb.html[/url]

Jim I is a fucking whack job himself. All the owners are pretty much whack jobs. In that article Wentz even tired to reach out to Jim I to clear the air. I think a sane person would have been like lets try one more year with Carson and get him some WR help, then make a decision in 2024. Nope instead trade him for song and lets go all in on trying to get a Jim G type guy. Maybe its me but not sure jimmy G is much of a upgrade over Carson.[/quote]

If they want to just have someone hand the ball off 30 times a game Jimmy G can definitely handle that.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1312192]Interesting take from JP:

@JPFinlayNBCS
Wentz threw for 3500 yards on 63 percent passing last year, 27 TDs vs just 7 INTs. Stats look good. But my biggest concern is Indy just traded for him, and now they trade him without a clear upgrade. Something doesnt add up[/quote]

Exactly!!!why would his long time coach drop him despite his 27 7 stats after 1 year?

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[quote=Summo;1312431]NFL Network this morning reported that it was Irsay that wanted to move on not Ballard.[/quote]

See this makes me feel better, Irsay is a fucking idiot.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312435]Exactly!!!why would his long time coach drop him despite his 27 7 stats after 1 year?[/quote]

Irsay

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13 hours in this thread and we are now debating baseball metaphors. I think we are missing spring training collectively.

Was looking at some of Wentz stats from last season. He had five games where his QB rating was below Heinicke's season average. In those games Indy went 2-3. Two of those games came against Jax. Perhaps sometimes a coach just has a players number?

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[quote=MTK;1312434]If they want to just have someone hand the ball off 30 times a game Jimmy G can definitely handle that.[/quote]

Well they have JT, might work.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1312435]Exactly!!!why would his long time coach drop him despite his 27 7 stats after 1 year?[/quote]

Empty stats.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1312438]13 hours in this thread and we are now debating baseball metaphors. I think we are missing spring training collectively.

Was looking at some of Wentz stats from last season. He had five games where his QB rating was below Heinicke's season average. In those games Indy went 2-3. Two of those games came against Jax. Perhaps sometimes a coach just has a players number?[/quote]

I don't think they match up well against JAX.

Shit Tampa and Tom certainly didn't like playing the Commanders.

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[quote=mredskins;1312425]Fine but not a stand up triple.[/quote]

It is if you are Ricky Henderson.

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After a good night sleep and watching that first hard knocks episode I am more excited about this. I think Irsay is a fucking idiot and to blame the Colts collapse solely on Carson is just dumb.

In the end unless we win the draft lottery on a QB no one really much better then Carson is coming here and lets be honest if he was cut from Indy he wasn't picking us.

Honestly instead of focusing on getting a franchise QB through trade/FA the Commanders should go out dumb a ton of money into the best QB scout there is and have him/her find us the next Joe Burrow or that late round Russell Wilson.

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It's not just the Jacksonville game. When you have two teams give up on you in two years that is just a huge huge red flag. You can say it was all Irsay to make your argument but the GM didn't give him an endorsement either. Someone was saying that Ballard told Wentz that he "misses the easy routine plays, he's misses the layups."

I see why Ron did what he did. I understand it, I just don't agree w/ it. Wentz simply isn't a good enough player anymore IMO to warrant the draft capital and the salary. It was an overpay and it was a move of a desperate coach.

One third rounder would have been fair. But if he plays 70% which he most likely will then it's a second. I don't agree w/ that. Too much for a guy who would have been on the street next week.

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[quote=MTK;1312424]This.

Wentz was a solid double.[/quote]

I would say it was a double because the 1st basemen let the ball go through his legs. lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1312445]I would say it was a double because the 1st basemen let the ball go through his legs. lol.[/quote]

That's an error.

Which this wasn't.

LOL

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You're always going to pay a premium in a trade for a QB. Always.

If he hits the street as a free agent your chance of getting him goes down significantly.

Desperate move? Of course it's fucking desperate, are we forgetting what a joke we've been at QB since Kirk left? Couple that with a weak QB class and yeah, of course Ron was desperate to upgrade at QB.

Wentz has a lot to prove this year, if he blows it his starting days are probably done.

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[quote=mredskins;1312437]Irsay[/quote]

Keep telling yourself that.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1312403]Alot of you guys will eat some Wentz crow this year.[/quote]

You seem to be really high on this guy. We all knew Wentz was going to be released but no one on here mentioned picking him up.